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conducting it, being in the position of the leader or receiving it, is actually in

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martial arts. Because a good martial arts teacher for me, I always try to do

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that, is in the brunt of the action, right in it. I never liked when my master or I

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taught my students in that way that you sit in the corner of the room and

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you say, yeah, 100 push-ups more. No, I'm gonna do the 100 push-ups with

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them and if I fail and just do 90, who cares? Maybe my best student can do the

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100. Or I always like to do very hard like combat exercises where you fight

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against four people and it's the the aim of the exercise is you can't win it.

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That's a typical strategy in martial arts, going to exercise that you

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can't win. And of course I go first. I need to do that as the martial arts

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teacher.