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Tell me about your vision.

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So my vision is to support people to really be their best selves across every aspect of their lives.

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And I work with people in a really holistic whole person perspective.

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So I'm as interested in how you show up and the legacy that you leave in your working life

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as much as who you are and how you show up in every other aspect of your life as a partner,

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as a parent, if you're a parent, sibling, son, daughter, friend, community leader.

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Because it's so important that we look at the whole person.

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And I think that COVID really shone a spotlight that we can't just invest and focus on people

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into how they show up and who they are as a leader professionally, but it's the whole person that counts.

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And if you're bringing your, if you're flourishing and thriving in your personal life,

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you bring that energy and joy and success to your working life.

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So that it's a different perspective that I bring in my leadership and wellbeing programs in the corporate world.

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But I think it's very needed. And finally, corporates are actually getting that,

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that it's worth it for them to invest in the whole person.

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Tell me more about that.

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So traditionally, because I've worked as a, I'm a corporate lawyer, I'm a Gustalt psychotherapist by training.

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But the last 25 years, I've worked in the consulting space around leadership.

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And in the past, companies have only been interested in investing in their people

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into who they are as a professional and how they're showing up professionally

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and supporting them to be the best leader at work, but not in any other aspect of their life.

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And then through COVID, we saw all the mental health issues.

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And then we saw when, when, when people weren't, especially in Melbourne,

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we had the second longest lockdown in the world after China.

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And so we could only see people on Zoom for two years, nearly two years.

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And so people had to bring more of who they really were.

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You could see their family or their pets or how they really were going through those two years.

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And there was so much kind of chaos and, as I said, suffering,

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mental health suffering that companies now realize.

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And I see it globally because I work a lot in London as well and Asia, a little bit in New York,

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that the whole person needs to be invested in if companies want to get the best out of them at work.

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And I think it's really healthy and it's really, it's really fresh.

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It's really great to see.

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You're, you're spot on, spot on with what you just said.

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If I were to ask you, where did this vision exactly come from,

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where you figured this part out about, you know,

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like people need to focus other things as well apart from just from professional environment?

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Yeah, that's a good question.

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I think working with different consultancies and only focusing,

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so running other people's programs on people in their professional lives

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made me realize that there's a big opportunity.

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Combined with my experience as a psychotherapist and working very deeply with people and,

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and, you know, all the joys, but also all the suffering that they carried

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and seeing how that impacted every aspect of their life.

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It, yeah, that became very apparent and very important to me.

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And so about 10 years ago, I decided that I wanted to start my own consulting business

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and really focus on the whole person and also bring together the intersection of leadership,

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mental health and well-being, because most companies,

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they have programs or strategies in place to support their people around mental health

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and then in another area around leadership.

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And I wanted to combine the two because a really strong foundation of leadership is strong mental health.

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You know, you can't have one without the other.

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And companies weren't thinking in a holistic perspective.

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So with my different experience, that became very apparent to me.

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It feels very natural to me, actually.

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It feels just very authentic to do it like that.

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It feels strange to kind of silo those two things.

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What are some of the biggest challenges you see leaders face when you're consulting them?

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I'd say 80% of my work is with FEMA leaders.

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And it's kind of a bit of a trope, but it's true.

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Really lacking in confidence and self-belief.

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I would say that's the biggest challenge.

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And what's the reason behind that?

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In our culture, women are more socialized to please and to defer to others and serve and look after others.

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So we're less invested and attuned to ourself.

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So that's probably the biggest challenge that I see even amongst very senior leaders.

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That would be the number one challenge.

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The number two is carrying and holding all the different parts of everybody's life.

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So for men and women and all genders, the pace of life and the pace of business is so fast.

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We look after our mental health, our physical health, our family, our work.

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Most people are just so fast on the hamster wheel.

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And just taking the time out to reflect on what's important to them and where they want to invest more of their time and energy is huge for people.

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But it's so important because otherwise we just keep on doing the same things.

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So I think those two would be the biggest challenges.

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Thank you for being here today.

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I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is going to get more and more fun.

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We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show.

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And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.