1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,260 We arrived here last year in November, and so it's been just a little bit over half a 2 00:00:08,260 --> 00:00:12,500 year and we feel very good here. 3 00:00:12,500 --> 00:00:13,500 Yeah. 4 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:14,500 Yes. 5 00:00:14,500 --> 00:00:15,500 Absolutely. 6 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:16,500 That's awesome. 7 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:19,640 I've heard amazing things about it. 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,140 My favorite thing about it was one of my favorite resources. 9 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:27,220 And so I say my favorite things I've never been. 10 00:00:27,220 --> 00:00:32,860 There's a Ted talk by a guy, I can't remember how to pronounce his name, but it's called 11 00:00:32,860 --> 00:00:35,600 Everything We Know About Addiction Is Wrong. 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:41,380 And he talks about a case study of Portugal and prisons and how they do things differently 13 00:00:41,380 --> 00:00:49,260 in terms of helping people reintegrate into society and how they belong in society helps 14 00:00:49,260 --> 00:00:51,120 people move away from addiction. 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,800 And I thought it was just a brilliant concept. 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,360 And I was like, wow, that's neat. 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,140 It'd be so cool if our world leaders would openly learn from each other. 18 00:00:59,140 --> 00:01:05,100 And hopefully they do about what is working in different countries and some problems together. 19 00:01:05,100 --> 00:01:10,940 So what's your favorite thing about Portugal so far? 20 00:01:10,940 --> 00:01:17,860 I think as we came here in November, and November is already pretty rainy and muddy in Germany, 21 00:01:17,860 --> 00:01:23,060 and we had beautiful sun and we were able to go surfing. 22 00:01:23,060 --> 00:01:29,180 That's a big part for me that we have here wonderful waves and beaches to go surfing, 23 00:01:29,180 --> 00:01:32,220 which we don't really have in Germany. 24 00:01:32,220 --> 00:01:38,700 So that was just a like, oh, yes, this feels really, really right. 25 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:40,580 And yeah, that was one thing that. 26 00:01:40,580 --> 00:01:41,580 Yeah. 27 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:46,180 And the people are just super friendly and chilled and nice. 28 00:01:46,180 --> 00:01:47,180 Yeah. 29 00:01:47,180 --> 00:01:48,180 That's, that's awesome. 30 00:01:48,180 --> 00:01:55,140 So those two dynamics, I'm a big fan, it reminds me of what I experienced in Uruguay as well. 31 00:01:55,140 --> 00:02:00,980 And I could most most coastal cities bring a certain deal of happiness about them. 32 00:02:00,980 --> 00:02:04,480 So not a bad idea to live by the coast. 33 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,480 So cool. 34 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,740 We're going to be talking about fully engaging in your hero's journey and one's hero's journey 35 00:02:08,740 --> 00:02:11,620 and living with purpose. 36 00:02:11,620 --> 00:02:16,980 Two amazing people who've gone from Germany to Portugal and are very much living a hero's 37 00:02:16,980 --> 00:02:18,940 journey. 38 00:02:18,940 --> 00:02:22,940 That's a big reason why I'm excited to have you guys on the call. 39 00:02:22,940 --> 00:02:25,580 Let's dive in first to some of the resources. 40 00:02:25,580 --> 00:02:30,500 If there were resources, three resources or books that you'd recommend for other visionaries 41 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:34,580 who are on this journey we call life, what would they be? 42 00:02:34,580 --> 00:02:37,660 Yeah, it's a tough question. 43 00:02:37,660 --> 00:02:44,660 But the first thing that came to my mind is actually Qigong. 44 00:02:44,660 --> 00:02:49,860 Wherever you want to learn that in whatever institution or school, but that changed our 45 00:02:49,860 --> 00:02:52,560 lives tremendously. 46 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:59,020 And it's that it's that beautiful blend of meditative practice with an embodiment practice. 47 00:02:59,020 --> 00:03:02,900 And I think that is so important for whatever you do. 48 00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:07,020 There are more top athletes picking up Qigong. 49 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:12,980 There is there are more CEOs picking up Qigong recently because they they understood that 50 00:03:12,980 --> 00:03:15,220 there is something in that. 51 00:03:15,220 --> 00:03:20,540 And I mean, in Asia, that is a tradition thousands of years old. 52 00:03:20,540 --> 00:03:24,580 And every master and every politician knew about it. 53 00:03:24,580 --> 00:03:25,580 Wow. 54 00:03:25,580 --> 00:03:27,280 Yeah, that is big. 55 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,820 And how do you spell it? 56 00:03:28,820 --> 00:03:30,260 Remind me. 57 00:03:30,260 --> 00:03:32,140 So it would be QI. 58 00:03:32,140 --> 00:03:34,900 Got that wrong already. 59 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:41,620 Yeah, I mean, there are many spellings out there because the Chinese would write it in 60 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:44,420 characters they they never spelled it. 61 00:03:44,420 --> 00:03:45,420 That's true. 62 00:03:45,420 --> 00:03:47,780 I don't know how they do that, man. 63 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:50,940 That's that takes talent, a lot of talent in of itself. 64 00:03:50,940 --> 00:03:53,460 OK, so and yes, I've seen it. 65 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:54,620 CHI, Qigong as well. 66 00:03:54,620 --> 00:03:59,620 We'll make sure to if you could do us a favor, if you could link to some type of resource 67 00:03:59,620 --> 00:04:05,380 to introduce the layman's about it, that would be a fantastic way to help me take that step 68 00:04:05,380 --> 00:04:09,460 of saying, OK, cool, I want to I want to learn about this and we'll put that on the landing 69 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:10,460 page. 70 00:04:10,460 --> 00:04:12,060 That would be resource two and three. 71 00:04:12,060 --> 00:04:16,060 Well, two, I thought like we you already mentioned it. 72 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:17,340 We work with the heroes journey. 73 00:04:17,340 --> 00:04:20,700 So that's a powerful concept. 74 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:24,820 And I can recommend all the Joseph Campbell work. 75 00:04:24,820 --> 00:04:25,980 It's just amazing. 76 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:26,980 It's deep. 77 00:04:26,980 --> 00:04:30,820 It's not easy to read, for sure. 78 00:04:30,820 --> 00:04:33,300 But it's fascinating. 79 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:37,900 And I mean, there are other resources about the heroes journey online or or some pretty 80 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:41,220 nice documentaries on YouTube. 81 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:43,300 The hero's journey is just powerful. 82 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:44,300 Awesome. 83 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,300 You got a third. 84 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:52,660 Well, third now is well, that's a bit nerdy, but I can just say like episode four, classical 85 00:04:52,660 --> 00:04:57,620 in 1977 Star Wars. 86 00:04:57,620 --> 00:05:02,020 Because it is the hero's journey in in a beautiful format. 87 00:05:02,020 --> 00:05:07,540 You have everything you have the mentor, you have the the lightsaber passed on to you from 88 00:05:07,540 --> 00:05:08,860 your father and. 89 00:05:08,860 --> 00:05:09,860 Wow. 90 00:05:09,860 --> 00:05:12,380 It is a masterpiece. 91 00:05:12,380 --> 00:05:15,940 It is so easy to take for granted, right? 92 00:05:15,940 --> 00:05:18,460 What's what's been talked about so much. 93 00:05:18,460 --> 00:05:19,460 But why? 94 00:05:19,460 --> 00:05:24,500 Why not relive it and appreciate what what was gifted to us? 95 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:26,820 So those are fantastic resources. 96 00:05:26,820 --> 00:05:27,820 We're going to be right back. 97 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:31,660 We're going to dive right into Camilla and Sasha's vision. 98 00:05:31,660 --> 00:05:34,180 And yeah, I'm excited for the show, guys. 99 00:05:34,180 --> 00:05:35,180 All right. 100 00:05:35,180 --> 00:05:37,100 Welcome in to Vision Pros Live. 101 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:39,420 With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host. 102 00:05:39,420 --> 00:05:44,580 We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic 103 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:54,740 visions out there. 104 00:05:54,740 --> 00:05:57,100 What's up and welcome into another episode of Vision Pros Live. 105 00:05:57,100 --> 00:06:01,100 I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO of First Class Business. 106 00:06:01,100 --> 00:06:05,860 I am so excited to have Camilla and Sasha on board today from the Hero Tribe. 107 00:06:05,860 --> 00:06:13,860 We're going to be talking about really probably one of my favorite least talked about subjects, 108 00:06:13,860 --> 00:06:18,460 the hero's journey, the ability to really appreciate this thing we call life. 109 00:06:18,460 --> 00:06:21,540 There's so many people that just go right for the destination or lose sight and get 110 00:06:21,540 --> 00:06:22,540 focused on that. 111 00:06:22,540 --> 00:06:26,460 I've done that many times throughout life, actually, and being able to remind yourself 112 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:29,060 that, OK, today matters. 113 00:06:29,060 --> 00:06:32,900 Being able to recognize that, you know, is that are we on a journey that's leading towards 114 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:35,820 purpose, towards fulfillment? 115 00:06:35,820 --> 00:06:39,740 It's just it's excellent to have masterminds and conversations with people like Camilla 116 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:40,740 and Sasha. 117 00:06:40,740 --> 00:06:44,940 So we're doing just that on your visionary journey, especially those who are entrepreneurs. 118 00:06:44,940 --> 00:06:47,480 I've got some resources up here that I highly recommend. 119 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,500 The first being the Lost Spot. 120 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:52,940 The Lost Spot is a company run by Melissa Gray. 121 00:06:52,940 --> 00:06:54,700 She came on this show. 122 00:06:54,700 --> 00:07:00,060 When you're when you're considering who you might work with for different purposes in 123 00:07:00,060 --> 00:07:03,140 business, it's important to evaluate your options. 124 00:07:03,140 --> 00:07:07,260 I was a pretty unwise steward in my first couple of ventures, and I found that most 125 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:11,380 ventures are they either hire somebody or retainer without doing a lot of research. 126 00:07:11,380 --> 00:07:16,140 Well, we didn't have somebody in our team and we had to face a trademark lawsuit. 127 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:18,260 It cost us twenty thousand dollars to start up. 128 00:07:18,260 --> 00:07:19,260 We won. 129 00:07:19,260 --> 00:07:20,260 But did we? 130 00:07:20,260 --> 00:07:25,300 I mean, we lost twenty thousand just to protect the name we already had and owned. 131 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:28,140 And coming across Melissa, she was a breath of fresh air. 132 00:07:28,140 --> 00:07:34,820 I know somebody who has a heart, who has a family, who isn't scared to listen and doesn't 133 00:07:34,820 --> 00:07:36,460 act like she knows everything. 134 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:39,300 But at the same time, she has the ability to simplify legal. 135 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:40,700 I've been very impressed with her. 136 00:07:40,700 --> 00:07:45,340 It's been fun to work with her as she is a client of ours as well. 137 00:07:45,340 --> 00:07:49,260 And I just I can't speak enough about her as a leader. 138 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:50,860 And I think she knows and others know. 139 00:07:50,860 --> 00:07:53,700 I wouldn't say that if she was struggling with her leadership skills. 140 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:56,020 But it's one of my favorite things about her. 141 00:07:56,020 --> 00:07:57,500 She continues to build this brand out. 142 00:07:57,500 --> 00:08:00,380 We got her event coming up in Dallas on April 16th. 143 00:08:00,380 --> 00:08:04,700 If you're local and listening in, join us at that event for first class networking. 144 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:06,860 Then there's Recovery Unplugged. 145 00:08:06,860 --> 00:08:08,420 Recovery Unplugged is not a client of mine. 146 00:08:08,420 --> 00:08:12,420 Andrew Sosin came on the show, though, and he threw down some serious value. 147 00:08:12,420 --> 00:08:16,340 And I love that he is helping people overcome addictions. 148 00:08:16,340 --> 00:08:18,380 And he's got over 400 employees. 149 00:08:18,380 --> 00:08:19,380 He's a great leader. 150 00:08:19,380 --> 00:08:20,380 He is at a Richard. 151 00:08:20,380 --> 00:08:27,060 He was at a Richard at a mastermind on Richard Branson's Island with Richard Branson and 152 00:08:27,060 --> 00:08:29,180 Robert Kiyosaki of Rich Dad Poor Dad. 153 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:31,580 He's been to just this last year. 154 00:08:31,580 --> 00:08:35,820 He's been to Tony Robbins event 22 years in a row. 155 00:08:35,820 --> 00:08:41,860 And that man, for me, is one of the men leading the pack of how do we how do we help inspire 156 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:42,860 people? 157 00:08:42,860 --> 00:08:43,860 How do we motivate people? 158 00:08:43,860 --> 00:08:44,860 How do we get people connected? 159 00:08:44,860 --> 00:08:49,940 So all that to me speaks to the type of program you might be anticipating as you go into this. 160 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:53,620 One of the coolest things, one of the best blessings of COVID was the fact that a lot 161 00:08:53,620 --> 00:08:55,980 of things had to go online that weren't available online. 162 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:59,620 They used to have four or five in-person locations. 163 00:08:59,620 --> 00:09:06,380 Now they've moved towards an online model that empowers more people globally with the 164 00:09:06,380 --> 00:09:08,900 ability to overcome what they struggle most with. 165 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:10,820 Entrepreneurs, I'm looking at you. 166 00:09:10,820 --> 00:09:12,500 We have addictive personalities. 167 00:09:12,500 --> 00:09:15,260 It can be very important to turn to this type of resource. 168 00:09:15,260 --> 00:09:19,700 Or if you know somebody who is really struggling or they're struggling, they don't realize 169 00:09:19,700 --> 00:09:24,620 it, you might call this hotline and find out what will be some techniques and ideas for 170 00:09:24,620 --> 00:09:29,260 helping you help your loved ones overcome the challenges that they face. 171 00:09:29,260 --> 00:09:34,260 Now I'm without my assistant today, so forgive me for not sharing the appropriate screens 172 00:09:34,260 --> 00:09:35,260 the right way. 173 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:39,660 Let's make sure to do this right for my favorite thing to talk about, which is the water project. 174 00:09:39,660 --> 00:09:41,240 And why is that? 175 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,540 Because I've never had to worry about water. 176 00:09:44,540 --> 00:09:47,460 Sasha and Camila got to see me say, hold on, guys, I'll be right back. 177 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:49,140 And I'm going to get water for my kitchen. 178 00:09:49,140 --> 00:09:53,340 We are so blessed to be able to get that from our kitchen fast. 179 00:09:53,340 --> 00:09:54,500 There are so many people in the world. 180 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:56,540 There's millions like this child right here. 181 00:09:56,540 --> 00:10:00,660 If you're viewing the screen that doesn't have access to clean drinking water and they 182 00:10:00,660 --> 00:10:05,020 might walk for miles and be missing school, their parents might have to leave work to 183 00:10:05,020 --> 00:10:07,900 go get water to provide the basic necessities for their family. 184 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:09,580 And it's not even necessarily safe water. 185 00:10:09,580 --> 00:10:12,940 I know most of you listening are like me and you're kind of scared of your water from your 186 00:10:12,940 --> 00:10:14,580 kitchen sink. 187 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:18,540 Imagine going to a water hole and providing that to your children when you get home. 188 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:23,180 I can't let my heart forget the reality that there are millions who don't have access to 189 00:10:23,180 --> 00:10:24,180 it. 190 00:10:24,180 --> 00:10:28,300 And I don't want to be consumed by doubt and fear and darkness. 191 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:34,700 I'd much rather realize that these kids celebrate water like my kids celebrate Christmas Day. 192 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:39,340 And we have the opportunity to give, it can be one dollar, it can be five hundred thousand 193 00:10:39,340 --> 00:10:41,540 dollars funding many of these projects. 194 00:10:41,540 --> 00:10:45,620 And next thing you know, you've made a generational impact on people whose lives will be changed 195 00:10:45,620 --> 00:10:49,120 forever by creating their own borehole well or sand dam. 196 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,500 And you get to see the outcome of your results because the way Water Project manages this 197 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:54,500 program. 198 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:59,260 So I just again, if you're not in a position to give back either, I'm not trying to say, 199 00:10:59,260 --> 00:11:03,100 hey, you know, ignore covid economics and how much it's hurt you. 200 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:04,900 My request is to do what I'm doing. 201 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:05,900 Just share it. 202 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:06,900 Just tell people about it. 203 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:11,500 You never know the ripple effect that will be caused by going about doing good and sharing 204 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:13,340 opportunities for growth. 205 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:17,260 If you have a cause you'd like to see me talk about, then absolutely submit it to us or 206 00:11:17,260 --> 00:11:18,380 just send a comment. 207 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:19,380 Let us know about it. 208 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:21,020 We might promote it on this show. 209 00:11:21,020 --> 00:11:24,240 The goal is to help the eight billion and we can do that by working together. 210 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,540 So without further ado, Camilla and Sasha, I'm going to bring them on stage. 211 00:11:27,540 --> 00:11:29,100 We're going to talk all about the hero tribe. 212 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:31,440 This is something we can all relate to. 213 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,660 We are all literally experts at this process, in my opinion, and some of us live it more 214 00:11:35,660 --> 00:11:36,700 fully than others. 215 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:41,740 So thank you both for being here today talking to us about the hero tribe, what you do, sharing 216 00:11:41,740 --> 00:11:42,740 your vision. 217 00:11:42,740 --> 00:11:45,380 I'm absolutely honored to have you two on the show. 218 00:11:45,380 --> 00:11:46,380 Thank you. 219 00:11:46,380 --> 00:11:49,780 We're super blessed to be here as well with you. 220 00:11:49,780 --> 00:11:50,780 Awesome. 221 00:11:50,780 --> 00:11:53,460 So we're going to dive into the first question. 222 00:11:53,460 --> 00:11:59,100 Either one of you can take it, of course, and we'll do our best for the audience to 223 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:04,620 keep it clear and brief on each side, but also profound while maintaining the typical 224 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:06,140 time structure of our show. 225 00:12:06,140 --> 00:12:09,260 But I'll let you guys decide who's going to speak and who's not. 226 00:12:09,260 --> 00:12:12,340 We'll interrupt each other as professionals do. 227 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:16,540 So what is your vision for those that you serve? 228 00:12:16,540 --> 00:12:27,620 Yeah, our vision for those where we have the honor to serve is that they remember again 229 00:12:27,620 --> 00:12:33,540 that they are the hero, the main character of their life and the power that comes within 230 00:12:33,540 --> 00:12:37,120 this realization and remembering as well. 231 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,660 Because I think when we are born, there is no question about it. 232 00:12:41,660 --> 00:12:43,580 We are the main character of our life. 233 00:12:43,580 --> 00:12:48,740 We just kind of ask and take whatever we want. 234 00:12:48,740 --> 00:12:55,860 And then you go through life and you get conditioned by society, by family, by friends, by everything. 235 00:12:55,860 --> 00:13:01,020 And you start to forget about it because no one is also telling you it. 236 00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:05,740 And so that is our vision that those who are working with us, those who are crossing our 237 00:13:05,740 --> 00:13:11,460 path, that they remember they are the hero of their life and they take also responsibility 238 00:13:11,460 --> 00:13:17,060 and taking this power to create and go after what their soul and their heart is telling 239 00:13:17,060 --> 00:13:23,960 them to do and not what maybe, yeah, even with the best family and friends think you 240 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,420 should do. 241 00:13:25,420 --> 00:13:29,500 So that's our vision for them that they reach this point. 242 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:34,700 And yeah, it's just as you just mentioned when you said like the ripple effect of just 243 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:36,780 telling about it. 244 00:13:36,780 --> 00:13:43,140 We really believe that it has such a big ripple effect if you go and you are happy and fulfilled 245 00:13:43,140 --> 00:13:49,180 in your life to everyone around you and the whole environment and serving this world in 246 00:13:49,180 --> 00:13:50,500 this way. 247 00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:51,740 Absolutely. 248 00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:56,620 For those who don't see the obvious connection between what Camilla just said and what we 249 00:13:56,620 --> 00:13:59,220 believe in, that's what Vision Pro's life is all about. 250 00:13:59,220 --> 00:14:02,380 It's about the reality that if you're listening in right now, it's because we know you're 251 00:14:02,380 --> 00:14:03,380 a visionary. 252 00:14:03,380 --> 00:14:07,620 We know that you're designed to create something amazing for your life and a purpose that's 253 00:14:07,620 --> 00:14:12,900 great and the more that we have people positively reinforce that, the more likely people will 254 00:14:12,900 --> 00:14:16,220 start to step in and own that reality and have a safe space to do so. 255 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:22,540 I will say there's a segment, there's certainly people in the world who from day one, they 256 00:14:22,540 --> 00:14:24,220 face the opposite, right? 257 00:14:24,220 --> 00:14:26,700 Where they're told they're not worth anything. 258 00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:28,540 The world doesn't revolve around them. 259 00:14:28,540 --> 00:14:31,860 They're not in a position to embrace that. 260 00:14:31,860 --> 00:14:37,740 Our hope, my hope, I know it's y'all's hope too, is to inspire those individuals to learn 261 00:14:37,740 --> 00:14:40,980 to change that mindset, learn to see the value that they are. 262 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:43,840 I love what you're doing. 263 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,140 For you guys, well, Sasha, let's talk about your side of that. 264 00:14:47,140 --> 00:14:48,140 What is your vision? 265 00:14:48,140 --> 00:14:50,260 How do you add on top of that? 266 00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:54,380 You get the fun role of color commentating where we get to try to make it sound good 267 00:14:54,380 --> 00:14:55,380 and you get to come in and- 268 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:56,380 That's really easy. 269 00:14:56,380 --> 00:15:06,860 Well, there's not much that I can add, I just feel like also there is no other position 270 00:15:06,860 --> 00:15:13,300 in the hero's journey than being on the 12, well, nowadays it's 12 steps. 271 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:18,540 And I always remind people in our tribe and our academy about this. 272 00:15:18,540 --> 00:15:24,980 There is no step number 13 outside of the scope of your beautiful life journey where 273 00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:29,540 you are unfolding, the only thing that can happen is that you're stuck. 274 00:15:29,540 --> 00:15:33,740 And people manage, unfortunately, to get stuck for decades. 275 00:15:33,740 --> 00:15:38,220 Some people manage to get stuck in the status quo all of their lives. 276 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:46,220 And the only thing we need to do is move internally or externally, doesn't really matter. 277 00:15:46,220 --> 00:15:54,260 And if we, like we already said and established, if we would all do that to a certain degree, 278 00:15:54,260 --> 00:15:57,860 I believe that everything will change, the whole planet will change. 279 00:15:57,860 --> 00:16:05,980 And many of the things that we manifested collectively comes from people in their encrusted, 280 00:16:05,980 --> 00:16:10,700 hurtful self, which is not living their true potential. 281 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:15,220 And so they do things that they normally would never do. 282 00:16:15,220 --> 00:16:16,500 Absolutely. 283 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:23,820 We're going to move from your visions personally, because I think we're seeing it unfold. 284 00:16:23,820 --> 00:16:26,460 We all live this hero's journey. 285 00:16:26,460 --> 00:16:31,100 You can always direct back to it, but there's an important subject I really want your opinion 286 00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:32,340 on. 287 00:16:32,340 --> 00:16:37,660 And that is the subject of investing in ourselves, which comes in many forms. 288 00:16:37,660 --> 00:16:40,180 We invest in ourselves everything that we do. 289 00:16:40,180 --> 00:16:43,180 If I decide to watch Netflix, I'm investing my time in that. 290 00:16:43,180 --> 00:16:50,300 If I decide to hang out with certain people that are off color, I'm investing my time 291 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:56,180 and attention in those individuals that might be deciding to bring me down. 292 00:16:56,180 --> 00:17:04,860 My question for you guys as leaders is why do leaders, people who have a clear vision, 293 00:17:04,860 --> 00:17:09,940 they want to be the hero for their vision, why do we sometimes tend to hide from funding 294 00:17:09,940 --> 00:17:13,380 our visions, from investing in ourselves and our visions? 295 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:17,780 Why do we do that? 296 00:17:17,780 --> 00:17:26,060 What just comes to my mind on that spot is I think the whole funding, investing, investing 297 00:17:26,060 --> 00:17:36,620 time, money, energy, there is a lot of scarcity around there, especially also money. 298 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:40,500 More or less, wherever you turn to, it's always like, oh, it's little and people complaining 299 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:41,500 and they don't have enough. 300 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:46,900 They don't have also enough time and money, energy, everything. 301 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:54,780 And so with a vision, the point is that it's also you are investing in something into the 302 00:17:54,780 --> 00:17:55,780 unknown. 303 00:17:55,780 --> 00:18:02,100 You have some ideas and sometimes it's also difficult to really project yourself into 304 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:07,260 this future self or future life of you. 305 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:13,120 And you just think, okay, this could be the moment where I feel even more free and fulfilled, 306 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:14,660 but I'm not sure about it. 307 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:21,860 And so there comes a lot of scarcity in investing something that has such a high value and not 308 00:18:21,860 --> 00:18:25,300 knowing will it actually bring me where I want to go. 309 00:18:25,300 --> 00:18:31,740 And I think that's where a lot of people hold back and what we always also, people who do 310 00:18:31,740 --> 00:18:37,460 come across the hero tribe and considering going on a journey with us, we're very often 311 00:18:37,460 --> 00:18:43,660 they then refuse because, hey, well, okay, I might be not so happy. 312 00:18:43,660 --> 00:18:49,180 Like the whole thing starts them to negotiate with yourself about your status quo and think 313 00:18:49,180 --> 00:18:56,340 like, yeah, in a way my job sucks, but yeah, I do get my bills paid with it. 314 00:18:56,340 --> 00:18:59,740 And I do have some hours on the weekend for free time. 315 00:18:59,740 --> 00:19:06,940 That's not that bad, but you avoid the emotional pain actually that comes with it. 316 00:19:06,940 --> 00:19:08,000 Nice. 317 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,860 So I heard mindset, scarcity mindset mentioned in there. 318 00:19:11,860 --> 00:19:18,620 I heard you talk about the doubt being something that also leads us to the fear of the unknown, 319 00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:19,620 right? 320 00:19:19,620 --> 00:19:22,180 I'm like, I don't know if I can do this. 321 00:19:22,180 --> 00:19:26,780 And in addition to that, the comfort zone, right? 322 00:19:26,780 --> 00:19:28,820 Of like, well, this is what I do know. 323 00:19:28,820 --> 00:19:29,820 This is where I was safe, right? 324 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:32,340 So I can hear a lot of that. 325 00:19:32,340 --> 00:19:38,820 Do you want to add any more to this question, Sasha, or do you want to move into how we 326 00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:44,140 can inspire visionaries and leaders to fund their vision, to invest in themselves? 327 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:47,540 Yeah, maybe I take the bridge to how. 328 00:19:47,540 --> 00:19:56,700 And well, one thing that from the work we do observing so many heroes journeys as this 329 00:19:56,700 --> 00:20:03,580 universal blueprint of human development, how we also call it, what we can definitely 330 00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:06,900 say is we humans are onions. 331 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:10,300 We humans have layers upon layers upon layers. 332 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:15,900 I have layers as doggy would say, keep going. 333 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:18,820 And they are beautiful layers and they are blocked layers. 334 00:20:18,820 --> 00:20:25,620 And very often, especially people who are established in some fields in their life, 335 00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:31,120 they sometimes assume that, hey, I'm unblocked, everything works out. 336 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:32,740 And that is never the case. 337 00:20:32,740 --> 00:20:38,340 I don't know, I haven't worked with the Dalai Lama or some high established master on the 338 00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:39,340 heroes journeys. 339 00:20:39,340 --> 00:20:43,120 I trained with them, but I haven't mentored them. 340 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:49,860 Maybe they have cleared all their onion layers, but normal people, even super successful people 341 00:20:49,860 --> 00:20:51,380 don't. 342 00:20:51,380 --> 00:20:52,900 And that's totally fine. 343 00:20:52,900 --> 00:21:00,060 So from the heroes journey perspective, how to clear that is inwards, piercing more layers 344 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:05,300 of the onion in time, because you can't do that all at the same time. 345 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:07,900 Just take time. 346 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:14,120 Extra tip is never forget that everything embodies in your physical self. 347 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:18,980 You can't solve it just emotionally or with your brain. 348 00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:21,820 You need to embody it. 349 00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:24,580 I love that. 350 00:21:24,580 --> 00:21:27,220 I haven't used that word that way before. 351 00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:32,100 I'm a big fan of heart and mind. 352 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:38,740 And that to me is defined by that word embody, which again, I know it's bigger than that. 353 00:21:38,740 --> 00:21:41,060 What does embody mean to you? 354 00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:46,340 Well, in the end, it just describes the human condition. 355 00:21:46,340 --> 00:21:48,700 And this is what we forget. 356 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:54,140 Like you said, mind and body are inseparable. 357 00:21:54,140 --> 00:22:00,860 The last couple of hundred years and science tried to tell us that they are separate fields. 358 00:22:00,860 --> 00:22:07,560 And we have beautiful things that science gifted us, but the separation is something 359 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,020 that we need to mend. 360 00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:16,340 And just everything that we think, everything where we put and fund our energy and our attention 361 00:22:16,340 --> 00:22:19,940 to embodies in our physical self. 362 00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:21,280 So we can't stop that. 363 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,020 We embody constantly. 364 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:25,380 Every millisecond we embody. 365 00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:32,220 And when we use that as a resource to our advantage, we can... 366 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:34,740 Every ancient technique uses that. 367 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:40,500 Yoga, Qigong, even meditation, everything is an embodied technique. 368 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:44,300 And we forgot about that in the last 200 to 300 years. 369 00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:51,380 Sasha, I love the humility that you exercise as you talk about leadership. 370 00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:53,180 And Camilla, the same is true for you. 371 00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:57,500 In this case, I'm simply using an example of what I heard. 372 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:00,060 And you talked about the Dalai Lama. 373 00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:03,700 What's fine is there was a comment I wanted to make, but I decided not to. 374 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:05,500 And then my prayer bell went off. 375 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:11,020 That little ding that goes off as my reminder to have a...just say a gratitude prayer, even 376 00:23:11,020 --> 00:23:12,020 in the middle of whatever I'm doing. 377 00:23:12,020 --> 00:23:16,300 And I would just take the opportunity to reflect and remember what's there. 378 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:17,760 Some people could call it meditation. 379 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,760 That's fine too. 380 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,760 It's their synonyms, right? 381 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,500 And the way we have imperfect language is our heart and our minds, are we embodying 382 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:30,740 our souls moving towards greater and greater elements of resources that exist, like you 383 00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:34,340 said, within inside and then without too, right? 384 00:23:34,340 --> 00:23:38,860 There's so much experience that we often overlook. 385 00:23:38,860 --> 00:23:43,140 Point being, that got me back to, nope, got to make the comment. 386 00:23:43,140 --> 00:23:49,540 You said you have not had access to the Dalai Lama and you can't speak for him in terms 387 00:23:49,540 --> 00:23:51,620 of the layers of onions. 388 00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:59,140 I would add to it that the people out there who think that they need to meet some external 389 00:23:59,140 --> 00:24:05,180 person may miss the value of what you were talking about too. 390 00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:06,180 It's not one person. 391 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:11,300 It's not like we need the Dalai Lama as our savior in this case. 392 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:16,900 For me, yes, I do have one, but that's not necessarily for everybody, right? 393 00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:19,420 That's my own personal belief. 394 00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:27,820 When it comes to you though, you have access to everything you need in order to live and 395 00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:30,260 find your best life in your journey. 396 00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:31,260 That's my belief. 397 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:36,940 I don't mean to project it on you, but you've got it within and without. 398 00:24:36,940 --> 00:24:38,420 Do you agree with that? 399 00:24:38,420 --> 00:24:40,860 Yeah, for sure. 400 00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:47,580 I think both of us, I can speak for Sasha, that we agree with that, that everything, 401 00:24:47,580 --> 00:24:52,460 all the answers, everything that we need is within us. 402 00:24:52,460 --> 00:25:01,340 When it comes to leaders or mentors, Dalai Lama or whoever it is, what we see there and 403 00:25:01,340 --> 00:25:08,820 also maybe how we see us when we are serving as mentors for people who want to go with 404 00:25:08,820 --> 00:25:15,940 us on this hero's journey is that definitely we are not the wisest people in all fields 405 00:25:15,940 --> 00:25:22,620 or wherever, but we are a step ahead and maybe walk that path that they want to go and it 406 00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:27,900 can be so helpful and accelerate your path. 407 00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:31,100 But I'm 100% sure as well that- 408 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:33,220 That's the law of abundance. 409 00:25:33,220 --> 00:25:34,500 To me, that's the law of abundance. 410 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:37,140 You guys are a reflection of that. 411 00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:40,860 I have what I have, but you've come and you've given me new angles and perspectives that 412 00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:44,780 have added to what I've been able to achieve. 413 00:25:44,780 --> 00:25:49,540 That's it at the end of the day for this question, why I bring it up and why it's so important 414 00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:55,780 to me is you have what you need to create the next levels for yourself and investments, 415 00:25:55,780 --> 00:25:58,040 funding that comes in many forms. 416 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,460 Are you willing to see it? 417 00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:05,780 Are you willing to do what it takes to move your hero's journey, your vision to that next 418 00:26:05,780 --> 00:26:06,920 level? 419 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,780 Are you willing to look at that or do you shy away from it? 420 00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:12,380 Do you decide not to? 421 00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:13,620 Only you know the answer to that. 422 00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:17,620 Nobody can judge that from the external and say that you did the wrong thing. 423 00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:18,620 It's your life. 424 00:26:18,620 --> 00:26:21,380 Thanks for exploring that with me guys. 425 00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:25,460 That was a little deeper than I planned on and probably a little too deep for myself, 426 00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:28,900 including I was a little bit out of my zone there. 427 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:34,300 But we are going to dive into a little bit of a darker subject, if you will. 428 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:41,900 And that is, what is the worst leadership experience that you've ever had? 429 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:47,860 Just to get clear on that question, you mean like it's something like me being mentored 430 00:26:47,860 --> 00:26:53,060 or within the hierarchy of someone? 431 00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:55,140 You get to define how you want to go with it. 432 00:26:55,140 --> 00:27:00,380 So it's the worst leadership experience you've ever had or seen. 433 00:27:00,380 --> 00:27:03,720 And with the idea, here's what I'll center us on. 434 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,620 What experience can you share about that that will help other visionaries learn to maybe 435 00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:13,260 not follow that same path or get out of a situation they might be stuck in? 436 00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:19,980 You know, you're going to be guided to something and it's going to help somebody. 437 00:27:19,980 --> 00:27:22,820 I have an example from my own life. 438 00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:24,420 I've always been an entrepreneur. 439 00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:29,780 I always refused to have a decent job, like other people would say. 440 00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:32,780 And at a certain point, I had a martial arts school. 441 00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:36,140 That was a business that I had for a long time. 442 00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:39,180 I'm doing martial arts since I'm a kid. 443 00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:42,340 That's one of the main things I did all of my life. 444 00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:48,760 And then I had the opportunity to take on more projects and there were big projects. 445 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:57,460 One was having a new kind of juice production in South America and then delivering it to 446 00:27:57,460 --> 00:28:01,140 the US and Europe and like big projects. 447 00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:08,180 And I took on three projects at the same time, still having my school as one of these projects. 448 00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:12,500 And that turned out to be a total failure. 449 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:14,900 I went into a burnout. 450 00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:21,300 And in hindsight, well, first, I always told everyone like, hey, don't take on too many 451 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:22,300 projects. 452 00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:23,300 It doesn't work. 453 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:27,460 But nowadays, I would say if you manage that in a good way, it's possible. 454 00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:32,500 I mean, there are people who have juggled way more projects than three. 455 00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:39,140 The main thing I would say now is I did it out of scarcity. 456 00:28:39,140 --> 00:28:42,620 And that was the big lesson in it. 457 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:47,300 I took on the other projects because they excited me, but also because there was something 458 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:48,300 missing in me. 459 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:53,720 I wanted more than just being the school owner in my hometown. 460 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,640 And I wanted more financial resources. 461 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,620 And then time scarcity came in. 462 00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:05,840 And then financial scarcity came into these projects with it. 463 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,420 And it was just a cascade of scarcity that was driving that. 464 00:29:10,420 --> 00:29:12,820 Also my decision to jump into the projects. 465 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:15,500 And I think that was the big lesson for me. 466 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:16,500 Wow. 467 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:19,780 That is a big awesome lesson. 468 00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:28,220 And it's easy to surrender to the scarcity mindset. 469 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:31,780 It's not hard to fall into that trap and stay there. 470 00:29:31,780 --> 00:29:35,220 Camilla, do you have a worst leadership experience that you wanted to share as well? 471 00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:38,340 Or do we want to move on to the best leadership experience? 472 00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:44,580 Well, maybe one combines the other as well in this kind of story. 473 00:29:44,580 --> 00:29:50,660 And I worked before going more on the entrepreneurial path. 474 00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:59,140 I was in the five-star hotel industry and I worked for a very big hotel company with 475 00:29:59,140 --> 00:30:02,420 places all over the world. 476 00:30:02,420 --> 00:30:06,260 And I was a manager of one outlet of them. 477 00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:12,220 And obviously there were other managers above me and obviously my team beneath me. 478 00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:22,060 And they could have capped me there if the managers above me would have taken the time 479 00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:30,140 to really see who was working there and having more attention and guiding other people. 480 00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:36,200 What I experienced was that my manager was also trying to please his manager and his 481 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:43,140 focus was on that part and losing sides on who's actually my team and beneath me and 482 00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:46,620 how can I help them to raise and come up. 483 00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:53,660 Again, probably scarcity comes in there as well because he was looking for his own career 484 00:30:53,660 --> 00:30:54,940 and path. 485 00:30:54,940 --> 00:31:03,020 But I think as well like for him, he would have more success by really looking out for 486 00:31:03,020 --> 00:31:09,620 his team and helping them to become a great leader and beyond. 487 00:31:09,620 --> 00:31:17,060 And I think there goes as well the best leadership experience is where you're working with someone 488 00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:24,020 who is putting actually their team and the people who are working with them kind of first 489 00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:29,900 and is more let go of this kind of competition, but rather seeing how we can all strive and 490 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:34,740 be more successful together if we lift the other person up. 491 00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:40,500 And I think it can always happen that someone works in a way beneath you in the hierarchy, 492 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:45,740 but actually has a lot of skills that are greater than yourself. 493 00:31:45,740 --> 00:31:52,100 And that's what I try to always remember for myself as well when we have in our hero tribe 494 00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:59,300 people that we're working with, that I see what their skills are and that I try to lift 495 00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:04,340 them and that it's okay for me if one day whatever, maybe they leave the hero tribe 496 00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:10,900 because they're going to do and do their own projects, but that's how we serve the world. 497 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:13,920 Wow, that is phenomenal. 498 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,580 You taught me something phenomenal. 499 00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:21,940 I just grabbed a little vision out of that of, oh my goodness, this is an incredibly 500 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:26,100 important assessment to give entrepreneurs to help them open their eyes. 501 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:32,660 It would be so powerful to, there's ways to manipulate on this too, that are not fair 502 00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:36,300 and there's ways that are valuable for the growth of a business. 503 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:40,780 But I was imagining myself in a conference asking entrepreneurs to stand up who've been 504 00:32:40,780 --> 00:32:45,340 at it for 10 years or five years, whatever, and then asking them the question, okay, who 505 00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:48,300 has more than 10, let's get the people who have more than 10 employees in their team 506 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:53,300 and then say, okay, your employees, the one, three that work closest to you, do you know 507 00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:55,540 their birthdays? 508 00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:56,540 What's their birthdays? 509 00:32:56,540 --> 00:32:59,420 Do you know their anniversaries? 510 00:32:59,420 --> 00:33:01,060 How many kids do so and so have? 511 00:33:01,060 --> 00:33:04,020 What are their names? 512 00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:07,780 That could go really far, really fast towards manipulation and coercion of something that's 513 00:33:07,780 --> 00:33:11,860 maybe not as, what's your favorite color? 514 00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:15,700 Come on, maybe favorite color is not the most important, but you hit on it. 515 00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:18,620 You just talked about what they're good at. 516 00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:24,020 I would add to it, what's their favorite thing to do at work? 517 00:33:24,020 --> 00:33:28,740 I bet most entrepreneurs would fail to answer that question correctly. 518 00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:34,000 I bet they'd point to what that person's great at and completely overlook what that person 519 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,060 wants to be doing in the company. 520 00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:43,420 And you're right, we don't take enough time to dive in and understand why do people work 521 00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:44,700 with us? 522 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:46,860 What do they want to accomplish? 523 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:48,420 What do they want to learn? 524 00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:49,420 How do they want to grow? 525 00:33:49,420 --> 00:33:56,420 And if we did, and I've seen the benefits of company to do dive into that, what they're 526 00:33:56,420 --> 00:33:57,420 able to accomplish. 527 00:33:57,420 --> 00:34:00,660 Camilla, that's absolutely brilliant. 528 00:34:00,660 --> 00:34:04,220 Moving towards best leadership experience, I think you just accomplished one of the best 529 00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:06,860 leadership experience I've seen on this show. 530 00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:10,260 So what is the best leadership experience you've ever had though? 531 00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:13,420 I won't put a rooftop on you. 532 00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:17,980 I have a feeling there's more. 533 00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:29,180 Well, I can just jump in what comes to my mind, where I enjoy leadership the most, like 534 00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:34,100 conducting it, being in the position of the leader or receiving it is actually in martial 535 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:35,940 arts. 536 00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:42,540 Because a good martial arts teacher for me, I always try to do that is in the brunt of 537 00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:44,260 the action, right in it. 538 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:52,020 I never liked when my master or I taught my students in that way that you sit in the corner 539 00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:55,460 of the room and you say, yeah, 100 pushups more. 540 00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:59,140 No, I'm going to do the 100 pushups with them. 541 00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:02,180 And if I fail and just do 90, who cares? 542 00:35:02,180 --> 00:35:04,740 Maybe my best student can do the 100. 543 00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:12,060 Or I always like to do very hard like combat exercises where you fight against four people. 544 00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:18,940 And the aim of the exercise is you can't win it. 545 00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:23,740 That's a typical strategy in martial arts, go into exercise that you can't win. 546 00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:25,380 And of course, I go first. 547 00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:27,900 I need to do that as the martial arts teacher. 548 00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:33,500 And that is first most enjoyable for me as the leader, actually. 549 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:40,620 And also I love when my masters did that and not stood in the corner and screamed at us. 550 00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:43,140 You survived the negative experience. 551 00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:44,500 I did not. 552 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:45,580 I was a yellow belt. 553 00:35:45,580 --> 00:35:50,500 I made it to yellow belt and one red stripe. 554 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,100 And that's exactly why I stopped. 555 00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:55,820 So here I was in my martial arts class. 556 00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:56,820 I was in kindergarten. 557 00:35:56,820 --> 00:36:02,820 One, I already knew how to fight, but they weren't teaching very many disciplines. 558 00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:07,460 And there was this black belt in my great like he was already a black belt at that young 559 00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:08,740 and he would pick on people. 560 00:36:08,740 --> 00:36:12,820 And I beat the crap out of him several times for picking on people. 561 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:14,820 So don't get me wrong. 562 00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:16,100 That's not the best lesson on this. 563 00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:17,100 But here's the point. 564 00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:22,180 I'm going to that martial arts class now and I jump over this wooden sword and they say, 565 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,740 go see sensei to get your next stripe. 566 00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:26,340 And so I go see the sensei. 567 00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:27,660 And here's what I saw. 568 00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:34,340 I saw a non-Asian sitting at a desk using whiteout. 569 00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:39,620 And I thought ninjas don't use whiteout. 570 00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:40,620 What is this? 571 00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:45,860 He's not really engaged and he was very overweight. 572 00:36:45,860 --> 00:36:46,860 Not necessarily a problem. 573 00:36:46,860 --> 00:36:48,300 Maybe he's going for the sumo thing. 574 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:59,300 But there was no essence of the culture of like what the pure qi qiang, the qi qiang, 575 00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:04,320 the martial arts aspects, the principles of the East that I've come to learn about 576 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,320 more. 577 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,540 It was just a babysitting process of being there and saving mom time and yes, be nice 578 00:37:10,540 --> 00:37:12,380 and use these values to the best of your ability. 579 00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:15,540 But it wasn't like it wasn't what you just described. 580 00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:20,300 A leadership opportunity where you're seeing that person lead by example. 581 00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:22,620 Yeah, that would have been fun. 582 00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:23,620 That would have been cool. 583 00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:25,340 Yeah, I think it has to be. 584 00:37:25,340 --> 00:37:29,580 Otherwise, it's like you say, there are these macdojos, how they are called, where it's 585 00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:31,220 just a money making machine. 586 00:37:31,220 --> 00:37:36,700 And it's just a bit of Asian, I don't know, icing on the cake. 587 00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:41,220 But yeah, you want the real thing. 588 00:37:41,220 --> 00:37:44,500 Any ninjas out there, you're welcome to use whiteout or you're welcome to roast me in 589 00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:46,580 the comments, by the way. 590 00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:51,700 But it did destroy my little kindergarten appreciation for martial arts for a little 591 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:52,700 while. 592 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:57,740 What powerful lesson, now if this was the last chance to share a lesson in your life, 593 00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:05,300 what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn from your experience? 594 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:15,620 So I have to think with this question about, well, this one, yeah, anyway, if you're a 595 00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:29,420 visionary to really not to give up and not to give in and to keep this vision of yours 596 00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:38,660 with as many tools that you have alive, because it is so easy to kind of give in with, yeah, 597 00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:44,340 things that happen in life that kind of more draw you down and take you down and to then, 598 00:38:44,340 --> 00:38:50,460 yeah, ask you, doubt yourself about the vision that you have. 599 00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:56,300 And there are wonderful tools out there, like a simple thing, like a vision board that reminds 600 00:38:56,300 --> 00:39:02,860 you every day that why or what you want to do and where you want to go. 601 00:39:02,860 --> 00:39:07,380 And that really keeps you going on this path. 602 00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:14,900 I think that's one thing that really helped me when I started, what I'd say was my really 603 00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:20,060 hero's journey and being aware of it, that I use these tools to get me going because 604 00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:25,900 there were really hard times, especially also if you have a vision that requires you to 605 00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:30,940 make a lot of changes, because it's going to be a test. 606 00:39:30,940 --> 00:39:37,660 And yeah, being in the extraordinary world and facing the dragon or the demon within 607 00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:39,700 you. 608 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:41,700 So yeah, that's my part. 609 00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:48,420 And I want to add another one is to take the time to look inside. 610 00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:58,380 And Sasha talked about the onion and really for bringing your vision into life, for being 611 00:39:58,380 --> 00:40:04,220 your heroic identity who can hold the space for it as well to work on yourself and to 612 00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:11,180 look at the dark side that every one of us has and not to fight them, but to embrace 613 00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:18,380 them and to reunite these parts of you because it is all you and it all belongs to you. 614 00:40:18,380 --> 00:40:25,300 And to bring your vision into life, you need to reunite it and embrace it. 615 00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:30,840 And I think that's the way to a fulfilled and successful life and looking back one day 616 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:36,060 when the time comes to say goodbye to the physical body, to feel happy and satisfied 617 00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:39,300 of what you accomplished and what you did. 618 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:40,300 Awesome. 619 00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:44,020 Sasha, what's your powerful lesson? 620 00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:54,180 I would go one step deeper maybe and also remind us that I had to learn that very often 621 00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:59,100 in my life that the vision that we hold is extremely important. 622 00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:08,080 But most of the time, I think it is not what we really, really deep inside want and need. 623 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,300 If it's an external thing, if you want to create a beautiful company, if you want to, 624 00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:20,820 I don't know, set up a new social media platform or whatever, you should all strive for that 625 00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:27,140 and do it, but that's usually not the end goal your soul is really striving for. 626 00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:33,580 But the only way how you find out what is the next layer of the onion is by doing it, 627 00:41:33,580 --> 00:41:35,340 by pursuing the vision. 628 00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:42,260 That's maybe the mistake that we often do is either we cling to that vision and we hold 629 00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:50,100 it and we are super disappointed when we are there and we made it and we feel then empty 630 00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:53,700 again because that's how it's supposed to be. 631 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:59,980 This emptiness brings us to the next hero's journey, the next stage, or we are so discouraged 632 00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:03,420 by all of that that we don't even start. 633 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:10,500 And the only way is to pierce through all these projects and visions and I believe you 634 00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:13,500 come closer and closer to what you really want. 635 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:18,380 And maybe in the end, you will find out, I'm just happy with sitting here and looking at 636 00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:22,500 the ducks. 637 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:23,500 That is awesome. 638 00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,660 That was an epic ending too. 639 00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:31,540 I hope that someday we turn that into one of those motivational videos on YouTube that 640 00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:36,020 goes super viral where it's just like it ends with and it's really all about looking at 641 00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:37,020 the duck. 642 00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:38,020 That was so perfect. 643 00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:39,020 That was so cool. 644 00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:45,020 Guys, one of the fun things about my role in these interviews is that I also get to 645 00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:47,900 build on what was just said. 646 00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:53,940 And the real brilliance is the people who set the foundation and recognizing the holistic 647 00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:54,940 nature of math. 648 00:42:54,940 --> 00:43:00,540 If I have three mathematicians that all have five minutes to work through a formula, the 649 00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:05,260 same formula, and build upon it, it doesn't mean one person's five minutes is any less 650 00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:09,540 important or valuable than the other person's. 651 00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:15,420 If you're constructing with the idea to continue to build upon, then everybody has contributed 652 00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:16,940 something super holistic. 653 00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:26,540 So Camilla, well said on taking the time to look inside, not fighting yourself, but embracing 654 00:43:26,540 --> 00:43:30,700 and reuniting what's there, beautifully said. 655 00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:37,780 I really like this addition too of Sasha's, that the vision, and it reminds me of something 656 00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:42,780 that I have been refining within myself in the last year. 657 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:46,460 So the vision that we hold is extremely important, but it's not we deeply want and need. 658 00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:53,020 The only way you find your purpose is through that vision though, paraphrasing a bit here. 659 00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:54,580 My ego got the best of me. 660 00:43:54,580 --> 00:44:00,820 And I used to say, Stephen Covey's quote, begin with the end of mind is cool, but, and 661 00:44:00,820 --> 00:44:07,820 I would use that negative, I say begin with the vision in mind because I can see the trees 662 00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:10,540 on that horizon over there. 663 00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:14,900 And then when I get there, I'll be able to get to the next vision and I have a new vision. 664 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:18,940 And as I started to meditate on that over the last couple of months, I realized like, 665 00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:23,740 Nope, I do what I do because I know the end in mind. 666 00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:30,300 And I started to shift my wording to the reflection that you've so eloquently put out there Sasha 667 00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:36,580 of remembering that, no, no, no, I very much know my destination and my purpose and what 668 00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:38,540 and who I am. 669 00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:43,220 And I can also be, I can begin with both in mind, right? 670 00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:49,040 That's the beauty of math and knowing how to add to in life rather than subtract from. 671 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,260 So thank you both for incredibly powerful lessons. 672 00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:59,380 We'll take some time to talk about the hero tribe and you know, all of this, this whole 673 00:44:59,380 --> 00:45:05,780 conversation has really been about fully engaging in the hero's journey and you know, digging 674 00:45:05,780 --> 00:45:09,580 inward and finding deeper elements of our souls and what we've learned. 675 00:45:09,580 --> 00:45:16,820 And the byproduct of that to me is, is living your purpose, but I'd love for you guys to 676 00:45:16,820 --> 00:45:17,820 take more time. 677 00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:19,080 Tell us about the hero tribe. 678 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,420 Tell us about this topic, whatever you'd like the last five minutes, really four, three, 679 00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:27,980 four minutes are yours. 680 00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:36,880 Yeah, the, the hero tribe for us is this it's, it's actually what we always wanted to have. 681 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:44,980 It's not something that we created on, on a, on a board and planned for, for many years. 682 00:45:44,980 --> 00:45:50,540 It is we wanted to live our hero's journey. 683 00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:58,740 And pretty quickly when you dive into that, you find limitations, limitations come in 684 00:45:58,740 --> 00:46:04,980 the surrounding very often that you have the, maybe the job that you're stuck in the, the 685 00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:13,060 people that surround you and maybe not support your unfolding in a way that you wish to experience. 686 00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:19,660 And then for us, the logical thing was, okay, let's, let's create a tribe that is empowering 687 00:46:19,660 --> 00:46:26,260 and where everyone is put on the position of being the hero. 688 00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:30,940 And we are a band of heroes supporting each other, a fellowship. 689 00:46:30,940 --> 00:46:36,460 That's kind of the foundation of the tribe and it branched out into many, many things. 690 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:43,620 We started with this spirit of the hero camps where you can go into a week or 12 days in 691 00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:51,700 Italy with us into fully being in, in your heroic self through embodiment training, through 692 00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:55,780 going through the process of the 12 steps of the hero's journey. 693 00:46:55,780 --> 00:47:02,620 And then we found out like, okay, people want more, they don't want just to do that once 694 00:47:02,620 --> 00:47:09,980 a year with us in Italy or France or Poland or wherever we have done the camps, but they 695 00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:11,560 want that on a constant basis. 696 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:17,760 So that also brought us online and we have the, what we call the hero tribe Academy where 697 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,660 you can do that constantly. 698 00:47:19,660 --> 00:47:21,940 You can join master classes with us. 699 00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:26,020 You have this super empowering tribe of people around you. 700 00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:34,740 You go through this process of shedding the layers of the onion and going deeper and deeper. 701 00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:37,740 And that is very profound. 702 00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:43,700 And also, yeah, like Camilla already mentioned before, sometimes people also shy away from 703 00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:48,980 it because that's the refusal of the call mentioned in the hero's journey. 704 00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:49,980 That's totally fine. 705 00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:57,140 We will then just chase them and see that we get them back on the path. 706 00:47:57,140 --> 00:47:58,140 Cool. 707 00:47:58,140 --> 00:48:04,900 What I'd love to add is like, maybe also like why we call ours like the hero tribe. 708 00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:07,220 It has these two components of the hero. 709 00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:12,860 We want them to realize they are the main character of their world, of their life and 710 00:48:12,860 --> 00:48:13,860 the hero. 711 00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:20,380 But there's also the part of tribe because like just being kind of on an ego trip is 712 00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:22,620 not what we mean with being a hero. 713 00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:25,300 No, the tribe is super important. 714 00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:29,620 And that's where what's happened and what developed with the hero tribe over the last 715 00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:36,540 years as well, that it also became a community where people really support each other and 716 00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:41,100 hold each other up on in moments where they are down and celebrate each other when you 717 00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:46,060 have some wins because I think that's also missing in the society that someone tells 718 00:48:46,060 --> 00:48:49,300 you something that you accomplish. 719 00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:53,540 And sometimes, yeah, people start again with being, I don't know, jealous or competition 720 00:48:53,540 --> 00:48:54,540 or whatever. 721 00:48:54,540 --> 00:48:56,260 But no, just celebrate it. 722 00:48:56,260 --> 00:49:01,340 If someone's, I don't know, was successful again, like a child, you know, the child, 723 00:49:01,340 --> 00:49:05,980 I don't know, walked his first step and everyone's like cheering the parents. 724 00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:08,140 And we can still do that when we are adults. 725 00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:13,420 So we love this playful part as well, like you see us sometimes in some, I don't know, 726 00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:14,420 costumes. 727 00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:17,900 If you come to a camp, you work with us, you don't have to wear a costume, but you're very 728 00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:22,820 welcome to do it if it makes you happy and if you have fun with it. 729 00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:23,820 That's awesome. 730 00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:26,820 I love y'all's branding. 731 00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:31,620 My goodness, there's so much intentfulness, right? 732 00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:35,900 Intentionality is probably the better word for what y'all have built. 733 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:43,340 The way you are able to help people feel emotionally, what you've dedicated your lives to, it's 734 00:49:43,340 --> 00:49:44,340 inspiring. 735 00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:51,500 You know, and it's a, to me, it's the greatest expression of, artistic expression of what's 736 00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:52,500 going on within. 737 00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:55,100 You know, how much this means to you. 738 00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:59,900 And I know how much money, I know how much sacrifice and investment goes into creating 739 00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:01,340 something of that magnitude. 740 00:50:01,340 --> 00:50:02,740 So I opted in. 741 00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:09,820 I'm very excited to explore how our paths continue to cross as life unfolds. 742 00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:16,100 And I just want to thank you guys for leading the way you're leading the language, right? 743 00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:20,100 Skills that you've put into learning German and English to be able to communicate with 744 00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:21,900 multiple people throughout the world. 745 00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:30,020 The dedication you've put into communication skills as well, in addition to language skills. 746 00:50:30,020 --> 00:50:32,020 What an awesome, awesome show experience. 747 00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:36,980 So in the show notes, visionaries who are listening in, there's going to be action steps 748 00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:38,940 down below this episode. 749 00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:42,940 And we'll try to put on there the best action steps, the clearest action steps to take if 750 00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:45,900 you want to continue your journey with Camilla and Sasha. 751 00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:47,980 And then there's also a button at the top. 752 00:50:47,980 --> 00:50:48,980 That's my bias preference. 753 00:50:48,980 --> 00:50:51,420 And it says, be our guest. 754 00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:55,020 We'd love to see you apply and share your journey with us. 755 00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:59,500 You know, you may have a brand that is as complete as Camilla and Sasha's and the Elon 756 00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:01,900 Musk's and the Bill Gates of the world. 757 00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:08,900 You may also have no brand, but you have a heart and a vision of what you want to do 758 00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:10,620 to serve others. 759 00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:11,620 We want to hear that. 760 00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:12,620 We want to hear about it. 761 00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:13,980 We want to know what you're up to. 762 00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:19,580 And if you have a comment for us, a question, don't hesitate to drop those in social media 763 00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:20,580 as well. 764 00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:24,440 And we'll make sure that we at least get Camilla and Sasha's attention. 765 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,740 And as they brilliantly said on their contact us page, send them a telepathic message as 766 00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:29,740 well. 767 00:51:29,740 --> 00:51:31,820 I know you want to work with them. 768 00:51:31,820 --> 00:51:35,060 I like so much about what I saw today, guys. 769 00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:37,020 Yav, anything you want to add before we go? 770 00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:39,180 I know I'm about to go over our time. 771 00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:45,140 Well, I just want to add thank you so much as well for having us here and also for doing 772 00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:51,940 what you are providing here and sharing the word with all the wonderful, beautiful projects 773 00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:57,420 that are up here in this world and that try to, like all the people who try to make the 774 00:51:57,420 --> 00:52:01,500 world a better place and inspire others. 775 00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:04,300 And so, yeah, thank you so much for having this conversation. 776 00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:05,300 I think we had a lot of fun. 777 00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:06,300 That was awesome. 778 00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:07,300 Thank you, Jason. 779 00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:08,300 It was fun. 780 00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:09,300 Absolutely. 781 00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:10,300 It's my honor. 782 00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:14,380 Vision Pros, everybody have a fantastic rest of your day and we will see you on the next 783 00:52:14,380 --> 00:52:15,380 episode. 784 00:52:15,380 --> 00:52:16,380 Take care, everybody. 785 00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:17,380 Thank you for being here today. 786 00:52:17,380 --> 00:52:19,820 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 787 00:52:19,820 --> 00:52:24,580 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward. 788 00:52:24,580 --> 00:52:28,220 This is going to get more and more fun, more and more engagement as well. 789 00:52:28,220 --> 00:52:32,020 We'll invite people to participate in the show and thank you for giving us your time 790 00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:33,020 and attention. 791 00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:55,740 I hope you have an excellent time building out your vision.