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what has the group what impact has that specific group had on

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your life? I know you have changed many lives. But what did

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that group do for you?

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Um, yeah, I started this last group 20 years ago. I started

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because you know, I wanted more more authentic friends. And yeah,

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I got that it helped my emotional development and it

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helped me the develop relational skills, more awareness with

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myself, more ability to communicate to others more

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ability to sort of hold my own space and, and feel good about

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myself to assert myself in ways that were beneficial for myself

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and others. But it also really reaffirmed that my vision of how

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to foster communication and relationships really works. And

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to the point that, as you mentioned, I'm no longer in a

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group or in any direct way, but the group continues to grow

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because these men have learned the skills that I taught them

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and they're teaching other men where we're up to probably 500

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guys have now gone through the group or in the group and that

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have applied these skills and changed their lives in some

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cases saved lives.