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Fletcher Ellingson, tell me about your vision.

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Yeah, so my vision is very succinct.

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It's, I envision a world with less suffering,

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much more kindness, much more connection,

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and much more joy, and that's my vision for,

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that I wanna live into.

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I wanna be a part of that.

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I love that.

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I'm gonna take that and combine it

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with one of my favorite books, Radical Candor.

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I have a feeling you've come across that before.

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I actually haven't.

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I'm gonna-

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Oh, I'm excited, man.

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I'm excited.

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So we both have some study to do.

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I'm gonna be studying on your book,

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and I hope that you,

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I'll send you the little seven minute YouTube clip

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so you can speed through it.

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Right on, Radical Candor.

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Yep, and so she's got this quadrant,

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and on one side of the quadrant,

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there's four different, rather, layers of this.

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Radical Candor is about giving people feedback

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that they may not wanna hear, but doing so with love.

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Right, helping people understand the value moving forward.

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On the opposite spectrum of that,

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somebody who cares about an individual

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but refuses to give feedback when they need it,

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she calls that ruinous empathy,

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and it's often camouflaged in the form of kindness.

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I've, I used to kinda hate on kindness quite a bit

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because I'm not a big fan of kindness that ends up,

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oh yeah, you'll be okay, don't worry.

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The cliff's right in front of you, but it's your life.

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That's not kindness to me.

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So let's talk through that.

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What is kindness to you?

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What does that mean to you as a leader?

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Oh boy, this is one of my favorite concepts, actually.

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And I'm with you, I'm not about false kindness.

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So the way I define kindness is,

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kindness is friendliness, generosity, consideration,

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and the willingness to offer assistance

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without the need for praise or acknowledgement.

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Okay, so it's very specific, right?

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I like that, I agree with that.

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I would add on my side, with permission.

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Yes, yeah.

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Or, you know what, not even with permission,

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sorry, I'm gonna reframe mine.

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I would say, with respect for agency.

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There you go, yeah.

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Respect for agency.

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Yeah, and you know, cause in my opinion,

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kindness, gosh, you know, it just,

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it unites instead of divides.

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It heals instead of injures, right?

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I mean, it feels good to give it,

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it feels good to receive it,

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and it feels good to be around it.

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I really believe that kindness is powerful.

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And you know, you mentioned radical candor,

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and I love that concept of being radical in your life,

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taking a radical responsibility for your life.

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is simply a departure from the norm,

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a departure from what is usual.

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And so that might be a very small tweak,

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or it could be something very big,

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but it's a departure from what is norm.

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Oh, I like that a lot.

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Oh, that's super fun.

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I gotta get, now I gotta get in touch

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with the author of Radical Candor

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and get you guys in touch.

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Oh, that would be too fun

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to see you guys bring those concepts together.

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So as we explore this a bit further,

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where did your vision come from?

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Oh, I mean, on this whole process of kindness

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and the practice of feeling good, et cetera.

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Walk us through. Yeah.

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So the vision for that came from

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just being the recipient of kindness,

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being the recipient of help and guidance

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from other people who, boy,

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I mean, again, talk about kindness.

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They didn't have to take me under their wing.

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They didn't have to show me kindness,

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but somebody did.

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Somebody believed that there was value in me,

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and they took time to extend that kindness.

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They extend, they, many people actually took time

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to extend that radical candor that we were discussing,

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where, and I love it.

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Like, I do not want to be surrounded

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by a bunch of yes people.

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Please, let me know what's working and what's not working.

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Let me know where I can improve, honestly,

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because I mean, the only way to evolve in this life

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is to get that feedback

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and to engage in this fun game of self-inquiry.

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And so I got it, but I will tell you this.

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It started when I was in third grade.

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It was either third or fourth.

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We all piled in the gymnasium,

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and his name was Wayne Bradberg.

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And I don't remember much about it,

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except that at the end of the,

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I mean, he was an inspirational, motivational speaker,

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so he had lots of good stories, I'm sure.

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a reflective sticker to put on your jacket

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or your lunch pail or your bike or whatever.

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so I saw it every day.

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And there was a seed planted there,

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because on that sticker that I saw every single day,

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it said, start your day with PMA, positive mental attitude.

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was expect something wonderful to happen.

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So he planted that seed.

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The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peale.

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I was super interested in this.

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I didn't know what was called personal development

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or personal evolution at the time,

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but I was calling it positive thinking, right?

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But I was interested, so it started there

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many, many years ago.

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And fast forward 2021 during COVID,

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where when I switched online

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to doing my TV show online from home,

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I actually found Wayne Bradberg,

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the guy from my third grade experience.

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He was up in Alaska in his 80s,

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and I had him on my show.

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Yeah, so it all came full circle

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and I got to send him a copy of my book.

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And he was just like, oh my gosh, I cannot believe

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like that seed that was planted, you know, 30, 40,

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I actually know 40 plus years ago,

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sprouted and grew, right?

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That's amazing.

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And now when you get to talk to him the next time,

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I'm thinking he's still around.

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He's still making noise.

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So you have to tell him that I know somebody

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who also uses the PMA concept.

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I don't know if he gave credit though.

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but ask me afterwards.

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I'll tell you who I know that's leading with PMA.

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I'll have to find out if he is or not.

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I just may have forgotten that part of the story,

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but yeah, we'll talk about Mike afterwards.

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All right, so I want to switch gears.

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I'm almost not at all.

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We're going to go into one more segment.

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And on this one, I want to know,

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you've told me about where it came from,

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how it all got started, this path, which is awesome.

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And how did you get started?

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So, I mean, going into this to where, you know,

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you've got your book, you've got your TV show.

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Where would you say it officially started

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where you started to really like dedicate,

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you do this, you do what you do full-time?

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I do, yeah.

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Yeah, I'm very, very fortunate to be able to do it full-time.

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And I love it.

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And you have a wife, Dr. Amy, is that correct?

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Am I making a sound here?

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I do, yes.

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Did I get something wrong?

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No, you got it.

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Yeah, yeah, my wife.

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I go over to her church and I was like,

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this could go awkward, but.

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Yeah, yeah, no, she's, yeah.

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My wife's a family physician.

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And that's been wonderful for us.

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We've been able to co-lead seminars together

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and do some really cool things, marrying our skillsets.

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That's amazing.

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Okay, so yeah, I'm all ears now.

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How did you guys get started with all that?

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I've always been an entrepreneur, two things.

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I've always been an entrepreneur

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and I've always been really fascinated

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by personal development.

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And so I've started many businesses.

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One of them crashed and burned really hard,

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like ball of fire hit the ground and nothing left.

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to my current wife, Amy, but we were a family of five.

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after the business crashed.

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We just had to walk away from it

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and we had over $20,000 worth of credit card debt, right?

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Not the good kind of debt.

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and we were so destitute that we were on food stamps

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and nothing against food stamps.

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Love that they're there for when people are in need of them.

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You're in need.

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Yep, but I got up to the counter

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and I went to pay for the food that I had with food stamps.

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and I remember just how that felt.

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there were the physical coupons.

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oh, these coupons don't cover these specific items

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that you're trying to purchase.

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And I just remember like feeling humiliated, embarrassed.

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I had to take things off.

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Yes, exactly, right?

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And so I was just, in that moment,

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I decided I will never be in this position ever again.

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I will never be behind financially.

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I will always be ahead.

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And in that moment, I made that powerful decision.

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into personal development.

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I mean, I just started reading

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and listening to everything, right?

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Courses and CDs and tapes and books and going to seminars.

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And as a result, we cranked up

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quite an incredible technology business at the time.

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And I was traveling all over the world

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and I was getting into,

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I was speaking in front of thousands of people a year.

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And it was there that I realized a couple of different things.

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One of them was my superpower.

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And that superpower is a superpower that humans all share.

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It's our ability to recognize patterns.

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Pattern recognition, I believe,

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is one of the superpowers of the human species.

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And because I was interfacing with so many people

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on a regular basis, I began to see the same patterns

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over and over and over again.

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And even though I wasn't in an official coaching capacity,

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I found myself coaching my clients

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and not about the product that we were selling,

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but about their mindset.

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Huge, huge, huge, huge.

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I hope everybody's listening to that.

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Mindset, mindset, mindset, go ahead.

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Right.

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And so I just kept on finding myself doing that

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more and more.

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And then I started my coaching business.

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And then at some point I was just like, you know what?

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This is what I've always wanted to do.

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In fact, I got my degree in biblical studies at one point

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because I was gonna go into the ministry, right?

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And I wanted to be a source of contribution

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or help or something, right?

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And so-

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Too divine that you mentioned that.

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So are you Christian?

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Is that, or Jewish, or what do you follow?

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Well, I'm a very spiritual person.

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Yeah, and I subscribe to a lot of different thoughts.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But it was that point where I was like,

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this is what I'm gonna do.

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And so I left that business after 15 years

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and haven't looked back and just having an absolute blast.

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Okay, excellent.

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There's so much wisdom and truth that was just divulged

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and uncovered in a short time.

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We're almost gonna wrap up on that.

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Vision pros, I'm at a thought I wanna give as well,

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Fletcher, the opportunity to debate or say,

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hey, I'm with you on that.

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It's kind of a perspective for some of you out there

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who have not had the fortune of being able

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to gain control in your finances, right?

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And when I say not have the fortune,

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I almost agree completely, Fletcher,

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with the idea that I will never allow myself

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to be in that financial hole,

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that financial situation again.

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And I would add the caveat that it will never be my fault

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if I end up there anymore.

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I'm going to make sure to do everything in my power

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to be my best self.

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And for those of you out there who realize that,

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you can't control the environments.

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If I plant a crop, and this is,

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I would say Christianity for me, it makes it easy.

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But even if you're not Christian,

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if I plant crops in the field across from my house

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over there and a tornado comes and wipes it out,

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I don't control the tornado.

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I can diversify my income and do lots of things,

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but even still, there are causes that can come over us

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and really ruin what we're up to.

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So those of you that are celebrating with Fletcher

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and myself and saying, hey, we're gonna do everything we can

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to position ourselves to where we're never

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in that position of need,

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I would add that if you end up there,

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don't beat yourself up over it.

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Don't give up.

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Don't feel like, your external is never the reflection

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of your internal, but it is wonderful when we have it.

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What would you add?

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Would you add any adjustments to that Fletcher?

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Would you say-

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Yeah.

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Sorry, I'm gonna add one more piece and that's it.

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There is a power.

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There is a very big superpower out there,

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a dark force that will give us anything that we want,

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even if it's not good for us.

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And I believe that wholeheartedly.

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So I would be very careful with where we turn

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for the types of answers that we want.

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On my side, I believe there's a light force.

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There's a different force that if I'm willing

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to accept humbly what it's going to give me

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and recognize that what it's going to give me

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is best for my particular needs,

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that's the force that I want on my side in my life.

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So Fletcher, please feel free to wrap this up on your-

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Sure, sure.

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Yeah, I like what you're saying there.

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The only thing I would add is that, yes,

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if it happens in the future,

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it's definitely probably not gonna be my fault

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and I am responsible for it.

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Right?

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So it's just kind of like,

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if I go out into my garage in the morning

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and try to turn the car over and it doesn't start,

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that's not my fault.

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Were you watching me on Sunday?

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No, is that what happened?

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One of my little chips was shortening out.

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So yeah, Sunday morning in the rain there was,

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and you know, God-

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Yes, right?

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So it wasn't your fault,

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but it was still your responsibility.

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Correct.

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Right?

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And so that's why we want to remember,

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it's like one of my mantras for myself

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is I'm resourceful, capable, and flexible.

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Okay?

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Things may not-

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I love that.

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Yeah, things may not be my fault,

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but I'm multi-responsible,

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but because I'm resourceful, capable, flexible,

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if I am those three things,

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I love it.

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then I can get through anything.

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It doesn't mean I have to fix it all,

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but I'm resourceful.

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Maybe I can assemble a team around myself, right?

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That's what you're doing.

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You're assembling a team around your business

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so that it can grow in scale, right?

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You're being resourceful.

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Thank you for being here today.

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I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions

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as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is gonna get more and more fun.

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We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show,

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and thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision

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and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.

