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where your vision came from. What sparked this, this sense of freedom and helping everybody else

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to become free? Well, you know, yes, I was put into a leadership role at the age of 27 when I had no

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relevant background. Somebody saw that potential in me. And this has this basically catapulted me

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into that leadership realm in a way. And later I was also a business owner in Argentina and Brazil.

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So the first time I was put into a leadership role that was at the Boston Consulting Group

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in Madrid, I had just moved to Spain. I just learned the language. So that was really,

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really a surprise factor for me at the time. But then there was, there was no more stopping me in

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terms of thinking about leadership, figuring it all out. And of course, also learning some hard

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skills that are related to leadership, as well as some of the basic soft skills such as communication.

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But there was more to it. And I have been doing a lot of thinking ever since I started on this path

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in my many different capacities, now also as a transformational leadership coach.

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This also, of course, brought a lot of other leaders toward me. And I've been observing

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their leadership and trying to figure out what makes the most sense in, in the different settings.

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So for example, if you're a team leader in corporate, if you are a business owner, and what

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are the, what is the common denominator of what I consider great leadership? And that's also how

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my Rise to Lead podcast came to, came to life.