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So how did you get started in this vision of you walking through the door?

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so I

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Literally

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Was laid up. Like I said, I had no work. I had no clients. I was gonna have to do something

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I decided that the thing I had enjoyed in my last job

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was

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Building internal compliance programs inside of corporations in

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In 2010 there were very few lawyers who did that and so I

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took that mantle and I became the nuts-and-bolts guy and

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that's when I began to learn about this international scourge of bribery and corruption and

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realized that what I enjoyed doing I could move from enjoyment to true passion and

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so it was it was that journey and

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I

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Don't know if I would have had the courage to walk through that door if I hadn't been so badly injured

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But I don't have to answer that question because I was and so my experience tells me that the universe is out there and

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The universe will will be there for you

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Whether you call that karma whether you call that a higher power doesn't matter to me. Yeah

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You're right

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when it comes to

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The international corruption and your compliance how those two relate sure so

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International anti-corruption is the payment of bribes

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generally to get a contract to get

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access to work to get something and so

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What US businesses are required to do is not pay a bribe to get a contract

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It's to level the playing field and give everybody the ability to compete

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Based upon the quality of their product or their service and their pricing and I'm a big believer in that

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I think that that's a system that works whether you call that capitalism or business whatever you want to call it

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I think that's the way you should do business so that people like you and me can compete with the exons of the world

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should we choose to and

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By leveling that playing field you give businesses a better opportunity to compete

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but there's a flip side to that which is and

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This we learned from fortunately from 9-eleven whose anniversary we were coming up on

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Corruption leads to crime leads to terrorism and there's a direct link to all of that and we've seen that multiple times throughout

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the last 20 years where

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People who live in truly corrupt

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Societies they are frustrated because they can't get ahead

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They can't compete on a level playing field like you and I can and so they turn to crime

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And then they turn to blowing up things and whether that's terrorism in the United States or whether it's terrorism in their home country

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It's just as

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horrific