the new individuals that are kind of wanting to get into investing in real estate properties.
You're helping on the lending side now. I've heard a quote, I'm not a multi-billionaire
by any means, and I've heard a couple of financial advisors talk about how most billionaires
use other people's money in order to buy skyscrapers. They usually love to hype that up and they
don't use their own money. They use other people's money in order to buy the assets
and they get it on a low risk interest and that's how they create their towers and blah,
blah, blah. Don't get me wrong, it sounds right to me. I'm not a billionaire. I don't
know what billionaires actually do. Is that thought and theory one that you've seen play
out as beneficial for investors? Is that something that you endorse or is that something you're
like, no, it's not really how it works? No, I think 100%. That's the difference between
people who are the top elite and we're like multi-millionaires, billionaires, what we
call the unreachable people. They know something and a lot of times they have shared it, but
I feel like the everyday person who is just kind of living paycheck to paycheck, maybe
a little bit more, they have a job that they go to. It's like one of two things. They either
don't believe that they can do it because they don't have the right resources or two,
they think it's like a scam. They're going to get taken advantage of and when you're
talking high levels of money, now high levels of money to somebody who's only earning about
$200,000 a year, high levels of money is $200,000 a year, right? But when you're talking multi-million,
billion, it's like, I can't even fathom that. But when I'm talking with someone who's even
just looking at a house that's maybe worth $200,000 and they can't even come up with
$20,000 down and somebody says, hey, I have money for you. Immediately, our instinct is
kind of like, we want that, but I don't want to be taken advantage of. I don't want to
lose my shirt or I don't want to... I don't care if you lose only $500 or $5, nobody wants
to lose money. So we have this guard up. So then when we do hear good people say wealthy
advice, like you need to do this tax strategy or you need to buy this property, we're just
kind of like, I don't know about that. I don't know why you would want to give me your wisdom.
Well, a lot of these people that are wealthy, they really do want to expand the wealth.
They have the thinking and the knowing that there's money out there for everybody. It's
not like it went away or it's scarce. And that's the difference between abundant thinking
and scarcity thinking. And I think a lot of people, unfortunately, are in the scarcity
thinking.
Absolutely. Well, survival instincts, we all have it. But some of us have lived in an environment
or created an environment where that's our predominant de facto response or reaction
is, man, I've got to be aware. And there are a lot of financial scams out there right now.
Oh, of course.
So if you're in that mindset, I would say one of the important things you need to evaluate
is what is your environment of people you're surrounded by? Are you finding people that
you feel you can trust? So I will share that I also agree with the concept of using other
people's money. And I see so many entrepreneurs who accidentally say, I don't have the money
or I can't afford that. And I'm like, one, this isn't about you. This is about the customers
that you want to provide for. And I've been fortunate enough to be involved in angel investing
and be involved in venture capital raising and use credit cards, perhaps irresponsibly
when I was 21, 23 years old. But yeah, that's the time to do it. Like it's like that. That
was the time that I wasn't that it's not like I went on a vacation. I was investing in multilevel
marketing and preliminary independent contracting stuff. But I didn't have a family to risk
when I started my process. So there's ways to invest and don't worry about where Jackson
was at 21 years old. You have people, you have resources, you have a network of people
like Tabitha that are coming across your radar and you can say, well, is this the type of
person that I would want my circle to help advise me on investing today? We're going
to explore that. So Tab, what are the three resources that you would recommend for visionary
leaders out there? Oh, like what I use or just like in general,
could be movies, documentaries, three resources that will help any visionary and leader improve
their life or a specific niche. You're cool. So, so a resource that came across me, oh,
it's probably been a decade now that's helped me in every avenue. Right? So I feel like
any visionary leader, you're leading more than just a company. If you have a family,
you're a leader. If you are in your church, if you're, you know, even leading yourself,
like you have to lead yourself. And I think a lot of people don't look at themselves as
leaders and I'm like, that's the first problem because you are leading yourself. You can
be an example in a role model, whether you're an extrovert or introvert has no bearing.
I think a lot of people see the leaders as like, you know, the presidents of the societies
and the loud people, but that's just not true. There's so many leaders that are the quiet
behind the scenes. And so for me, a book was how to win friends and influence people. And
when I first read that title, I got the OG lead magnet. There you go. I love that. When
I first heard the title, I'll be honest, I was a little like, Oh my, like I should I
read this book? You know, like this is like, you know, not, I don't know if I have like
manipulation in mind or what I thought too. When I heard the title, I'm not putting it
in my head. How to win friends. Like I just felt almost like if I read this, am I going
to be manipulating people? So I was a little hesitant, you know? And then as I read it,
I was like, Oh, this is just like human connection and human behavior. Like honestly, like what
it means to be a good human, you know, and like reach out to people and think of other
people first. And so I was like, okay, this is, this is awesome. This is great. So that
was one that I felt like just so you can think of other people and be considerate of other
people because in this world, if you want to do anything great, you have to have other
people with you. You can not lone wolf it. And I feel like so many entrepreneurs or solopreneurs,
they do it on their own because their lack of thinking expansion of thinking scared,
they're going to be taken advantage of or pride. Like I can do this on my, my own, you
know, like I'm going to go glasses. Yes. It's like, I'm going to do this. And when I get
to the top, I'm going to say, I did this all by myself. I didn't need you. A lot of the
times it's cause wounds of them needing people in the past and then being hurt. So a lot
of times it does come from childhood wounds. Maybe your parents were there, maybe your
siblings, whatever. So then you thought I can do this on my own. I'm going to do this
on my own. And then people are going to think highly of me because I did this on my own
and give me a pat on the back. That's just not the reality. Like it just isn't. And if
you think for one second that somebody got there on their own and they preach that they
stepped on a lot of people to get there. I have never met a solopreneur. I've met a lot
of people who claim it. I've never, when I look behind the curtains, you're exactly right.
It's exactly what happened. Yeah. And they don't want to give credit to people and they
want it, you know, if they, and if they did do it on their own, they're not successful.
I mean, they're just really not because it's lonely. Yeah. It's lonely at the top. And
so for me, that's not success. So that was like a highly like resource. I feel like everybody,
every parent, if you're married or in a relationship, read the book. Cause even that like how to
influence your partner and win with them. You know, you want to win with people. Nobody
wants conflict and like all the time. I mean, no, sometimes there's a time and place for
that. Right. Yeah. Outwitting the devil is one book that I preach to people because Napoleon
Hill wrote this book almost a hundred years ago. And the stuff that he predicted to happen
is happening now. And it's crazy when you read the book because you're like, Oh my gosh,
like stuff that he even said about smoking, see smoking back in like the 1920s and thirties,
nobody knew anything about, they thought it was cool and hip and great. Like nobody really
had negative things to say about it. And he predicted in the book of like what smoking
does to people, which is crazy. Cause he didn't know. Right. So for me, I believe that he
had some visions from God. Like whether you believe it. I love what you're talking about.
I am biased. I'm a member of the church, Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So they came
out with that policy as well in the 1800s, you know, like in 1840 or so. And people thought
it was nuts because nobody knew that smoking or alcohol had a challenge on you. And so
it's real. I love books like that. So I'm actually going to do, go ahead. I want you
to continue. I'm going to, I'm going to actually buy the book right now.
Yes. So that one I re I have it. And then I have audible because he has a conversation
with the devil. And so in the audible book, it's two different voices. So I feel like
it impacts you differently. So I really like doing both. Like that's exactly what I'm doing.
So I listened to it. Then I highlight the stuff. So those two books, and then I was
thinking about the third book, cause I knew you were going to ask this question and I
was like, man, there's just so many. So one, I'm just going to recommend that I'm reading
right now is blue fishing. And I've read the book before and you can go on Amazon and look
at it. Um, it's the art of getting things done is the whole book premise. And why I
like it is because whether you want to get on stage with sting or you just want to wow
your spouse, like the techniques and the things that he talks about can be for business or
personal. And it's just about like human connection. Again, it's you have to have people in order
to get wherever you want in life. If you want to be a great parent, if you want to be a
great minister, if you want to be a great philanthropist, if you want to be a great
business owner, you can't do it on your own. And I like this book cause his flair for like
what he can do in his company can do is just awesome. So I think it's so cool. Like at
that level. Um, but then I take it down and say, man, how could I do this even for my
daughter's birthday? You know, how can I use these techniques and these strategies? So
those books like right now, again, just narrowing it to three is hard because I could tell you
my favorite book on selling. I could tell you my favorite book on this, but those I
would say outwitting the devil. Everybody needs to read it. How to win friends and influence
people. Everybody should read it. And then blue fishing. It's, it's a fun read and it's
just kind of like makes you think outside the box, which I always love books like that.
Love that. We, um, we've had over 250 episodes. I in fact know we've had over 500 episodes.
I've had over 250 of these live stream interviews and those of you listening in or that just
watch you just saw me, you know, buy that book right there on the spot. Uh, I don't
normally do that. There's two reasons why I bought that book on the spot. And this is
important as you, as you grow in terms of leadership development, personal development,
um, most books get added to a list on Amazon where then I kind of remember who referred
that book, what type of person was it that referred the book to me to how long is that
book existed? What are the reviews like? I think most of us know the name of Napoleon
Hill. If you follow the, the, the influencer in personal development space to it just,
it hit my heart and my mind in a way where I was like, okay, I know I need this right
now. Um, you know, and so I, I got that, but it's also a reflection of Tabitha as a leader.
We've gotten to know each other the last two months. Um, been super impressed with the
way that you show up, the way that you lead, uh, the, the mission that you're on to help
in the financial world and in the real estate world while also being such, so dedicated.
I don't want to put you in pedestal and say your family is the most amazing family ever
because we don't, you know, we're not behind the scenes, but your dedication to it, your
care for it, the things that you talk about in relation to family values and diligence
and determination, all the virtues that you follow, they may, they mean a lot to me. Um,
so those of you listening in, uh, evaluate where are you getting your sourced information
from? Do you really align with the people? And if you align with the individuals, then
eat up what they say, go take action on it. If I can do it during the middle of a podcast
interview, you can do it while you have the chance to pause the podcast interview. Um,
so we'll see you guys in the other side. We're going to come back. We're going to dive into
tapas's vision and, uh, we're gonna have a lot of fun in this episode. All right. Welcome
in to vision pros live with Jackson Callum. I'm your show host. We'll be doing interviews
for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic visions out there.
Hey, what's up everybody. Welcome into another episode of vision pros live. I'm your show
host, Jackson Callum, founder and CEO of first-class business. And I am stoked to have Tabitha
Thorell as you become a friend. It will probably happen instantly. You can of course call her
tab as well. Um, this is a leader in the space of, I'll call it the REI space, uh, real estate
investing, but also a leader in the family space. Uh, and the way that she's showing
up in both of those categories, um, is, has been quite impressive guys. I grill the heck
out of REI people. It seems like they're giving out REI licenses and Coke machines. Um, at
this point, everybody thinks they're an REI specialist and knows how to invest in real
estate. And, uh, I have not been as impressed with the gurus as I was hoping I would have
been after reading Rich Dad. Poor dad, many, many years ago, going to his conference as
well and being like, I think I want more than what I'm experiencing here. And then meeting
other leaders, I'm not going to name any of the other names because I don't have nice
things to say about a lot of the real estate people that I've met. Tabitha comes in, I
grilled her with my typical difficult questions and she stood her ground as a leader. Um,
she showed me that there's a lot of authenticity to what she's doing. I got more to discover,
but if you are interested, I'll learn how to expand wealth through real estate and also
make sure that you product, that you prioritize your family. She is a queen of a leader. So
we'll bring her back on and talk to her in just a minute. Hear more about that vision
before I do a couple of resources that I'd love to share with you. One is Dave Maros
podcast, the hard to kill podcast. If you know a veteran, please send them to Dave's
podcast and also give them the chance to just get to know Dave. Maybe you want to send him
directly to hard to kill.org and see his program. You'll notice on his page, he's got an easy
button. He has the world's easiest fitness program and his goal is to help a hundred
thousand veterans lose 2 million pounds collectively. Why? Because a lot of the U S forces and veteran
forces in other countries that come back, they lose their identity as they start to
maybe fall into alcohol, um, you know, or gain weight because they're not exercising
as rigorously. And that really affects their identity in a lot of cases because their identity
was superhero captain America style. And now I'm speaking out of turn, I'm not a military
soldier, but what Dave does is he helps these veterans with his own story and background
of having helped so many understand the value of looking good, feeling good, and then doing
good. And that's a mission that I can absolutely support. So check it out, see if you can help
him out with, uh, with finding more veterans who can be blessed. And we are part of the
hard to kill podcast team, by the way, magic's productions, magic's productions is a program
developed by Peyton Childers. In fact, the screenshot you just saw was him live streaming
our event, first class networking in Dallas, Texas. He was the first to show up. He was
the last to lead 25 years old and has the wisdom of, and hospitality skills of a 65
year old, uh, grand sommelier. I mean, the kid is amazing at what he does. He was on
the production crew for the Texas Rangers championship baseball team, as well as the
university of Sam Houston's championship team. He's got, uh, actual legitimate authentic
rings from both of those. And he's the type of humble leader who would never lead with
those. But when I got to see them, I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm going to tell everybody about
this. Um, he has some super skills when it comes to a, uh, what is it called? AV audio
visual setups for events and making sure that you're able to repurpose your content and
use it for a lot of purposes. So if you're a leader who's looking to host events, I highly
recommend grabbing Peyton while he's continuing to build out his brand, uh, supply and demand
will be in your favor now. Give it a couple of years and Peyton's going to be on the map
in amazing ways. So, um, I highly recommend check out magic productions for your events
and your podcast development, the water project, the water project. I don't have my water bottle
with me, but it is about 20 yards from me. Um, I've never had to worry about where I
would get my next glass of water from in my life. So when I found about the water project
and I saw that there's millions of people in the world who don't even have access to
clean drinking water. Um, it just hit me. I allowed it to allow myself to meditate and
ponder what would that be like? And what they do is they set up like a crowdfunding project.
You actually get to choose which community you want to invest in. When you invest in
that community, the water project shows you transparently that the project comes to fruition.
You get to learn about how they build the sand dam or how they build the borehole. Well,
it's a very educational process. Great to teach your kids about. Um, and it is really
fulfilling to see the impact. Imagine the impact. These kids, they're celebrating water
like my kids celebrate Christmas day. And in addition to that, the years, the, the,
the change that we'll have on their education, cause they don't have to leave school to go
get water, the change that will have economically and their parents who don't have to leave
work to get water. It's just astronomical. So if there's another cause that you'd rather
see us talk about, don't hesitate to comment that cause too. There's 8 billion people to
help in the world. Uh, we can all do more to be able to help others. And I hope that
you just take this cause you either donate or contribute to it, or you share it with
your network or somebody specifically who might be touched by, you never know how far
the ripple effect of your goodwill will go. So without further ado, Tabitha Thorell, welcome
back to vision pros life. Thanks. I'm excited. I'm excited to dive into this with you, Jackson.
And finally, after months of correspondence, we're finally live. I know. Um, I, I did,
I pushed this, uh, down the pipeline quite a bit to make sure that you were legit to
have and, and I'm loving it so far. So we'll keep exploring that. Um, and right now, what
is, what is the vision you have for the people that you're serving? So my biggest vision
has always been how can I help serve the entrepreneur? Okay. I've been in the space. I've been in
the coaching space for almost 16 years. We've been real estate investing for 20. And I just
always had this heart to, to go deeper as just to help people become, pull their potential,
be the best that they can be. Why are they doing these things? I had, you know, not to
get into my story, but I had a sister who's an alcoholic and we came from the same family
and there's a lot of love in our family. And I mean, of course every family has their thing,
right? But overall I was like, what makes, you know, what made her do what she did and
what made me do what I do. So like, I've always had that human psychology of like, why do
people do what they do? And then when I got into the entrepreneurial space, I just see
these people and you know, they'd say only 4% of small businesses go on to last more
than 10 years. And I'm like, that statistic to me was so detrimental because I felt like
God fearing entrepreneurs are who are going to change this world. And like, how can I
help serve them? And what, you know, what am I doing currently? And how can I become
better so I can go out and help serve people? So that's just like where my heart has always
been. And then with families, because I know that the couple, the married couple is, you
know, they're the, the rock. And I know that that sometimes dissipates. And that's why
I actually got a degree in marriage and family studies because I wanted to help marriages
stay together because nobody gets married thinking they're going to get divorced. Jackson,
I mean, you and I had this conversation and I know this is speaking to your heart. I'm
twice divorced for those. And you never, you never went into that thinking, yeah, someday
I'm going to get divorced. Yep. I'm gonna have kids so I can just like, you know, rip
their lives, you know, out from under them. Nobody. So why does this happen? And how,
it's just me, one person on this earth. Can I have a ripple effect to help that? And can
I help that family unit? Even if it is that single parent, can I help that parent become
better and more so that those kids can feel whole and seen and heard so that they can
love kindness and joy and love? Cause let's face it, people, the reason why we have evil
in this world is because hurt people, hurt people. And sometimes that comes from wounds
that they're not meant to be there, but they just are. So I'm constantly like, what is
the driving? What, what can I do? I'm not a therapist. I'm not a minister, you know,
like, but how can I use my voice and what can I use? I'm always asking God, how can
I use it? How can I serve? Like, how can I be your servant for this? And so I never really
thought of real estate as a way to serve people. I'll be completely honest. The way that I
felt like it served people is that we're landlords. And I was like, Hey, there's people that can't
afford housing. So like we can bring them in and we can treat them with respect and we
can give them a good house. You know, we can take care of the house and we can take care
of them and you know, do that. But I never thought of it as a way like, Oh, let me give
my expertise to someone to do the same thing. First of all, I didn't feel smart enough.
I'll be completely honest that my husband was the one who's behind the scenes. He knows
all the terminology. He's doing all the numbers. I'm just going in. I'm helping property manage
working with the tenants, making the house look pretty. It's kind of end of it. Um, but
I was like you, I did know that mentorship was going to help us grow. So I kind of did
what you did. I did some research on like rich dad, poor dad. There are some other programs
out there. I wasn't super impressed and to get my husband to do a program, he's going
to have to be super impressed. So if I wasn't impressed, which I'm impressed with a lot,
so I wasn't impressed. He was not going to be impressed. So we just kept doing what we
did and there was a lot of things we didn't know and we learned the hard way and we were
very much like if it's meant to be, it's up to me and we just did everything ourselves
and we really didn't hire people and we just, it was hard for a lot of years and it was
a struggle and a lot of times I'm like, just sell the houses. Like, I'm so sick of the
houses and the tenants and all the stress, right? But my husband's very steadfast and
I love him for this and he's very patient. He's just like, let's just like simmer down.
Let's look at the vision. And so as we grew, we did things. I was like about in 2019, God
was like, Hey, why don't you like do a mastermind and like help these families, these entrepreneur
families, they are earning some money, but they're not building their wealth and they're
not spending time with their kids. So their relationships are broken and they're doing
the best they can. Like, let's do this. And I'm like, okay. And then we had two babies
and a year and a half. And so I was like, I'm constantly like, what's the priority here?
And even though that was a mission and we were working on that, my babies were my priority
at three other ones. We are, you know, doing the thing. So last year I was like, okay,
I want to serve this entrepreneurial family, this person who's really trying to make the
world better serve, you know, grow, learn financial literacy, learn how to make money,
work for them. Like, how can I help them with this? And God kept saying the real estate,
like, you know, the real estate and I'm like, yeah, but I'm not smart enough. I don't know
if anybody ever had conversations, whether you call it just the voice in your head, it's
God like he's having conversations with you. And I'm like, but no, but not me, like not
Tabitha from rural Nebraska who lives in a town of 400 people. Like I couldn't have any
impact. There's like the Grant Cardones and the pace Morbys and all these big people and
all these names and the rich airport, you know, it's like Robert Kusaki, like all these
people. I'm just like one little mom, but God was like, that's who you're going to attract
because you are authentic. You are like, I don't know everything with real estate and
I'm learning. I'm doing this. I'm doing a new program and I'm learning and I'm consuming
and I'm almost mad at myself because I didn't know this stuff 10 years ago. But then I say,
okay, tab, it's fine. You found it. Now you're going to, you're going to learn it. You're
going to grow it. You're going to teach it to other people and your impact is going to
be what it's meant to be. You know? And so that's really, I want to help that entrepreneur
that has the drive to want to build wealth for their family and connections with their
family and keep it for generations to come, not to lose it by third generation. 90% of
wealth is gone by third generation. I'm like, that is crazy to me. Someone who's working
blood, sweat and tears right now to build up a company or a product or a service. And
by third generation it's gone. No, what's the missing gap? So I did a lot of research
on that. Like what were, what was the, like, was it, wasn't money, was it time? Was it
this? What, what characteristics were missing? And I said, how can we build that bridge and
help other people and get people excited about real estate? Because millionaires and billionaires
know some things that we don't like, let's just all attest that because they're doing
something right now, sometimes they're doing stuff wrong. I'm not even going to go down
that, but they're doing something right. And so if I can take what they're doing right
and do it with integrity, then it's my obligation to teach that to people. And so I'm learning
stuff about in the financial world and how to use other people's money and leverage and
take real estate, which almost every single millionaire and above own real estate because
they know stuff that we're not doing as do, you know, just like the basic people who are
trying to do paycheck to paycheck. And so I said, how, how about I lift that veil for
people and show them with trust and authenticity, like this can work for you.
Absolutely. You talked about the concept of millionaires and billionaires doing certain
things right. And my, one of my absolute favorite books is as a man think it's by James Allen
back from again, the 1800s and in there, he talks about how our virtues lead to our blessings,
our vices lead to our demise. And you can see that with rich people and with poor people,
you have to be looking at the right variables. And he's very poetic. It's a fantastic book.
And I agree. There's lots of things that are virtuous to learn from anybody out there.
Now, speaking of, you mentioned Grant Cardone. Glad you mentioned him. I love Grant Cardone
as a human being and as a brother yet Tabitha, you are a leader of people. Grant Cardone
is a leader of sheeple. I love that it was Eli Wild who talked about three different
postures. All you listening in with your leader caps, if you write this down, the postures,
you can be in the superior posture talking at people. You can be at the equal posture
talking with people as a friend. You can be in the inferior posture saying I'm not as,
you know, Tabitha is the one who's the smart one here. That would mean putting myself in
the inferior posture. And the problem of leaders who lead in the superior posture in 95% of
their conversations or 98% of their conversations, always telling you what to do, always telling
you how to do things, controlling your outcomes ultimately is the only people who will follow
them are people who are actually willing to be subordinate to them. And I was like, whoa,
that's powerful. So you may not attract as many people that again want to follow somebody
who's going to control their outcomes and not realize it, but you're going to attract
people that want the same type of freedom that you're seeking for yourself. And this
is probably the most powerful, passionate answer we've ever had for what's your vision
for those that you serve. So this is a lot of fun. There are so many things you said
that I want to talk about too. And I think I'm going to skip those for now, bridle my
passion on that and go to the next question, which is quite similar. But let's dive just
super deep. What's your vision? And by the way, you are ultra quotable. You are easily,
like I can tell you do a lot of keynote speaking, or you should if you don't yet. What's your
vision for yourself? What do you see for yourself on the horizon?
My vision's always been my family vision. So like I see our family like uniting, building
our dream home, helping other entrepreneurs coming together. My daughters are, they're
becoming my older ones are going to be 15 and my other daughter just turned 13. So I'm
teaching them how to, like you said, speak with people. Because I'm going to, I'm going
to go back to what you said. When you talk the superior, when you have that person who's
talking at you, and you might get a lot of people like, Yes, I'm going to go, I'm going
to do this. But guess what? A lot of times those people, they want you to tell them what
to do. Because if it doesn't work out, then they can blame you. And if it does work out,
they're going to say like, Oh, yes, like this is, this is awesome. But a lot of times we
want that scapegoat. And so when we turn to someone to tell us exactly how to get out
of Egypt, we can also complain to them and say, Hey, I'm not getting my three meals a
day. So you want the people that are like, but hey, that vision was awesome. Like, I
want to join that vision for my own family. See, my vision for my family is going to be
different than you Jackson, for what you want. But I think we can all say that we want a
better life for our kids. We want a better life for our world. Like you said, you're
doing the water project, which is amazing. As I'm looking at that, I'm literally drinking
water and thinking, Oh my gosh, my girls love to just play with water and these kids can't
even drink it. Right? So it's like, I want better for my daughter. So I'm going to go
home and I'm going to show them this. Hey, you guys took a 20 minute shower. How about
we take some of the earnings that you're doing, even if it's a dollar, like what that can
do and show them the philanthropy. Right? So my vision is to get entrepreneurs out of
the rat race of every day, the hamster wheel of like, I want to, I want to get out of this,
show them a bigger vision of what we can do with money as a tool, because that's all it
is and how we can teach our kids the financial literacy without saying the word financial
literacy. Cause I just feel like that's so like, eh, like nobody really wants to be like,
learn about it, but everybody wants the benefits of it. Like you said, the virtue of it, what
are the virtues that are going to get people out of scarcity and into abundance out of
Egypt and into the promised land. Cause not everybody made it to the promised land. So
it's like, how can we take those people, the 4% that really truly want a better life, not
just money, not just things, not just me telling you exactly what to do. You get to figure
that out. You get to decide what it is for you and your family. Cause my vision has always
been, you know, I see this and I, we joke with our daughters, we're going to have like
a compound where we're going to have all this land and we're just going to build their houses
and then they can come and live. And then we can just like, you know, do businesses
together and like, I watch their kids and we do, you know, we have visions of like doing
a magazine or, you know, going and having offices and they get to do their thing, but
we're all still together. We're connected. Now, whether that actually happens, Mr. Beast
just built a compound, didn't he? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But like mine is
like with my family and I'm constantly thinking like, how can I, I looked at it too. I looked
at how do you start your own town? Um, a couple of years ago I was doing some research. I
was like, okay, we created our own town. Now you've got more control over your local politics
as well. And so, oh yeah, I love that. That's like right up my alley. So it's like, you
can make it how you want. So we, you know, we joke about that, but whether they, but
then at the same time, I'm like, I want you guys to explore the world and go and do it.
And no matter what, I think the premise of, of this, this family unit for us is just that
we stay connected. We're, we communicate, we're going to have conflicts. I have five
daughters. You think there's a lot of emotion. There's a lot of emotions. I have five sisters.
I know exactly what you mean. I, my vision is always, I want to grow and be the best
version of tab as I can. I don't care if I'm nine 99 89. It doesn't matter. Like who I
am right now. I want to be the best version. So I'm constantly growing and learning and
teaching that to my kids. And how can I use money as a resource and a tool and like lift
the veil? Because I feel like money has been such this aloof thing and it brings all this
emotion and you know, like I can't have it or the, or the rich, greedy people or whatever.
And it's like, I want to lift that for my kids and for my community and expand that
and say, we don't need to live in scarcity, like taking more people to the promised land,
but that's not easy because you have a lot of, um, a lot of skillsets that I'm having
to learn and develop as a leader so that I can go out and actually do that.
Absolutely. We, we talk a lot about how money is a resource. It's unsexy as it is demystifying
the reality of it. It's just like water and it's just like fire. I can drown in water
and water saves my life at the same time. Fire, I can get burned, but it's also providing
the lights and on the electricity for this podcast. There's so many things. And if we,
we villainize our resources, um, and are we expect that the resource only does bad things
and we're missing out on how we can utilize those resources for our own good. So it's,
it's lovely that you have and the compound, a lot of people villainize compounds and,
and worry about like, Oh man, what does that mean? And every city is a compound, every
neighborhood is a compound. And yes, they can be taken to extremes, but one of, one
of my favorite things about the BYU campus, that's where I went to school. I earned a
whopping 0.33 GPA there. Um, so the, but they're mantras. I walked to school and I would enter
and look at the stone figures as I'm coming in, it says, the world is our campus. And
I love that. Um, I still love that to this day. It was not about being stuck there, being
confined to it. We did receive certain protections and certain educations, but that world, I
knew that I needed to be in the other world doing more. So, uh, let's see here. We've,
we are running a little bit out of time. So I'd like to extend the challenge. Let's have
you back in several months. Um, I would love to have you come back so that we can talk
about the worst leadership experience you've ever had and the best leadership experience
that you've ever had and dive into some more dynamics of what you're up to and how the
vision has unfolded since then. We'll look more at that too. Before we wrap up, I do
want to ask the ultimate question though. If this were your last chance to speak on
stage ever, what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn from your experience?
Don't hide your light. Everybody. I feel like so many adults, especially we dim our
vision. We dim our dream. We dim ourselves. We take the look, the, the road that is seems
easier or, you know, we have a lot of ex, you know, reasons why we need to do that.
And I'm here to say step up and step out. That doesn't mean you have to be an extrovert.
That doesn't mean you have to be good with words or step on stage. That means that you
have gifts inside of you, gifts that were given to you at birth by your creator. And
he wants you to share them. And somebody told you it was wrong. Somebody told me I was too
loud. Somebody told me I talked too much and I listened to them for a long time. But if
I continue to listen to them, I want to be here talking to you, Jackson. I want to be
investing in myself and my kids because I'd say, Oh, that's for the whatever. I wouldn't
be increasing my wealth and increasing my impact because somebody told me that I was
too strong or too quiet. Somebody told you that because they were told that. So you have
gifts, you know what you love, you know what you're passionate, you know, what gets you
excited. Even my husband who's super quiet, you get him talking about real estate or tractors
and he will talk to you all day. So you have that gift and step out into it. It is not
meant to be dimmed. You know, there's a little kid Christians on, you know, this little light
of mine, I'm going to let it shine. Little kids want to shine. You need to shine as adults.
You have resources and knowledge and wisdom that kids don't have that you should be stepping
up and it's your responsibility to give it to the world.
Love it. Absolutely love it. And I do hope all of us, you know, whether you are of the
Christian faith or not doesn't matter in terms of what I'm going to say next, which is be
a light on a hilltop. Right. This is a calling for all people. There are so many people in
darkness. There's so many people who need a guide and any of the opportunity to learn.
And we often downplay the knowledge which we have. We usually tend to call it common
sense. Harvard did a study on this called the curse of knowledge. And we have so much
knowledge that we can take it, take for granted these days. But if we can simply repurpose
it and realize, you know, there's lots of people out there who could use this for gifts.
But you know, what happens today, I shared the water project. It's not mine. I just talked
about it. Now Tabitha is going to go talk about it with her kids and the ripple effect
of that happening. It's like, man, that that alone makes this episode so worth it. In addition
to all the other great things that come out of this. And my vision for that is, you know,
in fact, I'm going to share a little bit today about that. We we want to get to where we
go to one of these projects as a team. I'd love to get our entire team to Africa to go
to these projects. The water project has told me that would be extremely difficult because
they choose they choose areas of Africa that are very hard to get to on purpose places
that would not normally receive help like this. I don't care. We're still going to
make that happen. We'll bring somebody like powders with us to document the process, right?
And I want my kids to go at least my oldest kids and my 12 year old, maybe my 10 year
old. I'm hoping to do this next year. That would be fun. And they're working on their
style of contributing to this as well. They've written books that they want to get published.
We don't have all the elements in place that we need for them to publish. But real quick,
I'm going to share that promo video because it puts the fire under me to get this darn
project done. And to remind them like, Hey, this is a live we need to make this come to
fruition. So here's the promo video for the book.
So they did that. They produced that. I may have become a better choreographer than I've
ever been in my life. Hand signals to help them. But you know, we and another person
on this spectrum, I need to get you introduced to Amberville Howard. Do you know her? I don't.
Her son Clay just published his book. He's had over 7,000 copies sold. And he got endorsements
from people like Chip Conley, who also wrote peak, one of the one of the best business
books on hospitality and inspiring teams and using Marsal's hierarchy within your business
infrastructure to make sure that your employees, your customers and your investors are self-actualizing.
It is a genius level book. So those anyway, I could see us inviting Amber to go along
with that. And if you build a compound, please let us know.
Yes, I will definitely. This is important. I already have the land that I want to build
it on. I'm like, you know, I've already like wrote letters to the people. So I mean, yeah,
it's fantastic. Well, that's good news. And, and we'll be we'll be looking here around
the New Braunfels area for yes, stuff. But that also means that we will just be consulting
with you as a city economic developer. Tab, what are you doing? Like help us out down
here. Come and consult and help us build. So that'll be fun. Those of you listening
in right now, all that we're talking about, even though it's kind of personal one on one,
we're talking about it on this podcast, because you're invited to, you just got to be leader
enough to ask to be part of it. That's it. Just reach out and say hi and say, Hey, here's
what I see in relation to this. Here's what I'm doing. Also, don't hesitate to challenge
our concepts and drop questions in or comments of your own about how you see things. The
life is abundant mentality includes perspectives and paradigms. It's one where it's like, man,
we need to have these conversations. We need people like Tabitha's husband who speculates
and looks at things with a more cautious aspect, I guess, is one way to put it. I'm sure Tab
has her sides of life where she looks at things like that. And so do I. It's very healthy
to to be able to drink the right type of Kool-Aid, you know, and not get indoctrinated into one
one avenue. So again, those of you visionaries listening, we we hope that you got a lot out
of this episode today. If you want to be on this show, there's a there's a button in the
top right corner. It says be our guest. All you gotta do is apply and you don't have to
have a world changing vision in order to be on this show. Tabitha happens to have one
and she's on the same types of missions we are. Let's let's improve families. Let's help
entrepreneurs get their foot in them. Let's make worldwide impact. If your impact is driven
around community and neighborhood or it's on serving people that need their cars repaired
and you love the people that you serve and you lead the right way, those are the types
of leaders that we want on the show. And it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the
show, Tabitha. Any final things you'd like to share before we wrap up today?
No, I I think I said it. It says go out like you are a leader. You are a visionary, whether
your vision is just for your family or for yourself to be the best human possible. That's
a vision. And it doesn't have to be like you said, you don't have to see it as world changing,
but it is. I love that you just changing yourself for kindness could literally help someone
who was thinking about committing suicide and you open the door for them at the grocery
store. And I am not even kidding. We just had a conversation with someone at our church.
I didn't know that he tried to commit suicide and I asked my husband, he's like, no, you
don't know. So when you become a better human, that is world changing.
Yes, absolutely. And if we had the rights to it, we'd be playing man in the mirror by
Michael Jackson right now. Listen to it and we'll see you all on the next episode of Vision
Pros Live. Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that you tuned into Vision
Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move
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well. We'll invite people to participate in the show and thank you for giving us your
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