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I had to circle back to what we've already said in the past, but with Jim Landers, he was a great leader in that he

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was patient because I had so many battles in my mind. You know, Joyce Myers, a battle of the mind, I was struggling to

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get over multiple hills of psychological doubt and limits that I put on myself, in terms of my business growth and

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methods that I could make money through my photography. But he was patient with me. And he asked those great

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questions, those mic drop questions that stuck with me and made me answer them in the right way as I was more honest

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with myself. So yeah, he was a great leader in that regard that he helped me grow in a good way.