How did you get started?
How did you begin with your coaching?
I got started with my coaching after sort of 20 or 25 years
in management consulting around
real estate development internationally.
So I had been traveling and working all over the world
for 20 or 25 years, maybe 20 at the time.
And it was interesting.
I was working with clients
that really couldn't seem to grasp
how the world was changing,
how rapidly it was changing and how they needed to adapt.
So I found myself kind of just intuitively
doing a lot of coaching with people,
a lot of coaching with leaders or business owners,
founders and entrepreneurs
to kind of coach them into this idea
of a wider angle lens on the world, what is happening,
how do you sell, market, communicate to people
that in the age of knowledge, in the age of the internet,
in the age of information.
And I realized that I needed to go back to school
so it wouldn't take three months
for somebody to figure out how to do a brand promise
or how to dive deep into a meaningful brand
and an expression of the brand or a sales strategy.
So I went back to school and said,
I need to learn how to be a coach
because most of the time in sort of sales,
marketing, branding and communications,
at least the stuff that I was doing,
I was coaching people on how you needed
to do things differently,
how because of the world we're living in,
people were no longer responding to garbage marketing
and to sort of the old cliches
that you just couldn't do the same garbage anymore.
So I just started really as a tool
for my consulting business.
And over time, maybe I also wanted to travel less,
the real estate development stuff,
I just started to do less of it
and I really started to do more coaching
and I kind of grew into it over the last six years.
So it wasn't like a clean,
finish something and start something else.
It was kind of an evolution, I guess.
Yeah, I wanna ask you this
because I was scrolling through your website
before we jumped on this
and I saw this title of self versus shelf development.
And I thought that was it.
It was a very nice headline.
I was like, that is interesting.
I wanna talk about that.
Can you give us a little snippet
about what is self versus shelf?
Absolutely.
So shelf development is when you decide to go on a journey,
to become a more spiritual being
or to become, I don't know, just more aware,
whatever you want.
But I know that for 10 or 15 years,
I was doing shelf development.
So I was reading everything.
Joe Dispenza, Eckhart Tolle,
I mean, there's someone there in the back.
I mean, my house is full of books.
I've read them all, right?
Brene Brown, et cetera, et cetera.
You know the suspects, right?
Yeah.
I never really internalized it.
All of those teachings and all of those learnings,
I really didn't get it until a couple of years ago.
And so that's why I speak about shelf development being,
yeah, okay, I've read it,
but self development is, did you embody it?
Is it in your heart and mind and soul, right?
So that's the difference.
It's beyond reading or listening for audible,
but it's really taking it beyond the pages
and into your heart and soul.
And that doesn't come naturally necessarily.
It's, yeah, it takes something.
But I think if you're aware of it,
you can begin to think, okay,
well, how does this really apply to me?
How am I gonna bring this into my life
and into my body as opposed to going,
oh, wow, that's another cool self-help book
and the seven habits of this and 10 habits of that, right?
So that was the transition for me.
I like it.
I feel like it's a double part,
like self-help, obviously self-development
and then shelf development.
You're either storing this knowledge and not using it,
putting it in the back and you're forgetting about it,
or in real life, you're stocking your shelves
and what are you doing with this information?
You're just sitting it on your bookshelf.
You're just developing your own shelf.
And I thought it was a double part.
I was like, that is really cool.
Yeah, get it into your body, man.
Body and mind and soul.
That's when all that stuff will work better for you.
Why do leaders hide from funding their vision?
Sure, so why do leaders hide from funding their vision?
I think the answer is fear, first of all.
And the second part of the answer is a disconnect
with the relationship they have with money
and the energy of money.
And this is maybe self-to-shelf development, right?
There is a relationship that you need to have
with the energy of money that is more pure
and fearless than most people have, okay?
And we've all been taught
to have a very dysfunctional relationship with money, okay?
And ask the wrong questions and ask for the wrong things
and never really dream big, bigger, bigger,
go for it, unlimited, right?
We live in this world of limitations, right?
And being told that there are limits to things
and that we're running out of this
and we're running out of that.
And this isn't enough and that isn't enough.
And that's just all not true.
We are living in a world of expansion
and light and joy and love and really super abundance.
So I think, why do leaders hide from their vision?
I think they're scared.
I think they're not having the right conversation
with money, money is an energy
and you should be having a dialogue with it.
And the last part of that is probably,
so often we will have a layer of positivity
on top of a vat of negativity, right?
So we'll tell ourselves, oh, I wanna do this,
I wanna do this thing, right?
But then when we go to sleep or we're sitting
and we're quiet, there's this vat,
this barrel of stories that we're telling ourselves
that say, well, we can't do that, okay?
And that's why part of my sort of individual
coaching practices, deconstruct to reconstruct, right?
Let's break down those stories that are not serving you,
okay, and build up new ones that are.
Thank you for being here today.
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Have an excellent time building out your vision
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