1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,040 Atlanta. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:03,500 Atlanta, Georgia. 3 00:00:03,500 --> 00:00:05,480 I got some friends in Alpharetta. 4 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,760 That's right. I think you mentioned that. 5 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,040 I'm going to grab one of the books that I was looking at. 6 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:11,720 I might as well have it in the end. 7 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,840 That's cool. You'll have the reference point. 8 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,280 We'll get those resources in store. 9 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,320 Today, we're going to be talking about developing and nurturing 10 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,160 strong sensitive leaders to enhance our communities. 11 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,720 When I saw that Adele had that focal point, 12 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,160 I thought one, 13 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,880 this is super unique and it's so productive and important 14 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,240 because there's a lot of sensitive people in this world, 15 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,920 and a lot of them are looked at as being weaker 16 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,840 than those who are strong, quote unquote. 17 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,800 When in reality, I don't think we could be further from the truth on that. 18 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,560 A lot of the sensitive leaders, 19 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,160 their delicate or sensitive nature is in fact, 20 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:52,640 a big part of the strength of what they're able to contribute. 21 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,800 If you're frustrated, if you're that type of leader who feels like, 22 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,840 man, everybody's so sensitive these days. 23 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,760 One of the best things you can do is find a leader who respects, 24 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:08,120 honors, understands, and can help with the nature of sensitive individuals. 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,560 I'm excited for us to dive in and talk about that a bit. 26 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,400 Adele, before we dive in too far though, 27 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,600 what three resources do you recommend for leaders and visionaries out there? 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Yes. Well, I have two of the books that I refer to a lot. 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,560 One is a classic. 30 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,800 It's not a leadership book, 31 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,560 but everything in here is about leadership. 32 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,920 It's a classic, Women Who Run With The Wolves, 33 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,920 because it's storytelling from myths and stories around the planet, 34 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:42,760 different cultures, the leadership questions that come up in just being 35 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:48,480 human within ourselves, between people, making choices and decisions. 36 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,600 I like that book a lot. 37 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,080 This one I read recently. 38 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,240 Again, it's more of a thought leadership type book. 39 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,320 It's called Recapture The Raptor, 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Rethinking God, Sex, and Death in a World That's Lost Its Mind. 41 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:10,400 It has some really thought-provoking ideas for the future of our world, 42 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,960 our culture, the nature of leadership needs to change. 43 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,880 I found that intriguing. 44 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,320 Those are the two I'm sitting with. 45 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,800 Yeah, they're big books. 46 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,240 I think everyone will enjoy those. 47 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,840 Absolutely. You're going to sit with two. 48 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,120 I'll sit with two. Yeah. 49 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,760 I don't want to overwhelm people. 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,280 That's awesome. Well, that's really great. 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,520 I have never read either one. 52 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,440 I've actually never heard of either one of those. 53 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:37,920 That's always exciting. 54 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:39,560 What a great book name, 55 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:40,960 Women Who Run With The Wolves. 56 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,320 That's super, super catchy as well. 57 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,600 I'm very intrigued by the leadership needing to change. 58 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,640 Maybe we'll dive into that later in the show. 59 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:50,200 We'll see what we have time for. 60 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,800 We'll be right back everybody. 61 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,520 We'll dive into Adele Wang's vision right after this quick break. 62 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,800 All right. Welcome in to Vision Pros Live. 63 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,880 With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host. 64 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,800 We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and 65 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,920 guest leaders who are building fantastic visions out there. 66 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:20,720 Hey, what's up Vision Pros? Welcome in to another episode of Vision Pros Live. 67 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,120 I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, 68 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,480 founder and CEO of First Class Business. 69 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,280 I'm super excited to have Adele Wang on the stage today. 70 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,320 We're going to be talking about authenticity. 71 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,120 We're going to be talking about leadership. 72 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,200 Those leaders out there who are, 73 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,640 or rather the people out there who are sensitive in nature, 74 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,120 are often looked at as people who aren't leaders. 75 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,400 I think that couldn't be further from the truth. 76 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:48,000 A lot of those people are just wise enough to be the last one to talk in a room. 77 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,760 It's funny how great leaders talk about that. 78 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,280 Predominantly, yet, they often don't make space for the people who are 79 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,240 quieter in the environment, who are more observers in nature. 80 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,920 Again, I'm not going to go too far into that. 81 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,080 We'll talk about it with Adele. 82 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,240 But before we bring her on stage, 83 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,520 we're going to talk about some of these other resources that you can utilize. 84 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,360 These are resources that I believe in and I'm excited about. 85 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,800 We're going to start with the last spot with Melissa Gray. 86 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:17,480 Melissa Gray came on this show and I didn't actually want to host her. 87 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,880 Once I found out she was an attorney, 88 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,480 I was like, I don't want an attorney on the stage. 89 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,920 Most attorneys just kind of say and they make me feel uncomfortable. 90 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,280 I think a lot of them have supply and demand so far in their favor, 91 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:32,040 they just don't care enough about what you're doing. 92 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,240 As a business owner, you need so much support and help. 93 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:42,120 We went through a $20,000 trademark lawsuit at Restaurant Connect. 94 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,560 We already owned the business name. 95 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,720 We spent 20,000 because we did not have great general counsel upfront. 96 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,200 Had we found the right person, 97 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,200 I don't think we would have had to go through that. 98 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,040 Then when Apple patented our software, 99 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,240 we ran into another challenge. 100 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,640 Why do I share this with you? 101 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,280 I hope you just get yourself in a position where you can find 102 00:05:00,280 --> 00:05:04,320 an entity you're comfortable with before you get into those situations yourself. 103 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,480 I'm hoping to save you from some hassle. 104 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,120 Feel free to contact Melissa Gray, 105 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,360 go check out her episode at the least and make 106 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,680 sure that you're making wise decisions to protect your brand. 107 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,640 Then there's the Healing Institute with Parmelia Parham. 108 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,720 The Healing Institute is 109 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,880 an international wellness community that she's building. 110 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,200 I love how she's bringing all these different practitioners of therapy, 111 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,640 of coaching, of different modalities in terms of healing 112 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,880 and pulling them together so that it's easy to find who you may want to work with. 113 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,200 Everybody's got different styles. 114 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,760 Sometimes the coach has all the answers. 115 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,160 Sometimes the therapist does. 116 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,320 Sometimes you need a different program entirely, 117 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,520 some energy healing, something of that nature. 118 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,120 I'm not the expert in all that, 119 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,560 but I'm super grateful for the expert in her who's decided to build 120 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,600 a program where she can pull those types of individuals together. 121 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,560 If you're a practitioner and you want included in that network and database, 122 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,280 then feel free to check out what they're doing at the Healing Institute. 123 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:03,760 If you're looking to be a client of somebody of that nature, 124 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,920 then you've got a new resource to filter through and see, 125 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,080 is the type of person that I want to work with 126 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,000 involved in this vision at the Healing Institute. 127 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,280 Then we'll talk about the Water Project. 128 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:18,040 The Water Project is something that is 129 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,960 something I literally forced to be near and dear to my heart. 130 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,960 I'm not going to pretend that I understand 131 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,680 anything about what it's like to not have water. 132 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,600 I've had it my whole life. 133 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,320 I've never had to worry about it. 134 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,520 They started to meditate on the fact that while there are millions of people 135 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,840 who don't have access to even clean drinking water, 136 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:38,800 I need to do something about it. 137 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,320 We do give and participate with the Water Project. 138 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,680 We're not affiliated with them. 139 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,800 My hope is that you will also be inspired to share 140 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,200 this message with others or perhaps contribute yourself. 141 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,880 What I love about their entity is they show 142 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,880 you what they're going to do for the communities they serve. 143 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,000 When you donate to a specific community, 144 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,920 you get to see the fruits of your labors. 145 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:03,040 You get to see that your donation was put to good use and that 146 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,040 that sand dam or the borehole well they were creating came to fruition. 147 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,520 If you can give to that, 148 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:10,760 then we would be grateful for it. 149 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,640 If you cannot share it, please. 150 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,160 If there's another cause that's near and dear to your heart, 151 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,760 and you're like, Jackson, I wish you would talk about this instead, do me a favor. 152 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,440 Send us the link in the comments. 153 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:23,720 Tell us about what that is. 154 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,560 We might contribute to that too. 155 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,080 My friends, we don't have to compete in this world with each other. 156 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,080 There's already enough challenges as it is. 157 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,160 There's eight billion people to serve. 158 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,080 We can come together and make great things happen for others, 159 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,880 and that's really what the show is all about. 160 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,960 We do that by finding visionaries who have 161 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,440 excellent stories and figuring out how they're serving this world. 162 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,560 Without further ado, I'm honored to bring on Adele Wang. 163 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,840 Thank you so much for being with us on VisionPros today. 164 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,840 Happy to be here. 165 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,040 Happy to have you. 166 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,880 What's your vision, Adele, for those that you serve? 167 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,760 That's such a deep question. 168 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,280 I don't think there's a simple answer because 169 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,240 the best questions often have very deep answers. 170 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:15,680 But I think we've gotten so detached from our reason for being here, 171 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,360 of how to live in a community, 172 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,920 of our sense of purpose. 173 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,960 Anything that can bring us back to who we are, 174 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,760 and I know that's a term that gets described a lot, 175 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,840 but it's really more of a feeling than a concept. 176 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:39,920 I think if people had more experiences rather than concepts, 177 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,480 it would give them more of a guiding post of what we 178 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,240 need when we talk about things like your show, 179 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,560 and talking about authenticity or being yourself. 180 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:55,280 It's amazing how many people still struggle with what that means, 181 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,200 because it feels so huge, 182 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,920 it feels so abstract, 183 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:05,400 even though the reality is that it's also just as finite as a grain of sand. 184 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,680 It's everywhere, and I think it's because it's so big, 185 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,760 it's hard for our brains to wrap around, 186 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:16,000 and yet it's also in the smallest of everyday experiences. Isn't that weird? 187 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,840 It's majestic. 188 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,560 You reminded me of an experience that I had that I've 189 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,880 forgotten that I wanted to figure out a way to duplicate. 190 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,800 There was this PhD of, 191 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,960 I don't know, Corporate Wellness or something like that, really smart lady. 192 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,200 She had us at this networking event do this game with a tent pole, 193 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,040 where everybody had to use their fingers to balance 194 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,680 this tent pole on their hands and work as a team to lower it down to the ground without letting it. 195 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:47,240 There's a number of rules. 196 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,320 It's a very interesting and fun process. 197 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,360 I don't want to ruin that because once you know how it works, 198 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,680 you don't get the experience, and that's your point. 199 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:01,320 There's an experience that unlocks a treasure trove of 200 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,480 understanding and depth that you just cannot get from reading the book, 201 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:13,840 that you just cannot get from the learning of how it looks like or what it's described as feeling. 202 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,040 I was like, man, what if we could create that type of experience 203 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,560 virtually so that more people could participate in that? 204 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:24,880 You're talking about these experiences. 205 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,400 I just got distracted because I was like, you're so right. 206 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:36,120 Yes. I loved your thought about if we tell people about something too early, 207 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,680 they don't get the experience. 208 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:43,040 I think that's what everyone's yearning for now is I want to have an experience of myself, 209 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,480 not so much learning more stuff, 210 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:50,400 but we don't always have the mechanisms or the things in place. 211 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,920 Because one thing I always share with all my clients is I don't 212 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,440 really care too much about what you know. 213 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,000 What I care about is what you're experiencing every day. 214 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Because a lot of leaders, 215 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,200 I'm sure you've learned, they have so much in their heads already. 216 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,440 We do. I'll throw myself in there too. 217 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,000 Me too. I mean, what's a geek out? 218 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,960 I mean, I like learning about psychology and human condition and all these stuff. 219 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,640 I mean, I love these books and they go into my head and it's so fascinating, interesting. 220 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Does it actually change my everyday experience? 221 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:29,200 Not sure, but my mind loves to entertain these big ideas. 222 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:35,120 But I think people want to feel more alive more than knowing stuff. 223 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,160 Wow. That's amazing. 224 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,360 I do. I'm not a woman, 225 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,480 but I'm in. What's your vision for you, Adele? 226 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,680 What do you see for yourself? 227 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:52,800 Well, I always think that I'm leading myself towards more of me, 228 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,440 just like I encourage my clients to do. 229 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:01,040 I'm always discovering more experiences within myself of what's coming through. 230 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,720 Because I do think we are works in process. 231 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:10,120 Meaning it's not like you ever arrive because what seemed to be fine a year ago, 232 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,240 is now morphing into something else. 233 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:13,680 There's always the more. 234 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:16,520 So it's a constant state of reinventing. 235 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:22,800 I think being curious and not knowing is a great place to be. 236 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,280 Because if you're like me, 237 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,920 I crave knowing things and that's always been my Achilles heel. 238 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:34,040 Because knowing things in some ways keeps you from growing because the mind takes over. 239 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Absolutely. 240 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:40,680 I'm living in a world these days with more curiosity. 241 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:43,320 A friend said, 242 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,520 it's like the questions are more useful than the answers. 243 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,280 An analogy I heard recently that I love, 244 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,560 it's like if your questions are keys to 245 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:58,000 a big mansion that has a lot of different rooms with locks in them, 246 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,160 and each of these keys unlocks a room, 247 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,600 the question is the key. 248 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,320 I love that. Where can these questions lead us? 249 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,880 They are keys to something more. 250 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,160 I love that. I just shared that quote with the audience in the comments. 251 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,720 The questions are more useful than the answers. 252 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,120 I'm a big fan of that as well. 253 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,240 There's a parenting guide that I read once, 254 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,720 one of the most brilliant parenting guides I've ever read. 255 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,800 It talked about kids between the ages of, 256 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,920 I think it was five and nine years old. 257 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,000 They go through a phase where they want to prove they know things. 258 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,360 They start to use that word a lot. 259 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,520 I remembered my childhood with my stepbrother who, 260 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,280 in this sense, he was a bully to me. 261 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,320 I was always saying, I know how to do that. 262 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,000 I know how to read, and he would read that sign. 263 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,800 So he would test me. 264 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,680 What was interesting though is his bullying, 265 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:58,400 so to speak, later becoming one of my best life friends, 266 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,120 led me to start to question. 267 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,520 Eventually, I learned how to stop questioning myself, 268 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,160 and start to only question the things I don't, 269 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,280 what do I know and do I really know it? 270 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,760 I came into harmony with that concept. 271 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:20,480 It is a liberating feeling to know that you don't have to know it all. 272 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:25,480 I know less about oxygen than I know about it, 273 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:30,520 and it's the most important element for my everyday survival. 274 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,360 If I don't know anything about oxygen, 275 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,800 why would I bother claiming that I know everything about everything else in life? 276 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,320 It's a discovery. So I love, thank you for sharing that. 277 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,720 Yeah. One of the quotes I always share with my clients, 278 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,440 especially if they're in leadership, 279 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:53,280 I said there is one phrase that will stop your growth more than anything else, 280 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,200 and it's the phrase, I already know that. 281 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,680 Yeah. 282 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,640 I can't talk to that person. 283 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,760 Yeah. I always encourage people, 284 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,680 it's not that you don't know anything, 285 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,920 but you can just set aside the I don't know that. 286 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,320 You might know a part of it, 287 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,760 but someone in front of you is trying to explain some pieces that might be new, 288 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,320 and wouldn't it be lovely to learn a little bit more. 289 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,760 I'm talking to myself, 290 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,800 I've had a tendency to jump to conclusions many times. 291 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,640 I already know that seems to be something that, 292 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,160 I don't know if it's a compulsion of the brain to just latch on and say, 293 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,440 yes, I know that. 294 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,120 But if you can set it aside, 295 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,920 I have found it really helpful for leaders, really helpful. 296 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,880 Whether you're talking to staff, 297 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,800 a vendor considering a project, 298 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,320 just setting aside, I already know that, 299 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,640 and getting back to curiosity. 300 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:47,680 It's huge. 301 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,320 We're wired for survival, all species are. 302 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,720 Survival means that we have a healthy dose of fear of the unknown. 303 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,440 We want to know, 304 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,040 and we want to feel that we're in control. 305 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,600 I love knowing stuff. 306 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,160 Yeah. 307 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,880 That's fun. 308 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:11,200 Not knowing can be delightful because it's a relief to not have to know. 309 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,240 Can you imagine if we had to know everything, 310 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,520 how frustrating that would be, 311 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,680 a lifetime of being expected to know everything. 312 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,920 Can you imagine what that would feel like? 313 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,800 I had friends in high school that felt that way. 314 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,120 I do remember. I remember the stress they had. 315 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,400 I remember the anxiety. I've got a sister who's like that. 316 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,400 No, I've never once, 317 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,680 I used to get compared to with my sister of what you're meant to be like her. 318 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,360 You're meant to go to Harvard and do these things. 319 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,360 I was very resilient and no, 320 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,160 I am not that. 321 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,200 I am not that, but what I didn't realize was, 322 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,400 it wasn't even that I was not that. 323 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,800 I had no desire to be like that, 324 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,680 to have that level of stress, 325 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,040 to have that level of anxiety. 326 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,640 I knew that that was causing that reaction of like, 327 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,440 man, you got to control everything. 328 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,160 Yeah. The desire to know. 329 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,000 It reminds me of something I was discussing with one of my clients recently 330 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:13,760 because of the way the world is heading right now with AI coming aboard. 331 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,680 I've got quite a few leaders talking to me like, 332 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,880 what does this mean? How can we prepare? 333 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,480 I said, it's a little bit like a paradigm shift. 334 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,640 10,000 years ago, 335 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,160 the rules of life were much more about following the seasons, 336 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,560 paying attention to the weather, 337 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,440 following the animals and planting things. 338 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,400 It was a very physical experience of life. 339 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,120 Then 250 years ago with the advent of the steam engine and then the computer, 340 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:45,680 the rules of the game changed into knowing things. 341 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,280 Everything was about mastering a skill set of knowledge, 342 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,160 of skill. 343 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,360 Information age. 344 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:55,080 Information and fitting in. 345 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,480 That's the nature of a lot of corporate work. 346 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,760 It's the nature of school. 347 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,280 There's a process and we fit in. 348 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:08,400 People have earned a livelihood based on how much they know, 349 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,440 whether it's being a lawyer, an accountant, doctor, accountant, 350 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,160 that you are paid because you know stuff and that you have 351 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,840 mastered a skill to produce an outcome. 352 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,400 But now with AI coming aboard, 353 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,880 the rules are changing again because now, 354 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,640 not only nobody cares about your body and the sun and the weather, 355 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,480 nobody's going to care too much how much you know either 356 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,920 because the bots and the machine can now do all that. 357 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,480 People are going, well, what's left? 358 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:42,200 I'm like, this is such an opportunity for leaders because what's left 359 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,000 is everything that truly matters. 360 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,720 Your creativity, your ability to inspire, 361 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,160 to have a vision, to draw people together, to counsel, 362 00:18:53,160 --> 00:19:00,000 to have a creative idea, to follow an impulse, intuition. 363 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,080 All these things cannot be replicated by machines. 364 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,400 These are also the things that make humans happiest. 365 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,920 If I could spend all my life in those parts of those energies 366 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,360 and less lost in the sauce of having to know stuff, my goodness. 367 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:22,320 Because I think humans, we were wired to be more in that skill set, 368 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,880 out of the box of a system of how to know things. 369 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,920 We're in this growth period where people say, 370 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,800 well, if I can't earn a livelihood based on what I know, 371 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,920 what's going to happen to me? 372 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,200 I understand there's an anxiety there. 373 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:38,800 Understandably so. 374 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,920 I think a lot of leadership will change. 375 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,160 I think a lot of careers will change. 376 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,880 And I think the careers of the future will 377 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,160 be for people who lean even more into what we're talking about, 378 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,160 whether you call it soft skills or sensitivity. 379 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,040 Because machines have no sensitivity. 380 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:03,240 They have no ability to empathize or inspire people. 381 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,200 But humans can. 382 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,080 That's the realm of being human. 383 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,200 And then using the machines for all the repetitive stuff 384 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,360 that people probably shouldn't be paid to do anyway. 385 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:15,320 Because there are other things people could be doing. 386 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:16,920 There's other things they can do. 387 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,880 So leaders are really faced with, what's 388 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,400 it like if you're not paid to know things, 389 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,560 but you're paid to inspire and share and bring people together, 390 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,160 especially in this world now where everybody is remote 391 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,360 on their devices and feeling, did you 392 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,880 know that loneliness rates, the data that's coming in, 393 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,080 it's pretty obvious. 394 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:43,680 Loneliness rates and depression are through the roof right now. 395 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,160 We have never seen this kind of stress. 396 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,160 And COVID, of course, didn't help. 397 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,680 But everyone thinks they're more connected. 398 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,720 Because we've got 5,000 friends on Facebook. 399 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,520 But I was sharing with my client this morning. 400 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,720 I said, I may have 3,000 friends on Facebook or Instagram. 401 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,120 But there was not one person on that list 402 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:06,200 I felt comfortable calling when I needed someone 403 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,200 to come over and feed my cat when I flew to Arizona 404 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,560 for a summit speaking thing. 405 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,760 Something is wrong here. 406 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,760 It looks like we know where people go on vacation. 407 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,680 We know what they had for lunch. 408 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,840 But how connected are we really? 409 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,240 The machine, the bot would say, well, 410 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,240 why don't you reach out to some of your friends? 411 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,640 But they can't feel what I feel. 412 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,320 Just not really connected to them. 413 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,720 There's somebody I met three years ago at an event. 414 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,140 And now we're friends on Facebook. 415 00:21:34,140 --> 00:21:37,200 But would I call them to come over and feed my cat? 416 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,320 I don't know. 417 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,400 So these are the questions. 418 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,080 I have never been happier to have somebody rant 419 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,760 on my podcast. 420 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:47,640 Never. 421 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,480 This is what's happening now. 422 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,360 Well, I've got visionary leaders who come on this show. 423 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,720 They have the coolest stories. 424 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,840 And they're doing the most amazing things. 425 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,680 And you've blown my mind. 426 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,040 And that's hard to do. 427 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,440 But you've also blown my mind and validated 428 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,920 the whole purpose of Vision Pros as well simultaneously. 429 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,440 And I'm going to ask a crazy, weird question. 430 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,200 If the last era was the information age, 431 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,000 what do you call this era? 432 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,080 Great question. 433 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,760 To me, there's nothing left but human connection. 434 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,280 Because what's left? 435 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,120 We've got people to take. 436 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:25,880 We've got machines. 437 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,520 And we can grow our food fine. 438 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,440 Half of it can be hydroponic. 439 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,200 Information and problem solving. 440 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,000 Even machine. 441 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,200 And experience. 442 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,360 You got me looking at this experience thing too, saying, 443 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:40,280 maybe this is the experience age or something. 444 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,280 The age of human experience. 445 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,360 And look at that. 446 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:44,880 We're doing so many different things. 447 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,240 My kids have done way more in their lives. 448 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,600 They've tried different foods. 449 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,840 They've been different places. 450 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:50,840 I'm always amazed. 451 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,320 Man, they've done everything that I've ever 452 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,360 done in my life already by the time they're 10 years old. 453 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:58,440 Yes. 454 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,360 There's so much of all. 455 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:01,280 It is a good thing. 456 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,680 And I noticed the other day when I 457 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,000 went to pick up something from the local mall 458 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,040 that there were a bunch of teenagers sitting around 459 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,840 the water fountain texting each other. 460 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,720 But they're sitting right next to each other. 461 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,200 I thought, oh my goodness. 462 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,800 So they're texting about each other. 463 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,600 Two will text about the third, I imagine. 464 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,440 Or maybe they're just talking to each other. 465 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,440 Yeah. 466 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,960 It happens in Zoom meetings too. 467 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,840 You've got a big enough Zoom meeting and team that's together. 468 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,400 Passing notes back and forth. 469 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,200 And it's important to learn as leaders 470 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,400 to cultivate, facilitate a safe place where that's happening 471 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,680 and healthy conditions. 472 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,080 And also to try to inspire the team to also be present 473 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,280 and authentic with each other. 474 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,920 And I think Patrick Lincione did the best job 475 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,960 of helping me realize how to do that with five 476 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,840 dysfunctions of a team. 477 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,760 But that poster behind me is actually all about his program. 478 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,160 It's required reading for everybody 479 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,320 who comes into our company. 480 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,880 Because the nature of a culture that 481 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,040 is built around authentic deep connections, accountability, 482 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,320 and healthy conflict, you don't learn that in society right now. 483 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,000 We don't. 484 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,760 That's not there. 485 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,120 So we're going to switch gears for the sake of the show. 486 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,760 I hope we have to under come back because, again, just 487 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,720 brilliant. 488 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,880 For the darker side, what's the worst leadership experience 489 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,120 that you've ever had? 490 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,120 Let me count the ways. 491 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,200 Well, because you're talking to someone 492 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,000 who learned the hard way. 493 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,840 I was not a fast learner at any of this, 494 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,360 even though I sound like I. It's true. 495 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:34,520 I'm much happier now. 496 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,560 But earlier on in my career, I would say behind the curve. 497 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,600 And that's why I invested so much in trying to learn. 498 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,120 I was very motivated. 499 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:46,560 And now I can honestly say I've got something 500 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:47,800 to share to people. 501 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,720 But I remember being just miserable 502 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,760 in a corporate setting. 503 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,520 And at that time, I really thought the way to succeed 504 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,000 was to know things and to work hard, 505 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,120 this myth of hard work and competency and knowing. 506 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,640 And I was beyond frustrated because I 507 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,040 was sitting next to a woman. 508 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,480 We shared this cube because there was no space. 509 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,960 So I could hear everything she was saying. 510 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,400 I'd watch people come in and out of our cube. 511 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,440 And I observed the difference between how people responded 512 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,920 to her and how they responded to me. 513 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,280 And it was night and day. 514 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,080 And I couldn't figure it out. 515 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,000 What am I doing wrong? 516 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,640 I'm actually doing more work. 517 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,640 But this woman had the ability of just attracting 518 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,800 a certain kind of attention that had nothing 519 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:36,800 to do with what you know. 520 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,120 She was good at what we're talking about. 521 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,400 And I was just frustrated. 522 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,040 Every day I'd go home anxious. 523 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,480 She got promoted first, all these other things. 524 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:51,000 And it didn't help the way things were. 525 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,280 She wound up dating my boss's boss. 526 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,560 So it was already this uncomfortable power dynamic 527 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,600 that she's reporting to our boss's boss. 528 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,080 Very weird feeling. 529 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,720 So that was probably at my worst because I 530 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,680 knew they were talking about me. 531 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,480 I remember walking by and hearing them 532 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,800 kind of snicker about me. 533 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:24,400 So that stands out as what can happen when leadership is not, 534 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,440 well, let's just say at the time, 535 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,680 I don't think there was a clear explanation of what 536 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,960 leadership was. 537 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,040 We were told to work hard and be competent. 538 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,080 But this woman, she already knew the name of the game 539 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,400 before I did. 540 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,160 So I was learning about leadership 541 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,280 that was not presented in any of the training materials, 542 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,080 wasn't presented in the performance review. 543 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,760 I couldn't see what I couldn't see. 544 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,640 I could only feel the impact, the experience of not 545 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,720 being on the side I wanted to be. 546 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,640 So I learned a lot from that experience 547 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,400 when the real power and leadership is not 548 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,360 written down anywhere. 549 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,600 You can look at an org chart, but that's not how a company 550 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,120 does it. 551 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,960 It's like taking a 12-year-old and putting them 552 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,420 in an algebra class that's appropriate for their age 553 00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:13,600 and their level. 554 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,040 But they just came out of a third world country, 555 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,560 and they don't even know how to read and write yet, 556 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,560 because nobody's helped them do it. 557 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,400 And so they can observe. 558 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,480 They can see success. 559 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,640 They can learn. 560 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,280 So they're going to learn way faster in that environment 561 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,400 than any other type of environment. 562 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,240 But that could very well cause a lot of stress and anxiety. 563 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,780 They're not necessarily going to perform like everybody else. 564 00:27:34,780 --> 00:27:39,800 And if no leader steps in and helps with the disconnect 565 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,960 there, then nothing you can really expect 566 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,080 is a failure to level up to that point. 567 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,360 But I think great leaders recognize that there's 568 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,080 nothing wrong with that child. 569 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,640 There's nothing wrong with the teacher. 570 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,080 There's nothing wrong with the environment even. 571 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,340 But how do we bridge the gaps that helps everybody 572 00:28:00,340 --> 00:28:01,840 appreciate the journey? 573 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,520 Absolutely. 574 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,960 And I think this is where leaders 575 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,220 are going to have to lean in even more, the way the world is 576 00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:10,840 moving, because it's going to be less task-oriented. 577 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,440 And people kind of sniff at soft skills. 578 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,680 But we don't really have good training programs. 579 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,600 People roll their eyes at it, like, oh, I 580 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,880 went to a reflective listening class once. 581 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,120 They call it woo-woo. 582 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:30,960 Yeah, like people, they sniff at DE and I programs 583 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,520 or whatever it is. 584 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,880 Because these are so amorphous, they're so difficult to define. 585 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,120 And yet, they're everything. 586 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,080 If you want to talk about a company's culture, 587 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,360 how do you build a culture? 588 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,960 You could write stuff down, but that doesn't really 589 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,520 do anything. 590 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,040 It's what people observe and experience 591 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,600 with the leaders around them. 592 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,680 Are they able to do they have the stamina 593 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,000 to be curious about people from vastly different backgrounds? 594 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,480 Or is it a very narrow, like we need 595 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,560 people talk about a good fit, because I was in a hiring 596 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,520 capacity at one time. 597 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,320 And all people wanted was a good fit. 598 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,160 But what does that mean? 599 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,080 It usually means someone who is more like you, 600 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,520 because it's easier. 601 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,520 Oh, they think like I do. 602 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,680 I like this. 603 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,160 It is. 604 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,520 And if you have a narrow offer and a narrow company, 605 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,040 they can work pretty well. 606 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,280 You can find a certain level of success, 607 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,760 but it's not for everybody. 608 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,040 If you're a coach or a life coach, for instance, 609 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,920 I hope you're very well open and rounded, 610 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,520 unless you're going to super niche down. 611 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,160 But hot topic comes to mind, the store and the mall. 612 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,600 Like you go into that store anywhere in the nation, 613 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,200 you're going to see the people who are dressed the same way, 614 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,280 have the same type of attitude. 615 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,440 And you go into journeys, like the skateboard store, 616 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,240 same thing. 617 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,040 There's a certain vibe and a reality there. 618 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,440 But if you're running a more open-ended company, 619 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:04,440 like a Walmart, like a, I don't know, a Headspace, 620 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,680 you then need to learn how to correlate with more people. 621 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:15,240 And that DI aspect becomes far more important to cater to. 622 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,800 Yeah, and this is where people typically 623 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,280 can't see themselves very well. 624 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,560 Because I think if you ask most anyone, 625 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,880 everyone sees themselves as open-minded and caring. 626 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,280 And there are very few people who 627 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,880 walk around truly in a malicious or purposely hurting people. 628 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,000 That's a very small minority. 629 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,920 Most people see themselves as, oh, yeah, people 630 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,200 can confide in me. 631 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,920 I believe in my people. 632 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:49,000 So the growth process requires going where people don't know. 633 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,120 And then some people are more open to it than others. 634 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,000 Absolutely. 635 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,520 Somebody who skydives is far more open to that than somebody 636 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,360 who never leaves their home. 637 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,680 There's dynamics to it. 638 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,600 And anybody, you can find the rare exception 639 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,720 to argue with it. 640 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,960 The point that I think we're both making 641 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,440 is it's rather than trying to know, 642 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,520 I'm not trying to know it or prove a point, 643 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,400 as much as I'm exploring it and honoring 644 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,120 the reality of questioning. 645 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,160 Because I like to make room for that. 646 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,320 It's like, OK, I would never have a narrow company. 647 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,240 I wouldn't enjoy that process. 648 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,280 I like the diversification of thought process. 649 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,720 So we build more in line with what you're talking about. 650 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,360 Let's dive into the best leadership experience. 651 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,160 What is the best leadership experience 652 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,960 that you've ever had? 653 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,320 I'm trying to think. 654 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,320 I wish I could say I had a bunch of them. 655 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,280 Because my biggest teachers have been 656 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,560 from the School of Hard Knocks. 657 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,400 But I have been around people who were just, 658 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,280 there was something about them that they were just 659 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,920 genuinely personally interested in me. 660 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,600 You can always tell when it's written to their job description 661 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,400 that they're supposed to mentor their people and whatever. 662 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,080 But there have been a couple of people that stand out 663 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,080 that for whatever reason, they were much more interested in me 664 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:14,280 than I expected and wanted to know how I thought. 665 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,240 I had a lot of creativity at that time 666 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,840 that I didn't think was very useful. 667 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,960 Who needs that? 668 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,040 Oh my gosh, I doubt we really need that. 669 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,640 And so the people who know how to evoke qualities out 670 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,600 of staff or whoever they're working with, 671 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,520 those are worth a dime a dozen. 672 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,760 That is much more valuable than being able to manage somebody. 673 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,760 If you have the ability to bring out someone's greatness 674 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,560 through just simple conversation, not that, 675 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,960 I mean, you can coach them. 676 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160 But I think it's more of an energy in the field 677 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,800 that someone truly believes in you, 678 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,400 someone's curious about you. 679 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,440 And can pull out qualities in you that you didn't even know. 680 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,520 They don't even show up on the performance with you. 681 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,200 But they see you as a human. 682 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,840 Right. 683 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,440 Those people are fabulous. 684 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,000 I love that. 685 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,480 You actually reminded me of the, I watched a movie 686 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,880 about a mathematician named Ramanujan. 687 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,280 And he was this prodigy mathematics kid out of India 688 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,920 back when, let's just say, civil rights wasn't as far along. 689 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,360 And then he ends up going to Oxford or one of those Ivy 690 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,280 League or big schools. 691 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,360 Well, super famous. 692 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,280 And they hated the fact that he knew what he knew 693 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,040 without any formal training. 694 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,960 And they did not want to make him, 695 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,680 I think it was called a fellow in that environment. 696 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,640 And there's one professor that can eventually 697 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,080 let go of his own paradigm of structure 698 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,120 and how this has to be and the fact 699 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,560 that he wasn't white or Caucasian 700 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:51,560 and is able to finally move into, you know what? 701 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,840 I need to stand up for this guy. 702 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,600 This guy does have what it takes. 703 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,760 He is teaching us new things. 704 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,400 And it reminds me of that type of leader you're talking about 705 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,440 that may not have had that from the get-go. 706 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,960 But what's cool about that is it's 707 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,920 something that can be learned. 708 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,760 It's something we can develop and become if we're willing to. 709 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,680 And it's leaders like yourself that are ultimately 710 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,360 teaching that and helping people see that that experience is 711 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,360 one we can own and have. 712 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,600 Before we develop that, I want to make 713 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,680 sure we have time for this. 714 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,000 If this were the last chance, Adele, 715 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,800 that you had to speak about powerful lessons 716 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,080 and help the world, what powerful lesson 717 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,120 can other visionaries learn from your experience? 718 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,600 Mm, wow. 719 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,520 Be curious about everything. 720 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,640 And especially if you can develop the ability 721 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,920 to stay in your body instead of popping out, 722 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,000 that will help a lot. 723 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,200 Because my experience has been presence. 724 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,720 If we talk about what are these qualities that people 725 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,920 are attracted to following, it's not always a title. 726 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,160 It's not always an education or even a personality sometimes. 727 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:09,880 But some people have an energy field that's much more, 728 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,680 well, in technical words, it just 729 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,200 means they're more in their body and less likely to fly off 730 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,720 into fight, flight, freeze, or fawn response, 731 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,880 meaning they have the stamina. 732 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,160 The word is stamina. 733 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,360 Can you stay in your body? 734 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,720 Or does every little thing set you off? 735 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:29,680 Because people who can stay in their body, 736 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,120 they're like a bomb for everybody else. 737 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,960 That, oh my god, I just feel so much better 738 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,840 around if this person's in the room, the teamwork is better. 739 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,280 And they're just sitting there. 740 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,120 And that can be built. And that, with an open mind, 741 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,400 I think, will go a long way. 742 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,680 Wow. 743 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,880 It's neat how you combine those two dynamics of making sure 744 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,480 that we, and I'm going to go back to the quote real quick, 745 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,600 the being just about everything, but then recognizing 746 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,400 to stay in your body. 747 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,400 It's funny because I record these quotes as people talk 748 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,120 about this particular topic because I know how important 749 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,280 these quotes are to them. 750 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,080 I know how important they're going 751 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,920 to be to people who come across and like, wow, 752 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,160 that really resonates with me. 753 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,160 And what's funny is, as I'm writing that quote, 754 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,840 I'm going out of body. 755 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,320 I'm having to technically write that down. 756 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,240 But I'm also simultaneously trying 757 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,480 to stay within the present message 758 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,320 and receive it for myself and develop my own thought 759 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,840 process around it and make sure that I don't allow 760 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,680 the technicalities to take away from me what I also 761 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,040 could have gotten out of that. 762 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,920 And it's a process to learn and develop around 763 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,600 that at 22 years old, I did not have that capability. 764 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,920 I was for sure one or the other. 765 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,480 And I probably wasn't even very aware 766 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,120 about the value of being in the moment at that age. 767 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,120 I don't think I got that. 768 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,880 Well, I probably got that around 18 or so. 769 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,520 But again, these are skill sets that as visionaries, 770 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,520 we can develop and you can experiment with in order to see, 771 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,400 is this an experience that you want for yourself? 772 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,000 And I just know that there's a lot of people 773 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:24,440 who don't know what it means to be in your body. 774 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,720 It's so foreign, so woo woo for people, 775 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:31,240 that they say, no, that's not for me. 776 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:32,840 Touchy feely is not for me. 777 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:39,760 And I'm like, why sacrifice that opportunity in life? 778 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,120 Why prejudge it rather than just at least see what that's like? 779 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,200 I couldn't be that way. 780 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,200 Exactly, because there are no words that 781 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,880 can convey a feeling, really. 782 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,320 I mean, it has to be an experience. 783 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,240 Even if someone just gets a glimpse of it for 30 seconds, 784 00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:58,360 then they're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, like, yeah, that, 785 00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,600 whatever you call that. 786 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,480 But if they've never had that, you 787 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,920 could write a whole book on embodiment 788 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,240 and they wouldn't have a clue. 789 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,480 Because it's the wrong dimension. 790 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,200 It's like, yeah, so all we can do 791 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,480 is encourage people to be curious. 792 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,800 I like the word curious because you can't judge anything 793 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,720 if you're in the curious state. 794 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,920 It's just not really possible to judge and be 795 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,000 curious at the same time. 796 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,280 So if we're trying to reduce the activity, we can be curious. 797 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,080 Yep, absolutely. 798 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,680 And you can delay your judgment. 799 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,720 It's not always healthy. 800 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:33,600 I mean, if you're close to a cliff's edge, 801 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,200 then your judgment can be something 802 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,280 that pulls you back from that very fast in a very good way. 803 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,000 But you can also overreact and slip and fall off. 804 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,600 There's certain aspects of that strength that can become 805 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,320 a very predominant weakness. 806 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,040 Yeah, I think discernment is different than judging. 807 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,920 Discernment is just noticing. 808 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,880 Judging has a little bit more of a, is this good or bad? 809 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,360 Discernment is blue. 810 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,720 Is blue good or bad? 811 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,440 It just is. 812 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,400 So I can be curious. 813 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,800 What color is the sky today? 814 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,560 And if I see blue, I discern that it's blue versus I 815 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,880 discern one day it's gray or the next day it might be pink. 816 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,720 But there's no judgment attached with that. 817 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,520 It's just noticing because I was curious what color is the sky. 818 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,400 So yeah. 819 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,640 You bring up a great point. 820 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,680 I would contest, so to speak, in that semantics are 821 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,680 kind of a fun reality of, again, it depends. 822 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,600 Did you grow up super religious where judgment 823 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,560 made you feel awful? 824 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,560 Or did you grow up with a different style of definition? 825 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:39,720 Same applies to love. 826 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:41,400 Same applies to almost any word. 827 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,000 But that general feeling usually is 828 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,800 what I gravitate towards. 829 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,240 It's like, what was the meaning behind the expression? 830 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:54,480 And that leads me to if there's a couple activities 831 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,800 that you could recommend to leaders and visionaries 832 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,280 in regards to how. 833 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,680 How do we develop and nurture strong, sensitive leaders? 834 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,600 And we know the byproduct of that 835 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,120 is going to enhance communities. 836 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,440 It gives voice. 837 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,240 Meaning it gives perspective. 838 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:14,560 But what are some practical ways that leaders can dive into that? 839 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,760 I love anything that's spontaneous, like improv. 840 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,120 Dance will put you in your body. 841 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,840 Leadership training is probably not 842 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,200 going to put people in the most joyous state, 843 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,480 but getting them to learn how to do a three minute improv 844 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,680 monologue when you have to think on your feet. 845 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,920 Your flying experience, that'll put you in your body. 846 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,600 And that is an excellent way to learn 847 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,200 how to dance more in the moment when 848 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,480 things are going on at the company. 849 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,480 Because everything really is an improv these days. 850 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,120 You're dancing in the moment. 851 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,880 So I'm excited to try this. 852 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,920 But for the layman, I'm going to admit fully, 853 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,120 I heard what you said. 854 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,760 I know where you're leaning, but I'm like, 855 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,280 I have no idea what that meant. 856 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,320 So do you happen to have like a, that is going to sound so 857 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,040 shady if you do have one, do you happen 858 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,320 to have like a lead magnet related to that? 859 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,080 Or like a guide of like a little mini, 860 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,880 here's how to run that type of workshop? 861 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,120 Because I would love to try that with my team. 862 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,520 Yeah. 863 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,800 You know, I don't, yeah, that's a little bit out of my ring. 864 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,360 Well, I know I actually have had people in my groups. 865 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,080 And first they hate it, and then they love it. 866 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:31,680 Yeah. 867 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,200 We'll have a group and I'll say, OK, Sue, pick up your phone. 868 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,880 And I want you to sell me on why this phone is amazing. 869 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,440 That this phone, you can call Mars with it. 870 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,160 And the kinds of conversations you had with the Martian 871 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,840 last week go. 872 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,960 And so just the creativity starts to flow, 873 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,600 making up all kinds of stories. 874 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,840 And it's a lot of fun, but it gives us 875 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,160 a different part of the brain. 876 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,040 Oh my goodness, yes. 877 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:57,520 Yeah. 878 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,080 Like, oh my gosh, you know, on Mars, 879 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,520 there's a colony of Martians. 880 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,320 And they sit there and they grow all sorts of crops on Mars. 881 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,560 And I'm going to get one in the care package next week. 882 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,120 And like, they're going on and on. 883 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,560 And I'm like, good, because the creativity is flowing. 884 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,600 And that's what you'll use next time 885 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,120 you've got someone asking you questions for the press 886 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,920 or you're in front of the board. 887 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,320 And there's no script. 888 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,400 You can't prepare everything in life. 889 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,320 Sometimes you're on. 890 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,920 It's prime time. 891 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,320 And rock and roll. 892 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,960 And I've also noticed that people 893 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,440 tend to come alive when they practice this. 894 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,880 It's like, kind of enjoyable. 895 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,200 I'm like, yeah, because we're meant to create. 896 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,680 Wow, that's awesome. 897 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,840 We're going to awkwardly stumble through that 898 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,920 and have some fun with it. 899 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,240 We've used some more structured style. 900 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:51,680 I guess I shouldn't say structured. 901 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,680 They're just more comfortable for me 902 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,360 to move things forward in the past. 903 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,560 I have some examples of me improving on TikTok. 904 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,000 Being really crazy. 905 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,400 But people can say, they can feel the energy 906 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,120 and go, oh, it's like that. 907 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,440 Just go really crazy on TikTok. 908 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,640 Because that's the channel for wacky stuff. 909 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,040 That's the channel for crazy. 910 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,720 Yeah. 911 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:14,840 And people go, oh, yeah. 912 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,320 And once one person is willing to do it. 913 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,960 Yeah, this kind of stuff. 914 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:20,960 You can do more. 915 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,000 Everyone else starts to get inspired. 916 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,320 That's what a leader does. 917 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,000 Let me go first. 918 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,280 Let me hold the energy of being wacky and totally out 919 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,960 of my element and just see what happens. 920 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,960 And everyone else starts going, you know what? 921 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,880 I can do that too. 922 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,480 That's leadership. 923 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,800 That's right there is leadership. 924 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,560 You're evoking someone's greatness. 925 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,920 And you go first without a script. 926 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:42,720 And we dance. 927 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:43,520 Yeah. 928 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,480 That is so cool. 929 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,800 I'm super excited about it. 930 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,240 So yeah, we do karaoke sometimes on Friday. 931 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:51,480 That's a good one. 932 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,400 Yeah, like I said, a little bit more structured for me. 933 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:53,960 Musician. 934 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,080 I'm a little bit more at comfort zone as well. 935 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,800 So we do a meeting called Level Up Calm Down. 936 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,120 And we're still there to contribute. 937 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,560 But it's more of our break room. 938 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,080 We have an hour and a half on Fridays 939 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,000 to where we really just get to know each other. 940 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,000 And sometimes, because everybody speaks Spanish, not everybody, 941 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,800 but 99% of our people speak Spanish, 942 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,280 we studied out the words and the languages. 943 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,160 And they'll be like, and I'm the gringo in that environment. 944 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,520 I don't know it perfectly. 945 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,880 And they'll be like, oh, Jackson, understand that. 946 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,160 And I'll be like, hold on one second. 947 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,480 From Peru, did you understand that? 948 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,200 And they're like, nope. 949 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,160 And I'm like, OK, so there's different words 950 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,160 and different cultures. 951 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,360 And so we have a lot of fun making space for that. 952 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:45,120 But I like this idea of getting far more creative, really 953 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,560 breaking the shells open. 954 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,880 Because, yeah, once you can't even describe, 955 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,440 it's indescribable, the connection that occurs 956 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,080 once you have shared experience. 957 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,200 Little kids used to do this naturally. 958 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,080 They'd play with each other in the neighborhood 959 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,240 or make friends with a new kid on the block. 960 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:06,480 And they were so in the moment. 961 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,440 I don't know, maybe we'd need to take a team to the beach 962 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,280 and have them build sand castles or something. 963 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,080 I don't know. 964 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,600 But just turning on that circuit again can be really useful. 965 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,280 Like, hey, let's play with the dinosaurs and then the soldiers. 966 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,560 And let's play at home. 967 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,200 And then the dinosaur will be the wife. 968 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,360 And yes, you do all sorts of weird things as a kid. 969 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,640 And you find yourself laughing. 970 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,800 You find yourself learning. 971 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,320 You find yourself creating things 972 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,280 that make no sense to anybody else. 973 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,240 But it matters to you and the people you belong. 974 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:37,160 That's so cool. 975 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,920 So visionaries and leaders out there, 976 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,040 did you learn something? 977 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,200 You're going to learn a thing. 978 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,600 Some of you are just nuts. 979 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:44,320 That's OK. 980 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,640 You can feel that way. 981 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,040 The ones who get it, though, and you go 982 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,800 and you practice these things, you 983 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,320 are going to create a little bit of disruption in your company. 984 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,200 But is disruption a bad thing? 985 00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,880 No, in fact, you have to. 986 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,840 Disruption happens every day anyway. 987 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,080 But usually, it comes in the form of negativity. 988 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,040 Usually, it comes in the form of like, oh, now 989 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,560 what happened with the presidents? 990 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,600 Oh, now what happened with X, Y, or Z? 991 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,440 This is controlling the form. 992 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,880 Ultimately, you're gaining more control by letting go 993 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,560 and diving in. 994 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,680 This is so cool. 995 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,720 Thank you for this, Adele. 996 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:20,600 That was awesome. 997 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,440 Oh, it's wonderful. 998 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,440 Vision pros. 999 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,560 We're going to have some action steps, ways 1000 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,320 you can get in touch with Adele. 1001 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,560 You can feel the power and value of extending this 1002 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:31,400 for your brand. 1003 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,520 And really, just imagine how your company would be 1004 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,000 if everybody in your company was happy. 1005 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,920 Just imagine what it would feel like if people 1006 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,040 wanted to come to work because things like this 1007 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,400 were going to happen. 1008 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,120 What would happen to the results? 1009 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,080 What the energy would be like for your prospects 1010 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,040 and your clients? 1011 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,800 So we'll have those action steps in there. 1012 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,400 And I hope that you take that ambitious, courageous feeling 1013 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,440 and you also decide to click the button at the top. 1014 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,680 This is Be Our Guest. 1015 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,720 If you have a vision of helping the world, 1016 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,560 and whether it's helping the leaders who 1017 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,120 are sensitive in nature and delicate, 1018 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,600 whether it's helping people in your neighborhood 1019 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,040 or it's something you're trying to get people to Mars 1020 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,120 to talk to those Martians that Adele talked about 1021 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,880 and you're on the Elon Musk track record, 1022 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,720 whatever your vision is, it's not about the size. 1023 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,360 It's about the authenticity. 1024 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,680 That's what we want in the show. 1025 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,440 So feel free to join us in the show. 1026 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,200 And Adele, thanks for joining us on Vision Pros Live. 1027 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,840 We'll see everybody in the next episode. 1028 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:25,640 Thank you. 1029 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,000 Thank you for being here today. 1030 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,480 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 1031 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,120 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions 1032 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,400 as these episodes continue to move forward. 1033 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,120 This is going to get more and more fun. 1034 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,920 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 1035 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,040 We'll invite people to participate in the show. 1036 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,400 And thank you for giving us your time and attention. 1037 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:56,600 Have an excellent time building out your vision.