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So I will say I have an experience.

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Now I've been an entrepreneur most of my life.

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So I hadn't really worked under someone else

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to see their leadership per se,

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except for a couple of times throughout my life.

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And one in particular, I worked for an organization

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and I was one of the key leaders.

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And the leader that I served under

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was so centered on their goal.

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They weren't people centered, they were goal centered

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to the point that people just didn't matter.

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It was all about how do we get to this goal

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and what do we need to do?

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And I remember sitting back and thinking to myself,

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okay, if this is how you're wanting me to lead others,

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I can't do this.

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I just cannot do this.