1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,680 Tell me about your vision. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,200 OK, I'm living my vision. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,640 I wrote a book called From Mountains to Medicine, 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,400 Scaling the Heights in Search of My Calling. 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,680 It's on audio, Kindle, and paperback. 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,720 And it's about my 10-year journey trying 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,960 to find what my purpose is in life. 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:28,160 And I finally, after 10 years, realized my purpose 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,720 was right in front of my nose. 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,720 I come from a lineage of doctors from Switzerland. 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:41,920 But I didn't think that maybe I had a false idea of what 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,600 it was to be a doctor, because I never went to doctors, 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,480 because I was very healthy. 14 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:49,160 And the only doctor I knew was my uncle 15 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:52,720 in Switzerland, who is like a genius and way 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,560 50 years ahead of his time treating people 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,520 with terminal illnesses and successfully and stuff. 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,600 So I had this misconception that you 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,480 had to be a genius to be a doctor. 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,480 So I didn't even consider it. 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,680 And then as part of my 10-year journey, 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,160 when I was getting my master's degree 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,560 in experiential education, I decided 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,600 to take some science classes. 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,720 Because when I went to college, 30 years before that, 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,800 I tested out of all my requirements, 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,240 because I had such a good education back in Germany, 28 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,120 where I went to high school. 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,120 And so then I thought, well, I missed out on so much, 30 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,720 because new developments and stuff. 31 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,960 So I decided to sign up for this advanced placement biology 32 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:45,720 and chemistry course. 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,880 And I was, of course, 10 years older than all the students. 34 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,800 And to my shock, I discovered that everyone 35 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,440 in that class, except for me, was pre-med. 36 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:03,120 And that's when I had a realization, like an epiphany. 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,200 These people who are future doctors were not geniuses. 38 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,200 They weren't brilliant. 39 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,040 They were really good at memorizing things 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,600 and spitting back the answers and taking standardized tests. 41 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,560 So I thought, oh my god, I've been 42 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,200 under this misperception for all this time. 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,960 And that's when I realized, yeah, being a doctor 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,040 is my calling. 45 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,160 And so I got into medical school. 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,880 And gradually, I realized that this 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,200 isn't the kind of healing that I had hoped to be engaged with. 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,320 It was very pharmaceutical-oriented, 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:54,760 very sort of corporatized, sort of politically infused 50 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,000 with an agenda that the pharmaceutical company wanted 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,480 to impress upon us, that everything 52 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,400 can be cured with a pill. 53 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,120 And I was so dissatisfied. 54 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,440 And this is not my idea of real healing. 55 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,400 And so I eventually went. 56 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,160 I left mainstream medicine and went on my own 57 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,760 and practiced according to the way 58 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,560 I thought was the best way to help heal patients. 59 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:30,520 And it was the most meaningful experience of my life 60 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,360 and has been for the last over 30 years, practicing this way. 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,320 So I am living my vision. 62 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:42,640 I am helping people get well. 63 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,760 I mean, really well. 64 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,480 I'm not about treating symptoms and stuff like that. 65 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,040 I mean, yes, treating symptoms if we absolutely cannot find 66 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,800 the underlying causes. 67 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,200 And so people ended up coming from all over the country 68 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,240 because they couldn't get the help they needed. 69 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,680 And a lot of their problems were things 70 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,800 that doctors never learned in med school, 71 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,920 like the nutrition, like the terrible nutrition 72 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,000 that Americans eat is just awful. 73 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,800 And they never talked about that in med school. 74 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,480 Nothing, nothing. 75 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,280 And that's so important. 76 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:20,040 But back then, they lifestyle, they 77 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,680 didn't pay any attention to that, which was ridiculous. 78 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,080 And then the second thing is toxins. 79 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,520 They don't teach you anything about toxic chemicals 80 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,920 and what they do to you. 81 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:36,440 They don't teach you anything about food sensitivities, 82 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,760 allergies, and stuff like that. 83 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,000 So they teach you the classical allergy thing 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,800 where they do skin testing, but then they miss out 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,800 most of the real problems. 86 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,640 And Lyme disease, mold problems, occult infections, 87 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,560 we never learned any of that stuff. 88 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,720 And that's what's happening. 89 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,360 That's what's really getting to people. 90 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:04,000 It's affecting their cognitive abilities, their energy. 91 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,240 They're tired all the time, have insomnia and stuff. 92 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,720 And then their mainstream doctor just gives them 93 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,840 a pill for each symptom. 94 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:15,240 It's so disturbing to me. 95 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,320 But anyway, so my vision was always 96 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,200 to make a difference in the world. 97 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,080 So you take what you're gifted at. 98 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,640 I'm gifted at this thing. 99 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,320 It comes naturally to me. 100 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,040 You take what you're good at and what you enjoy doing, 101 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,840 and you do it even if you weren't paid for 102 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:40,400 because you enjoy it so much, but you want to be paid for, 103 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,480 and in service to others. 104 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:49,880 And so I am living what I always wanted to do. 105 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:55,520 And I can't tell you how meaningful it is for me 106 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,600 and how much joy it brings to me to help people feel better 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,840 in a real way, not from pills. 108 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:05,760 Harry, does that make sense to you? 109 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:12,600 Well, you spoke to me, and I kid you not. 110 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,400 All the things that you just said, 111 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,800 I fully, heartedly believe all that. 112 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,160 This Kool-Aid of going to doctors 113 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,200 and seeing and curing symptoms. 114 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,680 I am an immigrant. 115 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,880 I moved from India. 116 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,440 And I don't know if you've been to India. 117 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,560 Oh, yes, I've been to India. 118 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,360 I worked in a hospital near Dehradun. 119 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:46,360 And I'm going to write about it in book number three. 120 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,400 This is my second memoir, and it's a trilogy. 121 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,680 And the third one will include my time in India, 122 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,760 which was profoundly impactful. 123 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,000 But go ahead, Harry. 124 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,800 I interrupted you. 125 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,400 What was your goal for being on the show? 126 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,560 I love educating people. 127 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,680 In fact, that was my first career. 128 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,160 I wrote it in my first memoir about my time 129 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,200 with the Navajo people. 130 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,280 You know the Navajos, you know Native Americans. 131 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,720 And this was 53 years ago. 132 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,520 I was a schoolteacher. 133 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:31,280 And during my 10-year search for my purpose, each thing I did, 134 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:36,880 like Peace Corps and outbound teaching students and so forth, 135 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:42,840 and then teaching on the Navajo reservation, in each place 136 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,680 I realized that I am an educator at heart. 137 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,000 And I'm that kind of educator as a doctor, too. 138 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,160 I'm not willing to say, do this and do that like I'm the boss, 139 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,760 and you do what I say and don't ask questions. 140 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,440 I think that's disgusting, that approach. 141 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,520 I, when a patient comes to me, I educate them. 142 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,800 I tell them why the diet makes a difference. 143 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,680 I tell them why this supplement might do this and that. 144 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,720 I don't just say take it. 145 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,280 I don't do that. 146 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:23,880 So as an educator, I'm looking for every possibility 147 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,320 to educate the public. 148 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,120 If they want to be educated, I learned the hard way 149 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:37,920 that you only, my son reminded me of this because he said, 150 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,400 Mom, you want to help everybody. 151 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,400 Some people don't want to be helped. 152 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,920 And Mom, you should stick with just people 153 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,480 who come to you for help and pay you for help. 154 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,520 They pay you so they have skin in the game. 155 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,600 And they're not just getting free care, 156 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,880 which they can just blow off and not take seriously. 157 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,440 And he's right. 158 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,520 He's absolutely right. 159 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:09,160 I should share my gifts with people who ask me to. 160 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,280 But there's a lot of people out there 161 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,560 that don't know this stuff. 162 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:18,920 And I would love to share with people 163 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:27,920 who are interested in learning how to be healthy. 164 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,880 I want to share one of my stories. 165 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,040 And it just came to my head. 166 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,800 This happened when COVID started. 167 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,960 And during COVID, I think a lot of people woke up. 168 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,720 And a lot of people drank the Kool-Aid. 169 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,880 So there was a big polarity of things. 170 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,520 During that time, one of my friends, 171 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,640 I was living in Virginia at that time, 172 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:53,160 he mentioned that we should not be drinking or eating 173 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,080 the beef that's usually on the shelves of things. 174 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,840 I'm like, why the heck would you say that? 175 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,000 What's the issue behind that? 176 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,320 And I was drinking the Kool-Aid. 177 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,640 I'm like, I don't care about those things. 178 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,800 And he said, yeah, my mom is having so much issues 179 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,480 because she can't handle that. 180 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,400 She can't handle the milk that we drink. 181 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:11,800 She can't handle all these things 182 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,400 from the grocery stores we have. 183 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,800 And I'm like, wow, that's something fascinating. 184 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,440 That opened the door, even though I brushed it off. 185 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,440 But that one statement that he shared with me 186 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,200 opened the door to curiosity. 187 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,080 And a lot of times, that doesn't go anywhere. 188 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,920 For me, it opened the door. 189 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,520 And eventually, I went down the road 190 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,240 where I got more and more curious and learned. 191 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,160 And I learned. 192 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,440 And then I was like, learned. 193 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,560 And then I'm like, do I want to believe this? 194 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:46,360 Or do I not want to believe this? 195 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,560 So I went down that path. 196 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:49,760 And I hope that from our segment, 197 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,840 some of these listeners at least have that, 198 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,520 if they're not ready, that they are able to get ready. 199 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:56,360 Yeah. 200 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:56,880 Yeah. 201 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,400 Yeah. 202 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,960 I hope that helps. 203 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,800 My next question for you, Erica, and we probably 204 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,360 will run out of time soon. 205 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:16,600 But my next question for you is, where are you 206 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,240 going with your vision? 207 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:24,320 I'm going the same place I've been for 30 years. 208 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,520 And I never lose inspiration. 209 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:33,680 And so I'm always heading towards more and more 210 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:38,080 how I can help more people who want to be helped. 211 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,600 And that's why I'm on your show. 212 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,240 I mean, that's why I want to be on your show, 213 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:50,400 is to fulfill my vision of being of service in the best way 214 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,920 possible that reaches the most people who 215 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,160 want to learn these things. 216 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,120 I really get it that it's a waste of time 217 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,400 talking to people who don't want to get it, not interested. 218 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,040 I get it. 219 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,480 Thank you for being here today. 220 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,880 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 221 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,520 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions 222 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,800 as these episodes continue to move forward. 223 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,480 This is going to get more and more fun. 224 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,400 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 225 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,440 We'll invite people to participate in the show. 226 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,800 And thank you for giving us your time and attention. 227 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,520 Have an excellent time building out your vision 228 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:38,480 and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.