So how did you get started in this vision of you walking through the door?
so I
Literally
Was laid up. Like I said, I had no work. I had no clients. I was gonna have to do something
I decided that the thing I had enjoyed in my last job
was
Building internal compliance programs inside of corporations in
In 2010 there were very few lawyers who did that and so I
took that mantle and I became the nuts-and-bolts guy and
that's when I began to learn about this international scourge of bribery and corruption and
realized that what I enjoyed doing I could move from enjoyment to true passion and
so it was it was that journey and
I
Don't know if I would have had the courage to walk through that door if I hadn't been so badly injured
But I don't have to answer that question because I was and so my experience tells me that the universe is out there and
The universe will will be there for you
Whether you call that karma whether you call that a higher power doesn't matter to me. Yeah
You're right
when it comes to
The international corruption and your compliance how those two relate sure so
International anti-corruption is the payment of bribes
generally to get a contract to get
access to work to get something and so
What US businesses are required to do is not pay a bribe to get a contract
It's to level the playing field and give everybody the ability to compete
Based upon the quality of their product or their service and their pricing and I'm a big believer in that
I think that that's a system that works whether you call that capitalism or business whatever you want to call it
I think that's the way you should do business so that people like you and me can compete with the exons of the world
should we choose to and
By leveling that playing field you give businesses a better opportunity to compete
but there's a flip side to that which is and
This we learned from fortunately from 9-eleven whose anniversary we were coming up on
Corruption leads to crime leads to terrorism and there's a direct link to all of that and we've seen that multiple times throughout
the last 20 years where
People who live in truly corrupt
Societies they are frustrated because they can't get ahead
They can't compete on a level playing field like you and I can and so they turn to crime
And then they turn to blowing up things and whether that's terrorism in the United States or whether it's terrorism in their home country
It's just as
horrific