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What is your goal for being on the show?

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That's a good question.

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My goal for being on the show is to have this conversation.

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One of my favorite things about being a podcast guest

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is the way it challenges my perspectives, my point of view,

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because I get to have these conversations

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with people like yourself.

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And I get to understand how people interpret my work.

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I get to share my work with a broad audience of people.

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I get to develop relationships with people like yourself

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and help, there's this reciprocity there, right?

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Like I'm showing up on your show

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and I'm sharing my expertise with your audience,

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but also then I'm able to share this conversation

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with my audience and help promote your show, right?

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And so it's a way of like forming kind of

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very distant community, right?

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We don't get to spend time together all the time,

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but there's this moment in time

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when we're in this beautifully encapsulated energy exchange,

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right?

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And I get to see my work through your eyes, right?

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Which helps me to broaden my perspectives

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and challenge my perspectives and let me know where

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maybe I need to do some more work or some more research

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because I insist on staying in the world

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as a curious person.

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It's why I call myself a scholar of intentional

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and ethical leadership in living

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and not a leadership expert.

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It's because oftentimes when we put ourselves

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in a position of expertise of an expert,

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we insulate ourselves from that

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which challenges our points of view, right?

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And so this is part of my practice

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in continually challenging myself

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and also being able to share what I'm passionate about

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in my vision with the world around me and see,

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does this resonate with you?

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Does this impact you, right?

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Because I think it does.

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I'm almost certain that it does,

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but I also wanna make sure that I'm continually

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gathering more information.