Tell me about your vision.
So my vision is to support people to really be their best selves across every aspect of their lives.
And I work with people in a really holistic whole person perspective.
So I'm as interested in how you show up and the legacy that you leave in your working life
as much as who you are and how you show up in every other aspect of your life as a partner,
as a parent, if you're a parent, sibling, son, daughter, friend, community leader.
Because it's so important that we look at the whole person.
And I think that COVID really shone a spotlight that we can't just invest and focus on people
into how they show up and who they are as a leader professionally, but it's the whole person that counts.
And if you're bringing your, if you're flourishing and thriving in your personal life,
you bring that energy and joy and success to your working life.
So that it's a different perspective that I bring in my leadership and wellbeing programs in the corporate world.
But I think it's very needed. And finally, corporates are actually getting that,
that it's worth it for them to invest in the whole person.
Tell me more about that.
So traditionally, because I've worked as a, I'm a corporate lawyer, I'm a Gustalt psychotherapist by training.
But the last 25 years, I've worked in the consulting space around leadership.
And in the past, companies have only been interested in investing in their people
into who they are as a professional and how they're showing up professionally
and supporting them to be the best leader at work, but not in any other aspect of their life.
And then through COVID, we saw all the mental health issues.
And then we saw when, when, when people weren't, especially in Melbourne,
we had the second longest lockdown in the world after China.
And so we could only see people on Zoom for two years, nearly two years.
And so people had to bring more of who they really were.
You could see their family or their pets or how they really were going through those two years.
And there was so much kind of chaos and, as I said, suffering,
mental health suffering that companies now realize.
And I see it globally because I work a lot in London as well and Asia, a little bit in New York,
that the whole person needs to be invested in if companies want to get the best out of them at work.
And I think it's really healthy and it's really, it's really fresh.
It's really great to see.
You're, you're spot on, spot on with what you just said.
If I were to ask you, where did this vision exactly come from,
where you figured this part out about, you know,
like people need to focus other things as well apart from just from professional environment?
Yeah, that's a good question.
I think working with different consultancies and only focusing,
so running other people's programs on people in their professional lives
made me realize that there's a big opportunity.
Combined with my experience as a psychotherapist and working very deeply with people and,
and, you know, all the joys, but also all the suffering that they carried
and seeing how that impacted every aspect of their life.
It, yeah, that became very apparent and very important to me.
And so about 10 years ago, I decided that I wanted to start my own consulting business
and really focus on the whole person and also bring together the intersection of leadership,
mental health and well-being, because most companies,
they have programs or strategies in place to support their people around mental health
and then in another area around leadership.
And I wanted to combine the two because a really strong foundation of leadership is strong mental health.
You know, you can't have one without the other.
And companies weren't thinking in a holistic perspective.
So with my different experience, that became very apparent to me.
It feels very natural to me, actually.
It feels just very authentic to do it like that.
It feels strange to kind of silo those two things.
What are some of the biggest challenges you see leaders face when you're consulting them?
I'd say 80% of my work is with FEMA leaders.
And it's kind of a bit of a trope, but it's true.
Really lacking in confidence and self-belief.
I would say that's the biggest challenge.
And what's the reason behind that?
In our culture, women are more socialized to please and to defer to others and serve and look after others.
So we're less invested and attuned to ourself.
So that's probably the biggest challenge that I see even amongst very senior leaders.
That would be the number one challenge.
The number two is carrying and holding all the different parts of everybody's life.
So for men and women and all genders, the pace of life and the pace of business is so fast.
We look after our mental health, our physical health, our family, our work.
Most people are just so fast on the hamster wheel.
And just taking the time out to reflect on what's important to them and where they want to invest more of their time and energy is huge for people.
But it's so important because otherwise we just keep on doing the same things.
So I think those two would be the biggest challenges.
Thank you for being here today.
I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.
I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward.
This is going to get more and more fun.
We'll have more and more engagement as well.
We'll invite people to participate in the show.
And thank you for giving us your time and attention.
Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.