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So last I heard in your talk with Jackson,

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your overall vision was to help people.

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Is that still along the same track

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or has things changed a little bit?

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I know it's a problem.

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It's along the exact same track because,

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I think I shared the last time that,

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my transition out of the military,

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even though I thought it was gonna be great,

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was far from that.

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And I think I like doing what I do

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because I found that not just, not only the military,

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but people have the same challenges.

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And when you transition out of the military,

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you're basically going from one system completely

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to another system, right?

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And then when people are out of work,

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they've been doing great or what have you.

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But the last time that they used their abilities

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to get a job, everything kind of morphs

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and stuff changes faster now than it did in the past.

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It absolutely does.

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There's no doubt about that.

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So let's talk about how you went from military

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into your career.

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How did you, what resources are you pulling from,

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going from being as into the military as you were?

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I'm not sure which branch were you in actually.

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I was in the army.

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Okay, so what from the army carried over to you

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into your day-to-day career?

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What I think that I finally learned,

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and you have to go through a process to finally,

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where the universe kind of says,

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hey Joe, this might be your thing,

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you ought to check it out.

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And so what I found was as an executive search

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kind of recruiter, when I was helping people

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with LinkedIn and their resumes,

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my wife told me, she says,

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you sound like you're developing officers in the army.

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And so then what happened was it was just a big blinding

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flash that said, wow, all I've been doing

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for my entire military career is developing people.

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And when I say that, as a leader,

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you have a responsibility to try to help your subordinates

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to get to their next school,

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to get to their next assignment,

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to help them with their next promotion, right?

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And it's really no different in the civil sector.

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People are going through a process and change occurs,

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and what do you need to equip that individual

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with to help them achieve their goals?

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And I say that because it's different for everybody.

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Some people wanna change sectors,

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some people wanna pivot,

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some people are in a job and they don't like it,

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and they want to go to another job.

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And then there are people in between,

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they just want to find their next opportunity.

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And all of those require slightly different strategies.

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So I found it's very individualistic in nature,

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because a lot of times people will call me and say,

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well, I wanna get in your master class.

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And I say, well, I don't really have a master class

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because everybody's different

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and different people do different things different ways.

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So I'm not knocking that,

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but what I've found is if I was working with you,

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I really wanna know you as an individual

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and about what you want,

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not what I think or a group thinks that you want,

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and then map out the tactics and procedures

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for you to be able to get what you want.

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Yeah, creating a personalized strategy

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for what their goals are.

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Well, there's no point in trying to bend them.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And secondly, this is a lot of work.

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And they've got to be all in.

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And so if, and I found nobody's all in

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and something that's really not theirs.

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That's fair.

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Yeah, if it's not their idea

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or they don't feel like it's helping them out,

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they're not gonna put any effort forward.

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And that's just human nature.

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You don't think it's worth it.

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You just cut it out.

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Right, and it takes a lot of hard work.

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Yeah, I believe you.

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I absolutely believe you.

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I'm curious, what's your why behind going out

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and helping people?

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What sparked that to wanna go out and help everybody else

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with what they're doing, what their goals are?

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Well, what I see is, okay,

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I'm at a stage in my life where, okay,

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I've already been there, done that,

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got the merit badges.

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And people say, well, Joe, you have a lot of wisdom.

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I said, well, you know how you get wisdom

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from a lot of failure.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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Yeah, no joke.

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And I always go back to what I said

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is my transition out of the military

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was an absolute disaster.

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And it was self-inflicted.

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It wasn't anybody else's problem.

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It was mine, but it took me a little while

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to get my head wrapped around that and everything else.

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And so if you have this knowledge

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and you have this experience,

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and the other thing I would tell everybody is,

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I've coached 725 people,

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but I've probably learned more from those 725

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than they learned from me.

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So I've modified, I've learned, I've adapted,

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based on trial and error.

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So that's kind of my why.

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Okay, I've been down the road.

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I've seen where the trees are falling.

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Some we got to cut through,

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some we got to just walk around.

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But each one of them is uniquely different

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to anybody that's on their path.

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Absolutely.

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And it's funny that you use the term,

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some trees you got to cut through,

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some trees you just got to walk around

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because every path is just going to be different paved

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depending on what the destiny is,

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what the destination is rather.

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Right, and it's a journey.

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And I tell people, I says,

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you got to commit to the journey.

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You say, what do you mean?

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Yeah.

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Because they think that it's just a destination.

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And I said, you'll get what you want, right?

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But are you thinking through the next move

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on the chessboard?

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Because life is a chessboard and it's got moves.

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And sometimes you take a beating,

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sometimes you give a beating, but it's all the same.

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You're still having to adjust.

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And move forward.

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Thank you for being here today.

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