and tell me about your vision.
Yeah, so my vision is very succinct.
It's, I envision a world with less suffering,
much more kindness, much more connection,
and much more joy, and that's my vision for,
that I wanna live into.
I wanna be a part of that.
I love that.
I'm gonna take that and combine it
with one of my favorite books, Radical Candor.
I have a feeling you've come across that before.
I actually haven't.
I'm gonna-
Oh, I'm excited, man.
I'm excited.
So we both have some study to do.
I'm gonna be studying on your book,
and I hope that you,
I'll send you the little seven minute YouTube clip
so you can speed through it.
Right on, Radical Candor.
Yep, and so she's got this quadrant,
and on one side of the quadrant,
there's four different, rather, layers of this.
Radical Candor is about giving people feedback
that they may not wanna hear, but doing so with love, right?
And helping people understand the value of moving forward.
On the opposite spectrum of that,
somebody who cares about an individual
but refuses to give feedback when they need it,
she calls that ruinous empathy,
and it's often camouflaged in the form of kindness.
I've, I used to kinda hate on kindness quite a bit
because I'm not a big fan of kindness that ends up,
you know, oh yeah, you'll be okay.
Don't worry, the cliff's right in front of you,
but, you know, it's your life.
That's not kindness to me.
So let's talk through that.
What is kindness to you?
What does that mean to you as a leader?
Oh boy, this is one of my favorite concepts, actually.
And I'm with you, I'm not about false kindness.
So the way I define kindness is,
kindness is friendliness, generosity, consideration,
and the willingness to offer assistance
without the need for praise or acknowledgement.
Okay, so it's very specific, right?
And that-
I agree with that.
I would add on my side, with permission.
Yes, yeah.
Or, you know what, not even with permission, sorry,
I'm gonna reframe mine.
I would say, with respect for agency.
Yeah, there you go, yeah, yeah.
Respect for agency.
Yeah, and you know, because in my opinion,
kindness, gosh, you know, it just,
it unites instead of divides.
It heals instead of injures, right?
I mean, it feels good to give it,
it feels good to receive it,
and it feels good to be around it.
I really believe that kindness is powerful.
And you know, you mentioned radical candor,
and I love that concept of being radical in your life,
taking a radical responsibility for your life.
And the way I define radical is simply
a departure from the norm, a departure from what is usual.
And so that might be a very small tweak,
or it could be something very big,
but it's a departure from what is norm.