1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,680 It's my, it's my ram. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:04,360 You do too much. 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,960 Oh, it's like, well, that's what happens 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,640 when you have Justin Moore coming on, you know? 5 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,560 You gotta make it all happen at once. 6 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,040 Oh, awesome. 7 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,600 So we're gonna be talking about maximizing your gifts 8 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,720 with songwriting legend, Justin Moore today. 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,960 This is gonna be awesome. 10 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,680 You are an absolute legend of songwriting. 11 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,120 I've seen your Instagram and super impressed 12 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,200 with your leadership in the podcast world. 13 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,640 And then I get hit with this massive vision 14 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,640 where you're ready to become the most recognized songwriter 15 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,520 of our century. 16 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,480 I'm like, what? 17 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:39,320 Like that too? 18 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,160 Cool. 19 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,240 So yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff 20 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,600 that I've learned about you that have inspired that. 21 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,320 I'm sure your opera singing parents that went to Juilliard 22 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,840 had a big impression on that. 23 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,120 And you know, the fact that what you were number one 24 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,840 on Fiverr for voiceovers as well. 25 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,120 Yeah. 26 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,280 So singing other people's songs, 27 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,480 which was a weird experience half the time. 28 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:06,920 Right? 29 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,040 So there's a lot that's there, but songwriting, 30 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,240 that's like a different level of music too, right? 31 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,480 That's like the poetry side. 32 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,440 I mean, don't get me wrong, the chicken nugget song is awesome 33 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,240 and I'm a fan of it with my kiddos. 34 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,080 But you're, you know, to be the songwriter, 35 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,320 you gotta go like Ed Sheeran level and like go deep too. 36 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:29,520 What, where did this poetic nature of songwriting come from? 37 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,080 And you know, are you a fan of Avicii? 38 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:32,920 Rest in peace. 39 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,920 Are you, you know, not a fan? 40 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,920 Where do you stand currently in the singing stratosphere 41 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,040 and the songwriting stratosphere? 42 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:48,040 Honestly, I think songwriting itself maybe never even, 43 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,400 I was never really drawn to it growing up. 44 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,360 I preferred performing. 45 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:00,240 I preferred like being on stage, playing an instrument 46 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,600 and singing and having my bandmates back me up 47 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,080 with backup vocals and stuff. 48 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,760 Like that was the most, that was kind of like 49 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,920 the most exciting part of music for me. 50 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:14,400 And I actually would always prefer like 51 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,960 to just sing other people's songs. 52 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,040 Like to me, it was like, here's these awesome songs 53 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,640 that other people have written that I love, 54 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:24,600 that people have like poured their heart into. 55 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,920 Why not just like sing their songs, right? 56 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:31,560 And like ride off the waves of loving that music 57 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,800 because what I found and what I know now from other artists 58 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,320 is that when you write your own song, 59 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:40,720 and I shouldn't say just other artists, 60 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,560 I know this myself, when you write your own song 61 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,400 through the process of writing it, 62 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,720 it becomes a little bit stale as you're writing it 63 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,080 because your ears become tired to the same chords 64 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,600 and the same melody and the same music. 65 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,960 And you get into like sort of a tunnel visioned 66 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,400 sort of experience where, you know, 67 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,960 you can't really hear the song for what it is 68 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,800 as a whole anymore. 69 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,000 It's just its pieces and it's very kind of, 70 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,720 just like lost the kind of like magic. 71 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,320 And so I've honestly, 72 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,200 I've never performed one of my songs live. 73 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,160 I've only ever performed other people's songs live. 74 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,920 And I think that other people's songs, 75 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:19,880 you didn't write them. 76 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,840 All you do is, you know, you sing them live on stage. 77 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,360 So you're not kind of burning them out 78 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,640 and you just get to enjoy the music. 79 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:29,760 And I think growing up, that's what I like to do. 80 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,080 But as I've gotten older, 81 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,800 I really love the process of producing a song. 82 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,480 I love the process of, you know, adding a guitar in here 83 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,240 and then adding like a synthesizer in here. 84 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,240 And then here's the drum, the drum, the kick drum 85 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,960 and everything and everything kind of all blends together, 86 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:45,800 especially the melody. 87 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,680 I love writing melodies. 88 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,440 I love looking for weird melodies. 89 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,440 And somebody who can hear, who does this a lot, 90 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,000 like mainstream is Julia Michaels. 91 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,960 Like she will, she just says, you know, 92 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,360 here's this like, you know, four chords 93 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,920 and how can I create a melody 94 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,840 that is like nothing you've heard? 95 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,320 And she plays with the rhythm to the point 96 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,160 where the rhythm is all over the place. 97 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,160 And then the melody, she's hitting notes. 98 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,440 Like it's almost like she's playing like a piano solo 99 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,760 or something with her voice and adding lyrics to it. 100 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,520 Like all the notes are being played at different times. 101 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,600 And so that's somebody who I, who I, I'm like, okay, yeah, 102 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,000 I can compare like the way that I write to that. 103 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,560 But the lyrics itself, like, 104 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,440 I don't know if lyrics are something 105 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,040 that really excite me that much. 106 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,320 I think what excites me more is when the right lyric hits 107 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,200 over the right melody and fits phonetically, 108 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,040 because it's not just the actual rhyming. 109 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,120 It's also the phonetics of like, 110 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,760 how does this sound feel to sing over this melody, 111 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,240 over these chords? 112 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,680 And when all those things line up, 113 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,920 that's when I love the lyrics. 114 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,240 Like when I find the right lyric, 115 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,920 it's more like, oh, this fits the song so much 116 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,880 rather than like, rather than like making the song 117 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,560 fit the lyric, if that makes sense. 118 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,120 So yeah, that'd be my answer. 119 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,800 You're welcome to completely argue with me on this too, 120 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:05,640 right? 121 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,320 This is, you know, as a fellow musician, 122 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,560 but more of a closet, campfire musician. 123 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,120 When the song Madness came out, 124 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,480 it hit me like, oh my gosh, like a brick wall. 125 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,280 What song is that? 126 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:19,640 Madness by Muse. 127 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,320 Oh, I know this song. 128 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,000 Madness, ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma. 129 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,200 Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. 130 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,760 So I heard it and I was like, 131 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,000 this is gonna be one of the greatest hits of all time. 132 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,240 I called it and it sure enough it did. 133 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,240 The greatest hit of all time at its time. 134 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,080 And the power of it is that, 135 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,880 yeah, the climax of the song, 136 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,240 you know, of what they're singing about. 137 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,800 And the Madness that he's so obsessed with 138 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,240 is that power of love and being stuck with it. 139 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,360 And it just, it hits in the perfect way 140 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,600 at the perfect time. 141 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,360 Oh my gosh, it's just, you know, 142 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,520 it's so amazing when somebody can combine 143 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,680 both of those powers together, 144 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,520 where the lyrics and the music come together 145 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,440 at the perfect timing. 146 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,680 And I know we sound like two guys 147 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,640 talking about an art studio right now. 148 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:10,480 Yeah. 149 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,960 And it's like, can you just show us the art? 150 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,320 And so speaking of, for those of you who wanna hear it, 151 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,120 I'm gonna play a clip of Justin right now. 152 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,400 I'd love to get him to play live with us sometime on this. 153 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,840 That would be so, we'll get you back 154 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:24,040 and maybe you'll play one of your personal songs 155 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:24,880 live on the show. 156 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,280 That would be awesome. 157 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:27,120 Totally. 158 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:27,960 So we're gonna listen to this clip. 159 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,320 We're gonna come back, we're gonna talk to Justin 160 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,520 about three resources he recommends 161 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:32,720 for visionary leaders out there. 162 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,800 But let's just enjoy the beauty that this is. 163 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,960 You know. 164 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:29,940 fred 165 00:07:29,940 --> 00:07:31,740 third 166 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:39,580 I love that one. I gotta say something about that too because that went pretty viral and 167 00:07:39,580 --> 00:07:44,340 I got a lot of comments like, you know, oh, so much autotune or something like that. And 168 00:07:44,340 --> 00:07:48,980 I was like, yeah, of course, it's Daft Punk. I cranked the autotune to the max. But if 169 00:07:48,980 --> 00:07:53,620 you listen to some of the other ones, there's like almost no autotune on them. But I think 170 00:07:53,620 --> 00:07:56,540 the cool thing about those videos is like, you can hear at the beginning, like the first 171 00:07:56,540 --> 00:08:01,940 few voices, it's like, I'm barely pronouncing any of the words. It's like, right. It's very 172 00:08:01,940 --> 00:08:07,860 like, again, like just, just the sounds like, like, and kind of just like really relaxed 173 00:08:07,860 --> 00:08:11,180 mouth through the whole thing. And people also comment on that. They're like, why does 174 00:08:11,180 --> 00:08:15,220 it sound like you have like a speech impediment for the first few like voices? And I'm like, 175 00:08:15,220 --> 00:08:19,000 well, because actually when you're, when you're putting together harmonies and you're stacking 176 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:25,300 vocals one by one like that, it's better if the background vocals are not like emphasizing 177 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:30,060 the words so much and creating a lot of like phonetic phonetic clashes. Because when the 178 00:08:30,060 --> 00:08:35,580 lead comes, you want the lead to have the full rounded pronunciation, but you want the 179 00:08:35,580 --> 00:08:41,440 vocals before to be supportive, not like competing. So what's cool is you never hear harmonies 180 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,580 on their own in music. So people are, they're like, why does it sound like that? And I'm 181 00:08:45,580 --> 00:08:49,860 like, because you've never heard, you've never heard this before, but this is what background 182 00:08:49,860 --> 00:08:56,220 vocals sound like in a lot of pop music. So I think that's one of the cool videos. 183 00:08:56,220 --> 00:08:59,620 It's one of my favorite things about your Instagram channel is you reveal this stuff. 184 00:08:59,620 --> 00:09:04,500 Like, so I was sitting there watching like 20 minutes. I learned far too much about music 185 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:09,500 as somebody who claims to be a musician. I was like, holy crap, he is such an amazing 186 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:14,100 teacher. I was like, this is so cool. And the things that you taught about singing as 187 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:19,700 well. I mean, I, you know, I learned to sing just by kind of doing it in Uruguay, you know, 188 00:09:19,700 --> 00:09:25,940 and as a missionary, and I had a couple of companions down there and friends who were 189 00:09:25,940 --> 00:09:30,500 all state singers. And so just kind of like studying what they were doing and always feeling 190 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:36,240 very intimidated that I had to sing with them was like, but I realized like I actually sound 191 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,660 pretty good with these guys. And, but I didn't know all the mechanics. So watching your channel, 192 00:09:41,660 --> 00:09:46,940 like, it was like, oh my gosh, he's like a god of music. So cool. You know, he knows 193 00:09:46,940 --> 00:09:50,460 all these little tips and tricks. So if you're in the music realm, you're going to love that 194 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:56,380 as a resource, but three resources, Justin, as a leader or visionary, what are three resources 195 00:09:56,380 --> 00:09:58,820 that have helped you? 196 00:09:58,820 --> 00:10:07,180 The biggest out of, out of everything that I think I've consumed in terms of self-development, 197 00:10:07,180 --> 00:10:09,660 because I guess that's kind of what we're talking about here is just developing like 198 00:10:09,660 --> 00:10:14,060 yourself, whether it's your mind or your body, whatever. When I started, this was probably 199 00:10:14,060 --> 00:10:19,940 when I was about 17, so seven years ago, the first thing that really shifted my perspective 200 00:10:19,940 --> 00:10:29,180 monumentally was Jordan Peterson's books and, and his podcast. I will say that I probably, 201 00:10:29,180 --> 00:10:37,500 I mean, probably 2000 hours of, of, of podcasts and books, multiple listens through his longest 202 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:44,500 things. It changed my perspective about so many things in it. And it, it really, I went 203 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:48,900 from being like a, you know, a kid and a teenager to being like, okay, like this is, this is 204 00:10:48,900 --> 00:10:52,140 now what I have to do. Like I got to, you know, I've got to take some responsibility 205 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:56,500 and start making things happen. And so I've always been very creative and very passionate, 206 00:10:56,500 --> 00:11:02,740 but combining that with the sort of discipline to actually make things happen and put in 207 00:11:02,740 --> 00:11:09,540 the work and be patient, that came from listening to, to his stuff. It also gave me a real respect 208 00:11:09,540 --> 00:11:14,660 and understanding for religion because of his lengthy series on, on like his biblical 209 00:11:14,660 --> 00:11:19,860 lectures, which has played a huge role in, you know, now my relationship with religion 210 00:11:19,860 --> 00:11:27,440 as well. And so that would be number one. And, and then sort of on the more like business 211 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:35,620 slash entrepreneur side of things, two books that have made a big impact on me have been 212 00:11:35,620 --> 00:11:45,700 number one, funny enough, shoe dog by Phil, Phil Knight. So the Nike story that was, yeah, 213 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:52,860 that was game-changing. Just the relationship that he had with risk and how it almost crumbled, 214 00:11:52,860 --> 00:11:58,780 you know, 50 times. And, and the way, I think the biggest thing that, that impacted me on 215 00:11:58,780 --> 00:12:05,680 that one was like the way that his team came to his side and like how the business quickly 216 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:11,020 became more than just him. And like it was, it had its own, you know, and he was, he was 217 00:12:11,020 --> 00:12:14,980 good friends with all of his people and they were all excited and aligned towards the same 218 00:12:14,980 --> 00:12:20,820 vision, which I think was really cool. And then the, the third resource would be another 219 00:12:20,820 --> 00:12:25,380 book, one that I'm almost on now, which is Elon Musk's book. The there's two versions. 220 00:12:25,380 --> 00:12:29,900 There's one by Ashley something, I forget her last name, but the one that I've I'm reading 221 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:37,440 is the Walter Isaacson version. And that book too, I like, I think that the biggest thing 222 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:43,780 that stood out for me on that one is, is that he, he looks at everything and questions every 223 00:12:43,780 --> 00:12:49,300 step of the process, no matter what it is. So when, so when, you know, when, when he 224 00:12:49,300 --> 00:12:54,420 says, okay, what, you know, why are we spending a million dollars on this, this piece of equipment 225 00:12:54,420 --> 00:12:58,660 for this rocket? And he says, well, it's a safety measure put in place by this people. 226 00:12:58,660 --> 00:13:02,660 And he says, who, who is the actual person? And then he gets the name of the person that 227 00:13:02,660 --> 00:13:07,420 he flies to them and meets them one-on-one. And then he ends up, you know, realizing that 228 00:13:07,420 --> 00:13:11,900 it was just a bureaucratic kind of roadblock. And the time he does this over and over and 229 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:17,860 over again, and it just kind of made me realize that, you know, keeping an open mind beyond 230 00:13:17,860 --> 00:13:25,580 even what you think might be open and, and realizing that, that you're, you're like, 231 00:13:25,580 --> 00:13:29,980 your vision and your, your drive can make things happen that people have made you think 232 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:35,020 is impossible or that even if there's roadblocks, like, I mean, yeah. So that was, that book 233 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:39,620 just kind of took what I think is already like relatively open mind. And I just, it 234 00:13:39,620 --> 00:13:44,020 just expanded even farther. And for me, like, I've always questioning, oh, can I really 235 00:13:44,020 --> 00:13:48,220 do music and business at once? Like, is it really possible? And then I look at what he 236 00:13:48,220 --> 00:13:53,540 did and I'm like, uh, yeah, if he can do that, it's probably possible to do two things at 237 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:54,540 once. 238 00:13:54,540 --> 00:13:58,420 Right. Right. I think Dr. Dre is doing a pretty good job of that. Yeah, absolutely. There's 239 00:13:58,420 --> 00:14:00,420 lots of guys like that. Totally. Yeah. 240 00:14:00,420 --> 00:14:05,860 Yeah. I love that you referenced the book and yet the book referenced returning to the 241 00:14:05,860 --> 00:14:10,580 actual resource, right? The fountain that it is. So you can just stick with the book, 242 00:14:10,580 --> 00:14:15,180 but now you can go find Elon as well. All right. And pick his brain. And you talked, 243 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:18,380 you know, Jordan Peterson as well. It would be easy to point to a book or one specific 244 00:14:18,380 --> 00:14:22,540 thing, but you're talking about learning from the source itself. Funny that you mentioned 245 00:14:22,540 --> 00:14:27,420 him yesterday. I tried to do my first Jordan Peterson and per impersonation personation 246 00:14:27,420 --> 00:14:35,620 ever. Oh, it's awful. I have no capacity to emulate that man. I've tried. I've tried many 247 00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:42,940 times. I bet you're better than me at it, but man, he's, he is something else. Um, as 248 00:14:42,940 --> 00:14:50,660 far as the leader goes, his ability to think through so many different paradigms and bridge 249 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:57,020 those gaps, um, it takes a depth of study, um, and on a willingness to kind of stay humble 250 00:14:57,020 --> 00:15:02,280 about things yet, you know, he doesn't let that interfere with his own sense of security 251 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:07,300 and his own poise. Um, so there's, there's so many things that can be a 2000. You say 252 00:15:07,300 --> 00:15:11,540 you've watched 2000 hours of his footage. I say that's probably on the, that's probably 253 00:15:11,540 --> 00:15:15,620 not, it's probably more than that. I think I was being conservative. I mean, hundreds 254 00:15:15,620 --> 00:15:22,580 of podcast episodes multiple times. It's a worthwhile resource. I'm catching up to you. 255 00:15:22,580 --> 00:15:28,620 Um, I'm catching up to you with him. I didn't come across my radar until maybe a year and 256 00:15:28,620 --> 00:15:34,340 a half ago. Oh, wow. Um, and I was, yeah, it's, it's weird to you. Like all of a sudden, 257 00:15:34,340 --> 00:15:38,580 like what, you know, it's like finding Michael Jordan for the first time at 36 and it's like, 258 00:15:38,580 --> 00:15:43,860 oh man, that's awkward to admit. Got a lot of studying to do backlog, the years of content 259 00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:49,140 he's created. I do. That's right, man. So I appreciate you throwing those resources 260 00:15:49,140 --> 00:15:52,700 out there and we're going to dive into a little bit of a break. We'll come back and we'll 261 00:15:52,700 --> 00:15:58,540 dive into your vision full steam ahead. All right. Welcome in to vision pros live. 262 00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:03,380 With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host. We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs 263 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:08,580 and guest leaders who are building fantastic visions out there. 264 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:19,180 Hey, what's up everybody. Welcome into another episode of vision pros live. I'm your show 265 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:25,860 host, Jackson Calame, and I'm so excited to have the Justin Moore on my podcast today. 266 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:32,220 Now most people that I know in my circle know him as the podgy podcast expert. He is doing 267 00:16:32,220 --> 00:16:36,980 awesome things in the world of podcasting. And so when I saw his form submission as a 268 00:16:36,980 --> 00:16:45,220 vision pro that he's on his route to becoming the number one songwriter of the century, 269 00:16:45,220 --> 00:16:51,700 I was like, what? Oh my gosh, cool. I mean, I'm multifaceted. He's already serving at 270 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:56,380 high levels in the podcast industry. And he's also got these extreme talents with music 271 00:16:56,380 --> 00:17:00,580 and he's just a joy to talk to. So I'm excited for us to dive in and hear about this vision 272 00:17:00,580 --> 00:17:05,100 and what he's doing for it and how it's going to help the rest of us too. There's just so 273 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:09,540 many cool angles on this. Before we bring Justin on stage though, we've got a couple 274 00:17:09,540 --> 00:17:13,540 of new sponsors to talk about. These are new resources that I highly recommend checking 275 00:17:13,540 --> 00:17:18,260 out. Especially if you're in the military for the first one, the hard to kill podcast 276 00:17:18,260 --> 00:17:25,340 with Dave Marl. It's such an awesome show and Dave is helping 100,000 veterans lose 277 00:17:25,340 --> 00:17:31,780 2 million pounds collectively. And I love the premise as to why he's doing that. A lot 278 00:17:31,780 --> 00:17:35,800 of people get back from war. I can't speak from personal experience, but I've definitely 279 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:42,380 seen some friends and I've watched some movies about it. They can lose sight of their purpose 280 00:17:42,380 --> 00:17:47,560 after they come back. And so if you've ever been in that situation where you feel like 281 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,980 you're losing your identity because you're not working out as much as you used to, one 282 00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:57,420 of the things I love about Dave is he's dedicated his life to helping these veterans make sure 283 00:17:57,420 --> 00:18:03,260 that they continue to be their best self and make sure that they have that same self identity 284 00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:08,380 and experience of, you know what, if I look good and I take care of my body, then I'll 285 00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:13,600 feel good. And then I can, of course, go and produce and do good. So he does a much better 286 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:19,720 job than I do of talking to that message, which is why he's one of the elite podcasts 287 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:25,740 in the military space. I highly recommend checking out what he's put together and how 288 00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:31,860 he's leading in the world. So moving into Magix Productions, we've got Peyton Childers. 289 00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:38,260 Peyton Childers helped us with our event at First Class Networking in Dallas. He ran the 290 00:18:38,260 --> 00:18:42,780 live production and live streaming of our event and he had three different cameras set 291 00:18:42,780 --> 00:18:46,240 up. He was able to pull in these different camera angles for the event, allow people 292 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,420 to join us virtually and see what that was like, and also just produce a whole ton of 293 00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:56,420 content that we can then use for B-roll purposes and for producing content based on the sponsors 294 00:18:56,420 --> 00:18:59,980 who were there. And he had all these visions for how he was going to take things to the 295 00:18:59,980 --> 00:19:04,700 next level. What was interesting when I interviewed him the other day, as I found out, he was 296 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:08,260 part of the video production crew for the Texas Rangers last year when they won the 297 00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:13,220 championship. He was also right before that, part of the video production crew for the 298 00:19:13,220 --> 00:19:18,180 University of Sam Houston when they won their championship. So he's got two of these championship 299 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:23,420 rings from these organizations that are authentic and legit, and he is super authentic and legit. 300 00:19:23,420 --> 00:19:28,620 I highly recommend checking out what he's up to. If you've got an event anywhere in 301 00:19:28,620 --> 00:19:33,060 the United States, probably, or Canada or Mexico, Peyton would be happy to come out 302 00:19:33,060 --> 00:19:38,100 to the event, support it and be your AV guy. So he's been a joy to work with, has the 303 00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:44,220 hospitality skills of a 30-year veteran, yet the flexibility of a 25-year-old. 304 00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:50,340 Then we got the water project. The water project is something that I've forced into my heart. 305 00:19:50,340 --> 00:19:54,740 Why? Because I have no idea what it's like not to have clean drinking water. But when 306 00:19:54,740 --> 00:19:59,060 I found out that there's millions of people who don't, I just, I couldn't let it go. I 307 00:19:59,060 --> 00:20:02,460 was like, I got to do something to help out with this. So we do contribute to the water 308 00:20:02,460 --> 00:20:08,060 project. We also hope to inspire you to consider doing the same. What I love about this program 309 00:20:08,060 --> 00:20:11,900 is they treat it like Kickstarter or crowdfunding, where you can see the actual place that you're 310 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:15,900 contributing to, and then they document the process so you can see the results and the 311 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:21,060 outcome of what you've been able to help provide. Whether it's a borehole well or a sand dam 312 00:20:21,060 --> 00:20:24,880 that they're creating in these environments, in these communities, we're talking about 313 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:30,540 helping generations of individuals have access to clean drinking water. This keeps kids in 314 00:20:30,540 --> 00:20:34,220 school in a different way. When you're, you know, these kids aren't leaving because of 315 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:38,940 drugs or something crazy, they have to leave their schooling in order to go find water 316 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:43,420 three to five miles sometimes away from the school and then bring it back for everybody 317 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:47,220 to benefit from. Or parents have to leave their work to do that. You can imagine how 318 00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:51,220 crippling that is for their education and for their economies. We have the opportunity 319 00:20:51,220 --> 00:20:55,440 to do something about it. Now, if economics has been hard for you over the last couple 320 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,200 of years, you're not in a position to give, my request is that you just tell other people 321 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,780 about this experience. And maybe you never know if you end up touching the heart of somebody 322 00:21:03,780 --> 00:21:08,020 who ends up giving $10,000 and helping a lot of these communities. But we got 8 billion 323 00:21:08,020 --> 00:21:12,620 people in this world to help and we can go about doing that together. Without further 324 00:21:12,620 --> 00:21:17,360 ado, Justin Moore, thank you so much for being on Vision Pros Live. 325 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:19,340 Thank you, Jackson. Thanks for having me. 326 00:21:19,340 --> 00:21:26,140 Absolutely. So I'm going to ask a strange question. I think people don't give enough 327 00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:33,140 credit to the power of music. What is your vision for those that you serve? And is music, 328 00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:40,060 do you feel like music is an outlet of service and of itself? Let's talk about that. 329 00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:47,200 I've been definitely thinking about that a lot more recently because I think that business 330 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:54,220 is as long as you're doing it in like the right way or I don't know quote unquote the 331 00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:58,980 right way, I feel like your job is to serve people and to help people in some way and 332 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:03,380 to create change and to have some type of impact on people's lives. And I think with 333 00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:09,620 music, as far as the pop industry goes or the dance industry goes or any of the real 334 00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:16,120 mainstream industries go, I think there is a lack of, I just don't think that people 335 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:20,700 see it that way. I don't think that people see creating music as a way to serve people. 336 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:26,940 I think that they see it as a way to serve themselves. And that's, you know, music may, 337 00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:34,580 the song you write may help somebody great, but the music that's being created now, that's 338 00:22:34,580 --> 00:22:38,460 just not, that's not really what it's doing, at least for the majority of songs. It's 339 00:22:38,460 --> 00:22:43,300 not, it's like the lyrics don't really mean stuff like they used to. Like I look back 340 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:50,500 at songs that did help people like old, you know, rock music and I know people say that 341 00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:55,020 a certain song saved their lives or something like that. And I don't see a lot of that 342 00:22:55,020 --> 00:23:01,700 being created anymore and being promoted like at least in mainstream music. And so that's 343 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:07,140 why, that's why it's been important to me to not pigeon, pigeonhole myself just into 344 00:23:07,140 --> 00:23:13,420 the music industry and to be, to be doing something that is like, I don't think this 345 00:23:13,420 --> 00:23:17,820 will be my only business. Like I think, I think there's something a lot bigger that 346 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:27,180 I'm going to take part in as things go, go along. But for now, being able to create, 347 00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:33,420 help people create content that goes out and then truly does make an impact in people's 348 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:38,700 lives, you know, like a 30 minute podcast about, you know, healing your thyroid or a 349 00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:44,180 30 minute podcast about, you know, mending the relationship with your parents or something 350 00:23:44,180 --> 00:23:53,260 like that to me feels a lot more meaningful than writing a pop song that, you know, is 351 00:23:53,260 --> 00:24:01,260 just getting, trying to make money essentially. So, so yeah, I don't know if that, if that's 352 00:24:01,260 --> 00:24:02,260 totally, yeah. 353 00:24:02,260 --> 00:24:05,820 I'm going to give you more credit though. I'm going to give you and even the musicians 354 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:09,540 out there a little bit more credit on this. And you know, it's, it reminds, there's a 355 00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:13,780 movie, Walk the Line with Johnny Cash and he comes into the studio to record and he 356 00:24:13,780 --> 00:24:17,900 wants to record his Christian music. And the guy basically says like, no, like, do you 357 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:25,700 have anything with feeling? You know, and he ends up singing that, that song, you know, 358 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:30,260 what's the song that he sings, Walk the Line? No, he sings the other one, Folsom Prison. 359 00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:36,460 And, you know, and that, that gets the guys atten-, well, you know, and I know we can, 360 00:24:36,460 --> 00:24:40,020 we can kind of demonize the music industry and I don't get me wrong. I think there's, 361 00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:44,100 I think there's people who do things for the wrong reasons too. But South by Southwest 362 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:48,380 alone, like the way that it brings people together, right? And gets communities to come 363 00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:53,740 together for the sake of the music. There's a byproduct, there's a ripple effect with 364 00:24:53,740 --> 00:25:01,380 that experience. The, the influence that we have also grows when we reach people where 365 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:07,660 they're at versus where we necessarily want them to be. And music has this amazing effect 366 00:25:07,660 --> 00:25:13,580 of getting people to come together for an experience. And so maybe it's indirect and 367 00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:18,620 it's a little bit subconscious. But I would, you know, there's, there's a lot of events 368 00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:22,780 out there that wouldn't be as complete. People wouldn't attend the Super Bowl the way they 369 00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:27,700 do without that halftime performance. And again, I know people are like, well, the Super 370 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:34,700 Bowl is evil. Look, I get it. Keep your opinions and what you want. When we, when we give the 371 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:41,240 gift of something wholesome to individuals, right? And we just kind of show up and do 372 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:48,500 our best with those experiences. Maybe the thought isn't directly related to service, 373 00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:55,220 but it doesn't mean the outcome isn't serving somebody for what they needed in that moment. 374 00:25:55,220 --> 00:26:00,740 Ed Sheeran song though. What do I know? It's one of my favorite songs. Have you heard that 375 00:26:00,740 --> 00:26:06,900 song before? I know that song. Yeah. Make the mainstream. But that song is love can 376 00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:11,040 change the world in a moment, but what do I know? You know, and it's, it's got a real 377 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,080 cool catch rhythm to it for those who want to get outside of the pop culture version 378 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,520 of Ed Sheeran. Cool. So I think, I think you're, I think you're doing a whole lot just by being 379 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:26,240 involved in the industry, staying centered on who you are, but also giving this experience 380 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,820 to people and then letting them find out about the rest of what you do. What's your vision 381 00:26:30,820 --> 00:26:35,540 for you though? What do you see for yourself? Cause I already defined it a tiny bit, but 382 00:26:35,540 --> 00:26:40,820 I'd love to hear in your own words. Where are you going with all of this, Justin? Yeah. 383 00:26:40,820 --> 00:26:47,020 I mean, it's sometimes foggy, but it's there. Like every, you know, it's always, it's always 384 00:26:47,020 --> 00:26:51,860 there. Like it's, it's, it's what I'm working towards every single day. But I think that 385 00:26:51,860 --> 00:27:00,000 it also, I'd be, I'd be foolish to think that at 24, I can kind of say for certain that 386 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,540 like, this is, you know, this is the meaning of my life and this is what I want to do. 387 00:27:03,540 --> 00:27:08,380 I think it changes with the things that I read and the people that I meet. And sometimes 388 00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:14,360 it's more towards business. Sometimes it's more towards music. Sometimes it's more towards 389 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:20,020 neither and, and, and backing away and focusing just on like family and that type of stuff. 390 00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:28,180 But it always centers around that I want to create music at the highest level and I want 391 00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:38,100 to be recognized worldwide as one of the most proficient or prolific songwriters in the 392 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:42,700 world. And I know that I have those abilities and I feel like I owe it to my upbringing 393 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:47,420 to do that. Cause I feel like I literally like, like I had the incubator of music. Like 394 00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:52,220 if there was ever, if there was ever somebody who was supposed to do something in the, in 395 00:27:52,220 --> 00:27:56,620 the world of music, yeah, it would, it would be like my upbringing. And so I feel like 396 00:27:56,620 --> 00:28:01,300 that's like, that's like woven into me and I don't exactly know what the songwriting 397 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:06,500 will be and I don't know what the music will be. I have like visions of potentially learning 398 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:12,780 how to like, um, compose more like orchestral stuff and, and maybe write for like movies 399 00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:17,340 and, and, and stuff like that. But there's, there's something in there. Uh, but, but on 400 00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:21,260 the other end, when it comes to music, the thing that I don't want is I don't want to 401 00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:26,100 be a starving artist. I do not want, because I know that there's, there's a certain amount 402 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:30,860 of romance to that. Like, Oh, you know, my art is, is everything and I won't compromise 403 00:28:30,860 --> 00:28:35,540 myself for, for, but, but really what happens to these people is they're compromising themselves 404 00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:40,280 left and right. And they are, they are at the mercy of every single person who offers 405 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:47,740 them deals to do anything, record labels, um, producers, uh, industry executives, like 406 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:52,220 they, they get small percentages of the pie. They compromise so that they can get into 407 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:57,420 rooms with important people. They say things and do things and create things that don't 408 00:28:57,420 --> 00:29:01,500 make sense to them. And it really all does come back to the fact that like they need 409 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:07,500 to live. So it's like, I have these skills in business. I, I have always had them and 410 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:14,740 I've always been attracted to business. So why not be like one of the only people ever 411 00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:20,420 to be like running one or multiple. I don't have a really clear vision on that yet because 412 00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:27,620 I'm still learning about business, but essentially run like a massive empire in the business 413 00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:36,140 world and then come to music as like this completely self-sufficient person who really, 414 00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:38,700 I don't think that's ever been done before where there's, where there's somebody who 415 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:44,620 starts in business and creates a massive business kind of at their own will, you know, not, 416 00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:49,620 not really necessarily like partnering with anybody or, or writing off of somebody else's 417 00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:53,980 co-tales, but really like at their own will creates a business, but then is also like 418 00:29:53,980 --> 00:29:59,460 a really, really talented musician and songwriter. And so I think like that will be my story 419 00:29:59,460 --> 00:30:03,140 is like, people will be like, Oh, like that's so, that's so weird. Like he's been building 420 00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:07,540 this business, but he also has like these crazy abilities in music as well. And so I 421 00:30:07,540 --> 00:30:10,780 think that there's something in there and really at the end of it, it all comes down 422 00:30:10,780 --> 00:30:16,300 to like, I want to be able to have complete freedom for me and my family so that we can 423 00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:23,580 do what we want, be where we want. And, and yeah, not have, not have money be a worry 424 00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:28,480 at all and be able to like, you know, homeschool our kids because we're going to be traveling 425 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,700 a lot. So school, public school won't be an option. Private school won't even be an option. 426 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,500 They're like, you know, back and forth between Italy. So there's a, there's a whole bunch 427 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,780 of things, but that, that sort of gives an overview of like business music and family 428 00:30:38,780 --> 00:30:44,500 are like probably the three core things. Yeah. That's amazing. And I, I appreciate you exploring 429 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:49,860 the depth of that. You explored both like the present future, the distant future. You 430 00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:53,740 even brought the past into the vision and the view. And now I want to go in the rear 431 00:30:53,740 --> 00:30:58,220 view mirror a bit further. So you talked about, there was anybody that was incubated for this 432 00:30:58,220 --> 00:31:03,100 and it was, it was probably you talk to us about that. What, you know, from, from your 433 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:09,420 own words, what from your past incubated the reality of your future? 434 00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:17,200 Well, my parents are, are opera singers, so they both went to Juilliard and they both 435 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,300 got in because of how good they were. Like they're both in and of themselves, both prodigal 436 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:29,320 singers. And my mom went to Juilliard when she was like 17 and she had also just gotten 437 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:35,620 like a full ride scholarship to a like Manhattan school of music, which is also like a prestigious 438 00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:40,960 like high school program for musicians as well. So yeah, my mom is like top level soprano 439 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,960 opera singer. I don't think there's anybody better. There's maybe singers who are different, 440 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,460 but better. I don't think you can really get better. Same thing with my dad. Like he's 441 00:31:48,460 --> 00:31:54,820 top level and had, you know, quite a career in opera, could have had a bigger career, 442 00:31:54,820 --> 00:31:58,140 but he wanted to have family and you know, traveling all the time wasn't part of that. 443 00:31:58,140 --> 00:32:05,260 But then growing up was like, there, there was always either a show that they were putting 444 00:32:05,260 --> 00:32:11,220 on preparing for. There was always a student who they were, who, who was in our house being 445 00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:16,740 taught, you know, usually there's a circulation of about 50 to a hundred people that would 446 00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:21,460 come for private lessons or group lessons. My dad would put on, you know, these master 447 00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:27,940 classes. And there was just always like weekly, like literally every, every week, sometimes 448 00:32:27,940 --> 00:32:35,180 daily preparation for shows, practicing for shows, remembering, like memorizing lyrics, 449 00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:40,660 teaching somebody music. So there was, yeah, it was like an incubator of, of not just music, 450 00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:46,060 but I was also watching my parents be like, they were leaders because there were hundreds 451 00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:50,060 of people in their shows and they were the top dogs. Like they were the people running 452 00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:55,540 it just from sheer talent. And they're both, they both have good, my dad is a very natural 453 00:32:55,540 --> 00:33:01,340 leader. Like people flock to him. They always have, but he doesn't try. And my mom is a 454 00:33:01,340 --> 00:33:06,940 kind of a like leader through being really good at organization and really like good 455 00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:12,280 at people skills. So kind of opposite. Um, whereas my dad doesn't necessarily even want 456 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,260 to be a leader, but people always have always flocked to him and they were running a business, 457 00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:22,060 a music business and putting on shows and marketing their shows and selling tickets 458 00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:26,020 and things. But they were also always studying music and always teaching people and singing 459 00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:32,420 in the house. And yeah. And so, I mean, like just constantly, I think what I was doing 460 00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:36,100 was just watching, you know, just being a kid, really, I wasn't like, it's not like 461 00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:39,620 I was five years old, like sitting in front of a piano playing like classical tunes, like 462 00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:43,580 seven hours, eight hours a day, or like, you know, having my, my parents be like, no, we 463 00:33:43,580 --> 00:33:49,940 sing that part again. Like never, not even, yeah. Yeah. Never. Like a lot of people imagine 464 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:54,660 that. Yeah. That didn't even happen for like, it didn't even happen for, for five minutes 465 00:33:54,660 --> 00:34:01,700 ever. It just didn't exist. It was like, I think my parents, I did do lessons with them 466 00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:06,580 as a kid, but, but not really. I was, I've just always been really like, I, I learned 467 00:34:06,580 --> 00:34:12,380 through watching and through like, do it, like doing things. And so I just, you know, 468 00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:16,260 just emulated my parents and just kept like singing things. And, and there's probably, 469 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:19,940 I don't think there was any like natural ability. Like I don't think there's any like physical 470 00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:24,380 alter alterations or something, you know, because of my parents, I don't really, I don't think 471 00:34:24,380 --> 00:34:28,060 that plays a role into it. I think that, I think that just from when you're like, you 472 00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:35,020 know, one to five, whatever you're doing and consuming is just so formative. And by the 473 00:34:35,020 --> 00:34:40,380 time I was like six, I could just sing, I could just sing like better than six year 474 00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:45,020 olds should be able to like much better. And I had this massive accent style. It sounds 475 00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:48,620 like, yeah, he was, I mean, not at that. He was, when I heard him, when he was a kid, 476 00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:54,940 I was like, what the heck? Like I, cause I, I, I heard that and that dude has some technical 477 00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:59,260 talent when he was just a kid. So you, you wonder, I think it's like, I think it's a 478 00:34:59,260 --> 00:35:07,500 mixture of like really just real imitation and combined with like a, a really like driven 479 00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:12,220 personality. And so it wasn't just my parents. Like I was also, I would hear a song and I 480 00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:17,260 would sing and my, and I would immediately be shaping my voice to sound more like the 481 00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:21,340 artist because I thought that that was cooler. I thought the song sounded better if I sounded 482 00:35:21,340 --> 00:35:24,540 like the artist, cause that's what the song sounded like. And I wanted to sound like the 483 00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:28,220 song. So I would shape my voice differently. I would, I would, you know, say different 484 00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:32,620 things or, or use different like techniques, depending on who, what song I was singing. 485 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:37,980 And, and I think, and then, you know, I'd be in the car with my dad and I'd be singing a 486 00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:42,060 song when I was like six or seven, but I would be singing the harmony part. So not the lead 487 00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:46,540 vocal, but I'd be singing like the, the part above the lead vocal. And he would be like, 488 00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:50,140 he, you know, he would ask me like, how, you know, how can you hear to do that? And I was like, 489 00:35:50,860 --> 00:35:56,780 it's just like, it's there. Like it, it exists in my life and he's like, oh, I've never been able 490 00:35:56,780 --> 00:36:03,900 to do that before. And, and so, so yeah. And same thing with my mom. Like they both, you know, 491 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:10,220 they both struggle with certain things like that, but it's, it's really been like bread into my, 492 00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:14,540 yeah, I don't know. I just, I just can feel it. I also can visualize everything when I'm doing it. 493 00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:20,460 Like I can, when I'm singing, like I can see the notes, like I can see the, the pitch, I can see 494 00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:26,860 where I'm bending the notes to, I can see my own like mouth and my jaw and see where it's positioned 495 00:36:26,860 --> 00:36:31,820 and like modify it as I'm singing. So there's a lot of visualization, a lot of imitation and just 496 00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:36,700 a lot of, I mean, I've probably sang for, I don't even know how long it's since I was six. It's like, 497 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:42,140 it's daily. So it's like, we're coming 10, 20,000 hours. I have no idea more. Who knows? It's been 498 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:47,500 constant every day harmonizing. You're way more than 10 and 20,000 hours. That's what I think. 499 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:54,380 Right? Yeah. It's gotta be more. Absolutely. That's so cool that you can see that. And it, 500 00:36:54,380 --> 00:37:00,620 it takes an incredible amount of, for me, it took a ton of self-confidence, you know, being able to 501 00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:04,620 overcome the doubt of like, man, if I miss this note, you know, I'm going to sound like an idiot. 502 00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:08,140 I don't know. People are going to think that of me and that I'm a bad singer and like, there's just 503 00:37:08,140 --> 00:37:14,380 snowball effect of imposter syndrome that can tear you down. So it's, it's so amazing that you 504 00:37:14,380 --> 00:37:20,540 were able to find that so early. As far as maximizing gifts for others, you hit on several 505 00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:27,340 points. You talked about one, I mean, your tenacity, your ability to just kind of dive in and your 506 00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:33,500 desire as a, as a human being to want more. You know, those are some, there, there are certain 507 00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:38,620 things that you inherit. There are certain things that you decide to do. Are there other means by 508 00:37:38,620 --> 00:37:45,820 which you've been able to maximize your gifts? If so, what are they? What have you done to be able 509 00:37:45,820 --> 00:37:49,180 to do that? I remember once where you told me before, but I'm going to let you lead on this one. 510 00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:57,260 Yeah. I'm curious about what that story was you also mentioned after, but I think what I have done 511 00:37:57,260 --> 00:38:05,980 is, you know, until I was about 16 or 17, I think I just let things go naturally. I didn't really 512 00:38:05,980 --> 00:38:13,420 push. I didn't really drive. I didn't, I didn't sort of intentionally choose any direction to go 513 00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:17,580 in. I just sort of, and that doesn't mean I didn't do anything. I did lots of stuff. I was always 514 00:38:17,580 --> 00:38:23,180 performing. I had a band that I managed. We did like hundreds of shows. I'd written some songs 515 00:38:23,180 --> 00:38:30,860 and stuff, but it was always just letting myself sort of go to what, what I wanted to do. And that 516 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:36,140 had its, that had its downsides as well, because there were, there were certain things like, let's 517 00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:43,180 say, you know, video games, which I think for a lot of sort of like, um, you know, highly driven 518 00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:48,860 people, I think, I think that kind of hijacks the brain, the part of the brain that loves to, to 519 00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:54,860 improve and to, to like really drive things. And, but I, but I think the biggest thing that, that 520 00:38:54,860 --> 00:39:03,260 that shaped me was when I turned like 17 and I realized, okay, like, you know, now I need to 521 00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:10,300 combine this, this intuition and this creativity that's been leading me. And I now need to combine 522 00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:16,300 it with a level of, you know, right brain, um, or maybe it's left brain. I don't remember which side 523 00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:20,860 is the more analytical side. I think it's, I think it's actually left, but whatever, let's just say, 524 00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:26,620 whatever. Yeah. I needed to combine it with a bit more of like a, a conservative approach of being 525 00:39:26,620 --> 00:39:33,100 like, okay, like, you know, now it's time to just, to start studying things and dialing in and really 526 00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:38,620 like figuring out, you know, how am I going to get ahead of this curve? Like I've always wanted to do 527 00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:42,620 things earlier than other people. I've always wanted to be the first in, I've always wanted to, 528 00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:49,660 you know, be, I guess just like be remarkable. Like I've always, I've always wanted to, and that's 529 00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:54,380 why everything that I do, I really do it very, like, I really put, put effort into every single 530 00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:59,980 piece of, of whatever I do. Um, and so I think, yeah, the biggest shift was just deciding that 531 00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:04,940 I needed to kind of step up and like, you know, take some responsibility and really like 532 00:40:04,940 --> 00:40:10,540 have some discipline. And I mean, that's kind of when everything changed. And that was about 533 00:40:10,540 --> 00:40:17,260 seven years ago. And what I've done in seven years, um, was at the sacrifice of a lot of stuff that 534 00:40:17,260 --> 00:40:22,620 I could have done. Um, you know, like staying up late, playing video games or partying or stuff like 535 00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:29,820 that. Um, and, and so I think, yeah, I think if that, if that makes sense, it's like, I, I could 536 00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:34,220 have imagined a life where I never dialed that. And I, and I, I could have imagined a future in 537 00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:38,300 which that never happened. And it wouldn't have looked that good to be honest. It would have, 538 00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:44,700 I could have become maybe very successful in music. I don't know, but, uh, but I don't think that 539 00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:52,060 success in, in career is, um, the most important place to be successful. And I think that, uh, 540 00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:57,420 like relationships and health are way more important. And then I would put career, maybe 541 00:40:57,420 --> 00:41:02,940 third. Um, and I don't think I would have dialed in the other things if I hadn't, uh, you know, 542 00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:06,460 apply that discipline and that, like I kicked myself in the butt, you know, it's like, I, 543 00:41:06,460 --> 00:41:10,780 it's like, I'm my own manager. I'm like, there's the creative little like dude inside me who like 544 00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:14,940 wants to do whatever he wants. And then I'm like also my own manager, if that makes sense. Oh, 545 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:19,980 it's huge, man. That's such a, that's such a blessing. And, you know, part of it, um, is, 546 00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:24,460 is probably your natural tendency to harmonize, right? You're harmonizing the aspects of your 547 00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:30,380 life. This is great. And there's balance, right? That people look at and talk about, 548 00:41:30,380 --> 00:41:34,860 there's different ways to feel and think through what balance looks like. Just because you're 549 00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:40,220 balancing doesn't mean that the scales are equal, right? The process of balance can have its ebbs 550 00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:45,900 and flows. And I see you diving into that. That's what struck me in our first interview was you 551 00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:52,860 talked about being on Fiverr and becoming, you know, the number one voiceover on Fiverr, but how 552 00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:58,620 you listen to your body and your mind tell you that, whoa, like I'm kind of hurting myself in 553 00:41:58,620 --> 00:42:06,780 this process and I need to shift. You, you maximize your gifts by, by having a reverence for your 554 00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:13,740 intuition. And I think a lot of us bury our intuition with the facts of life. You know, 555 00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:18,380 we get told like, Oh, you're either left brain or right brain. And then we're like, 556 00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:24,780 okay, I guess I'm right brain only. Um, you know, and then instead of following our internal compass 557 00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:29,820 and realizing like, no, no, like you have access to both, like just, just use it. Nope. I'm, 558 00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:36,700 I've been told, you know, this is what I am. And you, I can tell you have a lot of respect for 559 00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:42,780 people and what people's opinions are, but you also have, um, you're not going to bury that in 560 00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:48,860 our voice and put it away. You're going to respect it. And I think that's one of the greatest keys 561 00:42:48,860 --> 00:42:55,580 that visionaries can develop in order to maximize their own gifts is the willingness to accept that 562 00:42:56,380 --> 00:43:02,460 you know, far more for yourself, what you need, then you give yourself credit for. 563 00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:08,700 And if you're going to like external, you know, at the world to guide you like good luck. Um, 564 00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:12,220 you know, it's not, it's not coming from the loud voices outside to tell you what to do. 565 00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:20,780 Are there thoughts on that? Yeah, that, that's, uh, that's totally it. I just think that I just 566 00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:27,020 made a decision and it really cemented itself when I met my fiance, um, three years ago, 567 00:43:27,020 --> 00:43:32,300 that I was just going to craft my world intentionally. Like I was just not going to, 568 00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:36,380 I just like, didn't get along with, with teachers growing up or anybody who would tell me to do 569 00:43:36,380 --> 00:43:42,220 things and, and just didn't take well to, to, to not getting the things that I, that I wanted. 570 00:43:43,340 --> 00:43:52,540 Um, and so I would just always find a way to, to get what I wanted. Like the whole way, the whole 571 00:43:52,540 --> 00:43:58,060 way, the whole way through, like I just, I just didn't like a lot of stuff. And so I just, just 572 00:43:58,060 --> 00:44:02,700 did it differently or figured out a way to do it differently. And that made me a very difficult 573 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:09,020 kid to raise at times as I've been told, but, um, but I think I've, I think I've channeled that 574 00:44:09,020 --> 00:44:14,860 into like, you know, the things that I want are things that I should want. Like, you know, like, 575 00:44:15,740 --> 00:44:19,580 I mean, something that I think about a lot, which is on a really deep level is like, um, 576 00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:25,340 if a family member was sick and they needed some type of treatment and it costs like half a million 577 00:44:25,340 --> 00:44:32,940 dollars and they had to make the decision to not do that because of finances, um, I would want to 578 00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:41,180 be in a position where I would write a check with zero, like nothing, like not even a thought and 579 00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:46,220 just, and just, yeah, just like not even look back, like just drop it because, because to me it's like 580 00:44:46,220 --> 00:44:52,620 the idea that money that, you know, can be essentially printed out of thin air. It's a 581 00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:57,900 resource that at this point is, is, you know, it's just conceptual. The fact that that number 582 00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:02,700 could define whether or not somebody continues to live. Like that is, that is a great example 583 00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:09,020 of me being like, heck no, I will not accept that. And I'm, that's the, that's the future that I'm 584 00:45:09,020 --> 00:45:14,380 preparing for is like, I will not know. They will not say no to me. Like I will not, I will not, I 585 00:45:14,380 --> 00:45:18,540 will not allow it. And so, and there's a lot of examples like that. And another one would be like, 586 00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:22,700 you know, if my fiance wants to fly home and see your family, um, being like, oh, we, you know, we 587 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:27,980 can't afford that this year. Heck no, absolutely not. I will not accept it. And so I think that's a 588 00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:33,500 big part of it as well. Um, and so there's a certain amount of sacrifice. Like I think life would be 589 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:40,780 easier and sometimes more joyful if I was not thinking this way. Um, but I will sacrifice a 590 00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:47,980 small percentage of, you know, uh, immediate gratification for something much larger, um, for 591 00:45:47,980 --> 00:45:48,820 the future. 592 00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:54,620 That's an interesting word choice. Um, the, the joyful aspect, I'm sure that depends on the 593 00:45:54,620 --> 00:46:03,180 definition of somebody's joy or like what joy is to people. Um, and, uh, you know, I would, I would 594 00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:09,420 say maybe, maybe instant happiness for me, I would define that more as, as happiness. And I think 595 00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:15,660 that for me, joy comes from doing the right thing, you know, regardless of the immediate 596 00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:20,460 consequence, but for that long, it's like seeing your child graduate top of their class, you know, 597 00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:25,740 because you helped them understand the value of study, um, and the value of being diligent and 598 00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:33,340 beyond, um, or the value of recognizing that they gave their best effort and they're a C student, 599 00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:39,340 but you're proud of them because they worked the tail off. Um, so I think that's a good 600 00:46:39,340 --> 00:46:46,140 point. There's, there's, you'd rob yourself of joy by tying your happiness to an external 601 00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:51,420 expectation. So lots of, lots of things we can do to play with those words and what we want out of 602 00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:55,820 life. And I think that's, that's what for those of you visionaries listening in, that's what Justin's 603 00:46:55,820 --> 00:47:02,220 talking about is being willing to stay centered on that internal compass and intuition that's 604 00:47:02,220 --> 00:47:09,740 ultimately guiding you to what feels and is best for you, even though others may disagree with it, 605 00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:16,220 scoff and say whatever they want their, their opinion, you know, to be validated. No, I'm not 606 00:47:16,220 --> 00:47:21,020 validating it. I'm going to do things the way that I know they need to be done in my life too. So 607 00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:25,420 Justin, we ran out of time. I would love to have you come back. We didn't talk about three of my 608 00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:31,020 absolute favorite questions. Um, the, what's the worst leadership experience ever? What's the best 609 00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:36,060 leadership and what's your most powerful lesson? I don't want to force those. I'd love to bring 610 00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:40,620 you back there. Would you come back on the show? Yeah, I want to answer those for sure. Okay. 611 00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:45,020 Fantastic. Then we'll plan on that vision pros. Those of you listening in that, um, you know, 612 00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:49,500 enjoy this experience and the action steps below, you'll see all the links where you can connect to 613 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:53,900 Justin. Um, you know, and you can get, like I said, you can get music training on his Instagram 614 00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:58,380 channel. That's cool. And see how he's, see what songs he's writing and reproducing and what 615 00:47:58,380 --> 00:48:03,020 genres of music is interested in. I bet you can even make requests on there of songs that you like. 616 00:48:03,020 --> 00:48:06,140 Oh, please. Wouldn't that be cool? Yeah, please do. 617 00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:12,860 Make the requests in there for songs you'd like to hear him produce. Um, and also, and when it 618 00:48:12,860 --> 00:48:18,700 comes to Podgy podcasts, if you're in the podcast industry looking for help on launching your podcast, 619 00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:22,140 he's an expert when it comes to that too. So we'll have that link in there. We'll have all the 620 00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:26,620 resources that we discussed. And in the top right corner of the screen, you're going to see a button 621 00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:31,260 that says, be our guest. That's for those of you listening in. If you want to come share your vision, 622 00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:37,180 you know, it, it doesn't matter if you're Ed Sheeran or Dr. Dre, and you got all these cool 623 00:48:37,180 --> 00:48:41,420 accolades and things that are going on, you know, if they want to be on the show, by all means, 624 00:48:41,420 --> 00:48:47,100 we'd love to have them. But if your name is John Doe and you don't have your vision well established 625 00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:50,620 yet, but your vision's pure, you want to be a great leader, you want to help people and you want to 626 00:48:50,620 --> 00:48:55,660 share it, come join us on the show. Come rock the mic with us and, and, uh, allow us to hear what 627 00:48:55,660 --> 00:49:01,020 you're up to and everybody, we will see you guys in the next episode. As we, uh, fade out today, 628 00:49:01,020 --> 00:49:05,580 I'm going to put one more time on the screen. This clip from Daft Punk that Justin Moore sang, 629 00:49:05,580 --> 00:49:09,660 because it is just super cool and you can catch the rest on his Instagram channel. 630 00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:26,700 Justin, thanks for being here. I'll talk to you right after we wrap up. 631 00:49:39,660 --> 00:50:09,500 Thank you for being here today. 632 00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:14,700 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions 633 00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:19,180 as these episodes continue to move forward. This is going to get more and more fun. We'll have more 634 00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:23,820 and more engagement as well. We'll invite people to participate in the show and thank you for giving 635 00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:39,820 us your time and attention. Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a