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What's your goal for being on the show?

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One of my goals this year is being on 200 shows.

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Because I do not enjoy social media.

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I don't like it. I'm 57.

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I have a 15-year-old adopted son who thinks that I'm an old person.

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There are ways in which I do social media,

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but I got to be honest with you, it's rough.

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Don't exclude me. I'm in your group.

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I'm in your group.

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I rock the mic.

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I'm a producer, not a consumer.

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Well, and I do rock the mic as well,

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but I also really do well in one-on-one conversations.

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I know that I can get my message across to more people by talking to people like you,

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when your audience can hear what I have to say.

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When I do my CliftonStrengths,

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it comes out as relator is number one.

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There's a reason I can do that.

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I can relate to people immediately.

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Being on this show would be-

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When you're doing that, you're doing an in-person event too.

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I'm also doing that.

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You're actually living in the world.

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Exactly.

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Being in person too.

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That's where I would rather have my time spent as well.

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These one-on-ones are with people directly because you can't get to

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depth by just posting the sixth image in your phone. Never mind.

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There are benefits to having a lot of followers,

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but when I even send my emails out on a weekly basis,

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almost every week I get a response.

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It's like that's when I'm doing something right.

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Those are the things that bring me joy.

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Those are the things that tell me I'm on the right path.

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One of my tenets of intentional optimism is being present.

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Part of that is realizing that people are more important than ideas,

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things, or principles.

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This is my way of living part of that out as well.