It's my, it's my ram.
You do too much.
Oh, it's like, well, that's what happens
when you have Justin Moore coming on, you know?
You gotta make it all happen at once.
Oh, awesome.
So we're gonna be talking about maximizing your gifts
with songwriting legend, Justin Moore today.
This is gonna be awesome.
You are an absolute legend of songwriting.
I've seen your Instagram and super impressed
with your leadership in the podcast world.
And then I get hit with this massive vision
where you're ready to become the most recognized songwriter
of our century.
I'm like, what?
Like that too?
Cool.
So yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff
that I've learned about you that have inspired that.
I'm sure your opera singing parents that went to Juilliard
had a big impression on that.
And you know, the fact that what you were number one
on Fiverr for voiceovers as well.
Yeah.
So singing other people's songs,
which was a weird experience half the time.
Right?
So there's a lot that's there, but songwriting,
that's like a different level of music too, right?
That's like the poetry side.
I mean, don't get me wrong, the chicken nugget song is awesome
and I'm a fan of it with my kiddos.
But you're, you know, to be the songwriter,
you gotta go like Ed Sheeran level and like go deep too.
What, where did this poetic nature of songwriting come from?
And you know, are you a fan of Avicii?
Rest in peace.
Are you, you know, not a fan?
Where do you stand currently in the singing stratosphere
and the songwriting stratosphere?
Honestly, I think songwriting itself maybe never even,
I was never really drawn to it growing up.
I preferred performing.
I preferred like being on stage, playing an instrument
and singing and having my bandmates back me up
with backup vocals and stuff.
Like that was the most, that was kind of like
the most exciting part of music for me.
And I actually would always prefer like
to just sing other people's songs.
Like to me, it was like, here's these awesome songs
that other people have written that I love,
that people have like poured their heart into.
Why not just like sing their songs, right?
And like ride off the waves of loving that music
because what I found and what I know now from other artists
is that when you write your own song,
and I shouldn't say just other artists,
I know this myself, when you write your own song
through the process of writing it,
it becomes a little bit stale as you're writing it
because your ears become tired to the same chords
and the same melody and the same music.
And you get into like sort of a tunnel visioned
sort of experience where, you know,
you can't really hear the song for what it is
as a whole anymore.
It's just its pieces and it's very kind of,
just like lost the kind of like magic.
And so I've honestly,
I've never performed one of my songs live.
I've only ever performed other people's songs live.
And I think that other people's songs,
you didn't write them.
All you do is, you know, you sing them live on stage.
So you're not kind of burning them out
and you just get to enjoy the music.
And I think growing up, that's what I like to do.
But as I've gotten older,
I really love the process of producing a song.
I love the process of, you know, adding a guitar in here
and then adding like a synthesizer in here.
And then here's the drum, the drum, the kick drum
and everything and everything kind of all blends together,
especially the melody.
I love writing melodies.
I love looking for weird melodies.
And somebody who can hear, who does this a lot,
like mainstream is Julia Michaels.
Like she will, she just says, you know,
here's this like, you know, four chords
and how can I create a melody
that is like nothing you've heard?
And she plays with the rhythm to the point
where the rhythm is all over the place.
And then the melody, she's hitting notes.
Like it's almost like she's playing like a piano solo
or something with her voice and adding lyrics to it.
Like all the notes are being played at different times.
And so that's somebody who I, who I, I'm like, okay, yeah,
I can compare like the way that I write to that.
But the lyrics itself, like,
I don't know if lyrics are something
that really excite me that much.
I think what excites me more is when the right lyric hits
over the right melody and fits phonetically,
because it's not just the actual rhyming.
It's also the phonetics of like,
how does this sound feel to sing over this melody,
over these chords?
And when all those things line up,
that's when I love the lyrics.
Like when I find the right lyric,
it's more like, oh, this fits the song so much
rather than like, rather than like making the song
fit the lyric, if that makes sense.
So yeah, that'd be my answer.
You're welcome to completely argue with me on this too,
right?
This is, you know, as a fellow musician,
but more of a closet, campfire musician.
When the song Madness came out,
it hit me like, oh my gosh, like a brick wall.
What song is that?
Madness by Muse.
Oh, I know this song.
Madness, ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma.
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
So I heard it and I was like,
this is gonna be one of the greatest hits of all time.
I called it and it sure enough it did.
The greatest hit of all time at its time.
And the power of it is that,
yeah, the climax of the song,
you know, of what they're singing about.
And the Madness that he's so obsessed with
is that power of love and being stuck with it.
And it just, it hits in the perfect way
at the perfect time.
Oh my gosh, it's just, you know,
it's so amazing when somebody can combine
both of those powers together,
where the lyrics and the music come together
at the perfect timing.
And I know we sound like two guys
talking about an art studio right now.
Yeah.
And it's like, can you just show us the art?
And so speaking of, for those of you who wanna hear it,
I'm gonna play a clip of Justin right now.
I'd love to get him to play live with us sometime on this.
That would be so, we'll get you back
and maybe you'll play one of your personal songs
live on the show.
That would be awesome.
Totally.
So we're gonna listen to this clip.
We're gonna come back, we're gonna talk to Justin
about three resources he recommends
for visionary leaders out there.
But let's just enjoy the beauty that this is.
You know.
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third
I love that one. I gotta say something about that too because that went pretty viral and
I got a lot of comments like, you know, oh, so much autotune or something like that. And
I was like, yeah, of course, it's Daft Punk. I cranked the autotune to the max. But if
you listen to some of the other ones, there's like almost no autotune on them. But I think
the cool thing about those videos is like, you can hear at the beginning, like the first
few voices, it's like, I'm barely pronouncing any of the words. It's like, right. It's very
like, again, like just, just the sounds like, like, and kind of just like really relaxed
mouth through the whole thing. And people also comment on that. They're like, why does
it sound like you have like a speech impediment for the first few like voices? And I'm like,
well, because actually when you're, when you're putting together harmonies and you're stacking
vocals one by one like that, it's better if the background vocals are not like emphasizing
the words so much and creating a lot of like phonetic phonetic clashes. Because when the
lead comes, you want the lead to have the full rounded pronunciation, but you want the
vocals before to be supportive, not like competing. So what's cool is you never hear harmonies
on their own in music. So people are, they're like, why does it sound like that? And I'm
like, because you've never heard, you've never heard this before, but this is what background
vocals sound like in a lot of pop music. So I think that's one of the cool videos.
It's one of my favorite things about your Instagram channel is you reveal this stuff.
Like, so I was sitting there watching like 20 minutes. I learned far too much about music
as somebody who claims to be a musician. I was like, holy crap, he is such an amazing
teacher. I was like, this is so cool. And the things that you taught about singing as
well. I mean, I, you know, I learned to sing just by kind of doing it in Uruguay, you know,
and as a missionary, and I had a couple of companions down there and friends who were
all state singers. And so just kind of like studying what they were doing and always feeling
very intimidated that I had to sing with them was like, but I realized like I actually sound
pretty good with these guys. And, but I didn't know all the mechanics. So watching your channel,
like, it was like, oh my gosh, he's like a god of music. So cool. You know, he knows
all these little tips and tricks. So if you're in the music realm, you're going to love that
as a resource, but three resources, Justin, as a leader or visionary, what are three resources
that have helped you?
The biggest out of, out of everything that I think I've consumed in terms of self-development,
because I guess that's kind of what we're talking about here is just developing like
yourself, whether it's your mind or your body, whatever. When I started, this was probably
when I was about 17, so seven years ago, the first thing that really shifted my perspective
monumentally was Jordan Peterson's books and, and his podcast. I will say that I probably,
I mean, probably 2000 hours of, of, of podcasts and books, multiple listens through his longest
things. It changed my perspective about so many things in it. And it, it really, I went
from being like a, you know, a kid and a teenager to being like, okay, like this is, this is
now what I have to do. Like I got to, you know, I've got to take some responsibility
and start making things happen. And so I've always been very creative and very passionate,
but combining that with the sort of discipline to actually make things happen and put in
the work and be patient, that came from listening to, to his stuff. It also gave me a real respect
and understanding for religion because of his lengthy series on, on like his biblical
lectures, which has played a huge role in, you know, now my relationship with religion
as well. And so that would be number one. And, and then sort of on the more like business
slash entrepreneur side of things, two books that have made a big impact on me have been
number one, funny enough, shoe dog by Phil, Phil Knight. So the Nike story that was, yeah,
that was game-changing. Just the relationship that he had with risk and how it almost crumbled,
you know, 50 times. And, and the way, I think the biggest thing that, that impacted me on
that one was like the way that his team came to his side and like how the business quickly
became more than just him. And like it was, it had its own, you know, and he was, he was
good friends with all of his people and they were all excited and aligned towards the same
vision, which I think was really cool. And then the, the third resource would be another
book, one that I'm almost on now, which is Elon Musk's book. The there's two versions.
There's one by Ashley something, I forget her last name, but the one that I've I'm reading
is the Walter Isaacson version. And that book too, I like, I think that the biggest thing
that stood out for me on that one is, is that he, he looks at everything and questions every
step of the process, no matter what it is. So when, so when, you know, when, when he
says, okay, what, you know, why are we spending a million dollars on this, this piece of equipment
for this rocket? And he says, well, it's a safety measure put in place by this people.
And he says, who, who is the actual person? And then he gets the name of the person that
he flies to them and meets them one-on-one. And then he ends up, you know, realizing that
it was just a bureaucratic kind of roadblock. And the time he does this over and over and
over again, and it just kind of made me realize that, you know, keeping an open mind beyond
even what you think might be open and, and realizing that, that you're, you're like,
your vision and your, your drive can make things happen that people have made you think
is impossible or that even if there's roadblocks, like, I mean, yeah. So that was, that book
just kind of took what I think is already like relatively open mind. And I just, it
just expanded even farther. And for me, like, I've always questioning, oh, can I really
do music and business at once? Like, is it really possible? And then I look at what he
did and I'm like, uh, yeah, if he can do that, it's probably possible to do two things at
once.
Right. Right. I think Dr. Dre is doing a pretty good job of that. Yeah, absolutely. There's
lots of guys like that. Totally. Yeah.
Yeah. I love that you referenced the book and yet the book referenced returning to the
actual resource, right? The fountain that it is. So you can just stick with the book,
but now you can go find Elon as well. All right. And pick his brain. And you talked,
you know, Jordan Peterson as well. It would be easy to point to a book or one specific
thing, but you're talking about learning from the source itself. Funny that you mentioned
him yesterday. I tried to do my first Jordan Peterson and per impersonation personation
ever. Oh, it's awful. I have no capacity to emulate that man. I've tried. I've tried many
times. I bet you're better than me at it, but man, he's, he is something else. Um, as
far as the leader goes, his ability to think through so many different paradigms and bridge
those gaps, um, it takes a depth of study, um, and on a willingness to kind of stay humble
about things yet, you know, he doesn't let that interfere with his own sense of security
and his own poise. Um, so there's, there's so many things that can be a 2000. You say
you've watched 2000 hours of his footage. I say that's probably on the, that's probably
not, it's probably more than that. I think I was being conservative. I mean, hundreds
of podcast episodes multiple times. It's a worthwhile resource. I'm catching up to you.
Um, I'm catching up to you with him. I didn't come across my radar until maybe a year and
a half ago. Oh, wow. Um, and I was, yeah, it's, it's weird to you. Like all of a sudden,
like what, you know, it's like finding Michael Jordan for the first time at 36 and it's like,
oh man, that's awkward to admit. Got a lot of studying to do backlog, the years of content
he's created. I do. That's right, man. So I appreciate you throwing those resources
out there and we're going to dive into a little bit of a break. We'll come back and we'll
dive into your vision full steam ahead. All right. Welcome in to vision pros live.
With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host. We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs
and guest leaders who are building fantastic visions out there.
Hey, what's up everybody. Welcome into another episode of vision pros live. I'm your show
host, Jackson Calame, and I'm so excited to have the Justin Moore on my podcast today.
Now most people that I know in my circle know him as the podgy podcast expert. He is doing
awesome things in the world of podcasting. And so when I saw his form submission as a
vision pro that he's on his route to becoming the number one songwriter of the century,
I was like, what? Oh my gosh, cool. I mean, I'm multifaceted. He's already serving at
high levels in the podcast industry. And he's also got these extreme talents with music
and he's just a joy to talk to. So I'm excited for us to dive in and hear about this vision
and what he's doing for it and how it's going to help the rest of us too. There's just so
many cool angles on this. Before we bring Justin on stage though, we've got a couple
of new sponsors to talk about. These are new resources that I highly recommend checking
out. Especially if you're in the military for the first one, the hard to kill podcast
with Dave Marl. It's such an awesome show and Dave is helping 100,000 veterans lose
2 million pounds collectively. And I love the premise as to why he's doing that. A lot
of people get back from war. I can't speak from personal experience, but I've definitely
seen some friends and I've watched some movies about it. They can lose sight of their purpose
after they come back. And so if you've ever been in that situation where you feel like
you're losing your identity because you're not working out as much as you used to, one
of the things I love about Dave is he's dedicated his life to helping these veterans make sure
that they continue to be their best self and make sure that they have that same self identity
and experience of, you know what, if I look good and I take care of my body, then I'll
feel good. And then I can, of course, go and produce and do good. So he does a much better
job than I do of talking to that message, which is why he's one of the elite podcasts
in the military space. I highly recommend checking out what he's put together and how
he's leading in the world. So moving into Magix Productions, we've got Peyton Childers.
Peyton Childers helped us with our event at First Class Networking in Dallas. He ran the
live production and live streaming of our event and he had three different cameras set
up. He was able to pull in these different camera angles for the event, allow people
to join us virtually and see what that was like, and also just produce a whole ton of
content that we can then use for B-roll purposes and for producing content based on the sponsors
who were there. And he had all these visions for how he was going to take things to the
next level. What was interesting when I interviewed him the other day, as I found out, he was
part of the video production crew for the Texas Rangers last year when they won the
championship. He was also right before that, part of the video production crew for the
University of Sam Houston when they won their championship. So he's got two of these championship
rings from these organizations that are authentic and legit, and he is super authentic and legit.
I highly recommend checking out what he's up to. If you've got an event anywhere in
the United States, probably, or Canada or Mexico, Peyton would be happy to come out
to the event, support it and be your AV guy. So he's been a joy to work with, has the
hospitality skills of a 30-year veteran, yet the flexibility of a 25-year-old.
Then we got the water project. The water project is something that I've forced into my heart.
Why? Because I have no idea what it's like not to have clean drinking water. But when
I found out that there's millions of people who don't, I just, I couldn't let it go. I
was like, I got to do something to help out with this. So we do contribute to the water
project. We also hope to inspire you to consider doing the same. What I love about this program
is they treat it like Kickstarter or crowdfunding, where you can see the actual place that you're
contributing to, and then they document the process so you can see the results and the
outcome of what you've been able to help provide. Whether it's a borehole well or a sand dam
that they're creating in these environments, in these communities, we're talking about
helping generations of individuals have access to clean drinking water. This keeps kids in
school in a different way. When you're, you know, these kids aren't leaving because of
drugs or something crazy, they have to leave their schooling in order to go find water
three to five miles sometimes away from the school and then bring it back for everybody
to benefit from. Or parents have to leave their work to do that. You can imagine how
crippling that is for their education and for their economies. We have the opportunity
to do something about it. Now, if economics has been hard for you over the last couple
of years, you're not in a position to give, my request is that you just tell other people
about this experience. And maybe you never know if you end up touching the heart of somebody
who ends up giving $10,000 and helping a lot of these communities. But we got 8 billion
people in this world to help and we can go about doing that together. Without further
ado, Justin Moore, thank you so much for being on Vision Pros Live.
Thank you, Jackson. Thanks for having me.
Absolutely. So I'm going to ask a strange question. I think people don't give enough
credit to the power of music. What is your vision for those that you serve? And is music,
do you feel like music is an outlet of service and of itself? Let's talk about that.
I've been definitely thinking about that a lot more recently because I think that business
is as long as you're doing it in like the right way or I don't know quote unquote the
right way, I feel like your job is to serve people and to help people in some way and
to create change and to have some type of impact on people's lives. And I think with
music, as far as the pop industry goes or the dance industry goes or any of the real
mainstream industries go, I think there is a lack of, I just don't think that people
see it that way. I don't think that people see creating music as a way to serve people.
I think that they see it as a way to serve themselves. And that's, you know, music may,
the song you write may help somebody great, but the music that's being created now, that's
just not, that's not really what it's doing, at least for the majority of songs. It's
not, it's like the lyrics don't really mean stuff like they used to. Like I look back
at songs that did help people like old, you know, rock music and I know people say that
a certain song saved their lives or something like that. And I don't see a lot of that
being created anymore and being promoted like at least in mainstream music. And so that's
why, that's why it's been important to me to not pigeon, pigeonhole myself just into
the music industry and to be, to be doing something that is like, I don't think this
will be my only business. Like I think, I think there's something a lot bigger that
I'm going to take part in as things go, go along. But for now, being able to create,
help people create content that goes out and then truly does make an impact in people's
lives, you know, like a 30 minute podcast about, you know, healing your thyroid or a
30 minute podcast about, you know, mending the relationship with your parents or something
like that to me feels a lot more meaningful than writing a pop song that, you know, is
just getting, trying to make money essentially. So, so yeah, I don't know if that, if that's
totally, yeah.
I'm going to give you more credit though. I'm going to give you and even the musicians
out there a little bit more credit on this. And you know, it's, it reminds, there's a
movie, Walk the Line with Johnny Cash and he comes into the studio to record and he
wants to record his Christian music. And the guy basically says like, no, like, do you
have anything with feeling? You know, and he ends up singing that, that song, you know,
what's the song that he sings, Walk the Line? No, he sings the other one, Folsom Prison.
And, you know, and that, that gets the guys atten-, well, you know, and I know we can,
we can kind of demonize the music industry and I don't get me wrong. I think there's,
I think there's people who do things for the wrong reasons too. But South by Southwest
alone, like the way that it brings people together, right? And gets communities to come
together for the sake of the music. There's a byproduct, there's a ripple effect with
that experience. The, the influence that we have also grows when we reach people where
they're at versus where we necessarily want them to be. And music has this amazing effect
of getting people to come together for an experience. And so maybe it's indirect and
it's a little bit subconscious. But I would, you know, there's, there's a lot of events
out there that wouldn't be as complete. People wouldn't attend the Super Bowl the way they
do without that halftime performance. And again, I know people are like, well, the Super
Bowl is evil. Look, I get it. Keep your opinions and what you want. When we, when we give the
gift of something wholesome to individuals, right? And we just kind of show up and do
our best with those experiences. Maybe the thought isn't directly related to service,
but it doesn't mean the outcome isn't serving somebody for what they needed in that moment.
Ed Sheeran song though. What do I know? It's one of my favorite songs. Have you heard that
song before? I know that song. Yeah. Make the mainstream. But that song is love can
change the world in a moment, but what do I know? You know, and it's, it's got a real
cool catch rhythm to it for those who want to get outside of the pop culture version
of Ed Sheeran. Cool. So I think, I think you're, I think you're doing a whole lot just by being
involved in the industry, staying centered on who you are, but also giving this experience
to people and then letting them find out about the rest of what you do. What's your vision
for you though? What do you see for yourself? Cause I already defined it a tiny bit, but
I'd love to hear in your own words. Where are you going with all of this, Justin? Yeah.
I mean, it's sometimes foggy, but it's there. Like every, you know, it's always, it's always
there. Like it's, it's, it's what I'm working towards every single day. But I think that
it also, I'd be, I'd be foolish to think that at 24, I can kind of say for certain that
like, this is, you know, this is the meaning of my life and this is what I want to do.
I think it changes with the things that I read and the people that I meet. And sometimes
it's more towards business. Sometimes it's more towards music. Sometimes it's more towards
neither and, and, and backing away and focusing just on like family and that type of stuff.
But it always centers around that I want to create music at the highest level and I want
to be recognized worldwide as one of the most proficient or prolific songwriters in the
world. And I know that I have those abilities and I feel like I owe it to my upbringing
to do that. Cause I feel like I literally like, like I had the incubator of music. Like
if there was ever, if there was ever somebody who was supposed to do something in the, in
the world of music, yeah, it would, it would be like my upbringing. And so I feel like
that's like, that's like woven into me and I don't exactly know what the songwriting
will be and I don't know what the music will be. I have like visions of potentially learning
how to like, um, compose more like orchestral stuff and, and maybe write for like movies
and, and, and stuff like that. But there's, there's something in there. Uh, but, but on
the other end, when it comes to music, the thing that I don't want is I don't want to
be a starving artist. I do not want, because I know that there's, there's a certain amount
of romance to that. Like, Oh, you know, my art is, is everything and I won't compromise
myself for, for, but, but really what happens to these people is they're compromising themselves
left and right. And they are, they are at the mercy of every single person who offers
them deals to do anything, record labels, um, producers, uh, industry executives, like
they, they get small percentages of the pie. They compromise so that they can get into
rooms with important people. They say things and do things and create things that don't
make sense to them. And it really all does come back to the fact that like they need
to live. So it's like, I have these skills in business. I, I have always had them and
I've always been attracted to business. So why not be like one of the only people ever
to be like running one or multiple. I don't have a really clear vision on that yet because
I'm still learning about business, but essentially run like a massive empire in the business
world and then come to music as like this completely self-sufficient person who really,
I don't think that's ever been done before where there's, where there's somebody who
starts in business and creates a massive business kind of at their own will, you know, not,
not really necessarily like partnering with anybody or, or writing off of somebody else's
co-tales, but really like at their own will creates a business, but then is also like
a really, really talented musician and songwriter. And so I think like that will be my story
is like, people will be like, Oh, like that's so, that's so weird. Like he's been building
this business, but he also has like these crazy abilities in music as well. And so I
think that there's something in there and really at the end of it, it all comes down
to like, I want to be able to have complete freedom for me and my family so that we can
do what we want, be where we want. And, and yeah, not have, not have money be a worry
at all and be able to like, you know, homeschool our kids because we're going to be traveling
a lot. So school, public school won't be an option. Private school won't even be an option.
They're like, you know, back and forth between Italy. So there's a, there's a whole bunch
of things, but that, that sort of gives an overview of like business music and family
are like probably the three core things. Yeah. That's amazing. And I, I appreciate you exploring
the depth of that. You explored both like the present future, the distant future. You
even brought the past into the vision and the view. And now I want to go in the rear
view mirror a bit further. So you talked about, there was anybody that was incubated for this
and it was, it was probably you talk to us about that. What, you know, from, from your
own words, what from your past incubated the reality of your future?
Well, my parents are, are opera singers, so they both went to Juilliard and they both
got in because of how good they were. Like they're both in and of themselves, both prodigal
singers. And my mom went to Juilliard when she was like 17 and she had also just gotten
like a full ride scholarship to a like Manhattan school of music, which is also like a prestigious
like high school program for musicians as well. So yeah, my mom is like top level soprano
opera singer. I don't think there's anybody better. There's maybe singers who are different,
but better. I don't think you can really get better. Same thing with my dad. Like he's
top level and had, you know, quite a career in opera, could have had a bigger career,
but he wanted to have family and you know, traveling all the time wasn't part of that.
But then growing up was like, there, there was always either a show that they were putting
on preparing for. There was always a student who they were, who, who was in our house being
taught, you know, usually there's a circulation of about 50 to a hundred people that would
come for private lessons or group lessons. My dad would put on, you know, these master
classes. And there was just always like weekly, like literally every, every week, sometimes
daily preparation for shows, practicing for shows, remembering, like memorizing lyrics,
teaching somebody music. So there was, yeah, it was like an incubator of, of not just music,
but I was also watching my parents be like, they were leaders because there were hundreds
of people in their shows and they were the top dogs. Like they were the people running
it just from sheer talent. And they're both, they both have good, my dad is a very natural
leader. Like people flock to him. They always have, but he doesn't try. And my mom is a
kind of a like leader through being really good at organization and really like good
at people skills. So kind of opposite. Um, whereas my dad doesn't necessarily even want
to be a leader, but people always have always flocked to him and they were running a business,
a music business and putting on shows and marketing their shows and selling tickets
and things. But they were also always studying music and always teaching people and singing
in the house. And yeah. And so, I mean, like just constantly, I think what I was doing
was just watching, you know, just being a kid, really, I wasn't like, it's not like
I was five years old, like sitting in front of a piano playing like classical tunes, like
seven hours, eight hours a day, or like, you know, having my, my parents be like, no, we
sing that part again. Like never, not even, yeah. Yeah. Never. Like a lot of people imagine
that. Yeah. That didn't even happen for like, it didn't even happen for, for five minutes
ever. It just didn't exist. It was like, I think my parents, I did do lessons with them
as a kid, but, but not really. I was, I've just always been really like, I, I learned
through watching and through like, do it, like doing things. And so I just, you know,
just emulated my parents and just kept like singing things. And, and there's probably,
I don't think there was any like natural ability. Like I don't think there's any like physical
alter alterations or something, you know, because of my parents, I don't really, I don't think
that plays a role into it. I think that, I think that just from when you're like, you
know, one to five, whatever you're doing and consuming is just so formative. And by the
time I was like six, I could just sing, I could just sing like better than six year
olds should be able to like much better. And I had this massive accent style. It sounds
like, yeah, he was, I mean, not at that. He was, when I heard him, when he was a kid,
I was like, what the heck? Like I, cause I, I, I heard that and that dude has some technical
talent when he was just a kid. So you, you wonder, I think it's like, I think it's a
mixture of like really just real imitation and combined with like a, a really like driven
personality. And so it wasn't just my parents. Like I was also, I would hear a song and I
would sing and my, and I would immediately be shaping my voice to sound more like the
artist because I thought that that was cooler. I thought the song sounded better if I sounded
like the artist, cause that's what the song sounded like. And I wanted to sound like the
song. So I would shape my voice differently. I would, I would, you know, say different
things or, or use different like techniques, depending on who, what song I was singing.
And, and I think, and then, you know, I'd be in the car with my dad and I'd be singing a
song when I was like six or seven, but I would be singing the harmony part. So not the lead
vocal, but I'd be singing like the, the part above the lead vocal. And he would be like,
he, you know, he would ask me like, how, you know, how can you hear to do that? And I was like,
it's just like, it's there. Like it, it exists in my life and he's like, oh, I've never been able
to do that before. And, and so, so yeah. And same thing with my mom. Like they both, you know,
they both struggle with certain things like that, but it's, it's really been like bread into my,
yeah, I don't know. I just, I just can feel it. I also can visualize everything when I'm doing it.
Like I can, when I'm singing, like I can see the notes, like I can see the, the pitch, I can see
where I'm bending the notes to, I can see my own like mouth and my jaw and see where it's positioned
and like modify it as I'm singing. So there's a lot of visualization, a lot of imitation and just
a lot of, I mean, I've probably sang for, I don't even know how long it's since I was six. It's like,
it's daily. So it's like, we're coming 10, 20,000 hours. I have no idea more. Who knows? It's been
constant every day harmonizing. You're way more than 10 and 20,000 hours. That's what I think.
Right? Yeah. It's gotta be more. Absolutely. That's so cool that you can see that. And it,
it takes an incredible amount of, for me, it took a ton of self-confidence, you know, being able to
overcome the doubt of like, man, if I miss this note, you know, I'm going to sound like an idiot.
I don't know. People are going to think that of me and that I'm a bad singer and like, there's just
snowball effect of imposter syndrome that can tear you down. So it's, it's so amazing that you
were able to find that so early. As far as maximizing gifts for others, you hit on several
points. You talked about one, I mean, your tenacity, your ability to just kind of dive in and your
desire as a, as a human being to want more. You know, those are some, there, there are certain
things that you inherit. There are certain things that you decide to do. Are there other means by
which you've been able to maximize your gifts? If so, what are they? What have you done to be able
to do that? I remember once where you told me before, but I'm going to let you lead on this one.
Yeah. I'm curious about what that story was you also mentioned after, but I think what I have done
is, you know, until I was about 16 or 17, I think I just let things go naturally. I didn't really
push. I didn't really drive. I didn't, I didn't sort of intentionally choose any direction to go
in. I just sort of, and that doesn't mean I didn't do anything. I did lots of stuff. I was always
performing. I had a band that I managed. We did like hundreds of shows. I'd written some songs
and stuff, but it was always just letting myself sort of go to what, what I wanted to do. And that
had its, that had its downsides as well, because there were, there were certain things like, let's
say, you know, video games, which I think for a lot of sort of like, um, you know, highly driven
people, I think, I think that kind of hijacks the brain, the part of the brain that loves to, to
improve and to, to like really drive things. And, but I, but I think the biggest thing that, that
that shaped me was when I turned like 17 and I realized, okay, like, you know, now I need to
combine this, this intuition and this creativity that's been leading me. And I now need to combine
it with a level of, you know, right brain, um, or maybe it's left brain. I don't remember which side
is the more analytical side. I think it's, I think it's actually left, but whatever, let's just say,
whatever. Yeah. I needed to combine it with a bit more of like a, a conservative approach of being
like, okay, like, you know, now it's time to just, to start studying things and dialing in and really
like figuring out, you know, how am I going to get ahead of this curve? Like I've always wanted to do
things earlier than other people. I've always wanted to be the first in, I've always wanted to,
you know, be, I guess just like be remarkable. Like I've always, I've always wanted to, and that's
why everything that I do, I really do it very, like, I really put, put effort into every single
piece of, of whatever I do. Um, and so I think, yeah, the biggest shift was just deciding that
I needed to kind of step up and like, you know, take some responsibility and really like
have some discipline. And I mean, that's kind of when everything changed. And that was about
seven years ago. And what I've done in seven years, um, was at the sacrifice of a lot of stuff that
I could have done. Um, you know, like staying up late, playing video games or partying or stuff like
that. Um, and, and so I think, yeah, I think if that, if that makes sense, it's like, I, I could
have imagined a life where I never dialed that. And I, and I, I could have imagined a future in
which that never happened. And it wouldn't have looked that good to be honest. It would have,
I could have become maybe very successful in music. I don't know, but, uh, but I don't think that
success in, in career is, um, the most important place to be successful. And I think that, uh,
like relationships and health are way more important. And then I would put career, maybe
third. Um, and I don't think I would have dialed in the other things if I hadn't, uh, you know,
apply that discipline and that, like I kicked myself in the butt, you know, it's like, I,
it's like, I'm my own manager. I'm like, there's the creative little like dude inside me who like
wants to do whatever he wants. And then I'm like also my own manager, if that makes sense. Oh,
it's huge, man. That's such a, that's such a blessing. And, you know, part of it, um, is,
is probably your natural tendency to harmonize, right? You're harmonizing the aspects of your
life. This is great. And there's balance, right? That people look at and talk about,
there's different ways to feel and think through what balance looks like. Just because you're
balancing doesn't mean that the scales are equal, right? The process of balance can have its ebbs
and flows. And I see you diving into that. That's what struck me in our first interview was you
talked about being on Fiverr and becoming, you know, the number one voiceover on Fiverr, but how
you listen to your body and your mind tell you that, whoa, like I'm kind of hurting myself in
this process and I need to shift. You, you maximize your gifts by, by having a reverence for your
intuition. And I think a lot of us bury our intuition with the facts of life. You know,
we get told like, Oh, you're either left brain or right brain. And then we're like,
okay, I guess I'm right brain only. Um, you know, and then instead of following our internal compass
and realizing like, no, no, like you have access to both, like just, just use it. Nope. I'm,
I've been told, you know, this is what I am. And you, I can tell you have a lot of respect for
people and what people's opinions are, but you also have, um, you're not going to bury that in
our voice and put it away. You're going to respect it. And I think that's one of the greatest keys
that visionaries can develop in order to maximize their own gifts is the willingness to accept that
you know, far more for yourself, what you need, then you give yourself credit for.
And if you're going to like external, you know, at the world to guide you like good luck. Um,
you know, it's not, it's not coming from the loud voices outside to tell you what to do.
Are there thoughts on that? Yeah, that, that's, uh, that's totally it. I just think that I just
made a decision and it really cemented itself when I met my fiance, um, three years ago,
that I was just going to craft my world intentionally. Like I was just not going to,
I just like, didn't get along with, with teachers growing up or anybody who would tell me to do
things and, and just didn't take well to, to, to not getting the things that I, that I wanted.
Um, and so I would just always find a way to, to get what I wanted. Like the whole way, the whole
way, the whole way through, like I just, I just didn't like a lot of stuff. And so I just, just
did it differently or figured out a way to do it differently. And that made me a very difficult
kid to raise at times as I've been told, but, um, but I think I've, I think I've channeled that
into like, you know, the things that I want are things that I should want. Like, you know, like,
I mean, something that I think about a lot, which is on a really deep level is like, um,
if a family member was sick and they needed some type of treatment and it costs like half a million
dollars and they had to make the decision to not do that because of finances, um, I would want to
be in a position where I would write a check with zero, like nothing, like not even a thought and
just, and just, yeah, just like not even look back, like just drop it because, because to me it's like
the idea that money that, you know, can be essentially printed out of thin air. It's a
resource that at this point is, is, you know, it's just conceptual. The fact that that number
could define whether or not somebody continues to live. Like that is, that is a great example
of me being like, heck no, I will not accept that. And I'm, that's the, that's the future that I'm
preparing for is like, I will not know. They will not say no to me. Like I will not, I will not, I
will not allow it. And so, and there's a lot of examples like that. And another one would be like,
you know, if my fiance wants to fly home and see your family, um, being like, oh, we, you know, we
can't afford that this year. Heck no, absolutely not. I will not accept it. And so I think that's a
big part of it as well. Um, and so there's a certain amount of sacrifice. Like I think life would be
easier and sometimes more joyful if I was not thinking this way. Um, but I will sacrifice a
small percentage of, you know, uh, immediate gratification for something much larger, um, for
the future.
That's an interesting word choice. Um, the, the joyful aspect, I'm sure that depends on the
definition of somebody's joy or like what joy is to people. Um, and, uh, you know, I would, I would
say maybe, maybe instant happiness for me, I would define that more as, as happiness. And I think
that for me, joy comes from doing the right thing, you know, regardless of the immediate
consequence, but for that long, it's like seeing your child graduate top of their class, you know,
because you helped them understand the value of study, um, and the value of being diligent and
beyond, um, or the value of recognizing that they gave their best effort and they're a C student,
but you're proud of them because they worked the tail off. Um, so I think that's a good
point. There's, there's, you'd rob yourself of joy by tying your happiness to an external
expectation. So lots of, lots of things we can do to play with those words and what we want out of
life. And I think that's, that's what for those of you visionaries listening in, that's what Justin's
talking about is being willing to stay centered on that internal compass and intuition that's
ultimately guiding you to what feels and is best for you, even though others may disagree with it,
scoff and say whatever they want their, their opinion, you know, to be validated. No, I'm not
validating it. I'm going to do things the way that I know they need to be done in my life too. So
Justin, we ran out of time. I would love to have you come back. We didn't talk about three of my
absolute favorite questions. Um, the, what's the worst leadership experience ever? What's the best
leadership and what's your most powerful lesson? I don't want to force those. I'd love to bring
you back there. Would you come back on the show? Yeah, I want to answer those for sure. Okay.
Fantastic. Then we'll plan on that vision pros. Those of you listening in that, um, you know,
enjoy this experience and the action steps below, you'll see all the links where you can connect to
Justin. Um, you know, and you can get, like I said, you can get music training on his Instagram
channel. That's cool. And see how he's, see what songs he's writing and reproducing and what
genres of music is interested in. I bet you can even make requests on there of songs that you like.
Oh, please. Wouldn't that be cool? Yeah, please do.
Make the requests in there for songs you'd like to hear him produce. Um, and also, and when it
comes to Podgy podcasts, if you're in the podcast industry looking for help on launching your podcast,
he's an expert when it comes to that too. So we'll have that link in there. We'll have all the
resources that we discussed. And in the top right corner of the screen, you're going to see a button
that says, be our guest. That's for those of you listening in. If you want to come share your vision,
you know, it, it doesn't matter if you're Ed Sheeran or Dr. Dre, and you got all these cool
accolades and things that are going on, you know, if they want to be on the show, by all means,
we'd love to have them. But if your name is John Doe and you don't have your vision well established
yet, but your vision's pure, you want to be a great leader, you want to help people and you want to
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you're up to and everybody, we will see you guys in the next episode. As we, uh, fade out today,
I'm going to put one more time on the screen. This clip from Daft Punk that Justin Moore sang,
because it is just super cool and you can catch the rest on his Instagram channel.
Justin, thanks for being here. I'll talk to you right after we wrap up.
Thank you for being here today.
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