I think, yes, they do enslave our soul for sure,
because then it redirects our attention to something.
So whatever words we actually speak,
because once we speak it, we hear it and it becomes truth.
So yeah, it is a very enslaving sort of state of being
and hardly anyone's aware of it.
I also believe that it's not necessarily
just what we speak out, but what we speak inside,
because it's easy to say,
because I hear people all the time, I used to do this,
or like, yeah, today, I don't know, my car,
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
and complain, complain and be like, you know what?
I'm with the flow.
Right, it's, you know, I have to fight traffic today, right?
Like it sets us up for a very serious case
of anxiety and stress, right?
The way we talk about those types of experiences
in our life, they have massive impacts
and ripple effects on how our day ends up going.
And maybe there's not a way for some people
to celebrate traffic, but I would say, ooh,
I get extra time to listen to the music I want to.
I get extra time to sit here and by myself
and appreciate gratitude for things that I have in life.
There's lots of ways you can view that traffic scenario.
Yeah, for sure, 100%, I used to do that all the time,
because I did live in Egypt at some point
and they have traffic.
I mean, if anything, it's just traffic, right?
And so it would be like, I'd be like, okay,
so Divine has a plan somehow.
And it would always turn out that the people
coming to the workshop or whatever meeting I had,
they were also delayed, so no one was really late.
Yes.
It's being in that state of, you know what,
I can't fight life.
Right, or I can, but ooh, you got a big fight ahead of you.
I don't recommend fighting a brick wall.
Well, good, well, as we dive in,
so for the visionaries and entrepreneurs out there,
what are three books or resources that you recommend
they read or consume or follow?
Oh, definitely consume Neville Goddard.
Neville Goddard.
So Neville Goddard is spectacular.
He, forget that he goes into like religious,
he just changes the whole paradigm of religion anyway,
but in general, he died forever ago,
but he's for every part of your life,
whether it's business, relationship, emotions,
Neville Goddard.
And of course, Wayne Dyer.
Wayne Dyer was like my best friend since his books came out,
like as in a book.
Yeah, and the earthing movie.
I know it sounds weird, but there's a movie on YouTube,
it's called the Earthing Movie.
The Earthing Movie.
Movie, and that one is spectacular
because it does shift a paradigm.
And I know when we're busy working and we're doing,
and we're like frazzled, we forget,
we're like so dependent on this,
and we forget that there's an easier way to do things.
Yes, and I just saw it says the science
and the remarkable science of grounding.
Yes.
Yes, the process for those who are listening and grounding
in basic terms of way that I feel it and see it as a layman,
just taking your shoes off and connecting with the dirt
or connecting with the grass.
That's far easier to do in that really super soft grass
you have in Utah compared to the really, really scratchy stuff
that might have a rattlesnake in it in San Antonio, Texas.
Anytime I get the chance to do that,
you might be walking on the sidewalk,
but you might have an opportunity for yard next to you.
Just take your shoes off and walk through the grass
and allow yourself to feel that.
Like that is, it is, it's one of those things that we just,
there's so many people who never take the time for that
or never have a place to go
because we don't intentionally look for it.
It's like, we can't find that.
Go ahead, I wanna know yourself.
Or you live in a cold country like here
where it's snow half the year and you get-
Where are you?
I'm in Montreal.
Montreal, okay, yep.
Yeah, so it's cold most of the time.
So I miss grounding myself,
but even if you can't put your feet on the floor,
hug a tree.
It's anything to get you in nature to merge back again,
because as we get into technology
and other people's energies and humanness,
we disconnect and we become individuals again.
And so you wanna go back into nature
and kind of integrate yourselves back.
So now you're oneness with everything.
All of a sudden your pace goes down.
You become more dependent on source life force energy.
There's no rush, emergency, and I have to finish it now.
Like, okay, yes.
I got absolute goosebumps from that.
And it's, you know, Earth Day's coming up.
So we're celebrating a little bit early, which is good.
Kind of like Valentine's Day and Christmas
and all those other holidays, celebrate them year round.
You know, enjoy the essence of those realities.
So we'll be right back.
We're gonna dive into Rainn's Avon's vision
right after the break.
And after I share a couple of resources with you guys,
we'll see you soon.
All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live.
With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host.
We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs
and guest leaders who are building
fantastic visions out there.
Hey, what's up?
Welcome in to Vision Pros Live.
I'm your show host, Jackson Calame,
founder and CEO of First Class Business.
And I'm excited to have Rainn's Avon here today.
And we're gonna be talking about energy.
We're gonna be talking about healing.
We're gonna talk about some really hidden secrets
that are right in front of us that can help us
move our lives forward,
closer to that of the fulfillment and the purpose
and the passion, the holistic view of like,
if you want more peace, if you want more happiness,
if you want more joy in your life,
the essence of feeling good
and really understanding your world around you
and being able to appreciate the good that's there
and perhaps compartmentalize a bit more,
the negative that we all of course deal with too,
then this episode may be a very impactful one for you,
especially if you haven't talked to somebody
about word choice and the power of subtle words,
words that we're constantly bombarded with in the media,
words that were bombarded with,
if you're on social media,
you are bombarded by a number of controlling words.
We're gonna dive into that a bit today
and talk about how to protect yourself
from the controlling nature of voices
and language that is so predominant in today's culture.
So before we do that though,
I wanna give you a couple of tangible resources,
beyond that, those are tangible,
but these are even more so,
especially for the business owners out there,
we're gonna start with, whoops, wrong way,
a lost spot with Melissa Gray.
Melissa Gray did a great episode with us, by the way,
I would recommend checking that out.
Before I consider any software provider, any service,
I always wanna see who the founder is
and wanna see the culture they're building
because it is easy to build software these days
and software gets displaced constantly.
The last thing you want is a business
that is built upon a software that's gonna go bankrupt
because they don't have great leadership.
Same is true for any service provider as well.
So Melissa Gray is a type of individual
who not only has that ability to be the attorney
you don't necessarily wanna interact with,
but also has the ability to be that nurture
and that calming force that can help you understand
that legal does not have to be complicated.
It can be simplified.
She's got a great new spot on business blueprint as well
to guide you through what are the systems
that you should audit for yourself
and if you have any gaps in those systems,
then I do recommend that you get help with it.
Maybe from Melissa, maybe from somebody else,
interview a few opportunities
and that comes from somebody who has won
a $20,000 trademark lawsuit
when I was at Restaurant Connect.
It's not winning when you lose 20,000
for a brand you already own, by the way,
and also Apple patented our software at one point
and that cost us a lot of time and attention derailing
for a day panicking and freaking out about it.
So it is very helpful to know before you need it
who you're gonna turn to for help and support.
Then there's Andrew Sosin from Recovery Unplugged.
He's not a client of ours.
He did come and have an awesome show
and I love what he's doing
to help people overcome addictions.
There's so many people,
especially in the realm of entrepreneurs
that have certain types of addictions.
They may really love what they do
and they may really wanna escape the rest of life
outside of that because of the isolating process
that is entrepreneurship and visions.
In addition to that, we all know people
who struggle with being present
and being in fully going after life.
They usually say things like, how are you?
And they say, I'm fine.
They're not fine.
Thank you, Mel Robbins for exposing that.
It would be very prudent and helpful
to turn to a resource like Recovery Unplugged
that has a virtual 24 seven hotline to know, what do you do?
How do you inspire somebody to seek the right type
of attention and the right type of help they might need?
They used to be in five locations throughout the States.
They still have those,
but now he's got over 400 team members
and it's a nationwide, I think even a worldwide system.
You might just try calling a number
and testing my theory on that.
I absolutely love how he leads.
Love that he masterminds with Richard Branson
and Robert Kiyosaki.
Those are two leaders that I look up to considerably.
And he also has been to the Tony Robbins events
22 years in a row.
So Andrew's depth of caring about others,
creating an experience to help people overcome
some of the challenges he himself has overcome
and coming from a family myself of extreme addicts.
I know the value of this for my family.
I would want a leader to talk about it if they knew about it.
So if this helps even one of you, I'm grateful for that.
Then there's the water project.
I usually have my water bottle for this segment.
The cool thing is I can walk downstairs
and in two minutes have access to water
or even my bathroom sink.
And I've got better access to water
that millions of people do not have access to.
And I don't say that to rub it in.
In fact, they say that to draw attention
for those of you who said,
wow, how can you say something like that
to remember, well, how do we do something about it?
Why don't we help the millions of people
who don't have access to that?
And that's exactly what the water project does.
They have this amazing system
where you can see which village or town you are helping,
how many people are helped in it.
And when you pay $5 or a dollar or 20
or maybe you pay 200,000, I hope you're that person,
to this cause, you're able to see the effect,
the generational impact, because they show you
with social media and proof
what they've done for those different areas.
Now, maybe you're not in a position
where you can even give a dollar.
My hope is that you just share this
with somebody who might be able to.
We never know the ripple effect
of talking about the good that can be caused.
And if you have a cause that draws your attention
more than this one, there's not a competition here.
Drop the link, let us know about the cause.
We might talk about both on the next show.
Give us the opportunity to help too.
There's 8 billion people out there who need our attention,
who need help, who we could turn, look towards and serve.
Let us be a light to all those who need it.
So without further ado, I'm gonna bring Rain on now.
We're gonna talk all about her vision
and how she's going about helping people
with the words and beyond.
Rain, thank you for being here today.
Hi, Jackson, it's lovely being here.
Absolutely.
Oh, that hurt my heart.
What's that? It hurt your heart?
You felt it.
Yeah, I'm willing to.
Thank you for being willing to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I've seen it.
I lived in Egypt and I've seen that,
the inability to like the, just the building across,
they have water and like half an hour drive, no water.
And so, it's tough.
May we use that, right?
May we use that energy and pain to, again,
take some action to remove some from those
who are really feeling that.
So thank you for diving in reverently to that.
What is your vision?
I'm gonna take you to a higher level too.
Maybe, I don't know, it might be darker.
What is your vision for those that you serve?
Oh God, my vision for those who I serve.
It keeps changing throughout life, eh?
Like that's, I think, from that natural evolution.
Like as I shift, it shifts,
but the basic gist of it has always been,
and I used to always see it where I would see the world
and I would see little lights lighting up.
And these were like humans, you know,
that I would kind of like just touch them.
Like we don't have to spend forever in a day,
but just spark that thing.
And then all of a sudden they wake up to who they are.
Like they just wake up and it's not, it's easy.
It's not like, oh, now we have to go through shadow
like forever, like it's just easy.
And they just light up and now they shed light
to their surrounding environments.
That's my vision.
Well, it makes sense as a spiritual transformational coach.
I could see why you'd gravitate
towards that aspect of the vision.
And visionaries who are listening in,
you all have multiple visions.
I mean, the spiritual world is a reflection
of the physical world as well.
If I look this way, I have a vision
of a beautiful pasture and cows.
If I look this way, I can see a closet.
You know, it doesn't make either one wrong.
It's just a reality.
So it's, I'm glad that you talk about the multiple aspects.
And in your case, you see these humans, these light sources.
Yeah, and they're not necessarily,
because whenever anybody asks me, they're like,
then I have to be a healer.
I'm like, no, please don't.
Like don't change your career.
Please do what you're doing.
But when you wake up in what you're doing,
then naturally it's as if you're shedding light to others
for them to wake up so you don't have to be
one-on-one sessions or workshops or a speaker.
You just have to be present in your environment.
That's like the worker in the factory
or the CEO of a company or the,
like it doesn't matter really.
Let's roll.
Yeah.
There's so many dynamics to that.
What's your vision for you?
What do you see for yourself on the horizon?
Ooh, God, I have so many.
I see traveling the world and,
which I have already traveled most parts of the world,
but I'd like to start that over again.
Traveling the world, meeting different people again
and interacting with different souls.
I see a vision of myself where I have the freedom
to channel what I channel without people freaking out.
And for them to just receive it,
and they can choose to throw it away in the garbage
or keep it, but not to like,
errr, like I'm gonna kill you for telling me this thing.
Right?
Or feeling what you need to feel.
You know, I just, I envision,
just myself keep expanding more and more
and finding that inner peace and being more attuned,
constantly being more and more attuned
because the shadow does creep up.
I mean, I still, my limiting beliefs still show up.
And my shadow still shows up.
And it's a lot easier to talk to them
and deal with them and love them.
But at times they take you by surprise.
So-
I'm grateful for all the people who show up
to see this type of news, right?
We can easily flip the channel
and go and see all the stuff that's going on in politics.
It's been going on for eight years.
I mean, it's always going on,
but the last eight years have almost been a groundhog's day
over and over of fighting and bickering over something
and two people, nobody really having a conversation
or nobody really understands, you know?
And so you can spend all the time you want
doing stuff like that, you know,
or we can spend time looking for holistic individuals
who don't feel the need to fight each other.
And that's what I see in you.
So I hear you, there are people out there who are like,
don't be so woo woo, you know?
And they bring their own mess to the equation,
but that's part of why we seek others out in the world.
That's part of why we, you know,
part of the blessing of the virtual world,
you can find people who appreciate you for you.
I mean, would you agree with that
or do you only believe in local communities?
I'm curious.
Oh, no, no, of course not.
I've lived in 15 countries.
So of course not local communities at all, right?
So definitely expand and meet like different countries.
What countries have you lived in?
Ooh, okay.
You've also, you got Egypt.
Egypt, Malaysia, London, Canada, of course, Switzerland.
The Emirates, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Al Ain, Muscat.
Oh my God.
I pushed you on the spot.
I'm like, wait, there are so many.
I couldn't tell you all the cities I've lived in
or states either actually, but yes, that, okay.
That's a lot.
I wanted to get to the bottom of it.
Okay, that's a lot.
I wanted to get that cultural spread too
of like knowing where you come from
because every culture is so different
and how they communicate and how they see things.
So that's-
Yeah, I've had a fabulous life in that sense
because I don't assign myself to any space
in specific particular.
Like I don't really know.
And I don't get along with specific cultures,
but I understand all of it because I've been around them.
So I'm very accepting from others.
So if I assigned you one, the human race,
is that two boxing in or is that my race?
It kind of does.
It is though.
I don't resonate with it.
Like I don't resonate specifically with it.
Yeah.
Is that because it's all of nature being connected
kind of back to the grounding principle?
I think it's based because from childhood,
we did move a lot and we did move home.
So I had never, there was nowhere I was rooted in
and took on the whole fight for your country.
I didn't take on any of that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
So because I didn't have a home.
So I felt like I was everywhere at home
because I'd go to a country and they're against
the place I used to live in before, right?
And so it didn't make sense.
So I'd hear this point of view
and I'd hear that point of view and they both had-
How does that relate to the human race?
So I'm curious, where does that take you with,
because the human race is all inclusive of all human beings.
So is there a contrast there?
Oh, there's a, the thing is with humans is
when the human race actually gathers,
they gather together when there's a catastrophe
where they're no more an individual.
It's not my country against your country.
It's not who I am against who you are, right?
Humans actually show up as a collective humanity
when they're gonna save someone, save something,
stand together with the same exact cause.
So if you notice, when there's a hurricane somewhere,
you'll find everyone in every parts of the states.
Doesn't matter if you're a left wing, right?
It doesn't even matter all the stuff that I don't understand.
They just become humans, right?
Is that a good thing?
It's a fabulous thing.
Okay, I thought you were saying you didn't-
No, I love that because that's when you actually,
that's when they wake up for a split second
and they're not angry or pissed off or judgmental
or like all of a sudden all that disappears
and it's a state of emergency to care for each other.
Yeah. Yeah.
I don't even know if I answered the question.
No, I liked that.
No, it wasn't really kind of a vague idea more than anything.
And I see the Olympics, the celebration side as well
can often inspire and bring that out.
And again, that goes back to also finding people
who are willing to participate and feel that way.
So that's, yeah, that's important.
Finding communities and belonging is super helpful.
Let's dive into a difficult question.
What is the worst leadership experience that you've ever had?
Oh, goodness.
Okay, I'm gonna say this,
but I've come to a point where I'm just gonna say what I say.
Yeah, good.
It was a kind of mystery school,
meaning I thought it was gonna be amazing.
And the worst leadership was the kind of leadership where,
and it's happening a lot in the spiritual world
and this is what I'm talking about a lot recently,
where it's very control-based.
It's you're going to go through my practices,
the way I do it.
You can't, you're not allowed to know this part of it
until you conquer this one.
And everything you've ever learned before,
delete and erase because that was nonsense.
And that was the worst thing I experienced.
It was two years long and I was just like, this is crazy.
This is absolute nuts, but it's one of those,
and I've seen it quite often.
That was the worst one.
Oh my, we're flooded with it right now.
It's everywhere.
Everywhere, everyone is a guru.
Everyone is a healer.
Everyone's at this and-
Well, and everyone's learned not to say they're a guru too.
Everyone's also learned now not to say they're a guru,
but they still have this essence of massive manipulation
and control that, yeah, it creates a bunch of sheeple.
And you know what's really sad, Jackson,
is the fact that because so many people are awakening
and waking up to truth, oh my God, it makes me want to cry.
Because people are waking up,
it's so easy to manipulate in that state
because you're leaving one world into another,
but you don't know where the other world is, right?
And it's so easy to catch them all the time.
And there are thousands, if not millions waking up.
And these people are just, they're-
I almost said it drives me crazy.
And then I thought through it,
again, back to our topic right on words.
And I thought, actually, no, nowadays it's quite simple.
For me, it just drives me away.
And that's okay.
That's a healthy boundary, right?
This is a big difference between how we let it get to us
and how we lead through it, or how we realize,
you know what, I don't want to leave,
I don't actually want to leave that hot mess.
I'm going to go around and take a detour with,
it's a little bit prettier more.
I love that you said that, and thank you.
As a spiritual transformational leader and coach,
you didn't call anybody out specifically,
but you did talk about this trend of kind of pseudo judgment.
And more importantly, I think it's,
what I see often is the elitism
of if you prescribed in my way of manifestation,
you will get X, Y, and Z no matter what.
And I'm not going to tell you who's failing in my community
and where I'm failing to have my own manifestations align,
but don't you dare challenge me,
or I'm going to kind of send it to you
and make you look bad in front of the whole community
that is pretending with me that we have everything together.
Yes.
Sorry for that.
And I've met a lot of them who will be like,
I want my face to be on billboards,
or I want to become so famous, but you're a healer.
It doesn't mean that you can't make millions.
I disagree with that.
You manifest millions, right?
But the intention, it's all like,
what inside of me is driving me to do that?
I could do a million other careers, right?
But what inside of me do I like to manipulate,
do I like to control?
Have I never been heard or seen?
So this is how I'm going to be heard and seen by others.
Is it from a place of fear, right?
It's driven through fear.
Is it driven through, well, nobody ever gave me attention.
Now I'm going to get, like, where is it coming from?
And if you can dig deep and discover that,
you're going to free so many people from having to go
through this whirlwind when they're already, like,
losing friends and family and confused
and nobody understands, they don't understand themselves,
instead of them having to go there, you know?
So you have a great power as a leader,
and I can see that, Rainn.
You recognize the difference between the virtues
and the vices, as I would label them.
Simplifying my own understanding of it is,
yes, fear can drive results 100%.
So can hate, right?
Those two mechanisms.
Hitler was very successful at driving his vision forward
with a lot of hate and inducing fear into others.
And love and courage, right?
Those can also drive results.
And so we have these different elements
that are easy to say, well, I don't hate people.
I don't want to scare anybody.
Are we willing to dig deeper
and see where we accidentally practice that in our life
or where we allow that to seep in?
We're all susceptible to those powers
and to using those powers.
And we end up practicing worse leadership ourselves
when we irresponsibly don't get feedback,
don't figure out how to move away from the bad
and into the good elements.
Like, this is, thank you.
You are leading the way in a very, very cool way.
Speaking of, what would you say your best leadership
experience has been?
Oh, my best, best leadership experience.
And I understand leadership differently,
but to me, she was a leader
just because she led herself so beautifully.
And she was my second Reiki teacher.
So I took with her,
I became a master Reiki and a teacher with her.
But to me, this woman, and I've gone to everyone, okay?
But this woman, she just knew her stuff.
She trusted herself so much, okay?
And the way she held her,
she was never in any way forcing an opinion.
She's teaching me.
She's my teacher, right?
She's teaching this whole group and she's leading the way.
I mean, I have no other information but from her.
And all of it was given with such dignity,
dignity to me.
Like she gave me my dignity, right?
She allowed me to have my power.
She didn't enforce her power
and her leadership skills on me.
This woman I adore, she lives in Dubai.
That's where I did it.
And I still recommend her today
to anybody who's traveling through Dubai,
living in Dubai.
What's her name?
Golnaz.
How do you spell that, do you know?
Yeah, G-O-L, I just have to type it.
A-G-O-L-N-A-Z.
Okay.
Golnaz Mohamed.
She's Iranian and she, this woman,
gives you more than you asked for.
Oh man, that's great.
I'm excited.
Hopefully we can find a resource from Golnaz
and add it to the action steps as well.
I would love to, if you'd be okay with that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh my God, it's an honor to be the leader.
I adore this woman.
You'll see her, she's just glowing.
You know these people that just glow
and you wanna hug them?
That's exciting.
Yes, of course, you're one of those.
I hope I'm one of those.
Anybody can give me a hug.
Yeah, you are, you are.
You've been hugged.
And John Davis, I believe, Dr. Davis, it looks like.
Appreciate the comments, Dr. Davis,
on the great question aspect.
I believe he was referencing
probably the worst leadership experience we've ever had
because, and yes, so many people gravitate away
from those experiences and talking about them
when there's some of our best history lessons
and opportunities to just figure out
from other people's experiences
what can we reshape in our lives and do better from those.
So thanks for diving on that with me too, Ray.
All right, so moving into.
Can I just add something to that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Sorry.
I'll rewind.
Because I just got the thing.
So basically what I heard was
when people are leaving a program,
and what happens is they wanna find another program, right?
That's what it is.
It's like, I've left a program which is structured.
I know tomorrow, today, I'm supposed to do this, this, this,
and these are the steps, and somebody else is catering.
So naturally, if they're going through their awakening
and they're all like, ah, life is weird,
they want that structure back.
They want a program.
So that's what happens.
So that's why it's easy for them to fall there.
It's not that they've lost wisdom.
It's just they're moving from a program to a program.
That's right.
And that's all it is.
That's a really good way to put it.
That's that fear of the unknown, right?
It can easily push us into something.
I mean, anything, structure.
Please, just don't let me sit here in that awkwardness.
I like that, moving into,
and they're gonna find a new program.
That's a really good way to put it.
If this was your last chance, the last time,
to share one powerful lesson,
what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn
from your experience, Rain?
Oh my God.
Doubting yourself is your biggest demise in life.
There is nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing
that is worth anyone doubting themselves.
No matter who tells you,
you don't know how to speak to me.
It's not time to talk to me now.
This isn't the right way to speak.
You're not approaching it right.
Wait, you are this, you are that.
Talk and act and be and da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
If you feel in your heart the truth of what is happening,
do not doubt how you speak, how you act,
what you do, what you believe in and who you are,
as long as you're kind.
I'm not talking to narcissists here.
I'm talking to the kind people of this planet.
Don't doubt that inner voice.
It is always whispering truth.
Wow.
Okay, I've had 204 episodes now, I believe,
that we've had, and you are the first leader
out of everybody to do what you did right before asking,
right before answering that incredibly deep question.
And it only validates further
what I consider so valuable.
The question we asked from the beginning,
the words we speak enslave and control our spirit.
It is amazing how few people will stop and contemplate
that question before they answer it.
Like this is the chance, you know, and you lived that.
You were willing to live that with me fully.
Now, maybe I have 204 people who've come on the podcast
that were very fast processors.
That's very possible.
So I don't mean to take anything from them,
but that, what you did right there is something
that is very important for my life as well.
To be able to stop, reflect, totally pull from,
whatever you just did.
Can you describe that for the audience?
What did you do when you took that moment
of probably seven to eight seconds silence?
Okay, so what I did was,
I knew that a question always provokes an answer
and I have to be immediate.
But I knew if I'm immediate,
I'm going to be giving from my brain
and a program that I have, that I'm used to saying.
But if it was such an important question,
what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn
from your experience?
And it's a very important question.
I have to get it from somewhere else.
I can't get it from my program.
So I had to go into complete silence
and hear the program speak, because they speak,
it speaks so fast, our brain speaks so fast.
It's gonna go, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo,
and then it'll go silent.
And then I can hear what, like,
what is the best thing that I ask and I receive?
So it's knowing how valuable this question is.
Wow, that's amazing.
I'll add some color commenting to it.
So there's, I had a great therapist
who was teaching our family
and he taught us about the three levels of listening.
And I knew two of them already at that point.
So I felt pretty smart.
But the third one blew my mind.
So she says, first, we can react like an animal.
If I put my hand in front of a frog, for instance,
it's gonna jump backwards and I can catch it very easily.
Just boom, said that it's gonna happen every time.
Why?
Because most animals react to situations.
And even humans, we do that too.
Two, I can also respond.
And I was like, yeah, that's what you're supposed to do.
You're supposed to respond to somebody's question.
Or three, we can listen to understand.
And I was like, my mental brain just like shut
when he said that, I was like, what?
Like, I thought you were supposed to respond.
No.
There's an understanding part.
There's a maybe asking more questions
or really getting it.
So I love that you walked us through a new way
of looking at that.
That will help facilitate my own ability
to also understand to greater capacity
as I move into opportunities to answer questions
and remembering too the physical mechanisms
that we forget about.
There is a brain inside there.
It's a contraption and it does do something.
And if we aren't cognitive of reprogramming it
or realizing that we actually have more control over it,
if we're just willing to be patient through that process,
we can access new levels of wisdom, depth,
consideration, perspective, paradigm,
whatever we wanna call it.
So thank you for enlightening us with that.
Moving into, go ahead.
You got one more thought.
I have something to say.
Okay.
All I wanted to say was the word patience, right?
So it just clicked when you said that.
I'm like, yeah,
cause people are not patient with themselves.
That's the thing.
So it's usually be patient with this,
be patient with life, be patient with source,
be patient with the manifestation.
But nobody ever has noticed that,
but you're impatient with yourself.
Like you can't even find patience inside.
Like, wait, let me breathe.
Okay, so this is speaking, but I have a heart
and I just give patience, but to me, right?
Cause there's this frazzled person inside,
like the old me or the me of a different idea
or the me that shows up whenever I'm in a bad place, right?
Would answer this question.
I'd be like, okay, okay, you have to answer now.
Make a good impression, da, da, da, da, da,
whatever the thing is saying, right?
So I'm not patient even with myself.
So I think the messages that I'm hearing is
be patient with stuff, forget everything else.
Forget life, forget others, forget, forget,
be patient with your kids.
Just be patient with you.
Yep.
Absolutely.
You know, in the news that we love so much in the world
would have taken what you just said with no patience
out of context and said, she just said, forget everybody.
You know, and they would turn this into a big article
about how nasty you are and how awful you are to people.
How could you, you know, who are we gonna follow somebody
who's that selfish?
And they would miss the reality that what you said
was about centering yourself so that you can
show up really well for others in life.
And the value of both, there's not a negative there.
No, but it doesn't even make sense if I can't be patient
with me, then I'm definitely not patient with anyone
because I haven't done patience.
You used to use a Sharpie.
Yeah, I understand what you're saying with the news.
I don't watch the news.
I have no idea what's happening in the world.
Like at all.
That's kind of derogative.
That's true.
I do keep an eye on it actually daily.
And I'll, that's a very quick eye to the process.
And mostly because honestly, it fascinates me to see
that the same two people are in the news every day
when nothing new, it's like, I like, I wanted to take
a screenshot of it.
Like how do people spend so much time on this
when there's nothing new being said about it anyway?
So I used to run on my wrist.
You know what's true?
What's the fact though?
Not the fact, what I interpreted as Jackson,
because I'm so many clients boredom.
Yeah, sure.
They won't know what they, if you don't have something
to fight for, the system starts to feel bored.
And boredom is scary because now I have no purpose.
Right.
It's an addiction.
It's a loop.
I've lost my purpose, my identity now.
So of course the news, they have to go on and on.
I have mine too.
I get, my current biggest addiction is sports highlights.
And I love to catch my sports highlights.
I mean, I miss playing it.
I'm in the back surgery.
I don't, I don't do that anymore.
But sometimes I get myself far down the rabbit hole
of sports highlights.
And yeah, it's not that I don't not like the highlight
or want to see it, but sometimes it is very much a,
you know, a single father of four world is sometimes hard.
And sometimes it's just easier to dive into that
than to want to feel I miss my kids, you know?
So there's lots of things that we do
and they don't have to be alcohol and drugs
to call it an addiction.
When we become aware of what's there,
we can then move purposely back to, well, you know,
and Jared Button, I'm gonna give a shout out to him.
He came on the show, one of the best coaches
I've ever met.
I mean, I think so.
He was that fast that he had that big of an impact.
But the guy has an amazing capacity
of helping people understand the correlation
between happiness and suffering and how they work together.
So it's, anyway, there's so many ways,
ways we can explore that.
I did promise more time to the audience
about talking about how words we speak in slave
and control our spirit and then exploring our shadows too.
You mentioned that I'd love to give you some time
to just dive into whichever component you feel as best
as the teacher or coach in this occasion.
It's your turn to just guide us on that.
We'll pull your website up in the meantime.
Okay. Oh, my website I'm re-fixing.
Well, good, you're human.
You could use it.
It's like a baby, it's constantly growing.
I'm like, you know, yeah.
But okay, so words and the shadow.
So words, the most important thing,
what words hold are vibrations.
I'm not gonna say anything crazy.
I think there's everything, everybody knows.
I mean, people are gonna call us crazy.
Yeah, but it's, right, you're with me.
Okay, so what we know is words have vibrations, right?
And they have a certain frequency.
So let's say I come and say, oh, do, do, do, do you?
And you have no idea what that means.
You'd be like, oh, that's a nice vibration.
But if I say something like you suck, right?
You're gonna be, huh, right?
You gave meaning to it.
South Park's really good at this, by the way.
South Park for arguing, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble.
We all know what that means.
Yes, exactly.
We have no idea, right?
Well, I mean, we do, like, they use rabble, rabble
when they wanna create argument, right?
So it's that tone and cadence is a vibration to it.
Yes, so it's the vibration of the words and the sound.
So what's amazing is that words actually have no meaning,
right, they really mean nothing,
except how we interpret them once we learn the language,
right, so people travel around the world
and they learn the swear words in most countries, right?
Oh, I know how to say this.
Right?
That's the words they know.
But in general, if someone swore at you in a language
you have no idea what it is and they're smiling,
you would never know.
You know what's cool?
I am proof of this because I was, and don't get me wrong,
I was not the perfect kid, I had all my problems too.
But in Spanish, for some reason, the contrast,
the contrarian in me, I refused to learn the bad words
when I was in high school.
I decided not to when I went on a mission to Uruguay
and people would get upset at us.
The other missionaries would get offended
and it had no effect on me whatsoever.
I was like, hey, whatever, and they became my friends
because I didn't get upset about these childish
bullying techniques that had no effect
on the guy who didn't get it.
So.
Isn't that amazing though?
It's amazing, yes, I made for great friends
with people who otherwise would have never talked to me
because I just didn't understand.
So it taught me the power of,
like it's just a word in a dictionary,
like again, do anything to you.
And it has really no meaning at all
except for how we interpret it to be, right?
So I remember when my kids, they're like,
mommy, why is the middle finger a bad finger?
Is it wrong?
Did it do something wrong?
I'm like, not really, not that I'd like them to go around
using their middle finger, but in general,
I'm like, well, world gave it a meaning.
I have to have the opposite effect.
So I don't get a whole lot of time with my kids, right?
So instead of getting to know, like those questions
they don't come up with me very often.
So I'm like, all right, you're 12, 10 and eight now.
Like what does it mean?
What does this, who's gonna, and my oldest,
my 12 year old is always the safest.
She's like, I don't know.
I'm like, you know, my 10 year old, he's like, I know.
You know, my eight year old's like, I know too.
And she won't, and I'm like, all right, Emerson,
can you say it for me?
I was like, go ahead.
I was like, you're in a safe space, we're at home or not.
And he says the word and I see my girls, you know,
like the vibrations that is, you know,
but those, the point is I don't want my kids
to be overpowered by something as simple
as a sound that comes out of a mouth.
They have the ability to have strength and control
over that versus being controlled by it.
Yes.
That's my thought and feeling.
Yes, no, I totally agree with you.
A hundred percent agree with you.
And I also believe that, cause I don't, I don't, I don't,
well, I choose not to swear just because I know
that I've already attached a meaning to it.
So it's already vibrating in that negative vibration
inside me.
Yeah, I abandoned those.
I can't, I can't disconnect them anymore.
I got you.
Right, you know what I mean?
The word has already-
That's a gift for me.
And I think it's cause I grew up in two homes,
one with love and one with hate,
where I got to experience both
and I gravitated towards the love.
But as I saw Gary Vaynerchuk, you know, F-bomb like crazy,
and I thought, you know, who does he serve?
Who's his audience?
And he's serving the hood.
You know, that's literally where he came from.
He's trying to help people grow.
He's not trying to help your average, you know,
stay at home, 20 year old, you know,
with a mom and a rich family in Utah.
He's trying to help people get out of a circumstance
where they've got almost no other options.
And in those types of homes,
the words F-you can be very close to the words.
In fact, they could probably mean more in a lot of cases
than thank you and then I love you,
especially if you grew up in an abusive relationship
where somebody says, I love you, whack.
You know, I love you, whack.
Like that, there's gonna be a certain triggering effect
on people who have to go through that.
My friend, a great, great entrepreneur,
Caesar Torres taught me that.
When he taught about trigger words and he said,
for him, the word stupid is the most offensive word
in his language.
And like never ever use that with him
because it triggers him because of the way his dad
used that word in relation to him or others.
And, you know, I decided, I was like, you know,
I really don't want to give words that power over me.
And I started to explore the depths of meanings of words
so I could let go.
Works for me, maybe not for everybody,
but it's so helpful to know that we can break free
or to know what we can avoid.
Now I like that.
I like that you've disconnected, you've disattached from it.
Not that you necessarily wanna use it now every day,
but if you hear it or it comes your way,
it just slides off of you.
It doesn't become a thing.
And who knows this, but like I'm LD,
I'm of the church of Jesus Christ, you know, Mormon.
And like, Cassine's like not, like a no go.
Like, you know, there's people who get very upset
about words like darn and shoot and stuff.
And it's like, and so it's a very weird environment
to be in and know that, okay, I gotta be careful still,
even though I have no association with the same,
same type of challenge that I used to grow up with.
So it's weird, but it's important, right?
If you wanna relate to communities.
Right? What?
You're still with the church?
Oh yeah.
Yep, definitely.
And what was that?
You don't swear in front of them.
No, no, it's that, well, it's a respect.
I might use it as a, as a means of, of,
so again, with a purposeful intention of, you know,
like how do we make room and space for others
if we can't make room and space for dialects?
And that's really what Cassine is at the end of the day
is it's a dialect and it's a reflection of anger,
which is a fake emotion, a surface level emotion
that means there's something deeper going on.
How do I, how do I discover the steps
so we can move beyond whatever's really felt?
How do I, how do I position myself to be able to listen
without them controlling the spirit that I have access to?
That's my thought on it.
Yeah, I would recommend you to watch Osho.
Have you ever read?
Uh-uh, what is it?
How do you spell it?
Look it up on YouTube, it's O-S-H-O.
Okay, I can spell that.
And he has an entire video.
He's like this guru with a beard and a thing
and he writes books and he's the best seller.
But look at that video, it's all about the F word.
He just uses it in every, it's hilarious.
Okay, he's basically talking about Americans
and how they use the F word in everything.
Okay.
And he's like a spiritual guru.
Right, and that's what's, it does not affect him.
No, and it's hilarious.
And it might have at some point, but it's pretty cool
when our words become resources that are simply for,
you know, our own gain and our own ability to access power.
Yeah.
Okay, shadows.
You got a few seconds, a few minutes to go into shadows.
Okay, oh, definitely.
So shadows for me, I wrote a whole book called
Discover the Gifts of Your Disempowered Self.
Disempowered Self basically are your shadow self.
You're limiting beliefs in your shadow self.
And the shadow basically is the version of you
that has been shamed, guilted, denied,
stuffed in a closet, bashed, yelled at, unheard, unseen.
And the shadow aspect of us basically is the version of me
that I don't show the world.
Okay, so it's a hidden version of me.
But that version of me actually has
all the amazing virtues of me, right?
So let's say if I was a kid and I would be like,
I have something exciting to share with a parent
and the parent would shut me down, right?
Excitement now lives in the shadow
because now there's shame, right?
So it's figuring out,
because we're all running away from our shadow
or trying to release the shadow,
but not bringing the shadow into the light,
meaning let me look at my shadow
because that's where my true identity actually exists.
This persona that I've come up with of like,
oh, I'm cheerful, extrovert,
but all the whole titles things around, that is not truth.
That is something I created to protect myself, right?
To be liked and to be valued from this image that I have
that is in the light.
It's being seen, because it's being approved of.
But there's a shadow me and that's what I dig up for people.
It's not that I go digging, but I keep opening it up
and I'm like, look, let's go into your shadow.
Give me all your beliefs,
all the things that whisper in your head,
all the time, like, you know, nobody loves you.
Oh, look at that, you know,
he's gonna choose her instead of you and all that stuff.
I wanna hear it,
because that's only covering up the jewel inside
who's actually you.
Because then that's when people start to recognize
their soul gifts.
Because that's where your magic lies,
your spirituality, your gifts,
your like if you thought you were a procrastinator
for so long, it turns out you're not, right?
But you became because that it was shamed out of you,
like you've been shamed into it.
And it's just so delightful to look at shadow
without being afraid of the shadow.
So I didn't call it shadow, I called it disempowered self.
Because shadow for me, when I started shadow work,
and I used to see dark entities before,
it would freak me out.
I don't wanna work with my shadow already,
I'm seeing shadows everywhere.
I get scared to go to the bathroom alone.
I was a very terrified child in teen and 20 and 30.
So I decided to call it a disempowered self.
If it's a, this is with the thing with words, right?
If I use the word shadow,
I won't wanna go near it as often.
I will wanna get rid of it because shadows are scary.
When we're small and we see a shadow, we scream.
If we're adults and we see a shadow, we scream.
But if I give it a new name,
if I say it's a disempowered version of self,
it's a disempowered self, I will have pity for it.
I will now empathize and have compassion
to care for this disempowered version of me.
She lives here, can I go check her out?
I don't wanna get rid of her, I don't wanna delete her.
I don't wanna shame her,
I don't wanna go to different healers
to please let me feel happy.
I don't wanna any of that.
All I wanna do is there's a disempowered version of me
that exists, I wanna just take care of her.
And words.
Right.
That is so important.
And language.
I am so glad you passionately explained
your version of that too,
because the words drive us towards different illusions,
realities, understandings.
And so as you talked about that,
I wouldn't have gotten all of the depth of empathy
and nurture and care.
My side, I guess I gravitate more towards the science
than I realized, because my side saw a light switch.
Something that I can control.
If somebody disempowered me and turned my light switch off,
why have the power to find a switch and turn it back on?
But the power of having access to left brain, right brain,
definitions on that, it puts us in a stronger position
to take action and to make a choice.
So I love what you taught.
I gotta give a big shout out to the person
who really inspired me over the last couple of years
to step out into the public without knowing,
he doesn't know me, but JP Sears.
JP Sears, the comedian and coach slash business coach now.
If any of you don't know who he is,
you should definitely go check out
some of his most popular videos.
He has turned highly political and what he does,
and that's okay.
He stepped into exactly who he wants to be and how.
And he speaks with such grace on that subject
that I realized just a couple of years ago,
I was like, man, I have hidden from so many things
within myself.
I never ever grew my hair out
because I hated my curly hair.
This is the first time ever.
And it was-
You know, it's so sexy and beautiful.
Like-
Take it.
I'll take it.
Yeah, it totally like suits you.
You know what's funny?
My son wanted to grow his hair out
and I would never let him.
And it, because, you know, religious standards,
be strict, blah, blah, blah.
You know, professional demeanor, all this stuff.
Again, not trying to be sacrilegious on any of that stuff,
but that wasn't it.
It was my own self-deprecating thoughts.
It was my own insecurities that were actually-
So when I finally met his little friend
who looked like a little rendition of Jesus
with his long hair, and I was like,
oh, you want to be like him.
I was like, that makes more, okay.
My son's got this Thor-like hair.
I mean, he could look like a little version of Thor
if he grew it out.
So I said, you know what?
I'm going to grow my hair out with you.
You know, that was what it was all about.
He cut his hair.
I don't know if his mom made him or if he did it,
but I was like, dude, you're panicking.
It was one of the like scariest things to do.
And it, you know, every time I got a little comment
from somebody, you know,
the disempowered Jackson wants to run back into that hole.
And I said, you know what?
No, I'm 36 years old now.
You know, I can do this until I donate it.
You know, like that's, that's what I'm going to do.
If I wanted, it's not like the new mission,
but thank you, Rain.
Like the amount that you've opened for me in the session,
the amount that you have the power to open
and others as a transformational coach,
like it just, you just radiate virtue.
And I know that when, in the show notes, everybody,
everybody's listening,
you're going to see action steps that you can take.
We'll get your book in there so that people know
then go to the book.
We'll get the website, of course too.
And then every other type of resource that we can put
in there to help people know what steps to take next.
We want those in there.
My invitation to anybody listening as a visionary
is in the top right corner,
there'll be a button that says, be our guest.
That's an invitation to you listening.
We'd love to have your holistic vision.
If you're up to serving others
or you have the desires to, it's not called plan pros.
It's called vision pro.
So you don't have to be the Elon Musk
who's already on his way to Mars.
You can also be the people who are just getting started.
If it's holistic, we want to hear about it.
Rain, do you have anything that you want to add
before I wrap up?
All I want to add is,
if everyone can jump off the wagon of healing,
stop healing, done, it's done.
And just go into self-discovery, change the words,
get rid of healing as a word and get into self-discovery.
Your lives will change,
your attitude towards yourselves will change
and who you pursue to help you self-discover
is going to shift and change.
So that's what I would love to share with everyone.
And yeah.
Already has a big impact on me.
I am going to be meditating that today, tonight.
And thank you.
You've given us so much value today.
And all you vision pros listening in,
we will see you in the next episode.
Take care, everybody.
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