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how did you get started in all this and writing the book and you're like, yeah,

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I want to go help people out. Like, how did you get started with your vision?

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Our church had a advertisement in the bulletin in 1982,

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before you were born. And, and it said, you know,

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we're going to have a meeting to initiate a financial education ministry.

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And I looked at that in the bulletin and I thought, well, that's different.

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You know, I'm going to have to go to that meeting.

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So I went to that meeting and I was really interested in it, what they had to say.

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And so I became part of that and then became a leader in it.

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And so then I learned a lot of things about what God said about money that I had

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never known before.

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I had no clue that God said so much about money. As a matter of fact,

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there's over a 2,350 verses in the Holy Bible that talk about money more than

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any other subject, more than any other subject is about money. Isn't that interesting?

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So I thought, you know, I need to find out some of this stuff.

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And so I got into it and I was really pleased with this one author that I got

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to know personally, his name is Howard Dayton,

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and he wrote several books and I, and, and, and, and wrote some classes.

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And I was really,

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and enchanted really, I was really enthused and pleased by the

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classes. I took one and just, and it just kind of lit my fire.

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And so then I, then I began leading classes myself.

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And so I've led over 50 classes myself.

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And then, then along the way,

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I saw these people that are having all these difficulties and they needed more

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than just a class or they needed, or, or, or they, or they,

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or they wouldn't take a class, they need coaching.

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And so, you know, I could provide that.

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So I took a little class on how to do that.

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And so I began doing that.