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What are some of the biggest challenges you see

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leaders facing today?

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Well, the thing that comes to mind most prominently for me

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is a poem, this is gonna sound rather poetic,

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but it's true, a poem that my grandmother gave me

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by Rudyard Kipling.

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Okay.

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I believe the title of it is If,

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and it's about being a man.

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Okay.

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But the first line is,

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if you can keep your wits about you and those around you

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are losing theirs.

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And I think that's the number one challenge for a leader

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is with all the twists and turns that happen in business

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is trying to remain grounded and thoughtful

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and to respond versus react to challenges in business.

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Yes.

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But that also goes into personally

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because being a leader is like being a parent,

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which you may have experiences with both,

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but there's the commonality in that the kids

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can get frustrated and act out and be angry,

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but you as a leader have to try to remember,

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wait a minute, I'm the leader

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and not let their stress impact you

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such that you lose your cool and start doing it

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saying things you later regret.

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Absolutely.

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I think that I would just say that for leaders

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to not leak their stress to their employees,

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I think employees are also

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desiring more from their employers

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Yes.

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in terms of level of support

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or how much people wanna be bringing themselves to work,

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which I think has many advantages,

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but it's also a challenge for leaders to figure out

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how to support people, but where is the boundary

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or supporting people versus feeling like

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you're having to provide therapy for people

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in the workplace where the focus gets away from the work

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and where's the balance.