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I was like, not yet.

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I don't know if I told you I'm closer now.

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I'm over in New Braunfels now.

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Oh yeah, that's great.

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Yeah, we're almost one city.

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What's that?

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I said I found a new karaoke place that's further south

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so we can maybe meet there.

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We gotta make it happen.

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I know, we talked about, we were so close last time

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and life got so distracted,

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but we gotta make that happen for sure.

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We will.

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So there's no reason not to.

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Any chance you happen to be friends with Mark Stern

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or Chandler Bolt?

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Not Mark Stern.

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Chandler sounds familiar, but no, I don't recognize him.

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I'm gonna get, I'm gonna see if Mark Stern

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can come up, come for that too.

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I don't know Chandler personally.

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He's a friend of a friend

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and he's in the book publishing business.

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He does selfpublishing.com

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and very well known in that space.

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But these are people who are like super fun entrepreneurs

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and Carlos Armiento,

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I can see if I get him there as well.

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But we should make a thing happen.

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Like, you know, I'm just trying to make it happen.

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I get a small thing, of course,

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but like we were gonna do last time and then it's just.

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Yeah, I want entrepreneurship and business to be fun again,

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especially around the posting of content.

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So I've been doing a lot of collaborations

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that are kind of unique.

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to have more fun with business

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because it's been like the Debbie down there sometimes,

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Are you a musician by chance?

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I'm becoming one.

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Becoming one, good.

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Well, I'm not, but like, okay, I'm not a rapper,

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but like I'm going to go record two rap songs

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and one of them is Messy Goddess.

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But so I'm not a rapper, but I'll record some songs.

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I like it.

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No, I get that.

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I'm a closet musician, right?

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So like, I mean, I'm not that closet.

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Not closet, you're the best.

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But I wouldn't go on stage and perform for a bunch of people.

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Like that terrifies me.

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I've been slowly kind of doing that.

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So the reason why I mention it is Vic Wheeler of Flutarian.

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He's got this new podcast.

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and they play a song together.

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I like your exhibition.

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Yeah, it is.

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They're fun to produce.

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He produced a video of my daughter playing the piano

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with him playing the flute and gave it to her on her birthday.

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So, oh man, that makes a dad cry right there.

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Oh my gosh, that's awesome.

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That's really unique.

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He's an Austinite.

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So well, yeah, absolutely.

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So we're gonna be talking about leadership

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and the face of change.

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Probably talking about embracing change

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but also sometimes turning a blind eye to change.

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It can matter too.

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And for those of you who don't know,

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Thea's been on our show now.

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Have you been on here twice?

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No, I was on your show and you came on.

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This is the second time,

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but our relationship and friendship just,

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I don't know how to put it in.

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I was like, oh my gosh, I wanna be your friend for life

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right after we met the first time.

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There's just a lot to your path and what you've done

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where I was like, man, I got so much I can learn from you.

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So we're gonna do that today.

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We're gonna dive into leadership.

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We talked about three resources you recommend last time.

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Let's start with what are three leadership tips

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that are often overlooked specifically by visionaries

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That's juicy.

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From my experience, I'll mind you,

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my background is learning and development as well.

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for C-suite executives.

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Yeah, you're the perfect person to ask this for.

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Thank you for teaming that back up

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so people know the context.

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Yes, you are the one to answer this.

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having a consistent feedback loop

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and not tying feedback specifically always

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to like a performance cycle.

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you get to the performance cycle.

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Like they should know what's coming.

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So I would definitely say like feedback.

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because I was talking more corporate.

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and letting her know how she is doing.

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Somebody commented on a post of mine today.

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the post, you know?

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feedback often and frequently.

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you should already know you're doing a good job.

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You're not fired like so.

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But people need that feedback often.

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Even if they need to do something.

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I literally had to have a hard conversation

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with a client I work with today.

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It's exact subject.

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Where we felt like we've been crushing it.

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yes and, I want clarity on this, that and the other.

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of being able to celebrate their victories.

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Going to the weekend knowing that they did well.

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the opportunity to understand what is good,

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they will probably dive into fears and wonder

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like if they're really appreciated or not.

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that does take care of them, they're gone.

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Right, they're gonna go where they're gonna be appreciated.

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As that was a big one, thank you.

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I also need to be more careful to be,

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John Gottman of the Gottman Institute

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with marriages talked about how if we can flip the script

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and start saying five positive things

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for every one negative thing that we say.

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Like that's the formula to making marriages last.

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Well, the same thing for all relationships.

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He aims for 20 to one with his wife.

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That's what him and his wife dedicate themselves to do

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is 20 great things, positive things

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for every one critique.

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because I saw a video on Instagram the other day

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that are his friends.

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I told her I was going to Costco and she said,

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kiwis are on sale, can you bring me some?

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he was so hell bent on making his wife like at fault, right?

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things and yes, she could have communicated better,

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but like that wasn't the intent of whole,

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she wasn't trying to, you know, be a nuisance.

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but he's like, but she was wrong too.

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It was interesting, but like finding ways to be positive.

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that could really blow up a relationship for no reason.

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You know, so he's saying the good things, all of them,

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even if they're small, you know.

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Huge. I find myself, I rewrite things like every,

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every time I'm like, man, I sound like a jerk.

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I meant, but this here, I mean, I'm like, okay.

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I go back or, you know, hey, you know,

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Just the little, we can overlook those things

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when we're trying to be productive,

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but it can very much kill a relationship

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if we're going that fast that we lose

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part of the relationship, so I love that you were,

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you're talking about that.

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Overlooking the basics.

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on things like communications or storytelling.

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they're just not, they're like, we've been through this.

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Yeah, that's what they say, definitely.

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I'm not saying that, I love this stuff.

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The basics are where we live.

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I'm a Tim Duncan fan.

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Circle head.

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That's exactly what it's about.

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And I think this is probably two and three.

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So they're overlooking the basics, right?

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you should always have at least three to five outcomes

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that you wanna get out of it.

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even from a course that I've already been in before

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or a speaker I've already heard,

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I've walked away with something new.

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when you go into trainings like that,

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go into it for your team.

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Think about what they could use from it, what they need.

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And it's not just all about you.

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It's like, yes, you have mastered a lot of the basics,

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but sometimes we need a reminder, one.

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are who we're going into this for

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because we're in a different place than where,

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we're in a different place than where they are right now.

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hey, this is actually what they might need in the moment.

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That is so huge.

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I got four out of what you just said.

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Okay, what are the four?

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So the consistent feedback loop,

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the overlooking the basics, right?

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Trying to speed past them.

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And the three to five outcomes, right?

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Establishing that upfront, the three to five outcomes

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that you wanna get out of the experience.

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everybody's gonna be on the same page

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about what we're doing.

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And that's a very nice thought as a leader.

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And so I'm very guilty of that one.

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I wrote that down for me.

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I'm like, okay, I'm taking that one.

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And then the other one too,

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going into it at your team, just kidding, for your team.

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We as leaders think we show up for our team,

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but in reality, our selfish agenda, right?

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And the outcome is what matters.

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We gotta get the outcome.

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And if we don't take control and dive in fast

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and resolve this, everything's gonna be catastrophic.

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Yet when we do that, we end up creating a catastrophe

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because we came at our team instead of to them, right?

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And so I'm in the process too of learning, like, okay,

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there's so much that I really want out of this meeting,

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but is this person okay?

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What's going on in their life?

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Let me just put that aside, Jackson, right?

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And say, I know what I want now.

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Now I'm gonna have my three to five things I want.

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but I need to be able to show up and say,

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hey, John, how are you today?

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What is on your agenda?

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What things do you need?

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that one challenge that exists there

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with new relationships is if you don't have

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the same framework in mind for how things go

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and you have different ways of approaching leadership,

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some leaders can assume that you don't have an agenda

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or assume that you don't know what you're doing

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and you're looking for them to bridge those gaps.

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all of its own, but that's why we have leaders like Thea

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to turn to and be like, hey, let me consult with,

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how much can I hire you to consult with me

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and help me fix these things and figure these things out?

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So those are fantastic tips.

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Those of you listening right now,

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we're gonna take a short break.

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We're gonna come back and we're gonna dive

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into Thea's vision and again, even more about leadership

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and the face of change and what that looks like

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and what her brand has evolved to, brands have evolved to

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and we'll be right back after this break.

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All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live.

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With Jackson Callum, I'm your show host.

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We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs

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and guest leaders who are building

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fantastic visions out there.

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So, welcome to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm your host, Jackson Callum, founder and CEO

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of First Class Business and I'm super excited

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to have Thea back on the show today.

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She's got a couple of different brands

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from the one that's coming out and it's coming soon,

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in October, you'll see them, messygoddess.com, go live.

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You've got her Patreon account, patreon.com slash goddesshood.

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And you can find all the links to her on the show

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and I'm gonna be doing interviews for her on the show.

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She's got a podcast, she's got a couple podcasts

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from the past two, one that I got to be on

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and then goddesshood.co as well.

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We're talking about a leader who's worked with

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likes of Facebook, for instance,

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who's also worked with C-level executives

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who's really heard depth of understanding the values

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and importance of the leadership principles

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that the visionary leaders that gravitate towards me,

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like I'm telling you right now, look at what Thea's doing

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because she's the type of person who's gonna be

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doing because she's the type of person that I turn to

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and I'm like, hey, can I give you a scenario

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and get your advice on this?

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I'm always looking for more leaders to surround myself with

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that can help me with the challenges that we face too

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with scaling our brands.

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So she is just that.

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Before we bring Thea back on stage though,

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a quick shout out to and reference to some of the other

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programs that have really helped us that we've fallen

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in love with and alignment with.

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One is Brain Glue by none other than James Bond.

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James I Bond wrote Brain Glue and Jack Canfield said,

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as an entrepreneur, you would be an idiot

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not to read this book.

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And he said, this book should be in every marketing class

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in America.

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That's how great this book is.

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So definitely go check out and see what Brain Glue does

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and how it helps you emotionally connect with your audience.

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Whereas a lot of people who meanwhile,

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and wanna do good, get stuck in the cerebral stuff.

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There's an opportunity to connect with your audience better

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and James Bond has unlocked some secrets on how to do it.

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And he's quite funny and witty.

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So definitely check that out.

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I laughed out loud, even just listening to the sample clip

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and I received the hard copy of my book just last night.

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So I'm excited to dive in.

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Then there's Dave Morrow with the Hard to Kill podcast

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and hardtokill.org.

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He's helping 100,000 veterans lose 2 million pounds

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collectively.

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And if you know a veteran,

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definitely invite them to come and join.

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I'll say it, our community.

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We joined forces with Dave on this.

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He's opened the doors to civilians as well.

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I'm civilian, I'm super grateful for the armed forces

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and what they've done for me.

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I'm also grateful for a fairly dark movie.

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It was called, Thank You for Your Service.

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And it showcases just how hard it is

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for military veterans to get reintegrated back into life.

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And once they lose their routines

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and they don't have access to that same comrade

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and community and the VA doesn't necessarily do all

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that they can and should to help them

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get back on their feet.

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Well, we need to do something about that.

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So Dave is, he's launched that community,

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he's pulling veterans together.

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He wants to help them look good, feel good and do good.

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And I love the way that he serves and leads.

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So definitely join us over there with that.

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Then there's the water project.

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The water project is not mine.

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I'm guilty for never being thirsty in my life.

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Granted, that's a huge blessing,

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but when I found out there's people who don't have access

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to clean drinking water,

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I decided we gotta talk about this.

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We gotta help people know that this is a reality

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that exists out there.

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Not so we can be overwhelmed by life's problems.

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So we can jump in and help where we can.

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What I love about their organization

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is you get to pick the actual project

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you're going to support

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and you get to see what they're going to do

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to bring it to fruition.

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They even include the community

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so they know how to sustain it long-term.

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And once they finish the process of building

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the borehole well or the sand dam, they send social proof.

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They send the pictures to show you

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what your money went towards.

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And seeing these kids celebrate water

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like my kids celebrate Christmas Day,

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like that's something worth meditating on

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and pondering and realizing

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you could have a multi-generational impact

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by giving back to something like this.

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If you have another cause

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that you'd also like to see us talk about and support,

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by all means, drop the cause in the comments.

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It's not a competition.

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There's a lot of people to help.

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We got a billion out there that we can help.

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So my hope is that you'll allow those of us

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to rock mics like this to jump in the game and help as well.

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There's lots of ways that we will commit

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to jump in the game.

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So without further ado, Thea,

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thank you so much for joining me on Vision Pros Live.

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Thanks for having me.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I got to have you back and back and back and back and back.

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We got all this leadership depth to dive into

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and solve the problems of the world out there.

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Really, we focus on that sometimes,

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but make life better, right?

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It's not just about solving problems.

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It's about amplifying what we can have.

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So in the face of change, what the heck does that mean?

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Which way are we gonna go with this today, Thea?

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I think I wanna go in the direction of

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knowing when to pivot,

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but also knowing how to pivot and how to deal with that,

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especially around when people have inputs or ideas

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about your pivots or comments or concerns about your pivots.

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Yes.

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I have gone through that a lot, so.

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That's totally fair.

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I've got to pull this up.

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Big shout out, by the way,

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to my old business partner, Cesar Torres,

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where, and rest in peace,

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our company named The Pivot Point.

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We got sued and then on compete and lost.

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We shut the company down.

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We ended up reversing the lawsuit, winning,

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and we had already moved on for our different ventures,

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but pivot points happen all the time for entrepreneurs.

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So great topic, pivot points and leadership.

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Let's hear it.

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Yeah, well, okay, we'll start with a personal reference,

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and I think that'll kind of help paint the picture

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of where we could go with this.

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But I remember, so I'm a California native,

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for those of you who don't know, born and raised,

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and I decided one day that I wanted to move to Texas,

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to Austin, Texas.

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So. Yee-haw.

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Yeah, yee-haw.

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Mm-hmm.

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I should have worn my hat.

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I have one now.

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But I remember so many people trying to deter me

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from moving.

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I had a friend say,

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well, you were only there one time.

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I came here for work for a couple of days,

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and I was like, hmm, I'm moving here.

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I don't know what, like,

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I have no idea what that looks like, but I'm moving here.

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And my friends just kept trying to deter me.

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Like, you've only been there one time.

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And I was like, well, I've never lived anywhere else,

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so I probably should go try, and guess what?

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I can move back.

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And so the things that I had to think about

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during that time were silencing the noise.

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I think there's times where you do need people's feedback,

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and it is valuable to marinate on,

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however we all have our own mission,

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we have our own vision,

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and you have to really tap into your intuition

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when making certain decisions.

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Like, it's great to hear from other people.

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However, goddess, my brand is about

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unleashing your inner goddess, right?

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And so you have to tap into your inner goddess,

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your inner guidance, your inner voice.

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And so I have had to manage and navigate that a lot

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as I've pivoted.

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And with that pivot, coming to Texas

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has been the best decision I've ever made

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as far as making a move.

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And it was right before the pandemic.

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So it was like the perfect timing,

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like absolute perfect timing.

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As a Texan, I am not due any honors in this,

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but I feel so honored.

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It makes me so happy that you've liked their state at least.

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So, and this is now your state, by the way.

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Once you've been here for a couple of years,

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we're like, nah, just call it home.

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Well, apparently they say that for Californians

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it's 10 years.

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I've been here five years.

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I feel like that's-

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We're probably trying to drive Californians

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to slow down a little bit.

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This is a lot of them coming.

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So maybe that's it, but no, why do they,

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00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,800
who says that it's 10 years?

524
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,280
I heard that's the phrase around town.

525
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,120
That's what people say.

526
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:41,480
It's been five years.

527
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,640
I feel like I put in some good time here.

528
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,600
Yeah, no, you're welcome.

529
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,480
We love you.

530
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,400
So there's, so you mentioned two in there

531
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,000
or reminded me of marathons

532
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,920
because I was just talking again

533
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,160
to another client yesterday about it.

534
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,400
I said, I said, listen,

535
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,080
we were talking about training and practicing.

536
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,240
And this entrepreneur said they got one practice done

537
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,320
over the weekend.

538
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,840
And I was like, oh no.

539
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,560
I was like, look, have you ever trained for a sport?

540
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,400
And I said, no.

541
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,840
I'm like, okay.

542
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,800
I said, well, a 7K.

543
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,000
And they told me about their 7K

544
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,200
and how they just ran for five minutes more every day

545
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,040
until the 7K.

546
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,760
I was like, well, that's not how marathon training works.

547
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:22,720
You have to train.

548
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,160
Like you have to run the same type of miles

549
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,840
for a long time before you can build up to the next.

550
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,680
And entrepreneurship is 10,000 times harder than marathons.

551
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,360
And so if you're gonna train one hour per week,

552
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:35,720
you ain't gonna make it.

553
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,600
Like that's not gonna happen.

554
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,840
Now, where am I going with this on the marathon side?

555
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,640
If we have friends and family

556
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,440
that don't understand the marathons that we're on,

557
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,320
and they see us in our 23rd or 24th mile,

558
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,280
they're gonna feel empathy.

559
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,920
They're gonna want you to slow down and stop.

560
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,640
Hey, we don't want you to hurt yourself.

561
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,240
Why are you doing this?

562
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,080
What's going on?

563
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,880
And they can't see us in that marathon race

564
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,760
because we're not in a physical marathon

565
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,280
where everybody's clapping and cheering and trying to help.

566
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,680
So I agree with you 100%.

567
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,160
We have to be willing to tune out the noises

568
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,600
and the distractions,

569
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,220
whether it's somebody who's trying to cuddle us,

570
00:22:16,220 --> 00:22:18,240
or it's somebody who's trying to trip us up

571
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,200
or distract us or hold us back.

572
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,760
And that is not easy to do as an entrepreneur.

573
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,680
And so there's a time where we're actually talking about

574
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,880
where you don't pivot, right?

575
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,200
Where you stay focused and keep going.

576
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,440
So how do you know when is when,

577
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,820
when friends or family or loved ones or team members

578
00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:40,800
are telling you that you should pivot?

579
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,000
When do you know it's time to actually make the pivot?

580
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,280
Well, you know, I'm all about, because of my personality,

581
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,880
I'm all about weighing the decisions.

582
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,360
So for me, sometimes I have to see it visually, right?

583
00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,280
So I don't always like,

584
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,560
I guess I think my friends, they'll tell me stuff,

585
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,720
but they don't know if I'm listening or not, you know?

586
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,500
So I'm always listening, just so everybody knows,

587
00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:02,480
I'm always listening.

588
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,040
But sometimes I'll just write stuff down.

589
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,800
I'll put it in my notes on my phone,

590
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,520
put it on a piece of paper and I come back to it, you know?

591
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,520
And that's kind of how I kind of start.

592
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,360
That's like more of the mechanics behind it.

593
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:15,800
But I know people aren't gonna wanna hear this

594
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,080
because it's not an actual, it's a tip.

595
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,960
It's a real tip, but it's very esoteric.

596
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,640
And I think sometimes it's really hard for people

597
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,900
to like see how those things work.

598
00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:28,400
But sometimes just being still and getting into a place

599
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,360
where you can hear your own voice

600
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,360
and you can meditate on things, you know?

601
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:38,120
Because if something feels, if it feels anxious,

602
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:39,600
if it feels like panic around it,

603
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,520
like you're not in a state to actually weigh in on something.

604
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,960
And so I've just learned not to make decisions

605
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,080
when I'm, you know, frantic or anxious or like,

606
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,380
I'm like, oh my God, I gotta figure this out.

607
00:23:51,380 --> 00:23:52,960
And as soon as I start to feel like that,

608
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,220
that's like a good indication of,

609
00:23:54,220 --> 00:23:56,000
okay, I need to take a step back.

610
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,320
Or this also may not be the right move for me, you know?

611
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,520
And trusting that.

612
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,200
And I know that's hard to do of just like trusting yourself

613
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,320
and trusting your voice.

614
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,320
But if you slow down a little bit sometimes,

615
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,960
it doesn't mean like come to a full stop all the time,

616
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,960
but just get into places where you can sit still.

617
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,660
Make sure what you're putting into your body food wise

618
00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:17,380
also is like allowing you to hear.

619
00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:19,840
Cause I've noticed like when I cleaned up my diet

620
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,920
and stuff around things, I can hear myself better.

621
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,840
I can hear myself think, you know?

622
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,880
And so all that stuff influences you.

623
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,880
It's huge.

624
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,320
Whether it's esoteric or some other fancy word or not,

625
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,560
I'm a big fan.

626
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,920
And you've inspired me.

627
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:37,920
I'm gonna do two things now.

628
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,520
I'm tempted to go grab my guitar right now

629
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,600
and play the song, Be Still My Soul.

630
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,200
It is one of my favorite songs.

631
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,640
But I'm not gonna do that to you guys.

632
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,980
What I will do is tonight,

633
00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:51,560
I will record myself playing that song and I will post it.

634
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,080
And those of you who wanna suffer through it,

635
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:54,920
can suffer through it.

636
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,760
Those of you who wanna say,

637
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,320
Ajax, you're doing great, go ahead.

638
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,160
You can say that too.

639
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,160
But that song and that thought process,

640
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,960
we have the answers but not us most of the time.

641
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,200
And general counsel is not a bad thing,

642
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,480
but general counsel,

643
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,640
when it comes from somebody phenomenally

644
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,040
like aligned with what we're doing,

645
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,680
like I'm also good with that,

646
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,380
but their counsel to a general public

647
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:26,400
may be completely adverse to what they would tell you

648
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,600
in your situation.

649
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,600
And we have it, so I hate having general conversations

650
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,560
with people like I don't do well with small talk.

651
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,360
So pivoting, knowing where to pivot,

652
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:37,600
knowing when to escape it

653
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,180
and learning to be respectful in the process,

654
00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:42,120
I would say as well can be helpful

655
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:46,020
with one's ability to stand their ground

656
00:25:46,020 --> 00:25:49,360
when they're doing something that nobody else is like

657
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,680
around them is getting around to supporting.

658
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,840
So let's take a pretty big pivot.

659
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,680
I wanna talk to you about the dark side.

660
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,680
So you've had lots of leadership experiences in your life.

661
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,360
I'm sure you've had lots of leaders

662
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:07,880
that you've had to deal with versus wanted to work with

663
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,520
to what's the worst leadership experience

664
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:11,520
that you've ever had?

665
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,520
Actually, okay, I have a one that pops into my mind.

666
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,640
It's not the one I was going to share originally actually,

667
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,640
but I remember interviewing for this role, right?

668
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,520
And the person didn't understand

669
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,520
that I was asking a strategic question,

670
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,680
not a, I wasn't trying to be messy

671
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,400
when I asked the questions, put it like that.

672
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,440
So there was this role that they were opening up

673
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,160
at this company and I was wondering

674
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,600
why they, I didn't know if they were trying

675
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,280
to look for internal candidates too.

676
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,040
Like I was like, why aren't this,

677
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,800
why isn't that this an in-seat like promotion type of,

678
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,900
because I wanted to know if I'm coming into this role

679
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:56,400
as a manager, if I'm gonna have people

680
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,040
that are going to be kind of upset with me

681
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,500
about being in the role.

682
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:03,120
So it was a very strategic question.

683
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,400
I wanted to know the answer to, right?

684
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,580
And the interviewer kind of shades me.

685
00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:12,480
It's like, well, we're just trying to expand

686
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,880
to everybody and give everyone a chance.

687
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,120
So you need to think about it differently.

688
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:16,960
And I was like, oh, that's,

689
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,480
so instead of asking a question to uncover more,

690
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,960
I was like, whoa, I was like,

691
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,580
I'm not trying to be messy with this,

692
00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:25,960
but if you wanna be messy, we could be,

693
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,000
I'm just kidding, but.

694
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,920
Well, I was like, I wasn't trying to be messy with this.

695
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,720
I was actually trying to understand

696
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,800
what my challenges might be

697
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,240
if I was coming into this role.

698
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,580
Had you have asked me some questions around it,

699
00:27:37,580 --> 00:27:38,680
you would have understood that.

700
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,000
But that's not the stance that they chose to take.

701
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,800
So I think when someone has assumed

702
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,440
they understand my intentions,

703
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,720
but not actually asked what my intentions

704
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,780
or asked more information

705
00:27:50,780 --> 00:27:54,560
on why I was asking a particular question, you know?

706
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,680
100%, that's super common in today's world.

707
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,640
Oh, I'm gonna know it's very, very common.

708
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,880
So I'm curious, how did that play out?

709
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,480
Didn't get the job, thank goodness.

710
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,160
Yeah, thank you for saying that.

711
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,440
Thank goodness, right?

712
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,080
Other people could look at that and be like,

713
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,120
oh, well, she failed.

714
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,320
No, that's a healthy boundary, right?

715
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,320
What was their response to your helpful insight, right?

716
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,000
You tried to help them see

717
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,600
that that's not the angle you're coming from.

718
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,720
I'm curious, do you remember what they responded with?

719
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,240
Or was it like passive or?

720
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,080
It was passive.

721
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,480
It wasn't really like a, aha, like light bulb moment for them.

722
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,720
But I did end up getting to talk to the hiring manager

723
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,860
and give feedback about the overall process.

724
00:28:35,860 --> 00:28:38,320
Because I had other pain points, which were great.

725
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,040
And the hiring manager was very receptive to my feedback.

726
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,560
And I was like, I'm not trying to throw anybody

727
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,200
under the bus, but this is the experience.

728
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,560
And asking more questions or giving more training

729
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,240
around how to deliver interviews,

730
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,560
but actually help people.

731
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,280
Because interviews should be standard.

732
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,880
They shouldn't change across the board

733
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,240
in order to provide a fair and inclusive experience, right?

734
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,160
So I was able to give that feedback

735
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,500
and she was very receptive.

736
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:06,640
But in the interview, the other person was like,

737
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,000
they were like, whatever.

738
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,680
I guess because they felt attacked,

739
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,640
they felt a little hurt.

740
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,040
And I was like, OK, that's fine.

741
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,880
But now you know.

742
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,720
So you'll ask questions next time.

743
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,800
Well, hopefully they will.

744
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,400
I mean, the challenge to that too

745
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,920
is it's not a mechanic reality.

746
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,280
It's a culture.

747
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,160
That's something very deeply rooted.

748
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,400
If somebody is centered in who they are

749
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,720
and they have the strength of character

750
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,280
to deal with a question that may seem offensive,

751
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,400
that's when you have that ability to say,

752
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,520
am I understanding this correctly?

753
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,480
You can ask that question, remove the assumption.

754
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:46,040
But unless the character trait or virtue is addressed,

755
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,120
then they're going to find a new way

756
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,280
to screw that up every single time that it happens.

757
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,920
And I know that from screwing it up myself many times

758
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,400
until I figured out, oh, man, I'm not coming from a position

759
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,440
of love on this.

760
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,680
That's our strongest foundational virtue

761
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,600
at first class businesses.

762
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,720
If I'm out of alignment with that,

763
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,960
I need to be able to recognize that core reality.

764
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,800
And then it makes it so much easier

765
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,800
to deal with the circumstances.

766
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,480
I know you say that because I'm going to post a reel later

767
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,720
on this week.

768
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,640
And because it's been on my mind, I've said it before,

769
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,400
but I felt like I needed to reiterate it,

770
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,200
that people are our biggest currency.

771
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,520
And I know we want to make all the money.

772
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,120
I know we want to do all the things.

773
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,120
But we can't do those things without people oftentimes.

774
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,600
And so people are our biggest currency.

775
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,920
And again, we're not doing it always for the things,

776
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,720
for those things.

777
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,520
However, that is how things get done.

778
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,400
It is.

779
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,200
I'm a second head.

780
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,080
Do you mind if I do?

781
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,240
Because I want the audience, too, to realize

782
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,880
when the host and the podcast guest, when

783
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,320
we do these interactions, I think sometimes people

784
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,360
can think, oh, it's just a one-up scenario.

785
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,520
But in reality, it's an honor of like, whoa,

786
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,920
she just says something huge.

787
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,240
And I've gotten to experience this recently.

788
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,040
And whether it's me admitting the pain of what I've screwed up

789
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,160
on in relation to it, or it's me saying, hey,

790
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,120
here's how this is being implemented,

791
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,960
what I've seen with it, we have a big one today.

792
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,800
So first off, huge shout out and birthday celebratory applause

793
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,840
for Cynthia, whose birthday is tomorrow.

794
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,040
Thank you, Cynthia, for helping us on this.

795
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:26,560
That's right.

796
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,240
So you know, she's in the back end helping us

797
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,480
in the show right now.

798
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,120
And I'll have fun celebrating with her

799
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,040
about this in Spanish, too.

800
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:40,160
In our celebration at noon, 12.45 Central, on Fridays,

801
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,440
we have a meeting with our team called Level Up Calm Down.

802
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,800
And in that meeting, it's break room time.

803
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,960
We're there until 2, leveling up, still talking about things

804
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:49,960
that might be important.

805
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:50,960
We might karaoke.

806
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,200
It does happen at times.

807
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,640
Yeah, oh, we have some fun.

808
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,600
And celebrating victories, singing happy birthday to people,

809
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,880
doing what we need to.

810
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,200
But to your point, people are our biggest currency.

811
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,400
Today was unique in that two weeks ago,

812
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,400
I asked Diana, who holds me accountable,

813
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,160
I asked her to remind me to say, hey, at our meeting,

814
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,440
make sure that you remind me to talk about equity.

815
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,920
And she's like, OK, so last week we didn't get to it.

816
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:24,800
So this week, today, Louisa, Maria Victoria, Andres,

817
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,840
and Cindy all learned that they're

818
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,000
on a track to earn equity in first class business.

819
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,240
They all got their preliminary contracts on that.

820
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,760
And then we got to upgrade and look at what does Cynthia own

821
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,160
now, what does Jaime own, what does Sebastian own,

822
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,040
and go through the ranks of Valentina and Diana as well,

823
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,240
and Zach, et cetera.

824
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,320
We are very, very big on investing in our people,

825
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,000
and our people show up.

826
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,880
But they love to be here.

827
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,680
They know that we care about their visions

828
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,120
and where they go.

829
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,280
And so when we do, when we're looking and saying,

830
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,080
you know what, it's not always the paycheck.

831
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,720
It's not always the bottom line.

832
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,480
It's about making sure that the people that we have around us

833
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,000
know how much they're appreciated,

834
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,800
know they have the ability to input,

835
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,160
and can start to really understand that this is not

836
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,320
just my vision.

837
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,320
It is our vision.

838
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,360
It's amazing what we can accomplish when we do that.

839
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,040
So I hope you do make that episode happen.

840
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,320
I don't see many people doing that

841
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,480
in the world of business.

842
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,480
Yeah.

843
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,480
Yeah.

844
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,880
That's always what happens.

845
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,080
I'm just taking it all in, all the confidence

846
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,720
that you put into your team.

847
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,960
Wow.

848
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,680
Yeah, again, we wouldn't be where we were.

849
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,960
We won't be where we're going without the people.

850
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,800
The people are what make it happen.

851
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,520
So let's go into the best leadership experience

852
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,280
you've ever had.

853
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,640
So again, you've had a lot of great leaders in your life

854
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,600
who've led you.

855
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,040
You've had great leadership opportunities as well.

856
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,520
What's the best one ever?

857
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,880
OK, this was my favorite role.

858
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,880
It was the second time I went to contract back at Facebook.

859
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,080
And I had this manager.

860
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,920
This is when I did.

861
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,160
I was a business processes project manager.

862
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,320
So I helped iterate the business processes

863
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,320
for the whole department.

864
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,600
And so I really liked working with this manager

865
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,840
because every time we came to meet,

866
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,600
he had this format of how we would run the meetings.

867
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,480
And he would ask if there was anything I needed from him.

868
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,360
And I was like, no.

869
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,840
And he's like, OK, you just let me

870
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,760
know if you need anything.

871
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,680
And he would just get out of the way and let me do the work

872
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,240
and let me make him look good, let me make the team look good,

873
00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:34,120
myself look good.

874
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,200
But he would just get out of the way.

875
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,960
And I appreciated that so much because I remember,

876
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,240
I actually quit a job one time because I was brought in

877
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:45,960
to up level the processes.

878
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,680
And I go to pull out my computer to do

879
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,000
what I do with the processes to kind of give everybody

880
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,520
on the same page during the meeting.

881
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,320
And the manager looks at me.

882
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,080
He says, oh, so it's the Theodora show now.

883
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960
I was like, oh, it's time to go.

884
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,080
I was like, it is so time to go.

885
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Because this is not going to go well because you

886
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,280
don't want me to do what I came here to do,

887
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,320
what you hired me to do.

888
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,280
So I'm going to just exit stage left.

889
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,480
And unfortunately, two people left after me too.

890
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,560
So I didn't tell them to leave.

891
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,280
But they were like, you're leaving?

892
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,200
We're out.

893
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,400
I have been.

894
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,320
I have found that door 100, at least 100 times.

895
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,560
Maybe even hundreds by now.

896
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,240
My new line is, look, I get that you want a fractional C level.

897
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,080
But do you want somebody who actually knows

898
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,200
what the C stands for?

899
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,320
Or do you want somebody who's just going to listen

900
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,680
to everything you want them to do?

901
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,200
Exactly.

902
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,640
Exactly.

903
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,400
We don't do pretenders here.

904
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,240
We work with contenders.

905
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:44,600
We work with chiefs, chiefs who actually want to do the things

906
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,040
and want the space to be able to do it.

907
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,160
I love what that leader did.

908
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,240
Just get out of the way.

909
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:49,080
We have to get.

910
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,080
If we're going to put somebody in position who actually

911
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,840
knows what they're doing, you can't then come up to LeBron

912
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,200
James and say, just shut up and dribble.

913
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,360
If you're going to find somebody who will do that,

914
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,360
they have no capacity to lead.

915
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,720
No.

916
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:05,400
Well said.

917
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,440
So that is a great insight.

918
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,800
If this was the last chance that you

919
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,480
had to give a powerful lesson for other entrepreneurs

920
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,040
and visionaries out there, what would the lesson be?

921
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,520
Trust in your skills.

922
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,720
Trust in your skill set and trust in not just your skills

923
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:27,680
but who you are as a person.

924
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:33,440
I feel like sometimes so many of our experiences in the physical

925
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,320
don't really relate to who we are always in the spiritual.

926
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,560
So if something is happening that

927
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,960
is in the physical of you're being rejected from something

928
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,240
or you're being denied or stopped,

929
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:44,840
that doesn't mean that you're not still

930
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,080
on track in the spiritual.

931
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,640
And sometimes those things just haven't caught up yet

932
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,000
and we have to be patient and just let it play out.

933
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,560
Because there's so many times where I was like,

934
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,000
oh, this thing didn't work out.

935
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,400
I was actually in kind of a spell over the last two weeks

936
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,280
and I finally came out of it a couple of days ago

937
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,320
because of some really good healing work that happened.

938
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,600
And I was so bummed.

939
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,440
But then when I looked up and looked around

940
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,360
at what came out of that decline for something,

941
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,240
I was just like, OK, I hear you.

942
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:18,160
I'm going to be patient.

943
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,920
I'm going to let it all catch up.

944
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,240
So I was just ahead of where I was

945
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:24,600
supposed to be at that moment.

946
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,480
And then kind of everything came back into alignment.

947
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,440
So it doesn't mean I was off in my intuition.

948
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,080
It just means that was a little early.

949
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:31,840
That's all.

950
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,720
So sometimes that stuff happens.

951
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,480
I know all too well.

952
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,360
It was like a therapy session for me, Thea.

953
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,680
It's been like that this week.

954
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:41,560
I'm not going to lie.

955
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,280
It's been like that for all of us.

956
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,760
I'm getting the goods right now.

957
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,560
This is the trust in your skill set.

958
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,600
And I love that you were like, and who you are as a person,

959
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,120
because you're right.

960
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,000
There are phases.

961
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,520
There's stages that the stars kind of

962
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,920
have to align in some regards.

963
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,120
And so I grew up very, very, very talented in sports

964
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,360
and being really, really good at sports.

965
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,080
And I wanted to be LeBron James.

966
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Man, that was supposed to be me breaking that scoring record.

967
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,880
And no, it wasn't.

968
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,560
It was not.

969
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,280
I don't have that level of skill set.

970
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,080
I'm finally admitting that to myself in the last year or two.

971
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,080
But how and why?

972
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,320
And no, yes, I'm finally starting

973
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,080
to come to terms with that.

974
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,200
Please laugh.

975
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,560
It's worth it.

976
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,400
I'm able to finally laugh at that.

977
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,320
But I'm serious.

978
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,040
I've been wondering about that and wondering

979
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,200
about the music thing, too.

980
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,800
It's like, all right, Ed Sheeran, man.

981
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,600
He took my career.

982
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,000
Josh Groban, they got it.

983
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,880
But as I've reflected back on life

984
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,400
and started to see the past and the things that I've

985
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,760
been able to do, the opportunities that I've had,

986
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,240
last year in a podcast, I admitted

987
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:57,080
the story about how my stepsister convinced me

988
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,440
to admit that I liked Barney at six years old.

989
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,520
And then when I finally admitted it, they turned around.

990
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,480
They made fun of me relentlessly.

991
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,360
And that was the story of my life with my cousins

992
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,040
and my step-siblings.

993
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,040
It was a brutal environment to grow up with somebody who.

994
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,000
So then Bananas in Pajamas comes out,

995
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,120
and Teletubbies comes out.

996
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,400
And I'm like, no, nothing to do with anything like that.

997
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,360
And Blue's Clues and all those things,

998
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,400
my best friend in high school, one of the coolest kids

999
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,000
in school, was watching Blue's Clues in high school,

1000
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,480
like in between playing Call of Duty.

1001
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,240
And I remember, no.

1002
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:42,400
And he was like, what?

1003
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,820
He's like, Blue's Clues is amazing.

1004
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:45,560
And so I'd watch it with him.

1005
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,640
But I had this massive resistance within me.

1006
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,880
I was like, I ain't ever telling anybody I did this,

1007
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,480
not even if it's with Mr. Cool.

1008
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,080
I had this blog.

1009
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,160
And JP Sears, JP Sears is a comedian on YouTube

1010
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,640
that does all of the spoof type stuff.

1011
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:10,360
And it was super theatrical with his comedy.

1012
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,480
He has long red hair and his crazy bandana and stuff.

1013
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,200
And it was, I don't know, something

1014
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,880
about just life in general and seeing what he's done

1015
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,160
and hearing his Ted talk about insecurities.

1016
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,200
I was like, OK, I'm safe now.

1017
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,440
I'm not five anymore.

1018
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,840
I can be me and do the things I need to do.

1019
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,240
And so I was terrified of my curly hair.

1020
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:36,920
I've never grown my hair out in my life, ever.

1021
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,560
I was always second guessing myself and insecure.

1022
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,440
And so here I am, 36 years old, 35,

1023
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,040
when I started to go through this, you know what?

1024
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,280
Like you said, my skill sets, part of them

1025
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,080
were meant for seasons and processes or things that

1026
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,440
developed as a shield.

1027
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,880
Part of them will help me on what I'm really meant to do.

1028
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,040
But a lot of what I'm really meant to do

1029
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,360
is behind the scenes of that crazy, that nurture,

1030
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,680
that being willing to own the passions that I've

1031
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,080
buried for so many years.

1032
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,680
I don't think I'm the only one who did that.

1033
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,760
Absolutely not.

1034
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,640
We all have to hug our inner child.

1035
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,120
I've hugged little Thea all the time.

1036
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:19,840
I'm like, it's OK.

1037
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,680
You can express that now.

1038
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,360
You don't have to hide anymore.

1039
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,480
You don't have to dim that light just because you grew up

1040
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,280
with this experience.

1041
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,120
We have to almost reparent ourselves in some ways.

1042
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,200
Absolutely.

1043
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,920
And that's that face of change.

1044
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,640
There's positive change.

1045
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,200
There's negative change that exists there.

1046
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,880
And so how do you know the difference?

1047
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,400
And how do you embrace positive changes

1048
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,640
when it can feel scary to do it?

1049
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,120
It's interesting.

1050
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,600
I guess part of my own trauma is growing up.

1051
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,560
So it's the trauma response, I guess, for me

1052
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,280
to be able to pivot a little bit.

1053
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,600
I can pivot in and out of things really fast.

1054
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,440
I can shift my mindset real quick.

1055
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,640
Because I guess I grew up where we didn't always

1056
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,720
have the resources, or we didn't always have the food,

1057
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:13,960
or have the things that we needed.

1058
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,120
And so I don't know.

1059
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,080
I just always feel like there's a way to figure something out,

1060
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,040
or there's just a way.

1061
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,520
So I always move towards change.

1062
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,320
Yeah, I always move towards change really quickly.

1063
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,800
I don't have a lot of good advice

1064
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,360
on that because I don't really think about it too much.

1065
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,480
If it's bigger life decisions, yeah.

1066
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,080
But when something comes at me, this last two weeks,

1067
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,920
I will say, I was kind of like, what the heck is this?

1068
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200
And I was like, I'm going to let myself be down in the dumps

1069
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,280
today because I don't do that often.

1070
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,280
But most times, it's a quick pivot.

1071
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,000
So I think even when something just comes at me,

1072
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,640
I just roll with it.

1073
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,920
One of the best leadership coaches I've ever talked to

1074
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,240
said the same thing you did about allowing yourself

1075
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,200
to go through your rut.

1076
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,200
And everybody has them.

1077
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,120
And you can build up to have strengths

1078
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,240
where your ruts are shorter.

1079
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,240
But when you have a rut, don't get scared of it.

1080
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:07,960
And own it.

1081
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,840
Allow yourself to realize that that's where you're at.

1082
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:11,920
And that's OK.

1083
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,720
And then you'll find ways to recuperate.

1084
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:14,760
So that was beautiful.

1085
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,080
And then earlier, you said it too.

1086
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,360
You did give me one of those clear answers earlier

1087
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,280
that I think applies to this where you said, be still.

1088
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,080
Be still and allow yourself to think through it.

1089
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,880
So you've had opportunities to pivot.

1090
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,360
Now you've got these websites.

1091
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,640
You've got Goddesshood.

1092
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,040
You've got messy goddess too.

1093
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,920
Talk to me about whichever one you want to.

1094
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,600
I'm curious about what messy means, how that relates.

1095
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,280
Because I can see it.

1096
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:39,680
I can feel it.

1097
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,040
I already feel like I can already paint

1098
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,120
with what you've given me.

1099
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,200
But I still want to know from the source of truth,

1100
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,400
what is that?

1101
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,600
Well, I was struggling with letting someone

1102
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,200
go from my life that just had been around for a while.

1103
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,720
And we were really close.

1104
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:58,080
But I was just struggling with letting it go and moving on.

1105
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,720
Even though we weren't still in the physical,

1106
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,000
we weren't still connected or spending time.

1107
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,840
But you still think about people and you're

1108
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,520
still holding onto things.

1109
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,320
And so I was really struggling to let some stuff go.

1110
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,720
And I thought I'd let it go.

1111
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,360
But I guess I shoved it down deep

1112
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,800
and I wasn't aware that it was still in there.

1113
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,200
And so messy goddess came about because I was like, OK,

1114
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,040
I've tried a lot of other things to move this through.

1115
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,000
So I was like, let me make some music about this.

1116
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:34,640
And it was really me embracing being OK, not being OK,

1117
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,720
telling the truth, speaking up, not holding back, being free,

1118
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,240
and just really letting go.

1119
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:44,360
And so messy goddess came up through that.

1120
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,360
And I was having a conversation with a friend.

1121
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,840
And she's an entrepreneur too, creative.

1122
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,680
And we were just discussing how hard it

1123
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,480
can be sometimes to continue to post and share things

1124
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,200
when you're not OK.

1125
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:02,200
And so I've been called to not have as much of a facade up,

1126
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,000
if that makes sense, and to share my stories.

1127
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,080
And sometimes when you're sharing your story.

1128
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,000
I just talked about liking Barney at 5 and feeling bad

1129
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:09,840
about it to this day.

1130
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,320
You're good.

1131
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,480
We can talk about Barney.

1132
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,240
We can talk about the mess.

1133
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:18,560
Oh, but yeah, I decided to stop always pretending

1134
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,560
like everything is OK.

1135
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,760
And that's the mess in the masterpiece.

1136
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,040
That's the beauty of the human experience.

1137
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,520
And so that's where messy goddess has come from.

1138
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,560
And I've felt called to do some more art and do some more music

1139
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,960
and collaborate with people.

1140
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,560
And one of the things I really love to do

1141
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,680
is spotlighting people.

1142
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,760
And so I kind of want to use messy goddess

1143
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,480
to bring in other creatives and other collaborators

1144
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,640
that I want to spotlight that are actually

1145
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,040
living in their truth and living authentically.

1146
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,360
Because that is what Goddess It is about too,

1147
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,360
is about living authentically and helping

1148
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,800
people use their authentic voice and find it in a safe space

1149
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,600
so that their life doesn't get dimmed.

1150
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,680
And I didn't realize that when I created Goddess It

1151
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,480
that I was creating the place that I needed

1152
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,240
when I was younger of being able to try my voice out

1153
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,840
without fear of judgment or fear of rejection

1154
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,240
and just trying it out.

1155
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,960
So people can now come into our voice note community

1156
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,880
on Goddess It through Patreon.

1157
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,760
And they're able to actually get prompts

1158
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,440
to speak back literally like voice notes with us.

1159
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,240
And they can play around with their voice

1160
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,680
without feeling like, oh my god, I'm on social media.

1161
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,000
Oh my god, I'm starting a podcast already.

1162
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,200
They have a place to fail.

1163
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,440
And then they can go out there and be sharper for it.

1164
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,080
So I'm just, yeah.

1165
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,760
And so Patreon will see I'm sharing a lot of my own stories

1166
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,840
to kind of encourage people to go there and get raw,

1167
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:39,480
get deeper.

1168
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,040
And so that's what messy goddess and Goddess It

1169
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:42,920
are one in the same.

1170
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,240
But it's just I want to spotlight people

1171
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,920
who are living in the mess but making it a masterpiece.

1172
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,880
And so yeah, I'm really pumped for that.

1173
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,800
So yeah.

1174
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,080
That's so awesome.

1175
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,680
Living in the mess and yet making it a masterpiece

1176
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,800
as is every great artist of all time.

1177
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,720
They're the greats.

1178
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,160
You can't, again, I was talking to the client

1179
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,720
about that exact process because he loves to be messy

1180
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:10,280
with what he's doing.

1181
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,880
And in fact, I was talking to BrainGlue, to James Bond

1182
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,080
about this because he loves to joke and he's hilarious

1183
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,880
and he loves to incubate things.

1184
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,960
And I was like, OK.

1185
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,200
James, we need to get you into your artistic room

1186
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,240
where you can just fling paint everywhere,

1187
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,680
Jackson Pollock style.

1188
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,640
Let's make sure that happens.

1189
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,680
And in the art gallery, in the public art gallery,

1190
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,320
you got to have a separation on this to some extent sometimes.

1191
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,000
Now sometimes we can run an art gallery that's messy too.

1192
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,840
But there's time and a place and there's

1193
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,000
a balance in that process that we usually have to come into.

1194
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,160
But I love that way that you frame that to be messy

1195
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,480
in the midst of the masterpiece.

1196
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,400
There's wisdom in that.

1197
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,640
So you may not know.

1198
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,320
I've never revealed this publicly.

1199
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,240
I've told a very, I've told a handful of people,

1200
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,440
I'm working on a music app.

1201
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,120
Oh, really?

1202
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,120
Oh my gosh.

1203
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,000
That's juicy.

1204
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,480
OK.

1205
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,080
Or it gets juicier because it's right in line

1206
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,480
with what you're talking about.

1207
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,040
You struck a chord in the vein for me

1208
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,640
where you said about these people who

1209
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,240
aren't quite ready to get out there.

1210
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,800
Well, the app is called Rape My Song.

1211
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,200
And Rape My Song is about anonymously being

1212
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,160
able to share your music so that people

1213
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,280
can give positive feedback only based on what they vibe with.

1214
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,080
And then if you decide that you then want to come out publicly

1215
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,360
and say, I produce that, you can.

1216
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,520
So yeah, yeah.

1217
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,440
I still got to find some musicians and some tech people

1218
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,440
who want to pull it off.

1219
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,920
But a few years now, I've been kind of incubating

1220
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,800
the back end of processes just like I do the most

1221
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,600
entrepreneurial stuff.

1222
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,600
And that is one of those that I'm really excited.

1223
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,400
It's to honor exactly what you talked about.

1224
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,480
I love that.

1225
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,560
I love that.

1226
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,120
Because it's so count, OK, this is

1227
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,120
why I like what we're doing because it's so counter-culture.

1228
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,880
Like you have to understand this because people thrive right

1229
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,080
now on social media from talking crap about other people

1230
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,840
and being messy in the comments in a bad way.

1231
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,760
And so I just love it.

1232
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,080
It's so counter-culture.

1233
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,040
It's so like going against the grain.

1234
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,400
Like, oh, it's just so.

1235
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,560
Mark Twain and everybody's going one way, go the other.

1236
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,520
It's just kind of me.

1237
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,320
That's how I've been.

1238
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,920
And when you learn principles too, right,

1239
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,840
if somebody were on the fence on that, like, man,

1240
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,000
I don't know how to do that.

1241
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,000
One, start small and be safe.

1242
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,920
You might be in an environment where that's dangerous to do.

1243
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,880
I don't take for granted that I didn't grow up in the projects.

1244
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,200
I grew up with some mean cousins, but then they loved me.

1245
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,280
I did have a gun barrel pointed at my face

1246
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,160
at one point for what I did.

1247
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,200
And there's lots of things that could have happened,

1248
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,960
but it's very rare that I was in such an extreme situation

1249
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,760
where it's not safe for me to be who I am, especially

1250
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:58,640
these days.

1251
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,360
So be careful with what we're saying generally.

1252
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,840
But in general, one of the greatest signs of strength

1253
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,000
and power is the ability to be authentic and the ability

1254
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,120
to be vulnerable with what it is you're going through

1255
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,080
and so if you're a strong person surrounded

1256
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,560
by a ton of weak individuals who will hold you back,

1257
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,520
be careful because that weak people can outnumber you.

1258
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,240
But if you are a strong person and you surround yourself

1259
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,680
with other strong people, then you

1260
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,960
can be in a position to where you can embrace authenticity,

1261
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,440
you can embrace vulnerability, and then you

1262
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,800
can have superpowers to be able to do the things you've always

1263
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,040
wanted to do.

1264
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,040
And greater results typically come from those individuals,

1265
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,280
plus you sleep well at night.

1266
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,520
So join us on that.

1267
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,120
If you hear that, come and join us.

1268
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,160
Be our guest on Vision Pros.

1269
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,720
Tap into what Thea is building at goddesshood.co

1270
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:56,080
and at messygoddess.com.

1271
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,040
That's going to be fun to see.

1272
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,720
How do men fall into this equation, Thea?

1273
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:02,600
I'm trying to like, oh.

1274
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,800
Well, actually, this is what's going to happen.

1275
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,240
Well, I'm projecting this.

1276
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,360
I don't know if she's going to go for it yet,

1277
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,120
but I think she will.

1278
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,200
So I actually, I told you I'm trying

1279
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,880
to do more fun and more collabs.

1280
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,240
And there was a woman, I actually

1281
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:15,680
had her read my birth chart.

1282
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,960
And she was like, hey, do you want to hop on Instagram Live

1283
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,840
and I can break down your birth chart for you?

1284
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,880
And I was like, yes.

1285
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,240
Absolutely, I'll open myself up for that.

1286
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,280
And she said something towards the end of the live.

1287
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,480
She was like, I hope that you and I can help many women

1288
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,320
together and many other people of gender identities.

1289
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,920
And I was like, oh, that is so divine.

1290
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,840
Because I've struggled with, I had the Miseducation

1291
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,000
of Masculinity podcast, but I've often

1292
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,080
struggled with knowing what to do with men

1293
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,760
or having a block around how to actually help men because

1294
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,360
of just some personal things.

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And so I was like, maybe I'll do that

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when I have someone that I trust that can help me with it

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so I don't have to do it all by myself.

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And so when she said that, I was like, OK,

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maybe she can help me with that.

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So yeah, we'll get there.

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I'm sure I'm not turning men away.

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Of course not.

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But we have to be respectful of the cultures that exist

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and the vibes that exist.

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And so the inclusivity and equity and diversity stuff,

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that's a sacred subject.

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It's a hard one to understand fully.

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So what you're building, we'll honor that.

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But if the clear door becomes open, like, hey, look,

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here this is, or on involvement, then I'm

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pretty sure there's a lot of men who probably heard this

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who were like, man, this really resonates with what I'm doing

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too.

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I know they'll want to be just as respectful in terms of,

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like, how do we support this in them?

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Maybe the support that needs to exist there

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is just the women that we know, who we want to see,

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be able to step into this type of line.

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I got five older sisters and my mom,

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and I'm always looking for solutions for how do I improve

1321
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and help them with their lives because I care about them.

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So thank you for being a leader who's

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doing something amazing for so many people out there

1324
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and for blessing us with the wisdom of leadership today.

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We'll have, once again, in the show notes,

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we'll have the action steps so that you guys can

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know how to connect and do things with Thea and goddesshood.

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We'll also have the resources that we mentioned on today's

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show.

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There's a couple that came up on today's show

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that I want to make sure to highlight.

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And we will see everybody on the next episode of Vision Pros

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Live.

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Thank you for being here today.

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I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions

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as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is going to get more and more fun.

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We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show.

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And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision.