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and thinks they're a photographer these days.

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I can take the best photos in the world.

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What types of practice or elements of technique

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do you work on to create these amazing images

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that you, they're able to create?

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For me, I've learned a lot

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from shooting different variety of things.

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it's allowed me to find what I love most,

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which has been great.

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You know, I have my niche, I have my strengths,

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but shooting a lot of different types of people

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has been really educational and challenging in a good way.

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And another thing that has improved my skill

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working on basics is, and it's actually from art class.

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I learned it in probably eighth grade or ninth grade.

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and the principles of design.

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about art in general, you know,

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whether it's a painting or a drawing or a photo.

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Perfect.

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And so I like that you talked about not niching down.

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Niching down is such an overhyped concept in my opinion.

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Google's not very niche, Amazon's not very niche.

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You know, these massive, Disney is not very niche.

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They have all sorts of brands under their umbrella.

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And you're talking about how being able to dive

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into these curiosity buckets, these areas

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where you don't necessarily have it perfected to a T

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has inspired you and allowed you

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to improve your craft across the board.

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I think the same is true of entrepreneurs

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and almost any endeavor and category at their end.

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Same thing with visionaries.

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Before we dive into your vision further,

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I'd love to know what three resources do you recommend

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to other leaders, visionaries, and entrepreneurs out there?

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Yeah, so for, I mean, my focus in photography

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is kind of limited as far as like resources for that.

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But for me, I would suggest entrepreneurs

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and self-employed people to seek out Facebook groups,

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actually, Facebook groups have been like a shining beacon

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of the cesspool that Facebook is sometimes.

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Sometimes, not always, I like Facebook.

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But I also don't like a lot of things.

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But Facebook groups have been like this little safe island

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where you can meet people in a localized area

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that have a similar interest.

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You know, there's interest groups, of course,

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and hobby and profession groups.

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But there's no algorithm involved in the posting

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and the groups and there's no ads.

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to something that you need to learn or benefit from

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have been huge for me.

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I have learned a lot and I've gained clients

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and I've made friends.

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Those three things are like huge to me.

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And that's all thanks to Facebook groups.

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Another resource, and this may be a no-brainer, but YouTube.

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There are so many incredible channels on YouTube

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that teach, for me, photography,

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but entrepreneurial and money-making

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and selling courses.

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There's so many topics on YouTube that are scotch-free

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and a lot of them are high quality.

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Not all of them, but there are high quality ones out there

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that you can really gain a lot from.

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I call it the YouTube university.

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Where'd you go to college?

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Well, YouTube.

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I was about to say, not all professors

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are equal at universities and you nailed it.

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that also hurt that the students can't even understand them.

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How do you learn from that?

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So yeah, YouTube has been huge.

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And then another thing is to find mentors

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that are ahead of you and above you,

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but that can also be trusted and can teach well.

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I've had a few people in my life

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that have been able to mentor me.

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Not that I've been a challenging student,

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but they were willing, rather.

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I should say they were willing to mentor me

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and pull me up to the next level.

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is just finding the right people in the industry.

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Those are all fantastic.

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In fact, the first two are unique.

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Ironically, nobody's talked about the resource

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of Facebook and YouTube.

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that some people take for granted,

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but there's a difference in knowing how to play

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on Facebook and YouTube and knowing how to use it

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as a productivity resource.

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So I agree with you 100% Facebook groups.

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When you filter and find the right type of Facebook group,

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the people who are not even necessarily like-minded,

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but have a sense of purpose and passion

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around what they're doing, not just selling you something.

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and come together in nature.

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Doesn't matter if it's paid for or not,

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you can find tremendous resources within those groups.

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And life's about that, right?

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Can we say the same thing about our own neighborhoods

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and our own zip codes, our own states,

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where you can find lots of resources that are distractions

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and elements that can tear you down

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as much as you can find elements that could build you up.

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It just depends, what do we focus our time and efforts on?

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You mentioned mentoring.

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I have plenty of people who have mentored me

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when I wasn't ready for it too.

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I needed to learn.

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So you mentioned they,

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I can't remember the words you used exactly,

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but there've been times where I didn't quite know

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what I needed.

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what it was that I wasn't willing to see by myself

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or wasn't capable of seeing by myself.

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for us to step in to mentorship,

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to accept it with open arms and say, you know what?

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Maybe I don't know it all.

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What can I learn from this person

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who has experience in this category

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that's different than mine or superior to mine?

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And allow myself to dive in fully with that.

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Who's your best mentor?

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Let's give a shout out.

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Give me a guess.

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Could be Eli.

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Who is it?

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It's an easy one for me.

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And a lot of people in San Antonio will agree,

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Jim Landers.

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Jim Landers is an awesome guy.

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He's like the patron saint of learning photography

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in San Antonio.

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I did meet Jim once.

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I'm not a photographer.

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And I was like, man, this is cool.

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He was in a photo contest group, right?

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Jim Landers.

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Okay, excellent shout out to Jim.

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Did you have more to say about that?

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I actually didn't catch your off guard.

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Well, a little bit.

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I mean, he doesn't just teach photography,

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which you can learn in a lot of places,

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but he also teaches a business side,

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which you can't learn in a lot of places.

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Not even photography degrees.

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They don't teach you business or photography

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in most colleges.

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was learning the business side,

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learning that self-worth,

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learning strategies to price myself

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and how to find clients.

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I'm not just on the top of the mountain, you know,

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filthy rich.

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Like it's a learning process still,

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but he pulled me up light years ahead of where I was

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and has helped me a lot.

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It's huge.

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I think one of the things that we,

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I've taken for granted even,

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I can't speak for everybody,

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but all of these specialized practices,

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whether it's chiropractors or photographers,

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they talk about how they don't learn

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the business aspect in school.

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I think it's not because people don't express

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that they want to learn that.

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I know colleges listen to that.

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You know, they probably feel the pain of that too,

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but the challenge that we're not keying in on

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as mature adults is realizing,

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well, if they're not teaching it,

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maybe it's harder than we think it is.

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That should resonate with all of us.

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Business is not easy.

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And somebody who's oversimplifying it, you know,

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they either, you know, again,

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who are winning and there's proof that they're winning,

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that's one thing, but in all reality,

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96% of businesses are going out of business

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within 10 years.

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I don't think colleges know how to bridge that gap safely

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and correctly.

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So we have to be very aware that, you know,

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this game of business and fulfilling our visions,

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it's not impossible, but it does take hard work,

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which is not necessarily anybody's favorite thing

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to agree to do.

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What are your thoughts on that, Daniel?

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Am I wrong on that?

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Am I right on that?

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No, I totally agree.

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However, I do think that colleges in a perfect world,

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they could somehow teach the business information

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with the trade.

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That's a lot of information.

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And I guess that's why business is a whole other degree

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and rightfully so.

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When photographers, when hopeful, new, fresh photographers

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come and say, I wanna go to college for photography

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and say, maybe don't do that.

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I would humbly suggest go to school for business

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and or marketing somewhere in that world.

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Learn the hard stuff from a good source

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and then learn the easy stuff.

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I mean, I think photography is relatively easy to learn

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compared to the business practice.

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So are you suggesting that counselors might accidentally

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talk people out of going to universities

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and ruin the revenue stream of the university

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if they were to honestly guide people to,

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I never mind, I'm gonna leave that right where it's at.

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So there is a revenue stream behind all business models,

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whether we call ourselves universities or brands.

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rather than fully looking out for the needs

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of those that we're serving.

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That's not a recommended path by me, by the way,

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but it is something I am openly willing

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to discuss in this platform.

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So Daniel, we're gonna dive into your vision

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right after a quick break.

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I love your photography.

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It reminds me of what I've seen from Josh Rossi,

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who's one of my favorite photographers,

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full-time photographer.

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And your stuff is amazing.

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I can't wait to just get to know you more

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as now I live close in New Braunfels.

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And man, I'm excited to have in your work

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and see what types of photography

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we can pull off for my kids in the near future.

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I think that would be a fantastic opportunity.

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So we'll be right back everybody.

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We'll be looking more into Daniel's photography,

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diving into his vision,

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and see how we can help you with your visions along the way.

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All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live.

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With Jackson Callum, I'm your show host.

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We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs

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and guest leaders who are building

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fantastic visions out there.

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What's up, guys?

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Hey, what's up?

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And welcome in to another episode of Vision Pros Live.

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I'm your show host, Jackson Callum,

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founder and CEO of First Class Business.

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And I'm excited to have Daniel Grove on my stage today.

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He is a photographer, and he is not just any photographer.

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He does those really cool photography concepts

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that transform you into a superhero,

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and you can see the powers and effects of it.

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In addition to that, he does some amazing photography

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for weddings or special events.

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We're talking about memories here.

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We're talking about transforming our future with memories.

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We're gonna dive into that too, but the power of an image,

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if you've ever had an image taken of you

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or you've seen an image that makes you go,

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wow, even if it's not yours,

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that's that wow, that feeling and sense of awe.

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In fact, I've got LeBron James on this wall behind me

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and he is breaking the record for the scoring record

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for the NBA.

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And that moment, that awe that's driven by that,

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it has a lot to do with the photography.

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It has a lot to do with seizing the moment,

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but it's now ingrained in history for all of us.

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And you can have that same type of effect.

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It doesn't have to be the scoring record or title.

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And I hope that all of you get the chance

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to have that experience, at least,

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even if it's not for yourself, for your kids,

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for other people who care about your life,

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for other people, it might be your pet.

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There's so many opportunities that go along with that.

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And now I'm kind of turning this into a promotion

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for Daniel's service, but why?

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Because I've seen the power and I've felt it

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of having that photography done

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and seeing the effect it can have on both the brand,

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of vision, and again, on memories of my own childhood.

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So with that said, we're gonna move into a few resources

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and bring Daniel back on stage.

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First is the lost spot.

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The Lost Spot's run by Melissa Gray.

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I'm gonna keep this short today.

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I almost didn't allow her to come onto my show

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because lawyers are often pretentious.

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They often condescend to speak over you.

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She makes legal simplified.

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I had a $20,000 lawsuit regarding our trademark

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at Restaurant Connect.

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We won, but we spent $20,000 protecting our own brand name.

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I don't think we won in that case.

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We could have done a better job of finding

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who we were gonna work with and who we aligned with

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to represent our brand than we did.

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We suffered the consequences accordingly.

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Don't be like Jackson.

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Don't suffer the consequences.

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Do your research upfront.

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Find out who you want to represent your craft.

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Then there's Recovery Unplugged with Andrew Sosin.

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Recovery Unplugged is an addiction recovery program

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that also incorporates music.

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I'm a big fan of music.

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I know what it's like to help people overcome addictions

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as well as be involved in the process

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of trying to understand it.

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Entrepreneurs, we have addictive personalities.

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These can be simple things like binge watching Netflix

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to escape life and are diving into apps for hours at a time

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to drugs and alcohol.

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If you suffer from it, my hope for you

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is that you will seek the advice and counsel

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from an entity like this.

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If you have a friend or family member that suffers,

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rather than putting the onus on them to seek the counsel,

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call and learn what you can do to help them get inspired

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to get the help they need.

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You may save somebody's life in the process.

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Now, the other reason why I bring this up

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is he's got over 400 team members at Recovery Unplugged.

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And some of his executives graduated from the program

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within itself.

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They are now executives with excellent families.

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And his way of leadership just aligns really well

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with my heart.

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And when I find founders that have programs that are amazing,

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I'm like, man, I want to tell the world about this

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because I want to see that entity continue to succeed

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in the ripple effect and byproduct of helping people

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overcome their worst case scenarios

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and transform them into some of the most productive people

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in society.

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I mean, I don't know too many causes

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that are doing more for society

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than what Andrew has been able to create.

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So I'm just in awe at his team

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and what they've been able to do for people.

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Then there's the water project.

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The water project will not benefit you or I.

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People who are listening, we have the water that we need.

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My water bottle is usually right next to me.

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I'd have to run downstairs a whole 10 yards

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in order to get access to my clean drinking water.

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Meanwhile, there's millions of people

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who don't have clean drinking water on this earth.

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Their kids have to leave school

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or they have to choose to leave work

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and they walk three to five miles

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and they get access to water that may not be so clean.

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And that could be very dangerous for their family.

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What's cool about the water project

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is they allow us to see the projects

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that we're contributing to.

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And if you contribute even just $5

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to that particular cause or project,

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you get to see the outcome of the project too.

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You get to see the borehole well that they drill

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or you get to see the sand dam.

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The community learns how to maintain it.

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I just think it's amazing the amount of transparency

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and the depth of education that the water project does

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to help us get involved.

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And there are millions of people out there

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who could use their help.

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Now, if you are struggling economically as well

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or you know of another source of challenges,

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another reality that people are going through

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and you wanna drop a link to get support or help

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for maybe your crowdfunding project

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or maybe a friends, or maybe it has something to do

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with another initiative in the world.

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My friends, we have 8 billion people in this world to help.

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And those of us fortunate enough to talk on a microphone

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as part of our work or listen in and tune in

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to receive knowledge.

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My hope is that we can do more to at least spread the word

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and help some of those people out.

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So thanks for joining me in that and being interested.

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And without further ado,

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I'm gonna bring Daniel Grove on stage.

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We're gonna talk about his vision and photography as well.

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So Daniel, thank you for being here today, man.

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It's my honor to have you as a guest.

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Oh, my honor too.

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Thank you for having me.

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Absolutely.

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So beyond the frame, beyond the photo,

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what's your vision for those that you serve?

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I wanna capture milestones.

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I have kind of two sides to my business.

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One is the creative fun stuff, which is great.

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But then there's a more purposeful, more weighty part,

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which is I wanna capture moments

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that are important to people.

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I wanna capture them in a timeless way.

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It's where they don't look back in ten years and say,

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oh, that looks like a 2010 photo.

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I want it to be like a piece of art,

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happens to be digital, but it's a piece of art on its own.

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And they can enjoy it for decades to come.

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That's kind of my, that's one of my goals

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is to make long lasting time-freezing art

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that means something to someone.

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Absolutely.

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Like that photo of LeBron behind you.

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Right, for sure.

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And as the guy with long hair now,

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it is amazing how many people key in on my photos

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and say, Jackson, you really should update your photos.

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And we take those.

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No, man, those photos have meaning.

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I don't have to update the whole brand.

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It gives us new dynamics.

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But it is certainly helpful as well

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to capture the new memories, the new essence.

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So what are some of the favorite projects you've had

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that when you think of the client reactions,

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you know, I'm sure people have cried.

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I'm sure people have laughed.

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What was the circumstance and the case for those photos?

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Man, I have had some, I have made some women cry.

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And that's not something a lot of people can say

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in their profession with pride.

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So I definitely have.

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And one session that was particularly special

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was a surrogate maternity session.

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So my friend was a surrogate mother for a couple.

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And we did a maternity shoot with the pregnant mom

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and the bio parents behind with her.

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And that was just really special.

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That was something that just almost felt like another level.

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You know, it's like, am I even doing photography

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at this point?

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Like, this is incredible.

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It's so meaningful and special to them.

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But I've had a lot of sessions that had a lot of meaning.

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And yeah, it's just been an incredible experience

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to be so close to people's lives.

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I like to say that I get, now this is more concerning

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than the weddings often, but I'll say I get a front row seat

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at the best day of people's lives.

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And that does apply to other things too.

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Big milestones to life.

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Yeah, that's huge.

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And like you mentioned too,

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there's the reality of being there at the child's birth.

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Yeah.

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You know, again, best day of people's lives.

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I mean, showcasing their hobbies.

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Like we're looking at it in the screen right now,

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the football player, the golfer that's multifaceted

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in terms of their interests.

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That's so neat how you're able to incorporate all of that

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and create these visions that people may not even have

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for themselves before they talk to you.

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Sometimes they don't know it.

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They don't know any better until they get to talking to me

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and I start to open up their mind to the possibilities

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that we could, what we could do in front of the camera.

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I had a meeting one time with a 15 year old girl.

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It was like a keen scene at a session.

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And that was the planning consultation meeting

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with her and her parents.

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And she had no ideas.

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I was like, okay, well, let's dig into who you are.

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Tell me things you love.

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Movies, entertainment, personality, style, all that stuff.

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And after about 30 minutes, I had so many cool ideas

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that you could see her eyes were lighting up.

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She was like, oh my gosh, like a circus themed photo shoot.

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I would love that.

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I love circus and performance, you know,

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is this all these cool possibilities.

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And we did have an amazing, amazing photo shoot,

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but opening up people's minds to things

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that they hadn't thought of before is really cool.

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That's it. That is awesome.

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It is one of the most empowering feelings too,

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is to capture the essence of somebody else's vision, right?

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By painting, you know, a potential reality,

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like what you see based on who they are

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and where they're at, by asking great questions, right?

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I think it's a certain skill.

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I was in a, with a social worker that I knew quite well.

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And this little girl comes in who had been working

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as part of, I think it was good Sam,

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but they were working in a bakery or something like that.

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No, they were working in a child center.

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Why?

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Because she had raised all of her younger siblings.

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While I was thinking in my head, like,

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she might hate childcare at this point.

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And I wonder why she missed work.

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So I literally jumped in.

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I was probably 21 years old.

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I jumped in, took over the session for the social worker

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and started asking like, what do you like to do?

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Like, what are you passionate about?

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What makes you happy?

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She's like baking.

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00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:13,720
And next thing you know,

530
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,760
we got her lined with a position in the bakery at H-E-B.

531
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,680
You know, she was super excited, you know, like to go.

532
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,680
And I was like, man, there's a gift to be had.

533
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,960
And there's a shared experience too of feel good

534
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,560
when you're able to help drive that open for people.

535
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,640
And so I absolutely love the power of the work

536
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:34,480
that you're doing.

537
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,980
And I wish we had all the examples ready to showcase.

538
00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:37,820
All.

539
00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:39,480
I have so many photos.

540
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,320
Right.

541
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,140
And it would make it more powerful.

542
00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:42,480
So we've done our best guys.

543
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,720
Those of you listening,

544
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,840
go to the action steps on the website

545
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,100
and take a look at Daniel Rose photography.

546
00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:52,680
In fact, it's a, it is Danielbrophoto.com.

547
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,660
You can look at it while we talk.

548
00:20:53,660 --> 00:20:56,120
So what's your vision for you, Daniel?

549
00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:58,080
What do you see for yourself on the horizon?

550
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,840
For myself personally, or as a photographer?

551
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:01,680
Either one.

552
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,160
So yeah, personally, I want to be a dad

553
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,680
that is there for my kids,

554
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,280
which I'm mostly able to do on a new level

555
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,480
because I'm self-employed, you know,

556
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,580
I'm making my schedule,

557
00:21:11,580 --> 00:21:14,380
but I want to be able to provide well for my family

558
00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:15,920
by using the skills that God's given me

559
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,840
and the skills that I've nurtured and grown.

560
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,440
You know, I had this crazy idea

561
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,320
that I could make a lot of money

562
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,000
doing something that I also enjoy.

563
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,080
Yes.

564
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,140
That's not a reality for a lot of people, unfortunately,

565
00:21:27,140 --> 00:21:30,280
but I'm working towards making that

566
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,820
a more of a reality for myself.

567
00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:34,680
And yeah, that's my goal personally,

568
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,720
is to do what I love and be there for my kids

569
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,320
and raise little world changers, you know?

570
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,720
We need more of those.

571
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,220
That's so cool to raise little world changers.

572
00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:45,240
I love that.

573
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,640
And you talk about being in a route to that reality.

574
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,000
And to me, you know, I see the quality of your work

575
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,880
and I'm like, oh dude, you're like beyond the route.

576
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,280
You know, you're about to cross that finish line,

577
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,120
you know, of being able to make that happen.

578
00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:03,240
But at the same time, moving from the hyperbolic world

579
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,120
to the reality that business is hard.

580
00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:06,900
I mean, there's a lot of components to that.

581
00:22:06,900 --> 00:22:09,360
So I appreciate your reverence for the reality

582
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:13,360
that there's more to do to be able to sustain and build that.

583
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:16,160
And while I'm grateful for the four hour work week

584
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,660
and the lessons that it taught,

585
00:22:17,660 --> 00:22:21,340
especially in relation to becoming part of the new rich,

586
00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:25,160
those who are able to do what they love while working,

587
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,580
I've never been a big fan of the concept

588
00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:30,640
of a four hour of work per week,

589
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,220
especially since Tim Ferriss works far more than four hours.

590
00:22:33,220 --> 00:22:36,260
He posts on LinkedIn four hours per week,

591
00:22:36,260 --> 00:22:37,900
let alone the rest of the conferences

592
00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:39,740
he participates in and does.

593
00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:43,720
But you talk about it from the standpoint

594
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,320
of there's more to do.

595
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,960
Do you feel like providing for your family

596
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,840
means becoming the next Jeff Bezos

597
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,760
and having to have billions of dollars per child?

598
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,640
Or do you feel like there's a balance

599
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,640
between world conquering production as a photographer

600
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:09,640
and maybe there's the other side.

601
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,580
What if you were just a dad

602
00:23:12,580 --> 00:23:15,460
who didn't make a massive name for yourself,

603
00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:19,300
focused on your family and making those little world changers

604
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:23,580
and made it $100,000 per year salary

605
00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:26,580
and had your means taken care of?

606
00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:30,000
What strikes success in your opinion?

607
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,700
I would call that man rich.

608
00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:32,800
If he has what he needs

609
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,820
and has kids with good heads on their shoulders

610
00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:36,820
and has a strong marriage, he's rich.

611
00:23:36,820 --> 00:23:38,680
It's not, I don't want it to sit in your bank account.

612
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,080
It's the quality, not the quantity.

613
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,100
So that's kind of my goal is,

614
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,260
and I don't know, I don't wanna be the next Jeff Bezos.

615
00:23:44,260 --> 00:23:45,980
I don't wanna be a empire.

616
00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:49,500
At this point, and I can't speak for 25 years in the future,

617
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:50,820
but I don't want to have a brand

618
00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:54,060
that has like a huge empire of other people under me

619
00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:55,460
and this whole expansive thing.

620
00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:57,800
That's not my vision right now.

621
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,500
I just want to have enough for the now

622
00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:02,740
and a little bit for the future

623
00:24:02,740 --> 00:24:04,020
because as you can tell,

624
00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:05,980
things are getting more expensive every year.

625
00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:08,500
So that's a little part of my dynamic there.

626
00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:10,780
My equation is trying to make sure that I can, you know,

627
00:24:10,780 --> 00:24:12,140
afford the next 10 years.

628
00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:15,620
But yeah, I just wanna have enough to have my kids stable

629
00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:16,860
and I don't want billions.

630
00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:18,180
That actually doesn't turn out very well

631
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:19,860
for a lot of people, right?

632
00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:23,820
So that's not a fix for life problems.

633
00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:26,300
It's what's in here and what's in here that can fix things.

634
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:29,100
And I believe that God is a huge element to that as well.

635
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:31,340
So yeah.

636
00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:33,140
For those listening in,

637
00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:36,060
Daniel pointed to his heart and his mind

638
00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:38,700
as those being the elements that matter.

639
00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:42,380
And of course, as you said, God being part of that equation

640
00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:45,640
and the money for me, it's a vehicle.

641
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,060
It's a resource and how we use it depends,

642
00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:51,940
but the more money you have,

643
00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:54,660
it's almost kind of like it's an accelerator for life.

644
00:24:56,260 --> 00:24:59,980
And if you don't know how to control that accelerating power

645
00:24:59,980 --> 00:25:01,900
or the brakes that go along with it,

646
00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:05,860
it can certainly cause massive destruction in our lives.

647
00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:08,700
You know, you can quickly drive a Ferrari into a brick wall

648
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:10,740
much faster than you anticipated.

649
00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:15,540
So it is worth preparing ourselves for those realities.

650
00:25:15,540 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaking of brick walls,

651
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,100
what is the absolute worst leadership experience

652
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:22,700
that you've ever had?

653
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:25,360
I, so I've been doing photography since high school

654
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,200
and it's kind of grown,

655
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,100
but during that journey, I've had various full-time jobs.

656
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:33,620
So I had a job where my boss was scary.

657
00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:35,340
He was intimidating and unpleasant.

658
00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:37,680
When he called you, he started checking your desk,

659
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,340
making sure you were on task,

660
00:25:39,340 --> 00:25:41,060
you know, dotting your I's, crossing your T's.

661
00:25:41,060 --> 00:25:43,300
When he came to the room, you think you're in trouble,

662
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:47,320
that's not healthy and it's toxic and it was awful.

663
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,100
It was stress-inducing when he came in.

664
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:51,400
And after that, I had another boss that was the opposite.

665
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,440
And I was like, when he walks in,

666
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,740
you just assume he's ready to tell a good joke,

667
00:25:55,740 --> 00:25:57,560
just to hang out, to be your friend.

668
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,260
There's still tasks and responsibilities.

669
00:25:59,260 --> 00:26:00,820
Like that's not what I'm talking about,

670
00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:03,540
but he's warm and welcoming

671
00:26:03,540 --> 00:26:05,500
and it's a healthy relationship.

672
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,980
So yeah, that was my worst was just having that boss

673
00:26:08,980 --> 00:26:10,980
when he walked in, you think you're in trouble.

674
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:12,740
And that's not good.

675
00:26:12,740 --> 00:26:15,180
You have a book in there, it's Rich Boss, Poor Boss.

676
00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:17,540
Oh, is that part of the story?

677
00:26:17,540 --> 00:26:19,500
You've heard Rich Dad, Poor Dad.

678
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:21,940
As a book by Robert Kiyosaki,

679
00:26:21,940 --> 00:26:25,780
it sounds like you've got a rich boss and a poor boss,

680
00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:29,260
you know, to learn from, what was he looking at on your desk?

681
00:26:29,260 --> 00:26:30,100
I don't know, I just wanna make sure

682
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:31,500
everything was perfect, you know, scared.

683
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,740
Oh my goodness, that is weird.

684
00:26:34,580 --> 00:26:39,340
Yep, there are, I guess we can call them leaders out there.

685
00:26:39,340 --> 00:26:40,540
There are people like that.

686
00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:42,020
People in control.

687
00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:44,100
They may not be leader, but they are in control.

688
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:46,100
That's true, that's true.

689
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:47,300
They don't only think they have control,

690
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:49,460
but in many cases they are empowered

691
00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:52,120
with control that affects us.

692
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,300
So what's your best leadership experience

693
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:55,900
that you've ever had?

694
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:58,940
I hate to circle back to what we've already said in the past,

695
00:26:58,940 --> 00:27:02,400
but with Jim Landers, he was a great leader

696
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,860
in that he was patient

697
00:27:03,860 --> 00:27:06,180
because I had so many battles in my mind.

698
00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:08,380
You know, Joyce Meyers, the battle of the mind,

699
00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:11,040
I was struggling to get over multiple hills

700
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,100
of psychological doubt and limits that I put on myself

701
00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:17,060
in terms of my business growth and methods

702
00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:18,780
that I could make money through my photography.

703
00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:20,280
But he was patient with me

704
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,060
and he asked those great questions,

705
00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:25,660
those mic drop questions that stuck with me

706
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:27,380
and made me answer them in the right way

707
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:29,340
as I was more honest with myself.

708
00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:33,920
So yeah, he was a great leader in that regard

709
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,600
that he helped me grow in a good way.

710
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,820
My goodness, what were the mic drop questions

711
00:27:40,820 --> 00:27:41,860
that he asked you?

712
00:27:41,860 --> 00:27:42,940
Do you remember any of them?

713
00:27:42,940 --> 00:27:43,780
They're all-

714
00:27:43,780 --> 00:27:45,780
They're all circles that you were going through first.

715
00:27:45,780 --> 00:27:47,780
If you don't mind, if they weren't too personal,

716
00:27:47,780 --> 00:27:50,380
but other visionaries might be feeling the same way.

717
00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:51,300
They might be watching and be like,

718
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:54,060
man, he overcame it, I wanna overcome it.

719
00:27:54,060 --> 00:27:54,900
What does that look like?

720
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:56,820
You know, I don't remember the specific questions.

721
00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:58,620
There are more things that are burned in my subconscious

722
00:27:58,620 --> 00:28:01,740
and I have memories of our talks.

723
00:28:01,740 --> 00:28:04,220
We would do like, I think maybe a weekly phone call

724
00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:05,460
and some other back and forth.

725
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:07,260
But I remember these talks he would have

726
00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:08,940
where he would ask me a question like,

727
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:11,180
how much is an hour of your life worth?

728
00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:13,060
I'm like, I don't know.

729
00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:15,400
And then, you know, how much money do you need to survive?

730
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,220
You need to do math to get that answer.

731
00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:18,140
And you have to be honest

732
00:28:18,140 --> 00:28:20,340
and include things you may not wanna include.

733
00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:21,940
And then you get a big number like, oh my gosh,

734
00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:23,380
I have to have this number met, you know,

735
00:28:23,380 --> 00:28:24,460
at least to survive.

736
00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:27,300
So things along those lines, not those exact questions,

737
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:31,860
but it was things that you have to ask yourself before,

738
00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:34,060
maybe before opening a business would be good.

739
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:35,580
Or if you're too late or you started,

740
00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:37,580
things you need to answer quick to stay afloat

741
00:28:37,580 --> 00:28:40,060
and not be wasting your time.

742
00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:41,180
These are, they're huge.

743
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:43,220
There are many, many entrepreneurs.

744
00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:45,500
And I mean, I consult for a living.

745
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:47,300
It's a large part of what I do.

746
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:50,040
And it is terrifying.

747
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,540
How few entrepreneurs know those types of answers

748
00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:55,460
and they are essential.

749
00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:59,460
And it's terrifying until you just hear it all the time.

750
00:28:59,460 --> 00:29:00,780
You're like, okay, well,

751
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:02,420
people are finding a way to survive.

752
00:29:02,420 --> 00:29:07,100
But I think a lot of people assume that when you look at

753
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:09,320
and assess the worst case scenario,

754
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,860
that you become a self-fulfilling prophecy

755
00:29:11,860 --> 00:29:13,300
of that worst case scenario,

756
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:15,740
when in fact that's not the case.

757
00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:18,020
That's not how a self-fulfilling prophecy works.

758
00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:20,220
When you have your worst case scenario planned out,

759
00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:23,180
but you've also prepared out your best case scenario

760
00:29:23,180 --> 00:29:25,820
and you hit your middle ground in between,

761
00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:28,300
it can often give you a sense of hope

762
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:30,700
and a sense of purpose that, okay,

763
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:33,460
I was able to accomplish this and then some,

764
00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:35,700
and I'm working towards that healthy goal

765
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:37,620
of what I want in the future moving forward.

766
00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:42,260
So getting a, having a firm relationship

767
00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:45,140
with your existence, your current existence,

768
00:29:45,140 --> 00:29:48,860
your reality is a massive step up.

769
00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:51,540
And that's cool that Jim Lander's helped you figure that out.

770
00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:54,380
Is there any other, what was holding you back

771
00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:57,620
from wanting to move into your photography full time

772
00:29:57,620 --> 00:29:59,980
and accept the skillset that you had

773
00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:01,780
as something people would value?

774
00:30:01,780 --> 00:30:06,500
It was generally regarding prices and value of what I did.

775
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:09,540
He had this lofty vision, to me it was lofty at the time,

776
00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:11,780
that you can make thousands,

777
00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:13,900
not just make thousands off of a photo shoot or wedding,

778
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:15,900
but that it's actually worth that.

779
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:17,300
And I almost disagreed.

780
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,620
I was like, oh, I could never charge over $500

781
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:20,460
for a family photo shoot.

782
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:22,660
Like that's, no one's gonna pay that, no one.

783
00:30:22,660 --> 00:30:23,480
But I was wrong.

784
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,860
And he had ways of proving me wrong and backing it up.

785
00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:28,740
It wasn't his opinion, it was his experience

786
00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:30,300
and his knowledge over years of doing this

787
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:33,100
and coaching others who had become very successful.

788
00:30:34,340 --> 00:30:39,340
And the price jump is a big thing for all entrepreneurs.

789
00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:40,820
Like how much do I charge?

790
00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:42,860
There's competition, there's my experience,

791
00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:43,780
maybe isn't that much.

792
00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:45,300
I can't charge more than this level

793
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:46,900
and no one's gonna ever hire me.

794
00:30:48,220 --> 00:30:49,940
It's a big battle of the mind

795
00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:52,220
and your self-worth, your self-value,

796
00:30:52,220 --> 00:30:54,500
the vision you have for your service, whatever that is.

797
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:55,980
How much is it really worth?

798
00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:57,540
Well, people pay all kinds of numbers

799
00:30:57,540 --> 00:30:59,600
for all kinds of things around the world.

800
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,700
Maybe it's just you're in the wrong audience.

801
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:04,060
It's not that you're not good enough.

802
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:05,540
It's the audience you are reaching

803
00:31:05,540 --> 00:31:10,140
or maybe stuck in doesn't value what you're doing enough.

804
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:11,820
Good for him for hitting that point.

805
00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:13,940
That is a massive warning.

806
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:16,900
Well, it's again, it's hard for you

807
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:18,820
because it's for a number of reasons,

808
00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:20,180
but we're talking about the difference

809
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:22,900
between the ideal client,

810
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,260
which is what people think they talk about

811
00:31:25,260 --> 00:31:28,300
and what I call the typical client.

812
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:33,300
And people get so obsessed with the typical client reality

813
00:31:33,940 --> 00:31:35,660
that they face on the daily basis

814
00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:38,140
because they're talking to them so often,

815
00:31:38,140 --> 00:31:41,660
they forget the existence of their ideal client.

816
00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:44,020
And they forget to use a language associated

817
00:31:44,020 --> 00:31:45,020
with the ideal client.

818
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:48,420
So what happens is you talk to 99 typical clients,

819
00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:50,300
people, oh, I would never pay for that photography.

820
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:51,780
Oh, I would never, you know, oh my gosh,

821
00:31:51,780 --> 00:31:53,260
someday when I'm rich, I'll pay for that.

822
00:31:53,260 --> 00:31:54,540
But not right now, Daniel.

823
00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:59,220
And oh, and you're hearing all those nos so often

824
00:31:59,220 --> 00:32:01,660
from people who aren't qualified.

825
00:32:01,660 --> 00:32:02,700
They're not in the moment.

826
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:05,100
There is only 5% of your market at the time

827
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,460
who is ready to buy.

828
00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:09,540
And so you hear 95% of people say no.

829
00:32:09,540 --> 00:32:12,860
And then when you get to the 96th person,

830
00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:14,580
what often happens is, oh, I know,

831
00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:17,140
you don't want it just like everybody else.

832
00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:20,420
And the ideal client goes, oh, with that attitude,

833
00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:21,260
you're right.

834
00:32:21,260 --> 00:32:22,100
Yeah.

835
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:22,940
I don't want it.

836
00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:23,780
Oh, I mean, oh, thank you.

837
00:32:23,780 --> 00:32:24,620
Yeah, I'll take more information

838
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:26,860
and look for somebody who exudes hope.

839
00:32:26,860 --> 00:32:28,740
Oh, I mean, oh, and who's ready to talk to me

840
00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:30,140
at a higher level.

841
00:32:30,140 --> 00:32:33,300
That is a tremendous challenge for all visionaries

842
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,540
and entrepreneurs out there is to stay in the mindset

843
00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:39,940
that the very next conversation,

844
00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:43,340
every single conversation is a potential ideal client,

845
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:46,980
but I cannot succumb to talking to ideal clients

846
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:50,420
with typical client behaviors

847
00:32:50,420 --> 00:32:53,340
ingrained in my own communication patterns.

848
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:54,540
What are your thoughts on that?

849
00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:57,220
You've had some experience with this for a couple of years.

850
00:32:57,220 --> 00:32:58,060
Where would you take that?

851
00:32:58,060 --> 00:32:58,900
What have you seen?

852
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:01,140
What can you shed light on for the audience?

853
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:02,660
Yeah, definitely.

854
00:33:02,660 --> 00:33:05,340
I've come to a point where when someone doesn't,

855
00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:07,140
I don't wanna say can't afford me,

856
00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:09,020
but they don't want to afford me, right?

857
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:10,860
That's the case for most people, not all.

858
00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:13,780
But for those people who don't want to afford me

859
00:33:13,780 --> 00:33:17,420
or can't find a way to, to not get hurt about that

860
00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:20,020
and then try to make amends and try to fix things

861
00:33:20,020 --> 00:33:22,060
and make nice like, well, I'll do it for this much.

862
00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:22,900
How about for this much?

863
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:24,620
You know, I'll lower my price.

864
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:28,260
I don't, I no longer feel the urge to do that at all.

865
00:33:28,260 --> 00:33:30,500
I feel empathy for them

866
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:32,340
because there's a lot of things I can't afford

867
00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:33,820
and I also can't afford myself.

868
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:35,260
That's another hard lesson I learned from Jim

869
00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:36,700
is if you can't afford yourself,

870
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:37,540
you're doing all right.

871
00:33:37,540 --> 00:33:39,660
You shouldn't be able to afford yourself.

872
00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:42,500
That's a goal as I wanna reach that next level.

873
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:45,420
But yeah, when someone can't afford me

874
00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:48,020
and doesn't want to, I don't get but hurt about it.

875
00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:50,700
I move on and I say, okay, well, if anything changes,

876
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:51,540
let me know.

877
00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:53,000
Any questions you have, just write me anytime.

878
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,580
You know, I'm not gonna judge them all of a sudden.

879
00:33:54,580 --> 00:33:56,980
I don't wanna make them feel bad about their circumstance

880
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:59,420
because I've been in circumstances I can't control

881
00:33:59,420 --> 00:34:01,280
and it hurt, you know?

882
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,300
So I leave them and I'm polite to them

883
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,140
and professional still and I move on.

884
00:34:05,140 --> 00:34:06,900
I move on to the next person.

885
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,060
Instead of wasting my time compromising,

886
00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:12,360
I'm gonna use that time with someone who values me.

887
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,380
Keep my weekends open.

888
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:15,060
Instead of booking cheap stuff,

889
00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:17,040
I'm gonna keep my weekends open for the big stuff

890
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,820
because that's what I need to be booking.

891
00:34:18,820 --> 00:34:21,820
I need to make myself available for the future that I want.

892
00:34:21,820 --> 00:34:22,660
That's right.

893
00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:25,700
And it's hard, but it all comes back to your view

894
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:27,140
of yourself, your self-worth

895
00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:30,060
and your vision for what you do.

896
00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:31,100
Absolutely.

897
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:33,020
There's a balance to be had on this too.

898
00:34:33,020 --> 00:34:35,820
Visionary is entrepreneurs looking to scale exponentially.

899
00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:39,180
If you have this skillset that Daniel Grove has,

900
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:42,020
one that is just like unheard of on the market

901
00:34:42,020 --> 00:34:45,180
where you can visually see the value of what's there,

902
00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:47,260
then you also have the opportunity to tap into

903
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:49,660
a certain level of free service.

904
00:34:49,660 --> 00:34:52,220
So I'm gonna go against the grain here with what you said

905
00:34:52,220 --> 00:34:55,300
because there's price dropping,

906
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,860
but there's also recognizing a strategic relationship

907
00:34:57,860 --> 00:34:59,040
and there's a difference there.

908
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,300
So for instance, Anthony Edwards right now

909
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:04,140
is becoming the new face of the NBA.

910
00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:06,420
The playoffs are on and everybody's talking about him

911
00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:07,580
like he's Michael Jordan.

912
00:35:07,580 --> 00:35:09,580
He's saying all the right things too

913
00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:11,420
to win the media's attention in the right ways

914
00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:12,580
and saying, don't compare me to him.

915
00:35:12,580 --> 00:35:13,900
He's a legend, he's the best.

916
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:17,380
And it's creating this incredible PR storm

917
00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:19,780
around him and LeBron James.

918
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:21,560
And how LeBron James has handled those questions

919
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,400
versus him, et cetera.

920
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,180
And there's this drama going on.

921
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:28,140
But if Anthony Edwards wanted the photo from you,

922
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,820
wanted you to be that photographer

923
00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:34,060
and you decide or you propose to him,

924
00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:36,260
hey, I'll do this photo shoot for you,

925
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,460
pro bono, free of charge.

926
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:43,140
Do you see the value in what would happen

927
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:46,760
if you had that one session move forward?

928
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,640
Yeah, so yes and no.

929
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,380
I am not a sports guy.

930
00:35:50,380 --> 00:35:54,580
So I don't have insight into his history and his reach.

931
00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:56,420
But I was-

932
00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:57,460
You know Michael Jordan is, right?

933
00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:59,540
Yeah, you see the new Michael Jordan?

934
00:35:59,540 --> 00:36:01,220
He's a-

935
00:36:01,220 --> 00:36:05,780
So if I believe with honesty

936
00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:07,980
that me doing this work for him

937
00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:10,100
is going to get me the work that I want,

938
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:11,660
then I'll go forwards with it.

939
00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:13,660
But it's really hard to make that judgment

940
00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:15,180
unless I know someone.

941
00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:17,100
And maybe if we already have a relationship,

942
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:20,580
there's more likelihood that that'll work out.

943
00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:21,700
That I'll actually benefit from it.

944
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:24,020
I've done a lot of pro bono stuff.

945
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:26,540
Half of it is for fun and for learning on my own behalf.

946
00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:28,460
And the other half is because I made promises

947
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:29,660
that never happened.

948
00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:34,660
I've shot popular semi-famous influencer people

949
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:36,660
that have big numbers on their social media.

950
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:40,500
But their reach didn't help me.

951
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:41,740
What I did for them didn't help me.

952
00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:42,740
I have had some that did help me.

953
00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:45,140
So I'm not like completely callous to working for-

954
00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:46,060
I love what you said.

955
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:48,020
You're hitting super important highlights.

956
00:36:48,020 --> 00:36:50,180
You said semi-famous.

957
00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:52,740
And you said people who, you know,

958
00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:55,380
if you're not on the Michael Jordan level.

959
00:36:55,380 --> 00:37:00,380
And if they are going to bury what you did,

960
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:04,180
if they're not a openly grateful individual

961
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:05,860
that expresses gratitude,

962
00:37:05,860 --> 00:37:07,420
you should take that as a sign

963
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:09,580
that you're not gonna get the endorsements

964
00:37:09,580 --> 00:37:10,860
that you think you're going to get.

965
00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:11,980
There are levels.

966
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:14,500
There are strategic levels to pay attention to

967
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:16,340
in relation to this concept.

968
00:37:16,340 --> 00:37:18,180
And you don't have to give it for free.

969
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:20,180
Most people like that are going to end up

970
00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:21,820
paying you for it anyway.

971
00:37:21,820 --> 00:37:25,700
Especially those who have that gratitude mindset.

972
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:27,460
They're not just going to take advantage of you.

973
00:37:27,460 --> 00:37:28,300
Go ahead.

974
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:31,460
I've worked with nobodies that did so much more for me

975
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:33,180
than the somebodies.

976
00:37:33,180 --> 00:37:34,860
So many time, time and time again.

977
00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:37,180
And in the photography world, there's a big,

978
00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:38,020
I don't wanna say debate,

979
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:39,380
but it is definitely a topic of discussion

980
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:42,220
you see on all the Facebook groups is TFP.

981
00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:44,860
It stands for trade for photo, time for portfolio.

982
00:37:44,860 --> 00:37:47,260
It essentially means photographer and model

983
00:37:47,260 --> 00:37:49,900
are giving each other the services for free.

984
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:51,340
And they both benefit.

985
00:37:51,340 --> 00:37:52,260
That's the key.

986
00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:53,180
If you're not benefiting,

987
00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:54,860
if you're not both benefiting from it,

988
00:37:54,860 --> 00:37:56,060
then don't waste your time.

989
00:37:56,060 --> 00:37:57,780
But if you will benefit from shooting a model

990
00:37:57,780 --> 00:37:59,500
you've never shot before or you're new,

991
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:00,540
and this is a great chance to learn

992
00:38:00,540 --> 00:38:02,660
with no risk of money on the table,

993
00:38:02,660 --> 00:38:03,500
and they're maybe new,

994
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:05,220
they wouldn't learn posing and working with stuff,

995
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:06,060
then it's great.

996
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:08,340
Both people benefit and we're both happy.

997
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:11,140
But if it's not mutual beneficial,

998
00:38:11,140 --> 00:38:14,940
it's kind of a, it might be seen as a waste of time.

999
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:15,820
Right, absolutely.

1000
00:38:15,820 --> 00:38:17,500
And again, there's that distinguishment.

1001
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:21,420
We love to put people on the A-list pedestal

1002
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:22,980
that don't deserve to be there.

1003
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:26,140
You know, and if I don't say the name to you,

1004
00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:28,020
if you don't recognize the name,

1005
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:29,980
then they're not A-list in my opinion.

1006
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:31,580
And that's not a popular belief, right?

1007
00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:33,620
If you're talking about somebody local

1008
00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:35,820
who has a great, you know, influence

1009
00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:37,460
and they wanna be seen as an A-lister,

1010
00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:39,780
the last thing you wanna do is call them a B-lister.

1011
00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:42,100
They can still hurt your life and hose you.

1012
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:46,540
My point with that is the A-listers that I've worked with,

1013
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:49,700
the people that are, or the B-listers that I've worked with

1014
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:52,020
that are on their way to A-list,

1015
00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:54,140
they don't take advantage of people.

1016
00:38:54,140 --> 00:38:56,140
They're very conscious of their reputation.

1017
00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:58,420
They're very conscious of those that they serve.

1018
00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:01,580
Anybody who doesn't is on the fast track

1019
00:39:01,580 --> 00:39:04,140
to being not only a B, C, D, and F-lister,

1020
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:07,900
but you know, irrelevant or a mark

1021
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,700
in the history books of who not to be like.

1022
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:13,820
Those types of people, they're fairly common.

1023
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:16,180
There's more pretenders in the market

1024
00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:18,220
than there are contenders, as my buddy,

1025
00:39:18,220 --> 00:39:20,020
Caesar Torres would say.

1026
00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:20,860
Big fan of that quote.

1027
00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:23,540
So thank you for derailing a little bit with me on to that.

1028
00:39:23,540 --> 00:39:25,660
We're gonna move into another,

1029
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:26,780
really the most powerful lesson.

1030
00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:28,940
So what is, out of all of your experiences,

1031
00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:31,660
if this was the last chance to share

1032
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:32,860
a powerful lesson in the audience,

1033
00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:35,100
what powerful lesson can other visionaries

1034
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:37,460
learn from your experience, Daniel?

1035
00:39:37,460 --> 00:39:40,740
Is to find that thing you can offer the world

1036
00:39:40,740 --> 00:39:42,340
that you enjoy doing.

1037
00:39:42,340 --> 00:39:47,340
And it's sort of, you may be seeing it as a niche service,

1038
00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:49,980
but I think that the most important thing you can do

1039
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:53,300
as a business owner, and the best lesson that I've learned,

1040
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:55,580
is to find what I'm passionate about,

1041
00:39:55,580 --> 00:39:57,900
and what I can do for the rest of my life

1042
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:00,060
if I won the lottery and didn't need to work ever again.

1043
00:40:00,060 --> 00:40:03,260
Another thing Jim Landers, Mike dropped on me,

1044
00:40:03,260 --> 00:40:05,580
was if you won the lottery and didn't ever have to work

1045
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:06,900
again after that for the rest of your life,

1046
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,020
what would you do with all that time?

1047
00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:11,500
And that's the thing you enjoy most and are passionate about.

1048
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,140
And for me, that would still be photography and creating art.

1049
00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:17,820
So that's what I'm doing, and that's what I'm pursuing

1050
00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:19,980
and getting the best at, is doing that thing

1051
00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:22,460
that I am passionate about, that I've been gifted to do,

1052
00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:25,860
and that I have the platform to do right now.

1053
00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:27,860
I love that.

1054
00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:30,060
So find that thing that you offer the world

1055
00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:33,460
that you enjoy doing, what you're passionate about,

1056
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:37,380
would do even if you didn't have to work, and do that.

1057
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:38,220
Yeah.

1058
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:39,300
Right, that's-

1059
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:40,460
Find ways to stand out.

1060
00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:42,100
There's other people that will do the unique thing

1061
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:42,940
that you do.

1062
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:44,300
Nothing's that unique anymore.

1063
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,540
With this age of information and people are learning

1064
00:40:46,540 --> 00:40:48,140
and doing amazing things around the world,

1065
00:40:48,140 --> 00:40:49,620
there's not a whole lot of new stuff out there,

1066
00:40:49,620 --> 00:40:50,460
and that's all right.

1067
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:53,700
But there's still maybe 5% that do the unique thing

1068
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:56,060
that you do, but you need to find ways to stand out,

1069
00:40:56,060 --> 00:40:57,940
at least stand out locally so that people see you

1070
00:40:57,940 --> 00:41:00,020
as the expert in that thing.

1071
00:41:00,020 --> 00:41:02,420
And they'll willingly put down the big bucks

1072
00:41:02,420 --> 00:41:05,580
or whatever you require to do that for them.

1073
00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:06,420
Absolutely.

1074
00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:08,540
Well, we're talking a little bit now about the difference

1075
00:41:08,540 --> 00:41:10,860
between the red ocean and the blue ocean.

1076
00:41:10,860 --> 00:41:12,660
For those of you who've been to business school

1077
00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:14,220
or had the basic business concepts,

1078
00:41:14,220 --> 00:41:17,260
red oceans are shark-infested territories

1079
00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:18,100
where blood's in the water

1080
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:20,740
because everybody's a photographer and does that.

1081
00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:24,220
Then there's the blue ocean of nobody's there,

1082
00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:25,820
so create a new market,

1083
00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:28,660
and you'll have the irresistible ocean everybody wants.

1084
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:30,740
Well, there's partial truth to that.

1085
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:33,740
You also have to market an ocean that nobody's heard of,

1086
00:41:33,740 --> 00:41:35,380
and nobody wants to be the first to go to.

1087
00:41:35,380 --> 00:41:36,780
So there's a different challenge.

1088
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:40,460
But when you rise above in the red ocean,

1089
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:42,500
when you're the provider who stands out,

1090
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:45,100
you actually have a far more lucrative opportunity

1091
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:47,020
than if you just try to go create a new ocean

1092
00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:48,620
that nobody's aware of.

1093
00:41:48,620 --> 00:41:52,740
So there's ways to look at this on both sides.

1094
00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:56,180
There's advantages, there's pros and cons, assessing it,

1095
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:57,940
having mentors who help you assess it,

1096
00:41:57,940 --> 00:42:00,060
joining Facebook groups, as Daniel mentioned,

1097
00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:02,540
all important aspects to understand what's right for you.

1098
00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:05,940
But I do, and I do love the concept of

1099
00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:08,500
find what you love to do, figure out what that looks like.

1100
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,100
That's why we created passionpro.org.

1101
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:12,380
As well, it's a free resource

1102
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:13,900
to help people explore their passions

1103
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:16,540
and see if they're truly off to the races,

1104
00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:19,460
building what they are aligned with and love.

1105
00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:21,420
And as I mentioned, that's a free resource,

1106
00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:23,260
so feel free to use it, everybody.

1107
00:42:23,260 --> 00:42:25,660
Let's walk through a little bit more of these,

1108
00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:28,100
the aspects of using the photos and memories

1109
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:30,620
to transform your future.

1110
00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:32,620
When I say that, I mean, I wrote that

1111
00:42:32,620 --> 00:42:35,820
hoping that it aligned with where you're going,

1112
00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:39,020
do you believe, Daniel, that photos and memories

1113
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:40,900
can transform a future?

1114
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:42,780
For sure, yeah.

1115
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:45,420
On the client side, the photos are very important.

1116
00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:46,500
They're a very important service.

1117
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:47,820
They have a lot of value.

1118
00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:49,340
It's not just a few pictures.

1119
00:42:49,340 --> 00:42:51,780
It's not just a JPEG file on my hard drive.

1120
00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:53,300
But those are memories and emotions

1121
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:54,580
that are frozen forever.

1122
00:42:54,580 --> 00:42:55,740
Memory is not reliable.

1123
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,260
Even in court, you know, memory, eye witnesses

1124
00:42:58,260 --> 00:43:01,220
and things are becoming less useful

1125
00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:02,780
because memory changes and shifts.

1126
00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:03,900
And every time we remember,

1127
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:05,540
we're remembering the last time we remembered,

1128
00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:07,340
which is remembering the last time we remembered.

1129
00:43:07,340 --> 00:43:09,580
And it's not steadfast.

1130
00:43:09,580 --> 00:43:12,380
And so the art of photography and videography

1131
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:14,300
is a unique way to freeze that for sure.

1132
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,100
And it won't change, you know?

1133
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:17,740
Not the way memory changes.

1134
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:19,820
So I see it as a very important thing

1135
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:20,740
that helps people's futures.

1136
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:22,900
It helps them look back and remember where they've been,

1137
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:24,300
you know, with kids.

1138
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:25,500
They grow up so fast.

1139
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:28,500
I have five of them and they are all little time machines

1140
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:30,180
making time fly by.

1141
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:32,180
But being able to freeze their childhood

1142
00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:33,620
or different stages of their infancy

1143
00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:35,900
and their baby pictures, like that's important.

1144
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:38,540
And it also, the dark side of this

1145
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:40,820
is that it serves a really special purpose

1146
00:43:40,820 --> 00:43:42,660
when someone is not with us anymore.

1147
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:44,980
And I can't tell you how many times I've had people,

1148
00:43:44,980 --> 00:43:46,300
long time clients reach out and say,

1149
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:48,580
hey, my dad passed away

1150
00:43:48,580 --> 00:43:51,540
and the last photo you got was at our wedding.

1151
00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:52,380
So thank you for that.

1152
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:55,300
And those types of things are like, oh, gut punch.

1153
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:57,980
But it reminds you that what I'm doing is legit,

1154
00:43:57,980 --> 00:44:00,380
it's important and it's a service that is valuable.

1155
00:44:00,380 --> 00:44:01,820
It's not just a cool American thing

1156
00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:03,740
to have photo shoots done every year.

1157
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:05,620
Well, it definitely, that is definitely a societal thing.

1158
00:44:05,620 --> 00:44:09,020
But beyond that, it's important and serves a purpose.

1159
00:44:09,020 --> 00:44:09,860
It's big.

1160
00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:11,700
It can transform the future.

1161
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:13,820
I would even say for good and for bad

1162
00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:15,140
or for light and for dark.

1163
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:18,860
I mean, like for instance, the lack of the photos,

1164
00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:20,700
you know, can create a bit of darkness

1165
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:24,140
and loss of like, did these things really happen?

1166
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:25,820
Did these events really matter?

1167
00:44:25,820 --> 00:44:27,260
Did anybody care about me

1168
00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:28,820
when I was going through that experience?

1169
00:44:28,820 --> 00:44:30,100
So capturing it,

1170
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:31,940
whether you have a professional photographer

1171
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:34,780
or you are a self photographer,

1172
00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:38,700
remembering that what you're capturing is telling a story

1173
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:42,780
and also then re-emphasizing that story over time.

1174
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:44,900
When I was in Uruguay, I had a tough time.

1175
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:46,380
I mean, it was a very hard two years.

1176
00:44:46,380 --> 00:44:48,060
I loved that experience.

1177
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:50,300
Thank goodness I recorded a lot of the positivity,

1178
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:52,460
but I did take a few pictures of myself,

1179
00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:54,780
few selfies, crying at my desk.

1180
00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:57,020
Like it was miserable.

1181
00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:59,180
I was, I lost 45 pounds.

1182
00:44:59,180 --> 00:45:00,900
I'd gone to the hospital several times.

1183
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:02,140
They're about to shit me out of the country

1184
00:45:02,140 --> 00:45:04,420
because of how bad my health was.

1185
00:45:04,420 --> 00:45:09,420
And if I had chosen to focus the story

1186
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:12,260
and the memory of that experience

1187
00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:16,340
only around those dynamics, right, of the negative,

1188
00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:19,300
then you're right, 15, 20 years later,

1189
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,540
it would be very easy to lose sight

1190
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:24,340
of all the good that did happen at the same time.

1191
00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:27,820
So what else would you recommend in terms of,

1192
00:45:27,820 --> 00:45:30,460
we got, do you know a Razor Ramon by chance?

1193
00:45:31,460 --> 00:45:32,300
No?

1194
00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:33,140
Okay.

1195
00:45:33,140 --> 00:45:33,980
It's a cool name.

1196
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:34,820
How do I know him?

1197
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:35,700
It is a cool name.

1198
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:37,340
We got a guest that came in

1199
00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:40,020
and we're gonna experiment a little bit.

1200
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:42,220
So I'm gonna bring Razor on with us real quick.

1201
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:43,500
Razor, can you hear us?

1202
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:46,460
Say hello.

1203
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:48,540
He can't hear us.

1204
00:45:48,540 --> 00:45:49,380
Awesome.

1205
00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:51,980
Razor Ramon.

1206
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:53,900
Are you a big fan of photography?

1207
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:55,780
Razor Ramon?

1208
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:57,540
Well, we took an experiment.

1209
00:45:57,540 --> 00:46:00,740
We'll use it as our inside joke for the rest of our lives.

1210
00:46:00,740 --> 00:46:02,660
We love you Razor, we wish you best.

1211
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:07,700
But it, and again, what's cool about this,

1212
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:09,940
even that memory right there, right?

1213
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:13,140
How we choose to amplify that reality of like,

1214
00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:14,980
well, we took a shot in the dark.

1215
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:15,940
Can we learn from it?

1216
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:17,580
Can we laugh about it?

1217
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:21,540
It becomes an opportunity for you to,

1218
00:46:21,540 --> 00:46:25,540
choose how do you allow these experiences in your life

1219
00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:27,020
to affect your future?

1220
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:28,340
The choice is yours.

1221
00:46:28,340 --> 00:46:30,900
So I highly recommend hiring somebody like Daniel Groh,

1222
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:35,060
DanielGrohPhoto.com, hiring Daniel Groh for photography

1223
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:37,180
and building these types of images.

1224
00:46:37,180 --> 00:46:40,300
If you got a kid that's struggling with their,

1225
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:44,100
within securities, this is an opportunity

1226
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:46,460
to help them find a balance of like,

1227
00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:48,380
why they're special and valuable to you.

1228
00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:51,740
Help them find a balance of like, why they're special

1229
00:46:51,740 --> 00:46:53,140
and valuable to the world.

1230
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:56,060
And you just can't put a price on that.

1231
00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:59,940
I've seen that boost in confidence in that almost like,

1232
00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:03,340
form of artistic medication for kids and teenagers

1233
00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:06,900
that this type of work has been really influential

1234
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:08,820
in their adolescence, you know, growing up

1235
00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:11,220
and seeing themselves in a new light,

1236
00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:13,420
not being embarrassed about that thing they're into,

1237
00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:16,300
their hobby, their nerdy thing, their cosplay, whatever.

1238
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:18,900
Girls seeing themselves as beautiful and powerful

1239
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:22,500
and, you know, as an individual that has value.

1240
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:24,340
Photosheets do give someone worth.

1241
00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:27,660
The fact that I would do all that I do to capture photos

1242
00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:29,540
and the fact that their parents or loved one

1243
00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:30,980
would hire me and go out of the way

1244
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:32,740
to plan this whole thing for them,

1245
00:47:32,740 --> 00:47:35,140
that's really impactful for young people.

1246
00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:35,980
That's amazing.

1247
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:36,820
I love it.

1248
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:39,380
I love what you do, man.

1249
00:47:39,380 --> 00:47:42,980
Visionaries listening in, bringing your vision to life

1250
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:45,420
in the form of a photo, in the form of a design

1251
00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:48,540
is one of the most powerful things that you can do as well.

1252
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:50,300
The same thing happened when we created the logo

1253
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:52,300
for First Class Business years ago.

1254
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:54,940
Me and a team on Fiverr created that logo.

1255
00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:57,860
As it came to fruition, it empowered me to realize,

1256
00:47:57,860 --> 00:48:00,780
wow, I really can bring this thing to life.

1257
00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:03,220
This is really the direction I want to go.

1258
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:05,780
And it has led to so many amazing opportunities

1259
00:48:05,780 --> 00:48:09,100
for really serving people at a new level

1260
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:12,020
because it's empowered me to say, you know what?

1261
00:48:12,020 --> 00:48:13,260
I'm onto something here.

1262
00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:15,620
I'm onto something that matters and will help people.

1263
00:48:15,620 --> 00:48:19,820
And I wouldn't have had this show without that experience

1264
00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:21,620
building confidence for me along the way

1265
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:26,620
as dumb as a caricature of a hero might seem

1266
00:48:26,660 --> 00:48:30,580
or as misplaced as people assume that hero is me.

1267
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:31,780
It's not me.

1268
00:48:31,780 --> 00:48:32,900
It's the people we serve.

1269
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:34,060
It's the business owners

1270
00:48:34,060 --> 00:48:35,740
that we were helping accomplish their dreams.

1271
00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:38,420
We're simply the Alfred behind the scenes

1272
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:40,620
helping with the operations as Batman goes out

1273
00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:42,100
and saves the day.

1274
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:44,340
So Daniel, thank you for coming in and sharing your vision.

1275
00:48:44,340 --> 00:48:45,180
Those of you listening in,

1276
00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:47,540
you'll be able to access Daniel

1277
00:48:47,540 --> 00:48:51,100
through all social media platforms that he's connected to.

1278
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:54,180
And down below the vision, we'll have the action steps

1279
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:56,140
that you can take to get involved with this work.

1280
00:48:56,140 --> 00:48:57,780
Whether you're local to San Antonio or not,

1281
00:48:57,780 --> 00:48:59,340
you might think, man, I wish I could work with him

1282
00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:00,180
but I live here.

1283
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:03,220
Well, cover the T&E, cover the travel expenses.

1284
00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:05,140
I mean, I'll bring Daniel out

1285
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:06,340
to get involved in your events.

1286
00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:07,620
I imagine you'd want to travel.

1287
00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:08,780
Is that the case?

1288
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:09,700
Oh yeah.

1289
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:10,700
Yeah.

1290
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:12,300
So especially when the price is right,

1291
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:13,340
bring his whole family.

1292
00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:15,180
You know, pay for all of them to come.

1293
00:49:15,180 --> 00:49:16,020
I definitely want to go then.

1294
00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:17,620
What was that?

1295
00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:19,300
Said I'll definitely want to go then.

1296
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:20,140
Yeah, for real.

1297
00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:20,980
Like, and what do you want?

1298
00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:22,820
Like you want a happy photographer,

1299
00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:24,460
a happy service provider.

1300
00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:26,780
Those are the types of people who go

1301
00:49:26,780 --> 00:49:30,020
to the ends of the earth to provide great solutions for you.

1302
00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:31,580
And the same is applicable

1303
00:49:31,580 --> 00:49:34,660
for any service provider you might work with.

1304
00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:37,580
There's an opportunity there to solidify your legacy

1305
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at a new level, serve people to even greater capacity

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and make sure that you're transforming your future

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for your best self as well.

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So Daniel, thank you so much for being here.

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Any final thoughts before I wrap up?

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I know we're over.

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And we covered a lot of good stuff.

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So I can't think of anything else right now.

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Awesome.

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Well, I'll see you behind the scenes.

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Visionaries, if you're feeling inspired

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in the top right corner, it says be our guest.

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We'd love to have you as a guest on the show as well.

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And we will see you in the next episode.

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Take care everybody.

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Bye-bye.

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Thank you for being here today.

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I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions

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as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is gonna get more and more fun.

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We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show.

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And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your.