1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,680 I'll come back on and we're live. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,000 So with that said, how has your week been? 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,320 What's new with you? 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,640 That's an entrepreneurial response if I've ever heard one. 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,160 Yeah, it's been a week. 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,480 It has definitely been a week. 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,920 We'll just leave it there. 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,000 That's what we're here for as leaders. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,200 It's not always sunshine and roses. 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,920 So those of you who are listening in, I have had one of those weeks as well. 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:32,920 But it's been weird. 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:39,080 I've got the two sides approach of some of the things that happened this week were amazing, 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,200 like outstanding. 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,880 And then there was other things that were like, how do you have these two types of experiences 15 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,120 at the same time in life? 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,960 So yeah, real life with Barbara Anne and Jackson Calame 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,680 So thank you so much for joining me. 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:01:01,360 I know you got a very busy show yourself and a huge lineup and lots of things going on. 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:08,120 For those podcasters who are in the heat of it or are just starting out, how do you manage 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,120 it? 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:14,960 Fortunately, thank you first for having me on your show. 22 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:15,960 How do I manage it? 23 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:16,960 Yes, because I do. 24 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:22,640 I wear multiple hats, both as the founder and owner of PurposeFilled Solutions and Evolutions. 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:29,240 I also do work with a nonprofit organization that I've had a relationship with for decades. 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:34,280 And I do have a show, an online streaming television show called What the Why with Barbara 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,040 Anne that airs on RVN television as well as Roku. 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,920 And then believe it or not, on top of all of that, I have responsibilities as a second 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,240 degree black belt in martial arts. 30 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,160 So yes, I have quite the schedule. 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:53,560 And then of course, my furry babies love to remind me how they believe they are my number 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,400 one priority in their lives. 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,880 But yeah, how do I manage it all? 34 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:05,880 Honestly, a lot of it has to do with prioritizing what's essential, what's important, the things 35 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:12,520 that fulfill my why, as well as making sure that I take intermittent breaks throughout 36 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:17,600 the day so that I am practicing self care, which is something that my company coaches 37 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:18,600 around. 38 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,600 That's awesome. 39 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,120 Well, I appreciate that. 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:27,160 And I'm sure there's lots of resources, books, mentors, things like that that have helped 41 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,600 you get to where you are and do what you do. 42 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,640 With that said, what are three resources that you recommend for the visionaries and entrepreneurs 43 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:36,000 listening in? 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,880 Okay, three resources. 45 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,760 Number one is actually a former employer, the US Small Business Administration. 46 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:51,280 Their website can be a little complicated, but there are so many resources and links 47 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:58,000 and content that is available already covered by your taxpayer dollars. 48 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,840 And you can find information that is local to where you are. 49 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:11,000 There are all kinds of links to free training and counseling and technical assistance and 50 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:18,360 financing opportunities, loans, some very limited, but links to grants. 51 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:24,360 Small Business Administration even has a venture capital arm that it does in partnership with 52 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,360 venture capitalists. 53 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,360 So there's so many resources there. 54 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,360 Resource number two is find a coach like me. 55 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,880 There are lots of coaches. 56 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,680 And I do have to say that not all coaches are equal. 57 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,200 You can see in my background I got a number of different initials behind my name. 58 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:47,400 And I am a member of the International Coaching Federation. 59 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,760 I'm a personal certified or professional certified coach. 60 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:58,300 But I have also worked with over 2100 businesses over the past two decades and provided training 61 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:03,780 and counseling to thousands more in roles with the government as well as nonprofits 62 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:07,840 that focus on economic development and small business growth. 63 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:13,120 So find coaches, interview them about their background and credentials. 64 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,840 And then I'd say the number three resource is actually focusing on yourself as the whole 65 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:19,100 person. 66 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:23,800 I'm a big fan of two books that I've used with recent leadership coaches. 67 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:30,440 One is Asking Powerful Questions by Will Wise and Chad Littlefield. 68 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,860 And the other one is Positive Intelligence by Shirzad Shamin. 69 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:41,200 And I especially love the Positive Intelligence book because that book turned into a coaching 70 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,720 movement which I am a coach in. 71 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,640 And that is a huge part of my self-care regimen to be honest. 72 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,040 That is awesome. 73 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:57,480 What a treasure trove of ideas, applicable ideas that we can utilize. 74 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:04,720 I was just training with my team on how to ask comprehensive questions that are also 75 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,400 personable. 76 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,720 And so that was a fun training in and of itself. 77 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,400 I agree with the power of that. 78 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,440 You were the second guest this week. 79 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:18,720 You were both the first guests on the show out of more than 200 who recommended to listen 80 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,960 to yourself, your body. 81 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,640 And I was surprised when she said it. 82 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,040 I was like, wow, I can't believe nobody said that before. 83 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,800 That is a powerful truth. 84 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,720 And now I got two amazing rock stars on the show saying it in the same week. 85 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,080 So we're going to be right back. 86 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,640 We're going to be diving in and talking about boldly overcoming the fear of remaining the 87 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,880 same when we come back. 88 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:40,880 All right. 89 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,000 Welcome in to Vision Pros Live with Jackson Calame. 90 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,000 I'm your show host. 91 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,280 We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic 92 00:05:50,280 --> 00:06:01,160 visions out there. 93 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,280 Welcome in to another episode of Vision Pros Live. 94 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:07,080 I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO of First Class Business. 95 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,360 And I'm super blessed today to have Barbara Anne Gardenhire on my show. 96 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,360 And we're going to be diving in and talking about the fear of remaining the same, the 97 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,840 fear of change, how to step into our best selves as leaders and visionary. 98 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:25,040 She's going to grant us with a ton of wisdom on that subject as we dive into her vision. 99 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,440 Now, before I bring her on stage, I always want to make sure to take time to give you 100 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:35,000 guys some resources, resources that can help you expand your vision, build your legacy, 101 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 improve your leadership, et cetera. 102 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,520 So we'll start with the lost spot with Melissa Gray. 103 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,120 Melissa Gray also came on the show. 104 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,040 You can check her episode out. 105 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:47,200 And I was very close to canceling her before she showed up because I was nervous about 106 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,520 having a lawyer on the show. 107 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,080 I mean, most lawyers have met her kind of pretentious. 108 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,240 They're rude. 109 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,720 They don't know how to relate to you and speak your language. 110 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,060 And at the end of the day, you're usually just another number because they have such 111 00:06:58,060 --> 00:07:02,480 high supply and demand that they don't make time for the infrastructures necessary to 112 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,480 scale. 113 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,080 That couldn't be further from the truth with Melissa Gray. 114 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,780 She is making time to position herself for scale. 115 00:07:08,780 --> 00:07:12,880 She wants to be that liaison between the legal zoom that's out there where you can get free 116 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,880 templates that might help you with your brand a little bit. 117 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,640 But when push comes to shove in business and the real life hits you, it's very important 118 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,240 to have legal counsel on board with that. 119 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,560 And maybe Barbara Ann has had a different experience than I. 120 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,660 So we don't have to talk about this on the show, but you might ask her what her experience 121 00:07:28,660 --> 00:07:31,960 has been out of the thousands of business owners I've talked to. 122 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:37,840 I would bet less than a hundred had legal counsel representing them that they were actually 123 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,700 comfortable with and aligned with. 124 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:41,160 And that's just kind of scary. 125 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,000 You need protection in the world of business. 126 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,440 Take it from a guy who had a twenty thousand dollar trademark lawsuit that we won, but 127 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,720 we spent twenty thousand dollars and we probably didn't have to do. 128 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,080 In fact, I know we didn't have to do that. 129 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,640 How do we have the right counsel up front? 130 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,800 So there's lots of things that can happen in your business. 131 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,720 Make sure that you are well protected. 132 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,740 In addition to that, there's another sponsor up here. 133 00:08:00,740 --> 00:08:03,640 By the way, full disclaimer, Melissa Gray and I work together. 134 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,320 She is a strategic partner now with us. 135 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,440 She started as a client. 136 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,440 She's now a partner. 137 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,920 I always want to be super open and honest with everybody about what we do, how we do 138 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,040 it and what we're what we're headed towards. 139 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:19,000 Andrew Sosin is not a client, though, or a strategic partner, but he built Recovery Unplugged 140 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,960 and it is one of the greatest resources for our generation, in my opinion, because there's 141 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,000 so many people out there struggling with different types of addictions and most people are in 142 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,520 a position where they want to admit that or they can turn to somebody. 143 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,900 And if you don't have one, you got friends or family who do. 144 00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:42,460 So having access to a 24 seven hotline with incredible depths of of how do we help people 145 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:44,920 overcome their pain and suffering and belong. 146 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:50,160 Andrew has been to Tony Robbins program 22 years in a row as both an attendee and a leader. 147 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:56,560 He has a team of over 400 people that used to be located in only five states with covid. 148 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:00,560 They transformed their program to also be able to reach anybody in the world and help 149 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:02,040 people who can call in. 150 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,320 And I think that's just amazing. 151 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,320 They incorporate music as well. 152 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,640 If there's one thing I can instill in you as a leader and in those around me, it would 153 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:13,680 be to have the confidence and appreciation for yourself to know that you belong. 154 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:14,680 Right. 155 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:15,680 Life is OK. 156 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:17,480 We can experience great things in life. 157 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,600 Now, I'm not going to go any further than that because I don't have the degree to preach 158 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:22,600 or teach that. 159 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,140 All I know is I've seen so many people suffering that I hope this helps at least one more person 160 00:09:27,140 --> 00:09:30,960 out there realize that there's hope and there are opportunities for help and there's no 161 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,000 shame in diving into it. 162 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:38,840 The last resourceful mention, the one that really fills my heart and the reason why I 163 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,620 do that is this water bottle right here. 164 00:09:40,620 --> 00:09:41,960 It's almost empty. 165 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,480 Is the water project. 166 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:49,440 The water project is really about bringing light, shedding light on something that I've 167 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,960 never had to deal with myself. 168 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,320 I can go to my downstairs kitchen and get water right away. 169 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,860 I've never I've always been able to take water for granted. 170 00:09:57,860 --> 00:10:00,200 And there's millions of people out there who don't have that luxury. 171 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,760 We live in a world where eight billion people need a lot of help from us. 172 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,560 And as long as I'm rocking this microphone, I'm going to talk about those who do not have 173 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:09,960 the fortune to do so so that we can help them. 174 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,360 We can step up and do something about it. 175 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,860 What's really cool about the water project is the amount of transparency they provide. 176 00:10:15,860 --> 00:10:20,840 You actually get to see which community you're investing in by giving the five dollars to 177 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:26,120 you know, or five hundred or five hundred thousand dollars to the project. 178 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:27,680 You get to see the project come to fruition. 179 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:29,880 They show you the outcome of where your money went. 180 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,560 I just think that's amazing. 181 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:36,480 What's really special about this to me is these kids are celebrating water like my kids 182 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,400 celebrate Christmas Day. 183 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:39,640 That's a very humbling reality. 184 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,640 I never want to forget that. 185 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,040 It's also really I think it's healing and empowering to take walks once in a while in 186 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,720 your life and think about if you provide to something like this or if you share this with 187 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,040 somebody, what's the impact that that's going to have on generations? 188 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,360 You just made an impact. 189 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,600 A ripple effect takes place because of your generosity or your mouth or your click and 190 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,600 share. 191 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,600 And I really appreciate that. 192 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,080 If you have another cause, though, when you're like, man, I wish you would talk about this 193 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,080 cause. 194 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,080 Drop the link. 195 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,520 Give us a chance to give back. 196 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,560 Give us a chance to get involved in some other cause. 197 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:12,480 We might put that on the show as well. 198 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,640 And it's fascinating to see, you know, how many people get inspired by and do something 199 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:17,640 about this. 200 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,600 And, you know, just at the end of the day, it helps me sleep better and helps make sure 201 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,280 that I'm focusing on things that matter most in life. 202 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaking of Barbara, Ann has a track record of doing the exact same preparing herself, 203 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,800 building herself, creating amazing success with people and for people. 204 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,480 And I can't wait to dive into her vision. 205 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,840 So Barbara, Ann, thank you so much for honoring us and being on Vision Pros Live. 206 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,960 Thanks for having me here. 207 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,640 And I love the I love everything that you support as well, including the clean water. 208 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:47,640 Awesome. 209 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:48,640 I'm glad to hear that. 210 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,400 It looks like we have another opportunity to spread the word there. 211 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:57,520 So speaking of the helping people, we're going to shift gears into how you specifically help 212 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,680 people on that day to day basis, monthly, weekly, hourly, whatever that looks like. 213 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:05,960 What is your vision for the people that you are serving? 214 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:12,040 This is going to sound a little strange, but our actual vision is to create environments 215 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,880 and spaces of belonging where everyone can feel valued for the unique and wonderful and 216 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:23,720 amazing, perfectly formed, created people that they are. 217 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:32,160 And but the larger scope of that really is about helping individuals and companies to 218 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:40,440 basically reimagine who they are, figure out their why or core purpose and move forward 219 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:47,800 to optimize pivot in some instances and thrive in whatever their why is. 220 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,480 And the journey that my life has had, which has included some things that no one should 221 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:57,600 ever, ever, ever have to go through. 222 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:05,600 Part of that, the gift in all of that, actually, is that my why I realized was helping other 223 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,200 people figure out theirs and live into it. 224 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:14,160 And a big part of that means also overcoming the fear of change. 225 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,600 That's amazing. 226 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,120 And the you started that out, though, with an interesting phrase. 227 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,620 And I appreciate it because I think it comes from a position of nurture. 228 00:13:21,620 --> 00:13:26,120 You said what you were sharing is strange, a little bit strange to people. 229 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,080 Now that came right after I talked about how important it is to belong and on a show all 230 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,080 about vision. 231 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,840 So enlighten us. 232 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,920 Why do you feel that's a strange concept? 233 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,320 What is the world saying or what are people doing that's making it seem strange to talk 234 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:45,400 about belonging in a world where people are so separated? 235 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,600 Great question, honestly. 236 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:57,840 Because as someone who is multiracial, female of a certain age, who has touched neurodiversity, 237 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:05,200 who has some hidden disabilities, I am a walking example of intersectionality. 238 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,920 My parents were married at a time when it was still actually illegal in some states 239 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,800 for them to get married. 240 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,040 And so for a lot of my life, I felt very outside. 241 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,560 I didn't really fit in one group, I didn't really fit into another group. 242 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,160 And so part of my solution at the time was to create my own groups. 243 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:32,840 And while I can appreciate so much of that now, it created a very different road to travel 244 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,000 for me. 245 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,760 And I met a lot of other people along the way that had also traveled that very different 246 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,240 road. 247 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:47,640 And it's been very interesting as someone who has all of these different intersectionalities 248 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,440 in the workplace. 249 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:55,160 And I've seen things just as I've experienced things in life, I've experienced things in 250 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,680 the workplace and had team members experiencing things in the workplace that no one should 251 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,960 just ever have to go through. 252 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,560 And it's completely unnecessary. 253 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:13,680 And it comes down to people who want to, I guess, validate themselves by how they elevate 254 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,560 themselves over others. 255 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:21,040 In my case, I've had some really dangerous jobs having worked in some communities that 256 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,160 been in areas where police wouldn't even go and yet it was a corporate role in a corporate 257 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,880 boardroom where I would be physically assaulted on the job by someone who had been harassing 258 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,060 and bullying me on the job. 259 00:15:32,060 --> 00:15:39,240 And the only thing worse than that was actually having the company side with that person because 260 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:44,000 they knew that person was a problem and they hadn't addressed it. 261 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,280 And while they put him on a final warning and other people came forward after what I 262 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:54,440 had experienced, that assault actually herniated discs in my neck. 263 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,720 Really nothing was done until that company actually shut down all operations in the state 264 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:06,640 and New Jersey and outsourced all of the work to India and New York because it had become 265 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,720 so toxic. 266 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:15,680 And those experiences and others contribute to my company's way of approaching belonging 267 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,160 in the workplace and in life. 268 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:24,720 And everything we do is informed with, I'll mention the book Positive Intelligence by 269 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:29,600 Shirzad Shamin which has grown into a coaching movement. 270 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:37,280 Everything we do is around helping people accept who they are and understanding that 271 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:44,400 everything, whether it is our happiness, our love for ourselves, everything's internally 272 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,880 generated and what you have is a world full of people who are looking for things externally 273 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,600 and competing for things externally. 274 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,080 Things that in all honesty don't even really matter. 275 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:03,220 And our approach in everything, including the way we handle belonging, is you have the 276 00:17:03,220 --> 00:17:04,520 power from within. 277 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:05,520 You had it all along. 278 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:06,520 You were born with it. 279 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:07,520 You know what you were as a child. 280 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,520 You were fearless as a child. 281 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,280 When you look at the pictures of yourself as a kid, you see yourself doing things and 282 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,960 I'm of an age where, in fact, I'll just tell you because a lot of people are always shocked 283 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,960 when they're like, you're how old? 284 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:20,960 I'm 55. 285 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,200 No, I look 55. 286 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,200 That's not fair. 287 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,200 Sorry. 288 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,200 No. 289 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,200 And I don't even have filters. 290 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,520 I don't even really have all your filters that I could have on. 291 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:36,360 Now, I'm blessed with good genes, but a lot of it is also choices that I've made and the 292 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:39,720 exercise and the diet and the relaxation. 293 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,640 But I digress. 294 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:48,840 One of the things that we all do is as a team, all of our team has been through positive 295 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:49,840 intelligence. 296 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,040 We work with people and help them realize that just like Dorothy had the power to get 297 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,480 home all along in The Wizard of Oz, we don't need to empower people. 298 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:07,520 We need to help people refine their power or in power themselves to realize that they 299 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:13,280 are, regardless of all of the actual and perceived barriers around them to happiness, they're 300 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,800 their biggest barrier. 301 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:22,880 And the fear of changing that is what's holding them back because a lot of those things that 302 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:29,120 are sabotaging their success are things that have actually become survival instincts. 303 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,240 It's what got them there to where they are. 304 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,240 Right. 305 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,240 I've been there. 306 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,240 Yeah. 307 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:41,400 So there's this inherent fear of saying, yeah, but I don't want to let go of that. 308 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,400 It protects me. 309 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:43,560 It saves me. 310 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,160 It's served me. 311 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,160 But what they don't realize is those same skill sets when used, I guess for lack of 312 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,240 better words, in the positive can also be your superpowers. 313 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:02,900 And when people are stuck, it's usually because they're just so petrified that what's on the 314 00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:05,080 other side could be even worse. 315 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,720 Well, you've got to be careful with the superpowers you have because the superpower strength of 316 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,520 a Superman can also crush a baby. 317 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,360 So being able to use them precisely for the right reasons, the right way, it's something 318 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:19,360 we all have to learn. 319 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:20,360 We do have them. 320 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:22,600 So I very much appreciate that. 321 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,880 It's why vision pros exists because I had to learn this the hard way. 322 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,680 I had crushed a couple of people's visions when I finally realized I had been doing it 323 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,600 for a long time by trying to control their outcomes and predict what was supposed to 324 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:37,600 be right for them. 325 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,840 This show is all about, no, you have vision within you. 326 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,920 And we want to hear and honor that. 327 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,320 So thank you for sharing all that with us. 328 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,320 You're welcome. 329 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,080 You reminded me of a documentary I watched. 330 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,920 I'm big on learning through movies because you can just, if a picture says a thousand 331 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,540 words, how much is a movie? 332 00:19:56,540 --> 00:19:59,240 And there was this movie called Little White Lie. 333 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:05,760 And it was about a girl who is black, who grew up thinking she was white. 334 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,240 And nobody could really tell, but they kind of could. 335 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:15,200 It's a very interesting documentary about this Jewish family as well. 336 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,640 And I look at that from an outside layman's perspective, an ignorant perspective of like, 337 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,360 I've never had to go through that. 338 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:24,040 I've never experienced that. 339 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,520 What would it be like? 340 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,520 How can you be there for somebody? 341 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,560 How can you be a good friend or have a good relationship with people who have differences 342 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,560 from ourselves? 343 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,760 I don't have to spend life learning about things like that and diving into it, but I 344 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:44,400 find my greatest joys when I can find how to relate to others. 345 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,160 And that could be my sibling who grew up very differently than I did, or it could be a complete 346 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,240 stranger on the other side of the world when we're called to. 347 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,080 So what's your vision for you, Barbara Ann? 348 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,560 What do you see for yourself on the horizon? 349 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,040 I love doing what I do. 350 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,640 And so for me, it's continuing to do this work. 351 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:15,160 We actually have a program that is similar to DEI, but it's not because we start by working 352 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:20,480 with people on the whole issue of stability and finding common ground before we ever get 353 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,480 into any other issues. 354 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,400 You mentioned reversing the order in our pre-show conversation. 355 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,400 Remind me about that. 356 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,920 For those who don't know DEI, go ahead. 357 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:38,760 So we do what we call SEED, which is civility, then inclusion, equity, and then diversity. 358 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:47,440 And our tagline is a new way of being or belonging at work, but also in life. 359 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:53,080 And so much attention to answer, to further elaborate on your earlier question, so much 360 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,920 attention is on what we have. 361 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,920 It's different. 362 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:56,920 Yeah. 363 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,560 So much attention. 364 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,200 And yet our DNA is almost identical. 365 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,920 And we can be different and celebrate that instead of different and pointing to that 366 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,920 as something that's deficient. 367 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:11,920 Right. 368 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,920 Right. 369 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:18,600 I love that you reversed the order too, because I never really thought about that. 370 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:24,520 And granted, again, I didn't have to spend as much time on it growing up. 371 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:29,540 And so as I've looked into, all right, again, how do I show up in this world in a way that's 372 00:22:29,540 --> 00:22:35,080 respectful and honors everybody that I'm supposed to love? 373 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,560 And some of that was figuring out how to love myself. 374 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,560 Right. 375 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,440 That's a big part of it. 376 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,320 You start with inclusion. 377 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,320 You don't start with dividing. 378 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,320 You start with inclusion. 379 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,040 I was like, that's really cool. 380 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,040 I can get on board. 381 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,240 I think a lot of people would very quickly get on board of that if more people just heard 382 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,240 about it. 383 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,800 I'm going to leave that where it's at for now. 384 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,380 We're going to dive into a much darker conversation. 385 00:22:58,380 --> 00:23:04,640 So the dark conversation, what's the worst leadership experience that you've ever had? 386 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:12,640 Well, I'd have to say the worst leadership experience I've ever had was the leader who 387 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,440 assaulted me physically. 388 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:26,440 It's a very complicated situation, but I transferred from one job into another as a lateral move 389 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,440 to get away from this person. 390 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,640 And then the vice president that we all reported to started to realize that this person had 391 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:38,160 been telling a lot of lies and that threatened that person. 392 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:46,240 And ultimately it culminated in him grabbing me by the neck and shaking me in a meeting 393 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:53,840 in a room full of leaders at an offsite leadership development event that was actually led by 394 00:23:53,840 --> 00:24:00,540 one of my current team members and who also was the only person who stood with me when 395 00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:01,540 they were all threatened. 396 00:24:01,540 --> 00:24:10,640 Suffice to say, the company did ultimately lose, even though in the state of New Jersey, 397 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:18,160 binding arbitration is the required medium for dealing with workplace disputes. 398 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,760 And they tried to keep it out of court by arguing that it didn't belong in court because 399 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,600 it was an employment related injury. 400 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,520 And they tried to keep it out of binding arbitration by arguing that it was an workplace assault 401 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,240 and didn't belong in arbitration. 402 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,400 But it was horrible. 403 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:41,800 And I couldn't really, my attorney, to your point about attorneys, my attorney was good, 404 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:48,400 but my attorney's position was you can't leave this company because you need to be able to 405 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,120 have the flexibility for the treatments that you're getting and you need to put the pressure 406 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:57,040 on them by staying there so that they are willing to settle. 407 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,040 Wow. 408 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,040 Smart. 409 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:05,760 And smart, seems smart, but the police would not implement a restraining order against 410 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:12,680 the person because the company backed him up. 411 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,160 And my boss, who's now Lisa Hiller, and shout out, actually shout out to my whole team, 412 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,760 Lisa Hiller and Sarahia Romero and Ariel Rankin. 413 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,160 And Lisa and I have been peers. 414 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,240 I worked for her. 415 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,240 She worked for me. 416 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,240 We went back to being peers. 417 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,120 Now she joined the company, Purpose Filled Solutions and Evolutions. 418 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,680 And she was actually threatened with her. 419 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:46,440 She was told by a VP who eventually went and became a diversity VP in another company, 420 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,440 which cracks me up. 421 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,560 She was threatened. 422 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,440 You either get in line or you're putting all our jobs at risk. 423 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:59,240 And she told them that she didn't care because at least she would be able to sleep at night 424 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,080 knowing that she still had her integrity. 425 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,440 And that was in 2006. 426 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:13,240 They lost in binding arbitration and then they tried to appeal their binding arbitration. 427 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:21,000 But yes, it was a textbook. 428 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,120 And I am friends with some really awesome attorneys, including one that I participate 429 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:27,120 in a group with weekly. 430 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,440 Shout out to Stajil Thacker. 431 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:35,800 She calls herself a recovering employment law attorney. 432 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,120 She now works with companies to deal with all of the issues that they used to hire her 433 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,880 for before they get there. 434 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:54,960 But this was the most textbook case of every possible failure of leadership at every level 435 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,960 and then some. 436 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,320 It does. 437 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,320 It really was. 438 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,440 It reminds me of the exact opposite of one of my favorite books on leadership, which 439 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,040 is the five dysfunctions of a team. 440 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,560 It's like the story of what the book did not write about. 441 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,280 Patrick Mancione hit the nail on the head for what you should do. 442 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,280 And you just hit the nail on the head for like, avoid everything about that scenario 443 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,280 possible. 444 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,280 Absolutely. 445 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,880 And it's interesting because the International Coaching Federation is in large part, it's 446 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,360 interesting that you brought up his book because that's what the principles are of the International 447 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:34,520 Coaching Federation and our the things that we're evaluated on are actually founded in 448 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,520 his work. 449 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,920 And we are big fans of his work. 450 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,720 Oh my gosh. 451 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,800 That we created for the five dysfunctions thanks to him. 452 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,560 So it's a tired reading for everybody who joins our company. 453 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:53,600 So which also shows how much of an inherent leader you are and the coaching mindset with 454 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,600 which you lead, clearly, because there are other people out there that would be like, 455 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,600 who? 456 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,600 Why? 457 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,600 Why? 458 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,800 And but his work and the work of some others were really the foundational aspects of what 459 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:14,800 we now know as true coaching, like real coaching, not giving advice, but working with a client. 460 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,760 That's why we use the compasses. 461 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,760 We're navigators. 462 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,880 Yeah, all ourselves solutions navigators. 463 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,920 We have a business consulting side of our company where, yes, we will give advice and 464 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,040 certain areas of expertise. 465 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:34,640 But our coaching work is really about helping the person navigate to the answers that they 466 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,640 had all along. 467 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,200 They just weren't sure what they were or how to find them. 468 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,240 That's awesome. 469 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,640 We are going to shift gears in the upper echelon of the best leadership experience. 470 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:54,280 So what is the best leadership experience that you've ever had? 471 00:28:54,280 --> 00:29:00,160 The best leadership experience I've ever had, interestingly, was the person who stood by 472 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,640 me throughout that. 473 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,360 Like I said, we were peers. 474 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:12,040 So when she moved from another state to take a job that was downgraded in part because 475 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:20,160 of the person that was bullying me, when her job got downgraded, she had no idea of the 476 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,160 context. 477 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,240 And her thought process was, if you're going to drop me from a director to a manager, that's 478 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,080 okay as long as you pay me the same. 479 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,960 So then that downgraded me from a manager to a specialist. 480 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:38,520 And we had a very honest conversation because they had indoctrinated her or tried to indoctrinate 481 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,960 her with a lot of information. 482 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:46,240 She had the common sense to model for me something that I would do later in a change oriented 483 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,160 environment that I was hired to come in and dress. 484 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,280 She pushed all of that out and basically had a coaching conversation with me. 485 00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:00,800 She wanted to know about me, what my experience had been before she shared with me anything 486 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,720 that had been shared with her. 487 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:14,680 And Lisa led by example, she asked positive open ended questions, very much embodied a 488 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,580 coaching mindset. 489 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:26,480 She and I together introduced emotional intelligence, ironically, into the company, created an entire 490 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:33,680 training development and quality assurance department that didn't exist in the company. 491 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:42,960 And when she had the strength and the courage, even after relocating for this job, this all 492 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:48,680 only happened about five or six months after she moved. 493 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,400 She had left everything to come here. 494 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,440 That she was willing to stand up and do the right thing, even if it wasn't the popular 495 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320 thing, even if she was being threatened. 496 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,120 And they did threaten her at one point, they tried to fabricate something to get rid of 497 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,240 her. 498 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,720 It was she stood by me anyway. 499 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:19,920 And even though she was still trying to do more of a win win, she showed that in the 500 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:26,160 face of some of the scariest things that can happen to you, if you stand in integrity and 501 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,560 an honesty, you can still be successful. 502 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:36,640 And I know for me, for some people, the saddest day was when they announced they were shutting 503 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,720 down operations in New Jersey. 504 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,960 Of course, for me, it was the happiest one. 505 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,840 But even through that, she led our team. 506 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,720 We had to train the people in India who were going to be taking our jobs. 507 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,440 And under her leadership, we did that. 508 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,060 And she was there with us. 509 00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:58,880 She wasn't telling us what to do. 510 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,120 Both of us were the kinds of leaders where when I was in a different role, when I saw 511 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,320 things were backing up, I jumped in and helped. 512 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,520 And she was the first person I worked with who did that as well. 513 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,480 It's like, okay, how can I help you? 514 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,760 I can back you up. 515 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,120 How can I support you? 516 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,120 What are you doing? 517 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,240 Oh, you need an exception for this? 518 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,200 Remote work was unheard of during this timeframe. 519 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,200 My son broke his arm. 520 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,280 She gave me permission to work. 521 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,520 I'm working from the hospital to finish a deadline. 522 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,140 Sounds absurd now, but it was very common in the mid 2000s before the economic crash 523 00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:34,840 in 2008. 524 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:41,600 And she went on a limb to give me the permission to let me do that and took flack for it. 525 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,120 But she was willing to sacrifice that political capital because it was a win-win for the company 526 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,120 and for her team. 527 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,920 I love that. 528 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,920 Yeah. 529 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:56,200 And she really helped put me on a path that where even with some of the things that I 530 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:02,200 experienced, I can now look at all of that as a gift because I absolutely, positively, 531 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:10,160 and certainly would not be doing what I do today had I one, not been through that darkness, 532 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:16,880 but two, not had her as a light to also help guide me through it. 533 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,120 That's awesome. 534 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,800 There's so many applications for that that are missed opportunities to apply that in 535 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,280 the workforce, as leaders especially, because there are so many different hats that you 536 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,840 can wear. 537 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,560 And there's a balance to have. 538 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,160 I was thinking of a surgeon, as you talked about, I was thinking of a heart surgeon and 539 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,600 how as a heart surgeon, you could certainly go in and do the job of the other person, 540 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,320 but they're probably a better expert than you are at that particular job at that point. 541 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,960 And so in that instance, the opportunity to simply collaborate about how we might do something 542 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,120 better might be the better option. 543 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,520 But if you've got 20 calls to make for sales, or rather you have somebody who's supposed 544 00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,880 to make 20 calls, then going in the room and dividing it 10 and 10, and making those calls 545 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,640 with them to get through it, that's an opportunity to step up and divide the work. 546 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,980 Or if you've got spreadsheets that have to be filled out, coming in and doing the work 547 00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:10,120 for a little bit with them. 548 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,200 There's so many ways as leaders where we can step up and instead of inhibiting or creating 549 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,440 a culture where we're saying, that's not my job, right? 550 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,060 That's our attitude. 551 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:26,320 It's amazing how fast and how far the trickle down effect of something like that would go. 552 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,360 So it's very neat that she understood that. 553 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,760 And then that you both worked towards implementing that. 554 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,200 I hope more entrepreneurs follow suit because we'll all win better if we do. 555 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,480 If we shift gears into the, I'd say this is the hardest question. 556 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,480 This is the toughest one. 557 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,920 It's the one I hope people think the most about. 558 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,480 If this was the last opportunity that you had to share a message with the world, specifically 559 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,680 visionaries and leaders, what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn from your experience? 560 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,760 To lead with empathy. 561 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:07,240 The world's changing, jobs are changing, and so many people have been put in roles based 562 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:12,980 on their subject matter expertise or their productivity, and they haven't really been 563 00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:15,480 prepared for leadership. 564 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:22,120 And there are a lot of visionaries out there in those roles that just need preparation, 565 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:29,520 and there are other visionaries out there helping these leaders to prepare for those 566 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,720 roles. 567 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:37,860 And I think the most common theme is that once upon a time we were told not to bring 568 00:35:37,860 --> 00:35:39,080 our whole selves to work. 569 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,360 You can't separate yourself. 570 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,040 You are your whole self. 571 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,040 Thank you. 572 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,040 You cannot. 573 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,240 It's an absurd idea. 574 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:54,680 And I used to say things to my team like, hard work and having fun are not mutually 575 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,680 exclusive. 576 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,280 We can enjoy it. 577 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,800 We can celebrate it. 578 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:07,920 And it doesn't mean that you get, there is such a thing as too much transparency and 579 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,520 too much honesty and too much vulnerability. 580 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:18,000 But those are things that the leaders of the future, the visionaries of the future are 581 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,840 going to need because more and more of what leaders and managers used to be asked to do 582 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,400 is going to be done by AI. 583 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:32,960 And as that happens, the human aspect of that is going to be lessened. 584 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,560 So the leader, the visionary, the heads of these companies, the entrepreneurs, we're 585 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:46,320 going to need to compensate with that as the people, the holder of what is human and how 586 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,640 we treat people, how we allow other people to be treated. 587 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:57,000 That includes when you do need to take action, you take action so that other people don't 588 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,160 feel like you don't care. 589 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,280 It means taking a stand. 590 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,080 It means allowing room for errors. 591 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,640 In our headquarters dojo, shout out to the Kenshi Kai community training traditional 592 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,680 Okinawan Gojiru Gojujitsu. 593 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:21,320 And in our North American headquarters dojo, there's a sign that has a quote from the 594 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,320 incredible and comparable Dr. APJ Abdul Salam. 595 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:32,200 He was former president of India and he was an astrophysicist who helped launch India's 596 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,200 space program. 597 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,400 I mean, this guy was incredible. 598 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:44,520 And he coined a quote that basically starts with, there is no such thing as failure because 599 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,120 fail is an acronym for first attempt in learning. 600 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,120 And I'm paraphrasing it and it goes on, it says, you know, no means next opportunity 601 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,760 and there is no end because effort never dies. 602 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:03,200 But the two things that I would want, if anybody was going to write anything down from here, 603 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,280 I would say write down that phrase. 604 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,320 Fail is an acronym because you cannot learn if you do not make mistakes. 605 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:16,480 You have to give people room to make mistakes. 606 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,960 So fail equals first attempt in learning. 607 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,760 The other part of that, and one of the reasons why I am critical and do my own approach to 608 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:30,120 handling belonging in the workplace is because so many DEI efforts are all about what other 609 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:36,760 people say and don't address what people hear through the filter of their experience. 610 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:42,680 And that's a problem because then everything they hear is through the filter of their experience 611 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,400 and not everything deserves to be seen through that lens. 612 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,720 And my good friend and coach instructor, Joe Colantonio, said something that I told her 613 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,840 I'm going to make her world famous. 614 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,280 And that is what people say is about them. 615 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,280 What we hear is about us. 616 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:14,640 And that is one of the other guiding principles of our company and how we program because 617 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,560 I've worked with a lot of women of color, a lot of communities that have experienced 618 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,000 disinvestment over my 30 plus year career in community and economic development. 619 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,120 I said 20 of it, I had my first coaching class in 1997. 620 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:36,400 And too often people are so bogged down in the constant bombardment of actual genuine 621 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:46,920 systemic issues that have informed and fed their lens that when it's not an issue, they 622 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,440 still see it that way. 623 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:56,000 And the third thing I would leave everybody with is you cannot change somebody else's 624 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,120 mind by attacking them because the first they're going to do is armor up. 625 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,760 And that's the other reason in addition to what I experienced personally, we lead with 626 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:11,200 civility because you have to get everybody to a point where they can even have a conversation, 627 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:17,000 take the armor off so they can even hear and open their minds up to the possibilities of 628 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:23,000 changing their minds because people inherently don't want to be wrong. 629 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,640 And they, even if you present them with the facts, we've moved into a world where it's 630 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,360 not about facts, it's about feelings. 631 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,400 And so you have to be able to get people to lay down their arms, disarm, literally take 632 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,520 off the armor to be able to have the kinds of conversations that we need to have in order 633 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:48,120 to have healthy, productive workplace environments where everybody feels like they can be their 634 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:54,640 whole self, both in the workplace and then when they go home. 635 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,440 That was phenomenal. 636 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,840 These, I write these quotes, you know, as people talk about their powerful lessons, 637 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,720 they don't commonly write three quotes. 638 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,520 You know, I don't think that's ever happened. 639 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,480 And there's three that really hit home. 640 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,360 Obviously, the need for empathy is a big one. 641 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:17,040 The last one you gave there, one, I'll also just validate real quick, having to make room 642 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,040 for people to make mistakes. 643 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,720 You know, like that is so critical. 644 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,240 We all make mistakes and we're going to. 645 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,040 And when we try to control an environment, then people are just not going to take action, 646 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:34,680 you know, instead of taking action that leads to them learning and overcoming this quote, 647 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,120 oh, you cannot change someone's mind by attacking them. 648 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:44,840 That's a powerful lesson for me to remember because I am not the most diplomatic person 649 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,840 in the world. 650 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,720 This show is teaching me how to become more diplomatic. 651 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,320 And there's the difference. 652 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,400 There's a difference between attacking somebody and somebody feeling like they're attacked. 653 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,080 And at the same time, if we want to have influence, we have to remember that perception is reality 654 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,440 to those who perceived an attack. 655 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,040 It's going to kind of hurt. 656 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,640 So my challenge to use entrepreneurs and visionaries listening in is the opposite side of that 657 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:18,560 coin is to remember that as leaders, if you feel attacked, if you feel the need to go 658 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,760 get defense and strengthen up. 659 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,600 You're probably not that strong as a leader. 660 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,360 And I know that probably hurts a little bit. 661 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,240 That's why I don't want to say it to anybody directly. 662 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,880 I'd rather say it right now while you can all hear it at once. 663 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:41,360 We a lion does not feel attacked by a hyena by itself. 664 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,360 They don't feel threatened. 665 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,480 They don't need to do anything. 666 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,280 They already have the strength necessary to withstand that. 667 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,720 And again, that doesn't apply to all scenarios. 668 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:55,960 There are certain scenarios where I'm talking about when you feel attacked and you're not 669 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,160 knowing to recognize the difference, knowing to set the ego aside and to go ahead. 670 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,440 You got something Barbara Anne. 671 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,440 I was going to say, yeah. 672 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,800 And in addition to that, it's something that can be learned. 673 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,960 I mean, the human response is to go into the fight or flight mode, right? 674 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:17,280 Actually to fight what we call fight, flight, freeze or fawn. 675 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:24,720 But one of the things we talk about in positive intelligence is step outside of yourself. 676 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,760 Be the anthropologist in your life looking in like you're looking at a story and get 677 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,200 curious and say, wow, I've never had anybody say that to me before. 678 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,920 Can you elaborate further? 679 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:43,240 Those are learned skills that can help people who even have the hardest of shells and egos 680 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:48,960 to step back and say, okay, all feedback is a gift, even if it's not right. 681 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,760 That's right. 682 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,320 And receive that information. 683 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,000 Instead of responding, instead of reacting to it, you can then respond to it. 684 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,000 See I love that. 685 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,800 I had a therapist. 686 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,520 He taught me a new lesson on that too. 687 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,120 He said, Jackson, he said, you responded. 688 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,640 He said, we can react, we can respond. 689 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,520 I'm on my high horse excited about it. 690 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,600 He said, or we can listen to understand. 691 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,600 And I was like, what? 692 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,600 I thought we were supposed to respond. 693 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,200 And then he taught me about the next level of listening to understand before we respond. 694 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,040 And I was like, whoa. 695 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,080 I was like, that changes the paradigm completely for me. 696 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,320 There's always new levels we can learn and grow on that. 697 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,940 So we talked about the again, in the beginning, we're going to cover this topic of boldly 698 00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:46,040 overcoming the fear of remaining the same and that fear, like what if I stay right where 699 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:52,240 I'm at and I can't become more than I am. 700 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,240 That's one angle of it. 701 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:58,120 But I want to draw from where I was incubating ideas for what to call this. 702 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,000 I was impressed with what you wrote down and knew that there's just so much dynamics to 703 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000 it. 704 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,000 So I'm going to read it to the audience real quick. 705 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:10,200 You said, my vision is to be happy, satisfied, successful, et cetera, all those great things 706 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,000 and then to help people with that. 707 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,200 But they don't know or understand how to get there. 708 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,480 They want to change, but the fear of change is stronger than the fear of remaining the 709 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,760 same. 710 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,080 They are sick and tired of feeling sick and tired. 711 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,320 They're fed up with the negativity that bombards them on a daily basis. 712 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,660 They're searching for a better way and they just need encouragement from someone who's 713 00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:35,880 done it to pursue it. 714 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:42,560 That aspect, that dynamic of could it be easy to get lost on that is that fear of change 715 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,920 being stronger than that fear of remaining the same. 716 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,960 I like to where we are at a time, but if you're okay with going over a little bit, I'd love 717 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:56,640 to give you some time to, okay, great, to enlighten us a little bit on that or shed some 718 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,360 perspective, feel free to argue with the title that I put out there. 719 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,400 But where do we go with that? 720 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,560 The fear of change and the fear of remaining the same? 721 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:06,920 Yeah. 722 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,000 Part of that is acknowledging that that's what's going on. 723 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:16,400 It's kind of like with any 12-step program, the first thing is to admit you have a challenge. 724 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,700 Sometimes people don't really believe that that's what the issue is. 725 00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:27,000 They will convince themselves to settle that this was the right way, this is the safe way. 726 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,240 It's bad, but it's going to be worse. 727 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:32,800 The grass is always greener on the other side. 728 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:38,100 Part of what we do is we start by encouraging people, okay, maybe you're not ready to leap 729 00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:39,120 into the pool. 730 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:45,200 Maybe just stretch your comfort zone 10%. 731 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,960 Take baby steps. 732 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:47,960 Let's do this. 733 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,960 Let's do this. 734 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:49,960 Like a baby has to- 735 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,120 So you're saying I don't need to have all those accolades that you have on your website 736 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,120 right there. 737 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,120 I don't even have them all. 738 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,120 I can start with a few steps, one book at a time. 739 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,120 Yeah, absolutely. 740 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,120 Absolutely. 741 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:07,120 I mean, it's interesting you're on my website right now and those bricks represented for 742 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,720 me, this was in 2019 when I took my first black belt test. 743 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:17,080 I was still a brown belt, breaking those bricks because it's two concrete bricks. 744 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,400 And it represented everything that I ever believed I couldn't do, including breaking 745 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,400 those bricks. 746 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,600 I had tried many, many times before I succeeded. 747 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:30,720 I mean, you're talking about two concrete bricks, each an inch thick and no spacers. 748 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,000 And it was a requirement. 749 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:41,000 And that actually, and I do an exercise when I do speaking engagements related to that, 750 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:48,960 because it was representative of the barrier that I had in me that said, you can change. 751 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,160 You can do this. 752 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,000 You can get through it. 753 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:59,960 And an exercise I do, I actually have people write the things that they really want to 754 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:04,600 change, but they're afraid to move forward and do. 755 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:12,160 And when they actually do it, it's like, okay, you thought you couldn't do that and yet you 756 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,320 did. 757 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,200 Imagine what else you can do if you stop telling yourself you can't do it. 758 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,640 What we tell ourselves is so critical. 759 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,480 You touched a little bit on this in terms of asset-based language. 760 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,960 If you keep telling yourself you can't do something, then you absolutely are never going 761 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120 to do it. 762 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,360 You tell yourself you can do something, you're at least going to try. 763 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,160 You may very well succeed or it may look a little bit different than what you thought 764 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,360 it would look like. 765 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:51,160 But what we tell ourselves, the way we talk to ourselves, the voice in our head, whether 766 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,960 you call it, you're always on talking voice or judgment and positive intelligence, we 767 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,080 actually call it the judge. 768 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,080 Some people name them. 769 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,120 The itty bitty silly committee. 770 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,120 Yeah. 771 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,440 All of that. 772 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:09,400 Remember that is, I joked just the other day, I said, would you talk like that to your child? 773 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,520 Now, there are people out there that really would, which is very, a whole other issue 774 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,520 and a whole other show. 775 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:15,520 But- 776 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:16,520 Another type of influence. 777 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,520 Yeah, a whole other. 778 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,120 But if you wouldn't say it to your best friend, why would you say it to you? 779 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,000 You have one friend, she starts to criticize herself. 780 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,400 I literally say, stop. 781 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,840 I'm really tired of listening to you talk about my best friend that way. 782 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,880 I like that a lot. 783 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,880 I love that. 784 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,920 Yes, that's huge. 785 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,920 It's a big one. 786 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:41,920 And there is an opportunity. 787 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,440 It's, you know, one of the challenges on that is we have to restore the true definition 788 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,960 of the word humility in the English language. 789 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,760 It's misdefined. 790 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,640 If you look at the history of that word and where it came from the original representation 791 00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:01,400 or at least one of in Judaism and in Aramaic, I believe it was, I looked it up and it's 792 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,280 more representative as a whole, a full appreciation of oneself. 793 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,280 Right? 794 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,040 I'm not positioning myself as better than others, but I am fully appreciative of who 795 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,640 I am and what I can do. 796 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,480 I don't dishonor that in any way, shape or form versus the English definition, which 797 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,080 says a low esteem for oneself. 798 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:26,840 We get away from the original context of words and words become a distraction of the meaning 799 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,720 and purpose of life when we lose our context. 800 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:32,800 So thank you for everything you've shared, Barbara Ann. 801 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,800 This was fantastic. 802 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,560 Those of you who are listening in the show notes below this will have action steps you 803 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,640 can take, of course, to get involved with Barbara Ann, her social media channel, so 804 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,000 you can follow the source of the resources that are there as well. 805 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,200 Whether you want to talk to 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all the accolades like 817 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,800 Barbara Ann, but you might have something that really needs to come forward for this 818 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,520 world and you might be a stay-at-home parent who hasn't been on the workforce for 20 years. 819 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,980 That's not what we judge leadership based off of. 820 00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:32,760 We judge leadership based off of character and virtues. 821 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,040 If you have that, we're looking forward to seeing you on our stage. 822 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,480 Thank you for the quiet golf clap on that, Barbara Ann, as well. 823 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,600 And Vision Pros, we hope you have a fantastic rest of your day. 824 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,240 We'll see you in the next episode. 825 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:45,240 Take care, everybody. 826 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,240 Bye bye. 827 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:47,240 Thank you for being here today. 828 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,840 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 829 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,640 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward. 830 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,280 This is going to get more and more fun. 831 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,320 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 832 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,040 We'll invite people to participate in the show and thank you for giving us your time 833 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,040 and attention. 834 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:26,440 Have an excellent time building out your vision.