So last I heard in your talk with Jackson,
your overall vision was to help people.
Is that still along the same track
or has things changed a little bit?
I know it's a problem.
It's along the exact same track because,
I think I shared the last time that,
my transition out of the military,
even though I thought it was gonna be great,
was far from that.
And I think I like doing what I do
because I found that not just, not only the military,
but people have the same challenges.
And when you transition out of the military,
you're basically going from one system completely
to another system, right?
And then when people are out of work,
they've been doing great or what have you.
But the last time that they used their abilities
to get a job, everything kind of morphs
and stuff changes faster now than it did in the past.
It absolutely does.
There's no doubt about that.
So let's talk about how you went from military
into your career.
How did you, what resources are you pulling from,
going from being as into the military as you were?
I'm not sure which branch were you in actually.
I was in the army.
Okay, so what from the army carried over to you
into your day-to-day career?
What I think that I finally learned,
and you have to go through a process to finally,
where the universe kind of says,
hey Joe, this might be your thing,
you ought to check it out.
And so what I found was as an executive search
kind of recruiter, when I was helping people
with LinkedIn and their resumes,
my wife told me, she says,
you sound like you're developing officers in the army.
And so then what happened was it was just a big blinding
flash that said, wow, all I've been doing
for my entire military career is developing people.
And when I say that, as a leader,
you have a responsibility to try to help your subordinates
to get to their next school,
to get to their next assignment,
to help them with their next promotion, right?
And it's really no different in the civil sector.
People are going through a process and change occurs,
and what do you need to equip that individual
with to help them achieve their goals?
And I say that because it's different for everybody.
Some people wanna change sectors,
some people wanna pivot,
some people are in a job and they don't like it,
and they want to go to another job.
And then there are people in between,
they just want to find their next opportunity.
And all of those require slightly different strategies.
So I found it's very individualistic in nature,
because a lot of times people will call me and say,
well, I wanna get in your master class.
And I say, well, I don't really have a master class
because everybody's different
and different people do different things different ways.
So I'm not knocking that,
but what I've found is if I was working with you,
I really wanna know you as an individual
and about what you want,
not what I think or a group thinks that you want,
and then map out the tactics and procedures
for you to be able to get what you want.
Yeah, creating a personalized strategy
for what their goals are.
Well, there's no point in trying to bend them.
Yeah, absolutely.
And secondly, this is a lot of work.
And they've got to be all in.
And so if, and I found nobody's all in
and something that's really not theirs.
That's fair.
Yeah, if it's not their idea
or they don't feel like it's helping them out,
they're not gonna put any effort forward.
And that's just human nature.
You don't think it's worth it.
You just cut it out.
Right, and it takes a lot of hard work.
Yeah, I believe you.
I absolutely believe you.
I'm curious, what's your why behind going out
and helping people?
What sparked that to wanna go out and help everybody else
with what they're doing, what their goals are?
Well, what I see is, okay,
I'm at a stage in my life where, okay,
I've already been there, done that,
got the merit badges.
And people say, well, Joe, you have a lot of wisdom.
I said, well, you know how you get wisdom
from a lot of failure.
Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, no joke.
And I always go back to what I said
is my transition out of the military
was an absolute disaster.
And it was self-inflicted.
It wasn't anybody else's problem.
It was mine, but it took me a little while
to get my head wrapped around that and everything else.
And so if you have this knowledge
and you have this experience,
and the other thing I would tell everybody is,
I've coached 725 people,
but I've probably learned more from those 725
than they learned from me.
So I've modified, I've learned, I've adapted,
based on trial and error.
So that's kind of my why.
Okay, I've been down the road.
I've seen where the trees are falling.
Some we got to cut through,
some we got to just walk around.
But each one of them is uniquely different
to anybody that's on their path.
Absolutely.
And it's funny that you use the term,
some trees you got to cut through,
some trees you just got to walk around
because every path is just going to be different paved
depending on what the destiny is,
what the destination is rather.
Right, and it's a journey.
And I tell people, I says,
you got to commit to the journey.
You say, what do you mean?
Yeah.
Because they think that it's just a destination.
And I said, you'll get what you want, right?
But are you thinking through the next move
on the chessboard?
Because life is a chessboard and it's got moves.
And sometimes you take a beating,
sometimes you give a beating, but it's all the same.
You're still having to adjust.
And move forward.
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