We arrived here last year in November, and so it's been just a little bit over half a
year and we feel very good here.
Yeah.
Yes.
Absolutely.
That's awesome.
I've heard amazing things about it.
My favorite thing about it was one of my favorite resources.
And so I say my favorite things I've never been.
There's a Ted talk by a guy, I can't remember how to pronounce his name, but it's called
Everything We Know About Addiction Is Wrong.
And he talks about a case study of Portugal and prisons and how they do things differently
in terms of helping people reintegrate into society and how they belong in society helps
people move away from addiction.
And I thought it was just a brilliant concept.
And I was like, wow, that's neat.
It'd be so cool if our world leaders would openly learn from each other.
And hopefully they do about what is working in different countries and some problems together.
So what's your favorite thing about Portugal so far?
I think as we came here in November, and November is already pretty rainy and muddy in Germany,
and we had beautiful sun and we were able to go surfing.
That's a big part for me that we have here wonderful waves and beaches to go surfing,
which we don't really have in Germany.
So that was just a like, oh, yes, this feels really, really right.
And yeah, that was one thing that.
Yeah.
And the people are just super friendly and chilled and nice.
Yeah.
That's, that's awesome.
So those two dynamics, I'm a big fan, it reminds me of what I experienced in Uruguay as well.
And I could most most coastal cities bring a certain deal of happiness about them.
So not a bad idea to live by the coast.
So cool.
We're going to be talking about fully engaging in your hero's journey and one's hero's journey
and living with purpose.
Two amazing people who've gone from Germany to Portugal and are very much living a hero's
journey.
That's a big reason why I'm excited to have you guys on the call.
Let's dive in first to some of the resources.
If there were resources, three resources or books that you'd recommend for other visionaries
who are on this journey we call life, what would they be?
Yeah, it's a tough question.
But the first thing that came to my mind is actually Qigong.
Wherever you want to learn that in whatever institution or school, but that changed our
lives tremendously.
And it's that it's that beautiful blend of meditative practice with an embodiment practice.
And I think that is so important for whatever you do.
There are more top athletes picking up Qigong.
There is there are more CEOs picking up Qigong recently because they they understood that
there is something in that.
And I mean, in Asia, that is a tradition thousands of years old.
And every master and every politician knew about it.
Wow.
Yeah, that is big.
And how do you spell it?
Remind me.
So it would be QI.
Got that wrong already.
Yeah, I mean, there are many spellings out there because the Chinese would write it in
characters they they never spelled it.
That's true.
I don't know how they do that, man.
That's that takes talent, a lot of talent in of itself.
OK, so and yes, I've seen it.
CHI, Qigong as well.
We'll make sure to if you could do us a favor, if you could link to some type of resource
to introduce the layman's about it, that would be a fantastic way to help me take that step
of saying, OK, cool, I want to I want to learn about this and we'll put that on the landing
page.
That would be resource two and three.
Well, two, I thought like we you already mentioned it.
We work with the heroes journey.
So that's a powerful concept.
And I can recommend all the Joseph Campbell work.
It's just amazing.
It's deep.
It's not easy to read, for sure.
But it's fascinating.
And I mean, there are other resources about the heroes journey online or or some pretty
nice documentaries on YouTube.
The hero's journey is just powerful.
Awesome.
You got a third.
Well, third now is well, that's a bit nerdy, but I can just say like episode four, classical
in 1977 Star Wars.
Because it is the hero's journey in in a beautiful format.
You have everything you have the mentor, you have the the lightsaber passed on to you from
your father and.
Wow.
It is a masterpiece.
It is so easy to take for granted, right?
What's what's been talked about so much.
But why?
Why not relive it and appreciate what what was gifted to us?
So those are fantastic resources.
We're going to be right back.
We're going to dive right into Camilla and Sasha's vision.
And yeah, I'm excited for the show, guys.
All right.
Welcome in to Vision Pros Live.
With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host.
We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic
visions out there.
What's up and welcome into another episode of Vision Pros Live.
I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO of First Class Business.
I am so excited to have Camilla and Sasha on board today from the Hero Tribe.
We're going to be talking about really probably one of my favorite least talked about subjects,
the hero's journey, the ability to really appreciate this thing we call life.
There's so many people that just go right for the destination or lose sight and get
focused on that.
I've done that many times throughout life, actually, and being able to remind yourself
that, OK, today matters.
Being able to recognize that, you know, is that are we on a journey that's leading towards
purpose, towards fulfillment?
It's just it's excellent to have masterminds and conversations with people like Camilla
and Sasha.
So we're doing just that on your visionary journey, especially those who are entrepreneurs.
I've got some resources up here that I highly recommend.
The first being the Lost Spot.
The Lost Spot is a company run by Melissa Gray.
She came on this show.
When you're when you're considering who you might work with for different purposes in
business, it's important to evaluate your options.
I was a pretty unwise steward in my first couple of ventures, and I found that most
ventures are they either hire somebody or retainer without doing a lot of research.
Well, we didn't have somebody in our team and we had to face a trademark lawsuit.
It cost us twenty thousand dollars to start up.
We won.
But did we?
I mean, we lost twenty thousand just to protect the name we already had and owned.
And coming across Melissa, she was a breath of fresh air.
I know somebody who has a heart, who has a family, who isn't scared to listen and doesn't
act like she knows everything.
But at the same time, she has the ability to simplify legal.
I've been very impressed with her.
It's been fun to work with her as she is a client of ours as well.
And I just I can't speak enough about her as a leader.
And I think she knows and others know.
I wouldn't say that if she was struggling with her leadership skills.
But it's one of my favorite things about her.
She continues to build this brand out.
We got her event coming up in Dallas on April 16th.
If you're local and listening in, join us at that event for first class networking.
Then there's Recovery Unplugged.
Recovery Unplugged is not a client of mine.
Andrew Sosin came on the show, though, and he threw down some serious value.
And I love that he is helping people overcome addictions.
And he's got over 400 employees.
He's a great leader.
He is at a Richard.
He was at a Richard at a mastermind on Richard Branson's Island with Richard Branson and
Robert Kiyosaki of Rich Dad Poor Dad.
He's been to just this last year.
He's been to Tony Robbins event 22 years in a row.
And that man, for me, is one of the men leading the pack of how do we how do we help inspire
people?
How do we motivate people?
How do we get people connected?
So all that to me speaks to the type of program you might be anticipating as you go into this.
One of the coolest things, one of the best blessings of COVID was the fact that a lot
of things had to go online that weren't available online.
They used to have four or five in-person locations.
Now they've moved towards an online model that empowers more people globally with the
ability to overcome what they struggle most with.
Entrepreneurs, I'm looking at you.
We have addictive personalities.
It can be very important to turn to this type of resource.
Or if you know somebody who is really struggling or they're struggling, they don't realize
it, you might call this hotline and find out what will be some techniques and ideas for
helping you help your loved ones overcome the challenges that they face.
Now I'm without my assistant today, so forgive me for not sharing the appropriate screens
the right way.
Let's make sure to do this right for my favorite thing to talk about, which is the water project.
And why is that?
Because I've never had to worry about water.
Sasha and Camila got to see me say, hold on, guys, I'll be right back.
And I'm going to get water for my kitchen.
We are so blessed to be able to get that from our kitchen fast.
There are so many people in the world.
There's millions like this child right here.
If you're viewing the screen that doesn't have access to clean drinking water and they
might walk for miles and be missing school, their parents might have to leave work to
go get water to provide the basic necessities for their family.
And it's not even necessarily safe water.
I know most of you listening are like me and you're kind of scared of your water from your
kitchen sink.
Imagine going to a water hole and providing that to your children when you get home.
I can't let my heart forget the reality that there are millions who don't have access to
it.
And I don't want to be consumed by doubt and fear and darkness.
I'd much rather realize that these kids celebrate water like my kids celebrate Christmas Day.
And we have the opportunity to give, it can be one dollar, it can be five hundred thousand
dollars funding many of these projects.
And next thing you know, you've made a generational impact on people whose lives will be changed
forever by creating their own borehole well or sand dam.
And you get to see the outcome of your results because the way Water Project manages this
program.
So I just again, if you're not in a position to give back either, I'm not trying to say,
hey, you know, ignore covid economics and how much it's hurt you.
My request is to do what I'm doing.
Just share it.
Just tell people about it.
You never know the ripple effect that will be caused by going about doing good and sharing
opportunities for growth.
If you have a cause you'd like to see me talk about, then absolutely submit it to us or
just send a comment.
Let us know about it.
We might promote it on this show.
The goal is to help the eight billion and we can do that by working together.
So without further ado, Camilla and Sasha, I'm going to bring them on stage.
We're going to talk all about the hero tribe.
This is something we can all relate to.
We are all literally experts at this process, in my opinion, and some of us live it more
fully than others.
So thank you both for being here today talking to us about the hero tribe, what you do, sharing
your vision.
I'm absolutely honored to have you two on the show.
Thank you.
We're super blessed to be here as well with you.
Awesome.
So we're going to dive into the first question.
Either one of you can take it, of course, and we'll do our best for the audience to
keep it clear and brief on each side, but also profound while maintaining the typical
time structure of our show.
But I'll let you guys decide who's going to speak and who's not.
We'll interrupt each other as professionals do.
So what is your vision for those that you serve?
Yeah, our vision for those where we have the honor to serve is that they remember again
that they are the hero, the main character of their life and the power that comes within
this realization and remembering as well.
Because I think when we are born, there is no question about it.
We are the main character of our life.
We just kind of ask and take whatever we want.
And then you go through life and you get conditioned by society, by family, by friends, by everything.
And you start to forget about it because no one is also telling you it.
And so that is our vision that those who are working with us, those who are crossing our
path, that they remember they are the hero of their life and they take also responsibility
and taking this power to create and go after what their soul and their heart is telling
them to do and not what maybe, yeah, even with the best family and friends think you
should do.
So that's our vision for them that they reach this point.
And yeah, it's just as you just mentioned when you said like the ripple effect of just
telling about it.
We really believe that it has such a big ripple effect if you go and you are happy and fulfilled
in your life to everyone around you and the whole environment and serving this world in
this way.
Absolutely.
For those who don't see the obvious connection between what Camilla just said and what we
believe in, that's what Vision Pro's life is all about.
It's about the reality that if you're listening in right now, it's because we know you're
a visionary.
We know that you're designed to create something amazing for your life and a purpose that's
great and the more that we have people positively reinforce that, the more likely people will
start to step in and own that reality and have a safe space to do so.
I will say there's a segment, there's certainly people in the world who from day one, they
face the opposite, right?
Where they're told they're not worth anything.
The world doesn't revolve around them.
They're not in a position to embrace that.
Our hope, my hope, I know it's y'all's hope too, is to inspire those individuals to learn
to change that mindset, learn to see the value that they are.
I love what you're doing.
For you guys, well, Sasha, let's talk about your side of that.
What is your vision?
How do you add on top of that?
You get the fun role of color commentating where we get to try to make it sound good
and you get to come in and-
That's really easy.
Well, there's not much that I can add, I just feel like also there is no other position
in the hero's journey than being on the 12, well, nowadays it's 12 steps.
And I always remind people in our tribe and our academy about this.
There is no step number 13 outside of the scope of your beautiful life journey where
you are unfolding, the only thing that can happen is that you're stuck.
And people manage, unfortunately, to get stuck for decades.
Some people manage to get stuck in the status quo all of their lives.
And the only thing we need to do is move internally or externally, doesn't really matter.
And if we, like we already said and established, if we would all do that to a certain degree,
I believe that everything will change, the whole planet will change.
And many of the things that we manifested collectively comes from people in their encrusted,
hurtful self, which is not living their true potential.
And so they do things that they normally would never do.
Absolutely.
We're going to move from your visions personally, because I think we're seeing it unfold.
We all live this hero's journey.
You can always direct back to it, but there's an important subject I really want your opinion
on.
And that is the subject of investing in ourselves, which comes in many forms.
We invest in ourselves everything that we do.
If I decide to watch Netflix, I'm investing my time in that.
If I decide to hang out with certain people that are off color, I'm investing my time
and attention in those individuals that might be deciding to bring me down.
My question for you guys as leaders is why do leaders, people who have a clear vision,
they want to be the hero for their vision, why do we sometimes tend to hide from funding
our visions, from investing in ourselves and our visions?
Why do we do that?
What just comes to my mind on that spot is I think the whole funding, investing, investing
time, money, energy, there is a lot of scarcity around there, especially also money.
More or less, wherever you turn to, it's always like, oh, it's little and people complaining
and they don't have enough.
They don't have also enough time and money, energy, everything.
And so with a vision, the point is that it's also you are investing in something into the
unknown.
You have some ideas and sometimes it's also difficult to really project yourself into
this future self or future life of you.
And you just think, okay, this could be the moment where I feel even more free and fulfilled,
but I'm not sure about it.
And so there comes a lot of scarcity in investing something that has such a high value and not
knowing will it actually bring me where I want to go.
And I think that's where a lot of people hold back and what we always also, people who do
come across the hero tribe and considering going on a journey with us, we're very often
they then refuse because, hey, well, okay, I might be not so happy.
Like the whole thing starts them to negotiate with yourself about your status quo and think
like, yeah, in a way my job sucks, but yeah, I do get my bills paid with it.
And I do have some hours on the weekend for free time.
That's not that bad, but you avoid the emotional pain actually that comes with it.
Nice.
So I heard mindset, scarcity mindset mentioned in there.
I heard you talk about the doubt being something that also leads us to the fear of the unknown,
right?
I'm like, I don't know if I can do this.
And in addition to that, the comfort zone, right?
Of like, well, this is what I do know.
This is where I was safe, right?
So I can hear a lot of that.
Do you want to add any more to this question, Sasha, or do you want to move into how we
can inspire visionaries and leaders to fund their vision, to invest in themselves?
Yeah, maybe I take the bridge to how.
And well, one thing that from the work we do observing so many heroes journeys as this
universal blueprint of human development, how we also call it, what we can definitely
say is we humans are onions.
We humans have layers upon layers upon layers.
I have layers as doggy would say, keep going.
And they are beautiful layers and they are blocked layers.
And very often, especially people who are established in some fields in their life,
they sometimes assume that, hey, I'm unblocked, everything works out.
And that is never the case.
I don't know, I haven't worked with the Dalai Lama or some high established master on the
heroes journeys.
I trained with them, but I haven't mentored them.
Maybe they have cleared all their onion layers, but normal people, even super successful people
don't.
And that's totally fine.
So from the heroes journey perspective, how to clear that is inwards, piercing more layers
of the onion in time, because you can't do that all at the same time.
Just take time.
Extra tip is never forget that everything embodies in your physical self.
You can't solve it just emotionally or with your brain.
You need to embody it.
I love that.
I haven't used that word that way before.
I'm a big fan of heart and mind.
And that to me is defined by that word embody, which again, I know it's bigger than that.
What does embody mean to you?
Well, in the end, it just describes the human condition.
And this is what we forget.
Like you said, mind and body are inseparable.
The last couple of hundred years and science tried to tell us that they are separate fields.
And we have beautiful things that science gifted us, but the separation is something
that we need to mend.
And just everything that we think, everything where we put and fund our energy and our attention
to embodies in our physical self.
So we can't stop that.
We embody constantly.
Every millisecond we embody.
And when we use that as a resource to our advantage, we can...
Every ancient technique uses that.
Yoga, Qigong, even meditation, everything is an embodied technique.
And we forgot about that in the last 200 to 300 years.
Sasha, I love the humility that you exercise as you talk about leadership.
And Camilla, the same is true for you.
In this case, I'm simply using an example of what I heard.
And you talked about the Dalai Lama.
What's fine is there was a comment I wanted to make, but I decided not to.
And then my prayer bell went off.
That little ding that goes off as my reminder to have a...just say a gratitude prayer, even
in the middle of whatever I'm doing.
And I would just take the opportunity to reflect and remember what's there.
Some people could call it meditation.
That's fine too.
It's their synonyms, right?
And the way we have imperfect language is our heart and our minds, are we embodying
our souls moving towards greater and greater elements of resources that exist, like you
said, within inside and then without too, right?
There's so much experience that we often overlook.
Point being, that got me back to, nope, got to make the comment.
You said you have not had access to the Dalai Lama and you can't speak for him in terms
of the layers of onions.
I would add to it that the people out there who think that they need to meet some external
person may miss the value of what you were talking about too.
It's not one person.
It's not like we need the Dalai Lama as our savior in this case.
For me, yes, I do have one, but that's not necessarily for everybody, right?
That's my own personal belief.
When it comes to you though, you have access to everything you need in order to live and
find your best life in your journey.
That's my belief.
I don't mean to project it on you, but you've got it within and without.
Do you agree with that?
Yeah, for sure.
I think both of us, I can speak for Sasha, that we agree with that, that everything,
all the answers, everything that we need is within us.
When it comes to leaders or mentors, Dalai Lama or whoever it is, what we see there and
also maybe how we see us when we are serving as mentors for people who want to go with
us on this hero's journey is that definitely we are not the wisest people in all fields
or wherever, but we are a step ahead and maybe walk that path that they want to go and it
can be so helpful and accelerate your path.
But I'm 100% sure as well that-
That's the law of abundance.
To me, that's the law of abundance.
You guys are a reflection of that.
I have what I have, but you've come and you've given me new angles and perspectives that
have added to what I've been able to achieve.
That's it at the end of the day for this question, why I bring it up and why it's so important
to me is you have what you need to create the next levels for yourself and investments,
funding that comes in many forms.
Are you willing to see it?
Are you willing to do what it takes to move your hero's journey, your vision to that next
level?
Are you willing to look at that or do you shy away from it?
Do you decide not to?
Only you know the answer to that.
Nobody can judge that from the external and say that you did the wrong thing.
It's your life.
Thanks for exploring that with me guys.
That was a little deeper than I planned on and probably a little too deep for myself,
including I was a little bit out of my zone there.
But we are going to dive into a little bit of a darker subject, if you will.
And that is, what is the worst leadership experience that you've ever had?
Just to get clear on that question, you mean like it's something like me being mentored
or within the hierarchy of someone?
You get to define how you want to go with it.
So it's the worst leadership experience you've ever had or seen.
And with the idea, here's what I'll center us on.
What experience can you share about that that will help other visionaries learn to maybe
not follow that same path or get out of a situation they might be stuck in?
You know, you're going to be guided to something and it's going to help somebody.
I have an example from my own life.
I've always been an entrepreneur.
I always refused to have a decent job, like other people would say.
And at a certain point, I had a martial arts school.
That was a business that I had for a long time.
I'm doing martial arts since I'm a kid.
That's one of the main things I did all of my life.
And then I had the opportunity to take on more projects and there were big projects.
One was having a new kind of juice production in South America and then delivering it to
the US and Europe and like big projects.
And I took on three projects at the same time, still having my school as one of these projects.
And that turned out to be a total failure.
I went into a burnout.
And in hindsight, well, first, I always told everyone like, hey, don't take on too many
projects.
It doesn't work.
But nowadays, I would say if you manage that in a good way, it's possible.
I mean, there are people who have juggled way more projects than three.
The main thing I would say now is I did it out of scarcity.
And that was the big lesson in it.
I took on the other projects because they excited me, but also because there was something
missing in me.
I wanted more than just being the school owner in my hometown.
And I wanted more financial resources.
And then time scarcity came in.
And then financial scarcity came into these projects with it.
And it was just a cascade of scarcity that was driving that.
Also my decision to jump into the projects.
And I think that was the big lesson for me.
Wow.
That is a big awesome lesson.
And it's easy to surrender to the scarcity mindset.
It's not hard to fall into that trap and stay there.
Camilla, do you have a worst leadership experience that you wanted to share as well?
Or do we want to move on to the best leadership experience?
Well, maybe one combines the other as well in this kind of story.
And I worked before going more on the entrepreneurial path.
I was in the five-star hotel industry and I worked for a very big hotel company with
places all over the world.
And I was a manager of one outlet of them.
And obviously there were other managers above me and obviously my team beneath me.
And they could have capped me there if the managers above me would have taken the time
to really see who was working there and having more attention and guiding other people.
What I experienced was that my manager was also trying to please his manager and his
focus was on that part and losing sides on who's actually my team and beneath me and
how can I help them to raise and come up.
Again, probably scarcity comes in there as well because he was looking for his own career
and path.
But I think as well like for him, he would have more success by really looking out for
his team and helping them to become a great leader and beyond.
And I think there goes as well the best leadership experience is where you're working with someone
who is putting actually their team and the people who are working with them kind of first
and is more let go of this kind of competition, but rather seeing how we can all strive and
be more successful together if we lift the other person up.
And I think it can always happen that someone works in a way beneath you in the hierarchy,
but actually has a lot of skills that are greater than yourself.
And that's what I try to always remember for myself as well when we have in our hero tribe
people that we're working with, that I see what their skills are and that I try to lift
them and that it's okay for me if one day whatever, maybe they leave the hero tribe
because they're going to do and do their own projects, but that's how we serve the world.
Wow, that is phenomenal.
You taught me something phenomenal.
I just grabbed a little vision out of that of, oh my goodness, this is an incredibly
important assessment to give entrepreneurs to help them open their eyes.
It would be so powerful to, there's ways to manipulate on this too, that are not fair
and there's ways that are valuable for the growth of a business.
But I was imagining myself in a conference asking entrepreneurs to stand up who've been
at it for 10 years or five years, whatever, and then asking them the question, okay, who
has more than 10, let's get the people who have more than 10 employees in their team
and then say, okay, your employees, the one, three that work closest to you, do you know
their birthdays?
What's their birthdays?
Do you know their anniversaries?
How many kids do so and so have?
What are their names?
That could go really far, really fast towards manipulation and coercion of something that's
maybe not as, what's your favorite color?
Come on, maybe favorite color is not the most important, but you hit on it.
You just talked about what they're good at.
I would add to it, what's their favorite thing to do at work?
I bet most entrepreneurs would fail to answer that question correctly.
I bet they'd point to what that person's great at and completely overlook what that person
wants to be doing in the company.
And you're right, we don't take enough time to dive in and understand why do people work
with us?
What do they want to accomplish?
What do they want to learn?
How do they want to grow?
And if we did, and I've seen the benefits of company to do dive into that, what they're
able to accomplish.
Camilla, that's absolutely brilliant.
Moving towards best leadership experience, I think you just accomplished one of the best
leadership experience I've seen on this show.
So what is the best leadership experience you've ever had though?
I won't put a rooftop on you.
I have a feeling there's more.
Well, I can just jump in what comes to my mind, where I enjoy leadership the most, like
conducting it, being in the position of the leader or receiving it is actually in martial
arts.
Because a good martial arts teacher for me, I always try to do that is in the brunt of
the action, right in it.
I never liked when my master or I taught my students in that way that you sit in the corner
of the room and you say, yeah, 100 pushups more.
No, I'm going to do the 100 pushups with them.
And if I fail and just do 90, who cares?
Maybe my best student can do the 100.
Or I always like to do very hard like combat exercises where you fight against four people.
And the aim of the exercise is you can't win it.
That's a typical strategy in martial arts, go into exercise that you can't win.
And of course, I go first.
I need to do that as the martial arts teacher.
And that is first most enjoyable for me as the leader, actually.
And also I love when my masters did that and not stood in the corner and screamed at us.
You survived the negative experience.
I did not.
I was a yellow belt.
I made it to yellow belt and one red stripe.
And that's exactly why I stopped.
So here I was in my martial arts class.
I was in kindergarten.
One, I already knew how to fight, but they weren't teaching very many disciplines.
And there was this black belt in my great like he was already a black belt at that young
and he would pick on people.
And I beat the crap out of him several times for picking on people.
So don't get me wrong.
That's not the best lesson on this.
But here's the point.
I'm going to that martial arts class now and I jump over this wooden sword and they say,
go see sensei to get your next stripe.
And so I go see the sensei.
And here's what I saw.
I saw a non-Asian sitting at a desk using whiteout.
And I thought ninjas don't use whiteout.
What is this?
He's not really engaged and he was very overweight.
Not necessarily a problem.
Maybe he's going for the sumo thing.
But there was no essence of the culture of like what the pure qi qiang, the qi qiang,
the martial arts aspects, the principles of the East that I've come to learn about
more.
It was just a babysitting process of being there and saving mom time and yes, be nice
and use these values to the best of your ability.
But it wasn't like it wasn't what you just described.
A leadership opportunity where you're seeing that person lead by example.
Yeah, that would have been fun.
That would have been cool.
Yeah, I think it has to be.
Otherwise, it's like you say, there are these macdojos, how they are called, where it's
just a money making machine.
And it's just a bit of Asian, I don't know, icing on the cake.
But yeah, you want the real thing.
Any ninjas out there, you're welcome to use whiteout or you're welcome to roast me in
the comments, by the way.
But it did destroy my little kindergarten appreciation for martial arts for a little
while.
What powerful lesson, now if this was the last chance to share a lesson in your life,
what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn from your experience?
So I have to think with this question about, well, this one, yeah, anyway, if you're a
visionary to really not to give up and not to give in and to keep this vision of yours
with as many tools that you have alive, because it is so easy to kind of give in with, yeah,
things that happen in life that kind of more draw you down and take you down and to then,
yeah, ask you, doubt yourself about the vision that you have.
And there are wonderful tools out there, like a simple thing, like a vision board that reminds
you every day that why or what you want to do and where you want to go.
And that really keeps you going on this path.
I think that's one thing that really helped me when I started, what I'd say was my really
hero's journey and being aware of it, that I use these tools to get me going because
there were really hard times, especially also if you have a vision that requires you to
make a lot of changes, because it's going to be a test.
And yeah, being in the extraordinary world and facing the dragon or the demon within
you.
So yeah, that's my part.
And I want to add another one is to take the time to look inside.
And Sasha talked about the onion and really for bringing your vision into life, for being
your heroic identity who can hold the space for it as well to work on yourself and to
look at the dark side that every one of us has and not to fight them, but to embrace
them and to reunite these parts of you because it is all you and it all belongs to you.
And to bring your vision into life, you need to reunite it and embrace it.
And I think that's the way to a fulfilled and successful life and looking back one day
when the time comes to say goodbye to the physical body, to feel happy and satisfied
of what you accomplished and what you did.
Awesome.
Sasha, what's your powerful lesson?
I would go one step deeper maybe and also remind us that I had to learn that very often
in my life that the vision that we hold is extremely important.
But most of the time, I think it is not what we really, really deep inside want and need.
If it's an external thing, if you want to create a beautiful company, if you want to,
I don't know, set up a new social media platform or whatever, you should all strive for that
and do it, but that's usually not the end goal your soul is really striving for.
But the only way how you find out what is the next layer of the onion is by doing it,
by pursuing the vision.
That's maybe the mistake that we often do is either we cling to that vision and we hold
it and we are super disappointed when we are there and we made it and we feel then empty
again because that's how it's supposed to be.
This emptiness brings us to the next hero's journey, the next stage, or we are so discouraged
by all of that that we don't even start.
And the only way is to pierce through all these projects and visions and I believe you
come closer and closer to what you really want.
And maybe in the end, you will find out, I'm just happy with sitting here and looking at
the ducks.
That is awesome.
That was an epic ending too.
I hope that someday we turn that into one of those motivational videos on YouTube that
goes super viral where it's just like it ends with and it's really all about looking at
the duck.
That was so perfect.
That was so cool.
Guys, one of the fun things about my role in these interviews is that I also get to
build on what was just said.
And the real brilliance is the people who set the foundation and recognizing the holistic
nature of math.
If I have three mathematicians that all have five minutes to work through a formula, the
same formula, and build upon it, it doesn't mean one person's five minutes is any less
important or valuable than the other person's.
If you're constructing with the idea to continue to build upon, then everybody has contributed
something super holistic.
So Camilla, well said on taking the time to look inside, not fighting yourself, but embracing
and reuniting what's there, beautifully said.
I really like this addition too of Sasha's, that the vision, and it reminds me of something
that I have been refining within myself in the last year.
So the vision that we hold is extremely important, but it's not we deeply want and need.
The only way you find your purpose is through that vision though, paraphrasing a bit here.
My ego got the best of me.
And I used to say, Stephen Covey's quote, begin with the end of mind is cool, but, and
I would use that negative, I say begin with the vision in mind because I can see the trees
on that horizon over there.
And then when I get there, I'll be able to get to the next vision and I have a new vision.
And as I started to meditate on that over the last couple of months, I realized like,
Nope, I do what I do because I know the end in mind.
And I started to shift my wording to the reflection that you've so eloquently put out there Sasha
of remembering that, no, no, no, I very much know my destination and my purpose and what
and who I am.
And I can also be, I can begin with both in mind, right?
That's the beauty of math and knowing how to add to in life rather than subtract from.
So thank you both for incredibly powerful lessons.
We'll take some time to talk about the hero tribe and you know, all of this, this whole
conversation has really been about fully engaging in the hero's journey and you know, digging
inward and finding deeper elements of our souls and what we've learned.
And the byproduct of that to me is, is living your purpose, but I'd love for you guys to
take more time.
Tell us about the hero tribe.
Tell us about this topic, whatever you'd like the last five minutes, really four, three,
four minutes are yours.
Yeah, the, the hero tribe for us is this it's, it's actually what we always wanted to have.
It's not something that we created on, on a, on a board and planned for, for many years.
It is we wanted to live our hero's journey.
And pretty quickly when you dive into that, you find limitations, limitations come in
the surrounding very often that you have the, maybe the job that you're stuck in the, the
people that surround you and maybe not support your unfolding in a way that you wish to experience.
And then for us, the logical thing was, okay, let's, let's create a tribe that is empowering
and where everyone is put on the position of being the hero.
And we are a band of heroes supporting each other, a fellowship.
That's kind of the foundation of the tribe and it branched out into many, many things.
We started with this spirit of the hero camps where you can go into a week or 12 days in
Italy with us into fully being in, in your heroic self through embodiment training, through
going through the process of the 12 steps of the hero's journey.
And then we found out like, okay, people want more, they don't want just to do that once
a year with us in Italy or France or Poland or wherever we have done the camps, but they
want that on a constant basis.
So that also brought us online and we have the, what we call the hero tribe Academy where
you can do that constantly.
You can join master classes with us.
You have this super empowering tribe of people around you.
You go through this process of shedding the layers of the onion and going deeper and deeper.
And that is very profound.
And also, yeah, like Camilla already mentioned before, sometimes people also shy away from
it because that's the refusal of the call mentioned in the hero's journey.
That's totally fine.
We will then just chase them and see that we get them back on the path.
Cool.
What I'd love to add is like, maybe also like why we call ours like the hero tribe.
It has these two components of the hero.
We want them to realize they are the main character of their world, of their life and
the hero.
But there's also the part of tribe because like just being kind of on an ego trip is
not what we mean with being a hero.
No, the tribe is super important.
And that's where what's happened and what developed with the hero tribe over the last
years as well, that it also became a community where people really support each other and
hold each other up on in moments where they are down and celebrate each other when you
have some wins because I think that's also missing in the society that someone tells
you something that you accomplish.
And sometimes, yeah, people start again with being, I don't know, jealous or competition
or whatever.
But no, just celebrate it.
If someone's, I don't know, was successful again, like a child, you know, the child,
I don't know, walked his first step and everyone's like cheering the parents.
And we can still do that when we are adults.
So we love this playful part as well, like you see us sometimes in some, I don't know,
costumes.
If you come to a camp, you work with us, you don't have to wear a costume, but you're very
welcome to do it if it makes you happy and if you have fun with it.
That's awesome.
I love y'all's branding.
My goodness, there's so much intentfulness, right?
Intentionality is probably the better word for what y'all have built.
The way you are able to help people feel emotionally, what you've dedicated your lives to, it's
inspiring.
You know, and it's a, to me, it's the greatest expression of, artistic expression of what's
going on within.
You know, how much this means to you.
And I know how much money, I know how much sacrifice and investment goes into creating
something of that magnitude.
So I opted in.
I'm very excited to explore how our paths continue to cross as life unfolds.
And I just want to thank you guys for leading the way you're leading the language, right?
Skills that you've put into learning German and English to be able to communicate with
multiple people throughout the world.
The dedication you've put into communication skills as well, in addition to language skills.
What an awesome, awesome show experience.
So in the show notes, visionaries who are listening in, there's going to be action steps
down below this episode.
And we'll try to put on there the best action steps, the clearest action steps to take if
you want to continue your journey with Camilla and Sasha.
And then there's also a button at the top.
That's my bias preference.
And it says, be our guest.
We'd love to see you apply and share your journey with us.
You know, you may have a brand that is as complete as Camilla and Sasha's and the Elon
Musk's and the Bill Gates of the world.
You may also have no brand, but you have a heart and a vision of what you want to do
to serve others.
We want to hear that.
We want to hear about it.
We want to know what you're up to.
And if you have a comment for us, a question, don't hesitate to drop those in social media
as well.
And we'll make sure that we at least get Camilla and Sasha's attention.
And as they brilliantly said on their contact us page, send them a telepathic message as
well.
I know you want to work with them.
I like so much about what I saw today, guys.
Yav, anything you want to add before we go?
I know I'm about to go over our time.
Well, I just want to add thank you so much as well for having us here and also for doing
what you are providing here and sharing the word with all the wonderful, beautiful projects
that are up here in this world and that try to, like all the people who try to make the
world a better place and inspire others.
And so, yeah, thank you so much for having this conversation.
I think we had a lot of fun.
That was awesome.
Thank you, Jason.
It was fun.
Absolutely.
It's my honor.
Vision Pros, everybody have a fantastic rest of your day and we will see you on the next
episode.
Take care, everybody.
Thank you for being here today.
I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.
I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward.
This is going to get more and more fun, more and more engagement as well.
We'll invite people to participate in the show and thank you for giving us your time
and attention.
I hope you have an excellent time building out your vision.