where your vision came from. What sparked this, this sense of freedom and helping everybody else
to become free? Well, you know, yes, I was put into a leadership role at the age of 27 when I had no
relevant background. Somebody saw that potential in me. And this has this basically catapulted me
into that leadership realm in a way. And later I was also a business owner in Argentina and Brazil.
So the first time I was put into a leadership role that was at the Boston Consulting Group
in Madrid, I had just moved to Spain. I just learned the language. So that was really,
really a surprise factor for me at the time. But then there was, there was no more stopping me in
terms of thinking about leadership, figuring it all out. And of course, also learning some hard
skills that are related to leadership, as well as some of the basic soft skills such as communication.
But there was more to it. And I have been doing a lot of thinking ever since I started on this path
in my many different capacities, now also as a transformational leadership coach.
This also, of course, brought a lot of other leaders toward me. And I've been observing
their leadership and trying to figure out what makes the most sense in, in the different settings.
So for example, if you're a team leader in corporate, if you are a business owner, and what
are the, what is the common denominator of what I consider great leadership? And that's also how
my Rise to Lead podcast came to, came to life.