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I'm 71 years old. So right after college, I started traveling and ended up in Boulder, Colorado,

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just by coincidence. And I spent four years there, really diving into the somatic psychotherapy

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rolfing, which is a kind of physical body work that I did for decades. And it changed my life.

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I started learning or studying with the pioneers in these fields and ended up moving to Arizona,

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ended up doing a practice, integrated medical clinic. Near and near the end of my time there

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around 1995, I just realized that my relationships weren't really working. And I was a consistent

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variable. And I needed to do something about it. I'd done a lot, but it wasn't really changing

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my relationships. I thought, well, maybe doing a meds group would help. And I didn't want to,

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which is a sign that maybe I should do it. And the first group I did in my clinic didn't really

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work, but to make this longer story short, I moved to