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Oh, good morning Lorraine.

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Uh oh, I'm not hearing your audio coming through.

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Okay.

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Hmm.

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You're all right.

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Let's see.

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Yep, no worries.

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I'll wait for you.

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I'll be right here.

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You can do with the technology is plug and unplug.

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Yep, absolutely.

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Turn it off and back on again and we'll figure this out.

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Absolutely.

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How are you today?

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I'm doing good so far.

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How are you so far?

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So far so good.

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I stacked all of my interviews for today.

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So you're my first one.

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So it's a good thing we got this figured out

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or it was gonna be a very long day.

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Yeah, no problem.

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I'm glad we got it figured out for you.

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Yeah.

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Let's see, where did you find this place?

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Where did you find it?

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We connected through Pod Match.

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Actually, if I remember correctly,

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Jackson actually reached out to me about being on my show

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and I think I'm gonna record him on the 27th

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and then he said, you know,

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would I wanna be on his as well?

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So we're doing a pod swap.

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I got you, yeah.

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So the way this normally works

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is we always set up some kind of a screening process

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before we just let everybody onto the podcast.

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And I think it's a good reason we did that

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because I think two weeks ago,

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we got like a hundred applicants in one week

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to jump on the podcast.

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So we have a team of three to five different screeners

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like myself and we come in here and we do this kind of,

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oh, you're throwing headphones now.

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I'm throwing headphones.

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Yeah, no, you know, I totally understand.

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I've been podcasting for 14 years.

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Oh, wow.

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And so that volume of people applying,

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I totally relate to.

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And you have to have a process to kinda,

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you're good, you're not good.

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This is a fit, this isn't a fit.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So I know in a moment,

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I'm going to ask you to tell me about your vision

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and that can mean anything

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about what you wanna talk about, all right?

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But until then, let's see.

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I've got your name, Lorraine Ball.

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Let's add your headline on there.

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Like how I say Peyton Childers,

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founder of Magic Productions,

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which is my company outside of this.

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What is yours?

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Go with marketing strategist.

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Strategist.

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Make sure I spell it right.

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Perfect, looks correct.

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That looks good.

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Okay, spelling is not my strong suit.

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You know, I am a product of the New York City school system

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and I can read really fast because they taught us technique

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where I can skim, I don't see individual letters,

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I never learned phonics, I read whole words.

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I can read pages without vowels if you give it to me.

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Yeah, I know what you mean.

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So when I have to put vowels in,

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sometimes they show up in the right place

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and sometimes they don't.

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Yep, I'm kind of in the same boat.

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Like I learned how to read really quickly,

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but if I need to regurgitate,

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I know enough to regurgitate information,

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but as whether it's stored,

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it's completely different story.

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Yes, yeah, yeah.

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They taught us to read, you know how in school you had,

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for us it was the Iowa exams,

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then I think it was ISTEP or whatever.

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You were supposed to read a paragraph

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and then answer questions.

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Read the questions, then read as far in the paragraph

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as you have to go to get to the answers.

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Yeah, I was too impatient

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to read all of that paragraph anyways.

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Okay, cool, so we good?

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Yeah, we're gonna start off.

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Do you know, I'm gonna give you a little bit more information

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before we begin.

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So I'm already recording this.

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So the plan is, we go through the screening process,

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I give you thumbs up, thumbs down kind of at the end

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and really a thumbs down just means

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we're going to work with you to get you to a thumbs up

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and get you on the podcast.

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But already I'm thinking we're already ready.

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So I'm going to record this

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and we're going to use these questions as segments

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for a promotion for you.

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Promote, yeah.

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So sound bites, 60 seconds or less, got it.

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Yeah, you're already in there.

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All right, perfect.

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So Lorraine, I'll let you lead this in that case.

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Okay, Lorraine Ball, please tell me about your vision.

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My vision is where I want to be

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is to help business owners build that strategy foundation

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under their marketing.

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I have run into and I've done this for a really long time,

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so many businesses that launch into a marketing activity

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without really understanding how it fits in their strategy

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or even if they have a strategy underneath it at all.

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And I execute that vision in a couple of ways.

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I have a podcast, more than a few words,

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and I share quick tips.

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I do training both at colleges

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and in presentations around the country.

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I've written several books

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and I work with individual clients,

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helping them lay that foundation.

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Gotcha, so adding on to that,

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where did your vision come from?

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I fell in love with marketing when I was in grad school.

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I was supposed to be an accountant

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and two of my professors explained to me

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that I could do accounting, but I would hate my life,

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that I see the world through a marketing lens

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and they were absolutely right.

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The accounting helps, but the way I see the world

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is definitely through that marketing lens.

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And in both corporate jobs and as the owner of an agency,

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over and over again, I found that

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if I could get business owners over that hump,

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if I could get them to the place

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where they understood what their strategy was,

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what we did for them was so much more fun

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and so much more productive.

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And I have tested this technique

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through way too many decades of marketing.

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And I believe that it is the way to go.

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Yeah, absolutely, this is great.

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So where are you going with your vision?

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What's your goal for your vision?

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I've had the big company experience.

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I've had the entrepreneurial experience.

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I ran my agency for 20 years until I sold it.

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Where I'm going now is I wanna work selectively

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with business owners that really get the process,

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that really are going to participate actively.

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I'm not looking for people who want me to come in

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and solve their life's problems, not my gig.

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I want people that understand this is a partnership,

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that they're gonna have to take responsibility.

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They're gonna have to make the tough choices.

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I'm gonna ask the hard questions.

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They are gonna have to be ready to answer them.

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And like I said, few clients that really get it,

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that's where I wanna be at this point.

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So it's much more of a for fun type thing for you,

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not as much as the entrepreneurial trying to help everyone

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to make a lot of money type.

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No, I want my clients to make money.

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Don't get me wrong.

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I want them to be successful.

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And I definitely wanna be paid for my time,

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just like when I do a presentation.

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I'm showing up, I expect that there's going to be

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a remuneration at the end of it.

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I am just in a place where I can be selective.

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Totally understand.

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I ran an agency for 20 years.

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I loved most of my clients.

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There were some that we worked with

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because they paid a lot of money, it kept the lights on,

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but that isn't the kind of work I wanna chase after

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at this point in my life.

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Yeah, I know a friend of mine, well, a friend of mine,

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I know him through networking.

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His name is Don Ollert and he's up in Michigan.

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And he does a style of marketing as well.

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I forget the exact specifics that he runs into,

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but he did some other stuff throughout his life

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and then he retired.

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And then he got tired of being retired

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and started his own company where he does marketing now

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for fun.

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And he same way, he gets to be specific

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in who he wants to work with

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because he wants to take on the fun clients,

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not just everyone.

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And fun does not mean not challenging,

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but it can mean a product or a service

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that I'm excited about.

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It might be a cause that I'm like,

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if we can get this message out, we can change the world

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and or at least our little corner of the world.

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I teach one course a semester at a local university

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because I want that next generation of marketers

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to come into the workforce prepared to do it right.

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Absolutely.

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So let me ask you this last question

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is kind of a two-parter.

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It's why do leaders hide from funding their vision

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and how do leaders lean into funding their vision?

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So we'll start with the first one on why do leaders hide

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from funding their vision?

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Why do they hide from funding?

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I think very often leaders fall

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into one of several categories.

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Either they really aren't committed to the vision

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or they are not committed to this

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or they do not believe in the solution that's being offered.

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In other words, I have my vision,

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I'm excited about going forward with it.

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You are offering me a solution,

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but I do not believe that that's going to get me

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where I need to go.

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That may be an issue on the part of the leader

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and it may be an issue on the part of the service provider.

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And then that third category is fear

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that they really either are afraid,

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what if this works?

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Can I handle what I'm going to uncover?

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Or just I can't afford to make that investment,

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I don't think it'll pay off quickly enough.

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how do business owners or how do leaders

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lean into their vision?

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I think the biggest thing that you can do

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that will help you not just lean in

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but will actually push you in is surrounding yourself

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with other people that are where you are,

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maybe one step ahead of you

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because they will hold you accountable.

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They will help you see some of the things

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that you won't see.

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They will push you a little bit when you wanna lean out.

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When I was growing my agency,

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I had a group that I would meet with on a regular basis

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and we would brainstorm with each other's businesses

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and there were two things that they forced me

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to lean into.

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The first was raising my price.

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I was not charging enough and so I could not afford

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to deliver at the level that I knew I needed to.

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a little bit of a push around adding additional staff

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on my team but the biggest push was

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when I came to the same meeting three months in a row

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complaining about the same employee

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and they pushed me to get to help that employee

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find another place in the marketplace to work

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because they were not right for us.

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And leaning into my role not just as a leader

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but as a manager of a team

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and leaning into recognizing that sometimes leadership

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is trimming the team as well.

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Absolutely, this is phenomenal.

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Yeah, you know your way around a podcast or two, don't you?

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Just a little bit.

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Okay, I'm going to pass your information on

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to get you onto the real show.

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Let me share this.

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I'm gonna add a couple of tags

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and I'm just gonna let you know what I'm sending you

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as I send them to you.

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Great.

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So first off, approval.

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There you go, you should be getting an email soon

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that says, hey, you've been approved for the main podcast.

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This is what it looks like.

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Find a link, it'll be just like how you signed up

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for this one.

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Find us on your available and sign up.

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I think right now, here, I'll pull it up.

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Right now, I think we are out until,

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I wanna say August is our next available.

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That's fine.

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July, yeah, it's way out there now.

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You know, that's always fun.

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Good, I'm glad you're understanding with it too.

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Okay, well, like I'm recording with Jackson, like I said,

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I'm recording with him on the 27th.

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That episode, I'm working ahead

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because I wanna take off end of the summer.

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I'm guessing that episode will be live in October.

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You know, that's just-

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Oh, wow, perfect.

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Yeah, you know, so I totally get

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that when you have a well-oiled machine,

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it's working out a little further.

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So yeah, I'll watch for that email.

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I know I've got another set of emails to send you.

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This one is a VIP intro email,

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and it's just going to put you in touch with a,

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I think we have 15 to 18 other podcasts

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that we work closely with,

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and it'll just send you their information.

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It does tend to send a couple of them

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as they're asking for new people to sign up.

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And if at any point that gets obnoxious,

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feel free to unsubscribe from that email.

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And then lastly is our distribution.

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Let me find it.

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Facebook ads distribution.

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Yeah, so we offer a Facebook ads distribution

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in which you would pay the service $100,

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and all $100 of that goes straight to Mark Zuckerberg,

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straight to Facebook.

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And so it's just a matter of helping y'all out

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if you were interested in it.

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This is just a video saying how to do it,

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and in the video, we tell you don't do it.

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It's not worth it.

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You can do it on your own,

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and we'll show you other ways to get around it.

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And then we'll show you how to do it.

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We'll show you other ways to get around it,

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but it's just a video that we send out to everybody.

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And that's fine.

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Facebook is really not my community.

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If you had a program for LinkedIn,

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I would definitely talk to you about it.

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But yeah, people on Facebook are there

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to look at the grandkids and the cats.

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I agree with you, and my company is not on Facebook,

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so I'm all LinkedIn.

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But those are the three things I have to send to you,

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and I'm going to pass you on to Jackson after this

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and make sure that everything's squared away,

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and you'll see him once you schedule your podcast.

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Awesome.

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Payton, have a lovely day.

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This was lots of fun.

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I will look for you on LinkedIn.

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Perfect.

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Do you have any more questions for me before we go?

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Nope.

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All right, then I'll see you next time, Lorraine.

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See ya.

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Bye.

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Thank you.

