quick to like jump to self and you know when you've been running a business or
organization for as long as I have now like there will undoubtedly be moments
where you fall on your face I think the most embarrassing part is when you don't
know you've fallen on your face right because I think when we've fallen it's
easy to get up and then brush it off you know we always say that to kids right
like get up and try again but when you don't know you've fallen it only gets a
little bit worse right because you're trying to push yourself even though
you're hurt and so I think for me I have to go back to a time in 2017 2018 where I
had when we transitioned the organization from a non-profit to a
public benefit corporation which is a for-profit structure I had the
opportunity to not build another board and I jumped on it and I jumped on it
because I thought that the board was holding the organization back