conducting it, being in the position of the leader or receiving it, is actually in
martial arts. Because a good martial arts teacher for me, I always try to do
that, is in the brunt of the action, right in it. I never liked when my master or I
taught my students in that way that you sit in the corner of the room and
you say, yeah, 100 push-ups more. No, I'm gonna do the 100 push-ups with
them and if I fail and just do 90, who cares? Maybe my best student can do the
100. Or I always like to do very hard like combat exercises where you fight
against four people and it's the the aim of the exercise is you can't win it.
That's a typical strategy in martial arts, going to exercise that you
can't win. And of course I go first. I need to do that as the martial arts
teacher.