I was already an operator. I'd grown a business as the second command. And it was the, unfortunately,
a visionary that had lost his way, who shut me out as his second command. It was doing
black ops behind my back and making bad financial decisions that I should have been involved
with. It was almost like trying to, I don't know if it was trying to protect himself from
having to be vulnerable about the fact that things don't always go well, or trying to
protect me from having to get my hands dirty in the mud.