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quick to like jump to self and you know when you've been running a business or

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organization for as long as I have now like there will undoubtedly be moments

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where you fall on your face I think the most embarrassing part is when you don't

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know you've fallen on your face right because I think when we've fallen it's

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easy to get up and then brush it off you know we always say that to kids right

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like get up and try again but when you don't know you've fallen it only gets a

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little bit worse right because you're trying to push yourself even though

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you're hurt and so I think for me I have to go back to a time in 2017 2018 where I

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had when we transitioned the organization from a non-profit to a

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public benefit corporation which is a for-profit structure I had the

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opportunity to not build another board and I jumped on it and I jumped on it

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because I thought that the board was holding the organization back