I'm a little bit older than
the chain smokers. Um and then
we'll cover break in a little
bit but Boulder, Colorado.
There's that rap song. I never
getting older. Uh uh. I'll have
to know. Oh, you'll know it.
You'll know. Just look that rap
song up and it says um because
she stole her mattress from her
roommate in Boulder. Um the
chain smokers. I do know the
song. That's it. Yeah. She
stole her mattress from her
roommate. So, yes. Beautiful
area. No, beautiful area.
Great rap music apparently. I
guess. Oh, man. So, before we
dive in uh too deep to the
vision, we're gonna be talking
today about bowling stepping
into your inherent worthiness.
Um and as we do so, what three
books or resources do you
recommend for leaders and
visionaries out there? Three
books. I think the four
agreements, 100% of that book
changed my life and I always
recommend that to to everyone.
Um resources. I need to read
that. I need to read it. Oh my
goodness. Um he also the
mastery of love. So, those are
two that I would recommend to
the same person. Tom Miguel. Um
they're incredible. It really
just goes back to like your
understanding of what it is to
not put your worth anything in
other people, right? Like um
they're very simple agreements
but they can be very hard to to
enact but they're beautiful. Um
as far as resources, one I
always would suggest people
learning about or getting into
um would be just somatics. I
think the basis of a lot of
what I do and what I see in
everybody is so many people are
learning about and so the
practice of learning how to get
into your body and there's many
different ways to do that but
um that would be another one
that I would recommend is is
more than somatics. Awesome.
It's funny but the uh as we
continue to build the show, we
attract more and more people
from different uh different
sectors and I don't wanna say
the quality of our leaders is
getting better because I don't
wanna like, you know, like say
anything bad about past people
because we've got great people
here. People are starting to
talk about things like the
intuition and the body itself
and I and I do. I see great
leaders lean into that resource
um and openly and uh and not
look so externally for
resources. So, cool. Kudos to
you for that. We're gonna be
right back. We're gonna cut for
a little bit of a break. Um and
when we come back, we're gonna
dive into, you know, how to
really boldly step into your
inherent worth and Natalia
Richardson on the other side
guys. Alright, welcome in to
Vision Pros live. With Jackson
Calame, I'm your show host. We
will be doing interviews for
visionary entrepreneurs and
guest leaders who are building
fantastic visions out there.
Hey, what's up? And welcome in
Vision Pros. I'm your show
host, Jackson Calame, founder
and CEO of First Class Business
and Business Development on
stage today. We're gonna be
talking about transformation,
uh coaching, and what what
elements we can turn into in
life. What what resources we
can turn to in tactics,
principles, things of that
nature to make sure that we're
getting the most out of it and
in the form of understanding
your inherent worth. The first
time I heard that word, I had
to look it up. Um naturally,
right? But I was probably 28
years old. I was like, huh, I
wonder what that means and it's
one of those words where once
you learn about it, it is
transformational. You like
can't go back uh to the way you
used to see the world. So, I'm
excited for her to explore that
with us fully and teach us as
an expert in that space. Before
we bring Natalia on stage that
we're gonna talk about the
resources up here that we also
recommend. So, Melissa Gray
with the Law Spot is resource
number one. Uh having been a
co-founder of Restaurant
Restaurant for a brand name
that we already owned. We ended
up spending $20,000 on that
trademark lawsuit and uh we
that was to protect a brand. We
already had it. Why did that
happen? We just weren't
strategically prepared. We
didn't know what we didn't know
about protecting our little
business and when I found
Melissa, I was not really
excited to have her on the show
to be honest with you. She had
come through one of my co-hosts
and I thought about cancelling
it because most lawyers, they
don't have the time of day for
you. They don't wanna take the
time to do it. I found her to
be a tremendous leader. We
ended up deciding to work
together and I have the
strategic partnership now. I
absolutely love how she's
building what she's building
and it's fun to have somebody
who's very good at law but also
understands the importance of
caring for people at the same
time. So, I highly recommend
checking her on what she's
doing. We've also got
Vermilia Peramon here with the
Healing Institute and the
Healing Institute's vision is
to pull together collectively
and make sure that we're
helping people around the world.
Anybody involved in wellness
into one community where these
practitioners can well,
basically, it's the patients,
people who are looking for help
in life can come in here and
filter through and see what
types of people can they get
help from? You can register on
here as a practitioner. You can
also register as a potential
client and check this out.
Vermilia comes with decades and
decades of wisdom. I'm a big
fan of something I heard once
from somebody who was in their
high school and he said, stop
looking at your peers for
advice. Um he didn't say that
forcefully but he said, if you
want to find good advice and
wisdom, start looking at
marriages that have existed for
decades. People have been
married for 40, 50, 60 years
and see what they're doing
because they've been over the
hill. They've seen all the
things that that one can see
about those types of
experiences. So, when I met her
and saw the wisdom that she has
and the joy she has, the useful
things that she has, she has so
much value to offer and we're
excited to see her continue to
expand and grow that. Lastly,
we're going to talk about the
water project and the water
project is it's one of those
resources that kind of blew my
mind when I saw it because I
hadn't considered the fact that
there are millions of people in
the world who don't have access
to clean drinking water. How
fortunate am I? How spoiled?
I've never had to deal with
that and when I when I learned
about it, I just couldn't stop
thinking about it. Decided, I
decided to contribute to the
water project. We bring on the
show and when you look at these
pictures of these kiddos, it
looks like they're celebrating
Christmas Day and that's the
type of impact we have the
ability to make. So, my hope is
that you'll take a look at what
they're doing. If you contribute
to a project, it will send you
an update for that community so
you actually get to see the
fruition of what you've
contributed come to life and I
highly recommend meditating on
that. What type of impact may
you have? Have water? Have a
have a source of water where
kids are no longer having to
leave school and walk three to
four miles to get it or parents
are no longer having to leave
work to do to go get water. The
impact is generational in
nature and I hope you join me
on that. Now, if there's another
source of of um if there's a
cause that you'd like to see us
contribute to instead, there's
eight billion people in this
world to help and we're all
about it. So, please drop that
in the comments. Let us know
what things we can contribute
to to help you grow as well.
Without further ado, Natalia,
thank you so much for joining
us on Vision Pros Live. Well,
thank you so much for having
me. Absolutely. What is your
vision for the people that you
serve? Oh, um well, similar to
the title, like to really step
into their inherit worthiness.
I believe that we are born with
desires for a reason. They're
already ours and it's really
important to understand the
the traumas perhaps that have
kept us playing small or not
fully stepping into that. So,
every person I work with, I
want them to to shine, to
boldly watch their
manifestations come into the
3D reality and also realizing
that it doesn't have to be
hard but it can feel good as
they grow and the relationships
that they have with each other
and to step out of that
paradigm that, you know, things
have to suffer for us to to get
what we want or we are meant to
suffer and know that everything
is happening for us, not to us.
I love that. Um I've been
through that suffering quite a
bit in my life. Um I am no
stranger to trauma. I'm no
stranger to childhood trauma
all the way through adulthood
experiences. Um and I love the
way that you talk about it.
What what does it look like on
the other side? You talked
about it feeling good. So, what
does it look like when somebody
goes to the other side? What
types of experiences unfold for
somebody beyond that point?
Oh, um one example that comes
to mind is actually somebody
who is in um one of my
containers and it was last
night and when she joined the
container, one of the things
that came up for her was
whenever her, you know, ex
partner, they share kids but
they're not really in that
state of fearful anxiety like
it would just trigger this the
spiral and so we've worked on
first her worthiness and where
she has been, you know,
sacrificing herself and second,
how to really process and feel
these emotions and yesterday,
we were kind of reflecting over
the past, I don't know, let's
say 8 weeks and she all of a
sudden said, oh my goodness, I
had this message come through
and I've been dealing this. I
felt nothing. I was just
peaceful. Um yeah and I just
you watch the her eyes light
up because it hadn't even
clicked for her and oh my
goodness, it it didn't affect
me this time. Um and the same
goes for, she said that she was
feeling stagnant and I asked
her a couple questions and I
said, okay, are you stagnant?
Are you actually at peace?
You've you've been living in
chaos. We've been working
together. We've been
manifesting ourselves which in
turn if we're used to it, we
actually create more, right? We
look for more. We manifest one
way or another, right?
Consciously or unconsciously,
right? Um and again, she goes,
I think you're right. I just
and I said, yeah, it's because
it's uncomfortable. You're not
used to it. There's nothing
wrong and like I said, her eyes
teared up. She was just full of
joy having that realization. So
that's one very. Oh, that's
beautiful. Example that came
up in the other. You two
referred. You two for one on
that. That was awesome and that
that is, you know, again,
sometimes these types of
concepts that are almost
spiritual nature or or it's so
deep and profound that it can
it can be hard to interact
with that but like the ability
to feel that feel that
liberation and then like you
said, to be able to embrace
that and like, oh no, but to
transition that nothing changed
other than the mindset. Um you
know, and the acceptance of, oh
wait, I get to feel joy right
now. That is it's mind blowing.
You know how how sometimes how
simple it is to change our
lives. Um so, well, well done.
What about you? What's what's
your vision for you? Oh, man.
Um I'm I'm sure you've heard
this many times but to change
the world, to change the world,
but through again, every
leader, every man or woman that
I work with, they're changing
all the people that they're
working with and they're
helping them heal and that's
impacting their children and
their legacy and so, it's just,
I envision it through like that
ripple effect of how I can help
you so deeply. I love it.
Absolutely. I I remember when
Steve Jobs, at least in the
movie, um said, I'm going to
make a dent in the universe.
I'm going to make a dent in the
movie and my immediate thought
was, I do that every day. Um
and we all do. What are your
thoughts on that? Um I
completely completely agree.
Whether it's, you know, we're
living unconsciously. We are,
we're pouring out from that
place and we can adapt those
those beliefs or pour them on,
right? A lot of the things that
we believe have come from
somebody who is unconsciously
a positive or a negative but
again, when you are consciously
creating everything that you
do, I believe we're all
connected. So, the work that I
do within is connected to
everything, to everybody. I
believe that we all have that
that divine within us, the
connection. Yeah, we we often
minimize this human beings the
power of saying hello to
somebody, right? And we but we
talk about the value of it in
the moment, internalizing it,
allowing that to be a good deed
for yourself, like allowing
yourself to embrace the fact
that you did something awesome
in that moment. Like, that's
something that I strive to
remember and I strive to help
my kiddos as well. Remember
like, those those things matter
a lot. Um and so, anyway, let's
we're going to go the exact
opposite direction though.
We're going to talk about
something very dark. Oh, good.
What's the worst leadership
experience that you've ever
had? You know, anybody else or
me having a leader like guiding
me? My frame for it would be
whichever story or experience
you feel will help the
audience most.
And I believe that this kind of
comes back down to, you know,
the work that I do but I
remember having a leader who
would always say like, you have
this because of me and you were
this because of me and you
were this because of me. Yeah.
You know, it was this degree.
Um like you're, you've got all
this because of me and I
remember that and thinking, no,
that's not true but
subconsciously, right? When you
hear things enough, you most of
the time will start to believe
them and so then you start to
live out that, you know, that
that smallness. Oh, that hurts.
Yeah. So, you know, it's it's
it's a lot of people that can
be like that in your life. Um
you know, and setting your
healthy boundaries, right?
Making sure you recognize those
instances is super important.
Um let's talk about the opposite.
What's the best leadership
experience that you've ever had?
Um it's the people that I've
worked with now who are who are
the people that they just help
me step into the best version
of myself, right? They aren't
creating the clone of them
because that's not the point.
Um so, to really, I remember
closer to when I started my
business, it was like the the
first real mentors I'd worked
with and they really helped me
step into to my value and to I
was selling myself short in
things I was doing and that was
something that I hadn't worked
through and they really helped
me step into to the power and
what I had and break through
those barriers but it was about
about me and what felt good to
me, right? And my mission, it
wasn't them telling me this is
you know, how they did it. This
is how I have to do it and I've
worked with both types of
people and I I don't believe
there's a one size fits all. I
believe it's about guiding
somebody to their gifts and how
they're going to do it. You
don't have to spill the beans
and put you on the spot live. I
know that. Are you are you going
to reveal who this you know,
magic mentor was the the
original one? Um the very
original one. I I or one who's
super awesome that that helped
with that. It's just that you
gave that story. I'm like, man,
I always want the source. You
know, I'm like a journalist.
Yeah. Um they are I I think
they've changed their name a
little bit by now. Um and this
was nice. Maybe about three,
four years ago, I think when it
was like I was in the
transition of my business and
the first pivot of about three
that I've taken as I've I've
grown. Um but yeah, it was it
was them and it was I went to
them for business and it's also
what taught me how to coach
essentially the way I do is
because I work with the
multi-dimensional because
everything is tied, right? The
business, the mind, the the
people that they were going to
help me so much with just like
my own beliefs that have been
blocking me. So, um I'm still
in contact with one of them.
That's awesome. That's very
cool. Well, thank you for
sharing the source. It's not
always, you know, sometimes
your secret recipes and secret
things that that don't get
shared. Um but we just got one
of the the great ones of yours.
So, if this were the last
chance ever to share a lesson
with the world, what powerful
lesson can other visionaries
have? I know that feeling.
That's a really, really deep
question. Um oh man. I whether
it's a leader or just a human
being in general or an
entrepreneur, it's it's really
that everything is a mirror. I
really like to transition
people from the word trigger to
a mirror and when you can look
at everything as a reflection
back to you of it's trying to
show you something so that you
can take it away. You're taking
this radical responsibility for
that you're empowered. It's a
mirror back to you instead of
this trigger which when you use
the word trigger, sometimes it
can make you feel like your
power is being taken away. Um
and so, transitioning that view
in my life, everything is a
mirror and it's happening for
me. Like, the world just opened
up. I'm like, okay, this is
just here to show me. I asked
for this new level. Of course,
there's a challenge. Of course,
there's this because this new
level is what it is. So, cool.
This is what's going to get me
there. That's awesome. I like
that and I'm going to need to
do some heavy meditation on
that as well. That's one of
those quotes where it's like,
oh, that is so profound. If I
like, I would just be pretending
if I'm reacting to it
immediately but that is
something that I have to study
out because both the concepts
of mirrors and triggers are so
powerful. It's like, okay, wait
a minute. I'm going to accept
the reality of what you just
said about mirrors or I get to
but I'm going to I'm going to
go meditate and walk on that
later. So, we're going to hear
about that. I love it. What's
up? I look forward to hearing
about it. Oh, good. I'll follow
up on it and then for sure.
That's that's so we we we
already got that quote out
there for everybody too. You
can you can go see that. We
turn that into an awesome meme
later and say like, yeah, I
get that. So, if I if I end up
doing the quote wrong, Natalia,
we're going to want your
comments. We're going to want
your comments. Those words are
are worth they're worth
everything. Um a lot of times.
So, let's go to the next
segment. We're going to be
talking about that boldy
stepping into inherent
worthiness. So, what is the
what is inherent worthiness?
How before we even boldly step
into it? What does that mean
for people that might be new
to? Oh, inherent worthiness. It
is what you have always have
been like it is of you. Like
priceless. Yeah, you're not
broken. You've never been
broken like you even when it
comes to our healing journey,
people can define themselves by
their healing journey and
that's that's that takes away
your power again. Like you are
worthy right here right now and
so that that is your inherent
worthiness that knowing that,
oh, I am I love that and so
that's that's the step into
that and let's let's choose to
go from the angle from thinking
through like the as close to
the typical avatar as we could
of visionaries, leaders,
entrepreneurs. I know that's
still all over the place but
what does that look like? Um so
yeah, as a vision as an
entrepreneur especially,
right? An entrepreneur is a
special breed of person. It is
somebody who is going out there
ready to make it happen, right?
So, you know, I love working
with entrepreneurs as I am on
myself. I know that feeling of,
you know, there's more. So,
right there, you already have
that that insight. You're
already tapped into it. Um but
then, we we shrink ourselves
because the world, right? The
world says, you need to be this
way. You need to do it this
way. You should or shouldn't
work this much. You should like
be a stay at home parent or you
shouldn't be a stay at home
parent. You should be a
entrepreneur. Right? And when
we start falling into that,
which many people do, that's
what blocked us from stepping
into our authentic self which
is really what grows that
business like I talked about in
the aligned and divine way
versus we can create a business
that's based on stress and
pillars of XYZ but most of the
time when people do that and
I'll work with them and meet
them in the middle a lot of
the time, it wasn't from like
worthiness. It was I want this
but then I start sacrificing
all of the things that are the
reasons I wanted to create this
in the first place, right? The
relationships, the health, the
joy. Um and so, the deeper that
you get into your worthiness,
what it really looks like is
you're bold and you're brave
and you almost embrace people
are going to love me or they're
going to hate me and that has
to do with actually using your
voice and their gifts I have.
Like I'm I personally am in I'm
an intuitive channel. It is a
gift. It's a spiritual gift
that I have. I used to be
terrified while speaking about
it because I'm like, I know
some people don't agree with
this or but it's it's part of
my gift and that's what aligns
me with the people that I meant
to serve and so that's really
what I help people do is they
step more into their worth and
they don't sacrifice their
health anymore because they
know their health pours into
everything else. They stop
allowing themselves to bottle
up emotions and realize that
they're allowed to feel them.
They're meant to feel them.
Their feelings are valid and
also start doing the brave
things that have been sitting
on the back of their mind that
they have not done because they
feel like they have to fit into
this box. So, the more you step
into your worthiness, the more
you're going to be able to
feel the way you are. You're
the suit and tie kind of person
or maybe you're more like me. I
like to get really dressed up
but I also am a super free
spirited hippie gal who likes to
wear whatever and I I share
that on my social media too and
it doesn't discredit me and the
magic that I can work with
people but that was a belief
that I used to hold that I had
to look a certain way to work
certain people and I don't
believe any of that to be true
because it's it's it's when you
can embrace the fact that yes,
certain people will call you
out even as you leaders, you
know, it can be uncomfortable
with with very superficial
external changes that exist and
it's it's often surprising to
me but II like to stand out
because of that because it makes
it easy to recognize who's got
limiting beliefs and who
doesn't have a lot of faith in
you and people who say like, oh,
your your pictures need updated
and there's a reflection, right?
For them on a mirror. They're
worried about their own way of
showing up and I just I find it
funny, you know, because I know
who I am. I know where I am. I
know what I do. I know why,
right? And so, it's it's a
really fun way to recognize,
you know, who's comfortable in
the room and it's still a little
bit of a mindset challenge for
me because I've never grown it
out. So, this is the first time
I've gone through that and it's
at a time in my life where I do
have such a deep appreciation
for who I am but I did not.
That's not how I grew up. That's
not what I understood and knew
for the time I was five until
the time I was about thirty. Um
you know, there's a big
struggle. Thank you. Period.
I'm not sure I can go deep on
those. Oh. So, I do gotta ask
though. So, I wanna I wanna
stay focused on this higher
level for now. Um because I
know that that everybody who's
trying to get to the higher
level can also benefit
tremendously from you but I'm
actually gonna let this time
almost selfishly a little bit.
Um the entrepreneurs that are
out there, there's a I see a
challenge with being authentic
and I see some people
leveraging that to justify not
willing to be accountable and
that's hard because if you're
wanting to be truly next level,
you know, Lebron James, you
know, I think he loves who he
is and I I don't see him doing
things that showcase that he
doubts that too often and if
somebody were to come to him
and say like, hey, here's the
things that you've gotta do to
be honest with you. I'm happy
with who I am and I'm doing my
best. So, thanks very much. Um
how do you fall? How do you not
fall into that trap where
somebody's trying to help you
move forward but you're
justifying the fact that you
have a gift so you shouldn't
have to like change other
things. What causes that and
how do you be be accountable
when you think that everything
is as perfect as it is? I have
my answer but I'm very curious
because I'm very fascinated.
Yes, it is. So, yeah. Uh so,
first of all, I if somebody
tells me this is who I am and
I'm not changing like I
instantly know the
conversation is not going to go
much further because that is
just that's where they're stuck
and the first thing I think to
say is you cannot help anybody
if they are not open to
receiving. Yeah. Right? And it
doesn't matter if it's. So, how
do you recognize if you're that
person, right? Who's you know,
and and I put perfect up here,
you know, I know people have
very mixed feelings about that
word. So, perfect versus the
accountability of you know,
what if somebody's coming to
you and they're offering you an
opportunity to improve your
life and it really would be a
wholesome improvement but your
nature like my nature is like,
well, you know, I I could do
that. So, how do you progress
if you're already perfect how
you are?
I think we are perfect in the
sense that we are all unique
but we're also human, right?
We're we're human. So,
imperfectly perfect but if we
are somebody who wants to reach
that next level, I do believe
it's holding that energy of
looking at who you are taking
the advice from. So, I think
that's where the discernment
comes in. If it's somebody who
isn't where you want to be is
making like none of what they're
doing is reflecting back to the
life you're trying to build.
Then, that's discernment of
maybe that's not somebody you
want to take that, you know,
advice from but also being open
to be coachable and allowing
yourself to live in that energy
of I want the best and I know
that's not something that I
want to do personally if I'm
not learning, I you go
backwards, right? We'll always
be open to learn and also being
able to sit with something like
respond instead of react. So, I
will tell people from my
personal perspective that I,
you know, I love your feedback
and sometimes I still feel like
when I say it, you know, my
body's like, what's going to
happen but breathing through it
and saying whatever, yeah,
whatever, you know, I can
usually feel if someone's
genuine or not, right? Okay,
this feedback is to help me be
better and I truly do want to
be better. So, how can I take
that without like you said,
we're still knowing that I am
I'm worthy and it has nothing
to do with my worth or what I'm
doing. It's just something that
oh, maybe I can grow from. So,
I I really do believe it's it's
that mindset but it's somebody
has to get to the point where
you can't make it and again,
you can't make it. I had a
therapist blow my mind and put
me in my place. Um when I use
the I was talking about the
respond versus react reality
because I was responding in a
situation, right? Where I was
in therapy with another partner
and he, you know, I was like,
I don't know how to respond and
he's like, he's like, you can
react, you can respond and I'm
like, you can react and I was
like, there's a third level.
I was like, what? You know, I
was, I was thinking, you know,
it didn't take me very long to
to think through that and
realize, oh my gosh, like that
level of, you know, asking
somebody what they mean, right?
It's taking a step back from it
even further and giving them a
full space and opportunity to
be themselves. Like, I was
like, oh, this guy's good.
I'm like, I'm not going to
do that. You, you would, you
kind of help me remember that.
I, it's something that we still
react and respond. We're human.
You know, we have survival
instincts too. Um and I have
lots of things that can that
can create that within
ourselves and I'm so grateful
for Jonathan Decker who's no
longer a therapist. I don't
think he does like a some like
movie YouTube thing now. Um but
he uh yeah, with your family
expert.com if it is still
there. Um he made so many
videos on Gottman Institute.
So, if anybody wants the
original OG source, that's
where where his stuff come
from. Um continuing on this
path though. Alright, so, what
are some other things that uh
you know, elite thinkers can
dive into for, you know, and
and I'm I'm not saying they're
people who aren't elite
thinkers. So much as those who
really strive for maximizing
their inherent worthiness so
that they can have more
modern, top secret
discoveries you've made,
Natalia along your path to
center yourself, move into your
body as you talked about. Yeah,
um many people, men, or women
in their high level. They're
very much in their masculine
energy which isn't a bad thing
to be in masculine or feminine,
right? We're we have both. Um
but it can be in the
terminology would be more like
the
and the holding on to things in
the micromanaging and all of
that. And so, first of all, like
whether it's a guide or a coach
or your training but look for
something that's different and
I've had many people come to me
because I am different because
I can help you tap into that
softness, the receiving, and it
doesn't matter if you're a man
or a woman but many things that
you want like on that that
deeper level, they come from
the heart. I've even tried to
like give a compliment or
receive one. A lot of times,
it takes people practice to
receive, just receive and say
thank you and not have to give
a compliment back which is just
you know, an example of that
but the elite thinkers of your
inherit worthiness, it's not
it's not analytical. It's not
the brain and as a high level
person, a lot of times, you're
trying to find the analytics
that you need to be able to
capture and connect with your
body and so that's what I would
suggest with a lot of times,
I'll teach people just breath
work that helps them, you know,
connect with their body and
that's something you could do
in 3 minutes to just start
bringing yourself in here and
we have this intuitive gift to
actually know but we have shut
it down for so long and we're
just very quiet and so the more
that you take the time to just
allow yourself that space to
to connect and to do that, it's
going to help you drop into
more of what do I really want
and I will tell you, I've worked
with many people who even their
vision of like their their
desires, right? Work together
about a month or two and all
of a sudden, I'm like, okay,
we'll get to their joy. They're
their wants and needs. The
vision that they were aspiring
to have is like what they would
see in the world that this is
the vision and their vision
would look completely the
opposite and so we start
aligning their life in that way
and all of a sudden, all these
doors, all these things just
start happening for them and
their business grows and this
thing that they actually really
did want is right there. It's
been there all along. So, it's
yeah, it's just getting out of
your head and what you're seeing
and getting into your heart and
you're like, I love that and so
the and side of that, I would
say the and is the opposite is
also often true with elite
with elite performers. A lot of
musicians for instance, the
musicians, the you know, the
athletes, even the the nurturers
of the world. Sometimes, people
use masculine and feminine as
well for that. I tend to use
masculine individuals. I know
they love to think with their
mind, right? They're they're
it's a no-brainer, right? That
deal for business. It's a
no-brainer. It's all going to
work out and their gut, their
gut is telling them something
else but they won't call it
their heart, right? Cuz it's
masculine and it's not the
feelings. It's a gut thing. So,
they they kind of try to avoid
that part but then next thing
you know, the business still
went south and somebody who did
have that heart instinct, I
don't, I'm not feeling right
about this. Like, they knew it
was going to work out and a lot
of I've most a lot of women
that I've met have gotten in
abusive relationships and you
know, they they have these
rose colored. They say they're
rose colored sunglasses,
rose shaded. Why do they say
that? What's that term? Rose
rose colored glasses. Thank you.
That's it. Rose colored glasses.
I have it. Little self doubt
jumping out there. Um so, and
they, you know, their friends
and family are saying like, you
know, I don't know, like, it's
not adding up, you know, why why
is he X, Y, or Z? And, you
know, they'll put some virtual
nuclear on you and they'll say,
well, I prayed about it. You
know, it's like, you know, okay,
I I prayed and so, sometimes
that heart driven aspect leads
us to the wrong path as well.
Um and I shouldn't say the
wrong path because we all these
are like you said, mirror,
right? All of these experiences
serve for our good. What I've
found though is that when my
heart and my mind aligns, I got
to be, anyway, so that that
alignment that being able to
engage with both and being able
to take that space and step
back patiently where nobody
likes being patient. Um it's
it's something that can be
freeing but there are also
times in life where you don't
get an answer and you just need
to learn. Yeah. And like how
you brought up the relationships,
that's something that could be
like a common pattern. I know
mine were until I, you know,
I was like, I have been in the
frequency of attracting this
and also justifying it, right?
It's different. It's it's
whatever but once again, you
actually look at that as a
mirror, you can transmute that
into something different and
you heal that part of you that
was looking for whatever it is
sometimes it's recreating your
relationship with your father,
you know, as a woman. Okay and
then finally, I am twice
divorced. You know, like I am
not the god of wisdom on any of
these matters. I've got my own
challenges. I got four kiddos.
Um I do my best as a dad. Uh
these topics are not anybody's
to own. Um you know, as much as
they are for human beings to
explore with each other, that's
how we exercise depth is
finding like, alright, well,
wait, how do you see things? It
gives us new perspectives. So,
I'm going to circle back to one
of the things that I've always
been very grateful for people
who are not qualified to be
mentors and we talked about
that earlier. Um about how like
you know, making sure people are
are qualified. I'd like to add
to that as well. making sure
that the the advice is sound of
their intuition. So, I was in in
a grocery store line and this
lady was being offered to her
child just horrible to this
little girl and I was like, you
know, this little girl just
wants to see the candy thing. I
was like, you know, I'm trying
to help and she didn't say
anything. Um but like it was
such a bad experience that I
told my sisters about it and
whichever sisters it was, they
were like, like, who's like,
how do you have the right to
judge her for being, you know,
a mom and and you know, they
they railed me about this. Like
what are you doing sipping in
there? And so, I went to my
wife at the time and I and I
told her about it and I'm like
surprised how they like ate me
alive and she's like, well,
I'm like, well, she's like,
well, she's saying that she's
not being a good parent. She's
saying, hey, I'm just telling
you what I said. I said, what
would I have said? I said, I
would have listened, I said.
I said, you're right, I would
have. Um and when, you know, if
I'm if I'm walking down the
road and a bum, you know, as
they call it in the world,
somebody under a bridge, were
to yell at me and my kids and
say, you're being an awful
dad, you know, who are you to
listen and understand. And I would want to find out what his perspective is. Why? Because maybe,
just maybe, he screwed up as a father so bad that he's trying to help me see something I overlook
in that circumstance and situation. Maybe he had parents who screwed up and he hasn't been able to
internalize their process, how to get out of that. And maybe it's unsafe and I need to leave fast
with my kiddos. There's a couple, there's a lot of different things to look at there. But my point
being, mentors come in so many forms. Coaches come in so many opportunities that to me,
having somebody like Natalia Richardson on the show to talk to us about her perspectives as she's
grown as an individual, been through her experiences, competed in your competitions for
strength and building and dedicated your heart and soul to help others. You're that type of person
I'm like, man, I want to explore this to the nth degree while I have the chance and see what all
can we gain from this experience? So if there's anything else that you'd like to share related to
boldly stepping into inherent worthiness, the floor is yours. Is there anything else you'd like
to drive us towards? Well, first of all, thank you for the big compliment. I truly, truly appreciate
that. And I do agree with you. I just talked to somebody else about this recently. They were,
it's somebody who's working through the fear of conflict. And my best friend, I hear people who
fear conflict. No joke. Like that scares the heck out of me. And a lot of it comes from the fact
that not everybody is in that space. You are who is okay with somebody having a different opinion
and being able to listen to it. Right. And I, the people that are close to me in my life now,
I respect, and a lot of times our views aren't the same, but being able to have like that really
deep, good conversation and nobody's attacking, it's just to listen. And maybe it does shift
your perspective or maybe it doesn't, but I think that that's how we grow. So again, I totally
understand the being afraid of conflict. That's something that I have worked through and continued
to work through on a different level now. But it does come down to, I think if somebody is willing
to receive or not willing to receive, like you said, to actually to listen, to hear, yeah,
without that push. I am so grateful that you brought that up. This is one of the topics that
I think is one of the greatest challenges for society right now. We have, and I'm the outlier,
I am. I'm the guy who will say what I feel and what I think. And nowadays you can't do that.
You can't do it openly. You have to be more calculated. I got kicked in the face too many
times, attacked, theoretically, metaphorically. So it's challenging because at the same time,
we got to learn to be respectful as human beings. We got to learn to give people space as well. But
is conflict, is it healthy? Is it hurtful? Can it be both? What are your thoughts on that?
I think it can be both depending on how it's handled. Right? I now, my partner, we've had
things we've disagreed on. There's been deep conversations. We've never actually fought.
It's never been this yelling, aggressive, whatever past relationships. There was like high
emotions, like the fear. Right? I'm an emotional guy. That's raising my voice, but for fun too.
Dynamic. I'm going to sing for crying out loud. That's part of life. But yes, it can be received
very poorly. Yeah. And I think that's really what it depends on. Like you said, healthy or hurtful.
And again, conflict, if it's healthy and two people are aware, you can have this deep
conversation and disagree. And it can be really healthy. And also to be able to hear somebody,
it doesn't feel good if somebody tells you, oh, this is how you made me feel. It doesn't feel great.
But to be able to receive that and breathe through it and realize that's how they feel and say,
apologize for it, that you made, you know, that that's how they feel. And that wasn't your
intention if it wasn't. But some people, when they get in conflict, they intentionally want to push
or hurt the other person because they're pushing back. So I think that's a lot of
touch and it depends on the people that are in this conflict. Absolutely. There's a great Ted
talk on the subject called, if you just look up how to not get offended Ted talk, it's dude with
red hair will pop up. I can't remember his name. But he talks about purposely becoming a soccer ref
so that he could overcome his fear of getting offended. He threw himself into the fire, so to
speak. And, you know, as I don't want to ruin the rest of the talk, so I won't because it is just
mind blowingly amazing and gives it a couple of tools to get past some of that, the inner
trauma that comes with our natural tendency to take offense. You know, and the the on the opposite
side of the healthy kind of it's like you people believe you can avoid conflict. And that is true
if you want to avoid a relationship. But when you have a relationship, especially with kids and,
you know, you both have different parenting styles or different things desired there.
If one person is successfully avoiding, you know, all of what you want to have happen in that,
then, you know, but they're kind about it. This is where I I hate hearing kindness justified.
And I'm like, no, there's nothing kind about stonewalling, you know, individuals or completely
choosing to ignore the needs of others while smiling about it and waking up with your own,
you know, self satisfaction jar full. And that's that's a it's a challenge that as
entrepreneurs, as visionaries, as leaders, we have the opportunity to prepare ourselves for
your while you may be able to choose, you know, who your team members are in the initial stages,
or you may be able to choose who your clients are. You don't choose your clients, clients,
you don't choose employees down the road. But if you can learn how to set cultural standards up and
really understand who you are, what you want, who you interact with, well, that's a good start.
But we also have to take the next level if we're going to go to the next level of influence of
saying, OK, I don't understand those people at all, or that that type of individual.
But I'm going to work hard to try to understand it, because coexistence in a connected world
is extremely important. So I would say, you know, I've embraced conflict, and I'm trying
to learn how to embrace the the individuals who don't want it at all. And that's that's hard for
me to do. Any advice? I. Yeah. With the. So much with, like you said, I think that's really hard,
because when somebody is ignoring it, and they won't talk about it and do it, first of all,
there's resentment being built up, right? That's not healthy. Some people say, no, oh, we never
like disagree, we never whatever, there's something somewhere that people are just burying, right? And
that's that's when like, oh, what happened? It's like you split up or what happened? This blew up.
And it's like it didn't just happen. It was a great point. So catching that that's an early sign
and detector as if somebody is constantly in agreement, then it's probably not a perfect
alignment as much as somebody being able to avoid that reality. Maybe it's you. I know who's doing
it. Maybe it's maybe it's me who's doing it in that case. I mean, I mean, you. But you've made
you made great space for me on this, Natalia. I really appreciate it. Appreciate the depth of
a wisdom that comes from both your spoken word and your listening skills. Both are very easy to see.
So those of you listening in, you can connect with Natalia on Meteor's Transformation Coaching. Also,
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