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What is the biggest personal challenge you faced in your journey?

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As I mentioned, getting over dyslexia, dysphaxia, and it ended up being Lyme disease too, were all challenges.

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But like so many challenges, they might seem insurmountable, but when you come out the other side,

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I think we all come out with more skills and power and more ability.

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So in hindsight, I don't regret them. I can't say I liked them until I turned the corner and healed much of those conditions.

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So yeah, those were my challenges. And now they've at least the consequences of them in some ways have become my superpower.

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Okay. Well. So you mentioned in your TED talk, people how guys can be more authentic.

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If you were to summarize that for the segment, how can men be more authentic in their experiences online?

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Well, online and but also just live real interactions. Yeah, I was just teaching a workshop done in L.A.

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and that was actually a co-ed group. And we talked about how if you really want to connect to someone else,

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which is, I guess, to connect to someone else, you got to be authentic. You got to be able to connect to yourself.

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And as humans in this culture, particularly as men, we don't know how to.

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We haven't seen models of how to be authentic, how to really feel what we're feeling.

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Yeah. Emotionally, somatically, which is to stay in our bodies.

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But what I found, and this is what I was teaching this past weekend and these people had the experience of is

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when they could connect to their own experience, emotional and somatic, it was much easier, natural,

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much more natural and actually more fun connecting with other people.

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In part because when you're connected to yourself or you're vulnerable to your own experience,

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you're showing other people somatically or through your physiology that you're safe,

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which fosters more connection and for them to be authentic.

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Thanks for sharing that. When you do go on this show with Jackson, I think he does that.

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He does that to people. He shares experiences in a way where it makes you more vulnerable with him, which is I'm trying to get there.

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So you created a group and it's been going on without you.

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But tell me what has the group, what impact has that specific group had on your life?

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I know you have changed many lives, but what did that group do for you?

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Yeah, I started this last group 20 years ago.

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I started because I wanted more and more authentic friends.

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And I got that. It helped my emotional development and it helped me develop relational skills, more awareness with myself,

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more ability to communicate to others, more ability to sort of hold my own space and feel good about myself,

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to assert myself in ways that were beneficial for myself and others.

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But it also really reaffirmed that my vision of how to foster communication and relationships really works.

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And to the point that, as you mentioned, I'm no longer in a group or in any direct way,

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but the group continues to grow because these men have learned the skills that I taught them and they're teaching other men

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where we're up to probably 500 guys have now gone through the group or in the group and that have applied these skills and changed their lives, in some cases saved lives.

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Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is going to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show. And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.