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So my vision came from, it's my years working in corporate and things that evolved and things

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that I felt that were, for lack of a better word, missing.

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So when I got out of college, I'll start there, I went to an amazing university.

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I had great internships.

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I decided, I knew what I wanted to do when I left college and I got into magazine publishing,

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consumer marketing.

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It was like my dream job.

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But then it was the then what, right?

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Like now I'm here.

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And I knew, like I had an idea that I wanted to keep moving up in magazine publishing and

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get that, you know, reach this thing that I thought was the pinnacle, like, oh, I want

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to be this title.

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It was the title that I was after, not the, it wasn't my passion.

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I was, so the two weren't together.

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So I kept searching for something and I kept thinking there's, you know, as I was going

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through my career.