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I've got about 20 years in business,

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about 15 years in investing.

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And I started the hard way with investing.

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I went through a merger of a business in the 2000s.

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It was just an agency, a service business.

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So there wasn't like a multiple.

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It was like, hey, all debts and liabilities,

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wipe clean and you get a fresh start.

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So I knew at that point in 2010,

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I wanted to create some kind of SaaS business.

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And in the same time, get into investing.

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Instead of me, long story short,

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instead of me working for money,

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how do I flip that equation to get money

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working for me?

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So investing, Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger,

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they're really the guys a lot of people look up to.

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So I started Angel Investing.

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We're investing in private companies.

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And that's a losing game for most people.

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I made some money, lost some money,

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did that for five years.

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And in 2015 or 16, I'm like,

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I have to do this the right way.

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I have to follow Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger.

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So I went down the YouTube rabbit hole.

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I read as many books on investing as I could.