1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,600 and we'll go from there. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,180 So awesome. 3 00:00:04,180 --> 00:00:08,740 So you got the full stack of rookie cards I don't have. 4 00:00:08,740 --> 00:00:10,860 I got the poster and you know, 5 00:00:10,860 --> 00:00:14,240 I've been a massive fan of the I Promise School. 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,500 You're building something in a virtual format 7 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:19,420 that just looks as amazing to me. 8 00:00:19,420 --> 00:00:21,600 So are you a fan of LeBron? 9 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:22,860 Love LeBron James. 10 00:00:22,860 --> 00:00:25,140 I was a big basketball player as a kid 11 00:00:25,140 --> 00:00:28,900 and at the time I used to collect basketball cards. 12 00:00:28,900 --> 00:00:31,640 One of my friends had this like Michael Jordan rookie card 13 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,240 and I wanted it, 14 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,960 but realized it was way out of my budget 15 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,400 and everyone was talking about this LeBron James guy 16 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,240 and how he was gonna be the next Michael Jordan. 17 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,080 So I rushed to the NBA store and got my rookie card set. 18 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,980 I have 20 of them thinking one day, you know, 19 00:00:44,980 --> 00:00:46,220 I'd sell them for a fortune. 20 00:00:46,220 --> 00:00:48,820 And now they just have so much sentimental value. 21 00:00:48,820 --> 00:00:51,360 I can't even imagine selling them. 22 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,580 Right, absolutely. 23 00:00:52,580 --> 00:00:53,760 That's awesome. 24 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,860 Oh man, I couldn't either. 25 00:00:55,860 --> 00:00:57,920 Maybe my kids, maybe one of my kids 26 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,820 will not have the same. 27 00:00:59,820 --> 00:01:00,820 I was thinking like, oh, you know, 28 00:01:00,820 --> 00:01:02,940 I gotta go and get them signed and autographed, 29 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:05,120 but then I'm like, that'll increase the value of them 30 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,600 and I'm still not gonna sell them. 31 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:07,440 So what's the... 32 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,520 Right. 33 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,000 So how influential has the I Promise School been 34 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,380 on your venture? 35 00:01:15,380 --> 00:01:17,920 And I guess like, when did it start the idea 36 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,720 of launching Practice BC? 37 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,520 Yeah, so I actually started Practice Benefit Corp in 2010. 38 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,960 So originally as Practice Makes Perfect, 39 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:28,640 we went through a couple of iterations, 40 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,200 but we're in year 14. 41 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,240 So not a lot of inspiration from I Promise, 42 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,860 but I definitely like followed what they've been doing there. 43 00:01:36,860 --> 00:01:39,560 And you and I were just talking right before this 44 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,920 about the media headlines that they're in. 45 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,560 And I'm happy to jump in and talk a little bit about that, 46 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,840 but we're not just virtual, we're virtual and in person. 47 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,920 We also have a host of curricular services for schools 48 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,080 and grade book and behavior management software. 49 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,720 So over the 14 years, we've definitely expanded our repertoire 50 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,240 of being able to support urban school leaders. 51 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,520 Yes, I love it, man. 52 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,920 I can't wait to show the audience 53 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,860 what you've been up to, why this matters so much. 54 00:02:06,860 --> 00:02:09,640 One of the quotes in your scissor reel 55 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:13,240 talked about how we as a society, 56 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,040 or me myself as a parent, 57 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,220 it's not enough to just take interest 58 00:02:18,220 --> 00:02:20,320 in my own kid's success. 59 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,880 And I couldn't agree more with that. 60 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,120 I mean, I served a mission in Uruguay for two years, 61 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 and it caught my attention. 62 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,540 And I was a product of multiple homes. 63 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:34,400 I needed a father role model in my life. 64 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,880 A lot of people took me in and helped me out. 65 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,920 I know how important it is for me to be there 66 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:43,960 for as many people as I can be responsibly. 67 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,800 You seem to have a similar background with that. 68 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,520 You lost your father. 69 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Is that what drove that sentiment home, 70 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,000 or was it something that you already knew and followed? 71 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,700 Yeah, I mean, I think I've always been prone to service. 72 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:03,400 It's just been something I've been wired to do more of. 73 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,140 But as I started to learn about the disparities 74 00:03:06,140 --> 00:03:09,120 in education and losing my father, 75 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,960 and then being blessed with so many incredible mentors 76 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,880 throughout my formative years, 77 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,680 I just realized how important it was 78 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,040 and how much of a difference it could make. 79 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,240 And I think at an educational level, 80 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,640 it may make sense to me, 81 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:24,800 but it may not more broadly to folks, 82 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,680 because I think sometimes in society, 83 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,440 we think we're more independent than we are interdependent. 84 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,040 But if the pandemic has taught us anything, 85 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,280 and even what we're seeing now with this widespread wars 86 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,280 is that we are in a world where we need to coexist 87 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,040 and we need to understand what coexistence looks like. 88 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,320 And there is a whole host of interdependencies, 89 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,960 whether we wanna accept it or not. 90 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,680 It is our fate and it is our reality. 91 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,200 So when a pandemic starts in China 92 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,720 and gets all the way to the United States, that impacts us. 93 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,120 When there's a wildfire in California 94 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,680 and the smog gets all the way to Canada and New York, 95 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:02,760 that impacts us. 96 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,520 So we can't live in isolation, 97 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,600 and it's no different when we're thinking about a society 98 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,360 and we each other as like people and humans. 99 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,540 Absolutely. 100 00:04:13,540 --> 00:04:15,960 So there's a lot of visionaries listening in 101 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,480 that have visions and they could be in the start 102 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:19,320 of their journey. 103 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,360 You have been on some of the biggest stages. 104 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,120 What are three resources? 105 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,280 It could be books, movies, activities, academies, et cetera. 106 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:28,800 What are three resources you'd recommend 107 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,880 for any visionary to take a look at? 108 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,300 Yeah, I've been like hooked on Hidden Brain 109 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:37,400 is just a podcast for your like ongoing learning journey. 110 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,680 I think they release a free episode once a week. 111 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,720 Scaling Up, it's a book by Vern Harnish. 112 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,360 It's kind of like the startup Bible better 113 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,020 than a lot of the books that I've read out there 114 00:04:48,020 --> 00:04:50,020 because it's like pretty straightforward 115 00:04:50,020 --> 00:04:53,860 and not as complicated, but relevant at every single stage. 116 00:04:53,860 --> 00:04:55,080 And the more you read it, 117 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,160 the more you're gonna get out of it 118 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,680 depending on where you are. 119 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,200 And then I think my next favorite I'd say 120 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,480 is the E-Myth by Michael Graver. 121 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:04,940 It's like so simple. 122 00:05:04,940 --> 00:05:06,500 I read it once in the very beginning 123 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:08,200 and it like went over my head 124 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,560 and then had to pick it up again a few times 125 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,240 and by the second or third time, 126 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,840 it just again read very differently 127 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:15,640 but goes to the essence of like 128 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,920 why we build things in the first place 129 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,360 and what they mean for us as individuals. 130 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,400 And until we could get to the core 131 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,000 of what the implications are 132 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,840 for anything that we're building in our own lives, 133 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:28,680 it's silly to assume that we wanna go out there 134 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,840 and build something with a much larger impact. 135 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:32,920 You know, I think the example he has 136 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,060 is like the baker who's baking who loves to bake, 137 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:36,860 but then all of a sudden finds herself 138 00:05:36,860 --> 00:05:38,960 in a restaurant that she can't manage 139 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,960 because she never wanted to be in the business of baking. 140 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,800 And so I think super crucial for any visionary 141 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,520 to know why you're there at the beginning 142 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:46,560 or resources you're going 143 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,400 and then something to keep your brain stimulated 144 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,480 and learning every single week. 145 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:51,660 You bring up a great point. 146 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:53,440 The E-Myth is a book that I tell people 147 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,040 I regret not reading the day it came across my desk 148 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,840 eight years previously. 149 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:02,360 And I may not have had the depth of understanding 150 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,240 and experience prior to to fully appreciate 151 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,120 the extreme value that that book is. 152 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,320 So great resources. 153 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,160 Thank you for that. 154 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,600 I'm definitely getting scaling up 155 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,960 and I got to check out the Hidden Brain podcast as well. 156 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,440 So without further ado, 157 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,040 we're gonna cut to the break everybody. 158 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,120 Join us for Kareem Abulnagas, 159 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,280 dreaming big vision, 160 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:28,320 impacting a million young lives by 2030. 161 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,720 I think he's gonna impact way more than that. 162 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,800 You'll see in just a minute. 163 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,000 All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live. 164 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,080 With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host. 165 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,760 We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs 166 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,720 and guest leaders who are building 167 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,240 fantastic visions out there. 168 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:52,880 Hey, what's up everybody? 169 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,120 Welcome in to another episode of Vision Pros Live. 170 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,720 I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, 171 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,960 founder and CEO of First Class Business. 172 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,660 And I'm super excited today. 173 00:07:00,660 --> 00:07:02,320 It's one of those, 174 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,040 I'm actually nervous excited to host Karim Aboulnaga 175 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,400 because he is building a vision that is so sacred to me, 176 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,680 so powerful and so exciting 177 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,720 that I'm like desperate to get it right. 178 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,320 I wanna make sure that all of you understand the value 179 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,400 of what's here because you're going to learn so much 180 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,240 from being able to see what he's built and how he's built it. 181 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,680 And we all have an opportunity to learn so much 182 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,640 about what we can do to help out even further in society 183 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,480 by following his lead. 184 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,020 Before I bring Karim on stage, of course, 185 00:07:34,020 --> 00:07:35,900 I'm gonna talk about some sponsors 186 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:38,080 that could be extremely helpful for you as well. 187 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,400 I'm actually gonna ask Kareem too, 188 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,400 if he doesn't mind allowing us to also promote his program 189 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:47,120 as a sponsorship as we continue to move forward as well. 190 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,800 So we got the law spot with Melissa Gray. 191 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,240 Melissa Gray is an attorney. 192 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 When she came on our show, I was a bit apprehensive. 193 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,680 I'm not a big fan of attorneys, 194 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,680 most of them to be honest with you, 195 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,640 but she came in with this nurturing attitude. 196 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,800 She understands that law doesn't have to be complicated. 197 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,520 And as I really listened to what she was talking about 198 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,080 and started to understand how she helps businesses, 199 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,380 I was like, you know, of all the businesses I've worked with, 200 00:08:12,380 --> 00:08:15,760 probably less than 5% have somebody on retainer. 201 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,280 And out of those 5%, 202 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,200 they probably took one of the first people they found 203 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,880 on Google rather than doing their research 204 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,760 and making sure they protected themselves. 205 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,640 Now I've shared this story a lot, 206 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:26,480 but if you haven't heard it, 207 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,280 you know, we had a $20,000 trademark lawsuit 208 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,520 at Restaurant Connect, we were able to win, 209 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,920 but I don't think it had to cost us $20,000 210 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,360 have we just done our research correctly. 211 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,400 I've also dealt with cease and desist, 212 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,800 I've also dealt with non-competes 213 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,320 and many other realities that if I had just found the person 214 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,120 that I could talk to and felt like I could trust 215 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,040 that wasn't charging me for every minute of my time with them, 216 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,140 I probably could have handled situations 217 00:08:52,140 --> 00:08:52,980 a little bit better too. 218 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:56,040 So I highly recommend including her in your lineup 219 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,880 of resources to research. 220 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,680 This is one of those bite the bullet moments, 221 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:00,680 find the right person, 222 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:02,000 make sure that you've done your research well 223 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,960 and learn to be a wise steward of your venture. 224 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,920 Then there's Andrew Sosin of Recovery Unplugged 225 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,480 and Recovery Unplugged is a program that is, 226 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,520 it's not nationwide, but it's in many different cities now 227 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,840 and he's got over 400 employees. 228 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,400 Andrew has built a drug and alcohol addiction 229 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,400 treatment program that also expands 230 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,440 beyond traditional drugs and alcohol. 231 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,060 Really all addictions are the same. 232 00:09:26,060 --> 00:09:28,000 If there's something that is a vice that is getting your way, 233 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,080 it could be Netflix, it could be apps 234 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,720 that you're spending too much time playing games on. 235 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,360 There's so many things that we can do that turn into devices 236 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,560 and as entrepreneurs, we tend to have addictive personality. 237 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:42,200 So whether this helps you directly as a resource 238 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,720 or this is something that helps a family member 239 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,520 or friend who's suffering, you might consider, 240 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,760 they have a 24 seven hotline that you can call and talk to 241 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,280 and they've gone virtual now. 242 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,200 They have virtual capacities and capabilities 243 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,120 because COVID like everybody else, 244 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,280 it affected them and pushed them to an online world. 245 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,960 Well, I think what that did is it empowered them 246 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,120 to be able to serve the masses. 247 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,480 So I've got an entire side of my family 248 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,880 that is plagued by addictions. 249 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,920 I know firsthand as well what it means 250 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,320 to have to overcome it. 251 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,080 And I'm a big fan of a Ted talk too 252 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,480 that's called everything we know about addiction is wrong. 253 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,920 And Andrew Sosin who's been to Tony Robbins program 254 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,880 22 years in a row, taking over a thousand people to it 255 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,840 and has just done an incredible job 256 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,000 of leading by example and creating a team 257 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,880 that is absolutely amazing. 258 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,160 I highly recommend again, checking out this program 259 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,200 and seeing how he's going about changing the world. 260 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,320 Then there's a water project 261 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,640 and the water project is my cause of choice. 262 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,440 There are many causes out there that I'd be happy to support. 263 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,200 If you know of one, feel free to drop it 264 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,120 in the comments, please. 265 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,640 We're always looking for opportunity to serve. 266 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,920 We've got 8 billion people out there to help. 267 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,080 The water projects doing an excellent job in my opinion 268 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,600 of showcasing the value of what they do. 269 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,440 They treat their program like a Kickstarter 270 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,080 and you can choose a community 271 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,560 that literally does not have access to clean drinking water. 272 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,720 You can see how many people live in the community. 273 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,560 You can see the project come to fruition 274 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:10,160 even if you just donate $5. 275 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,720 Now, if you're not in a position to donate, 276 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,360 a lot of people have been affected by the economy. 277 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,560 COVID really hurt people. 278 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:19,360 It continues to stretch people out further and further. 279 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,680 My request is that you just share this 280 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,240 or that you tag somebody who comes to mind 281 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,520 who might be willing or able to help with the cause. 282 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,000 This isn't about pressuring people. 283 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,960 I'm not here saying like, hey, you have to go do this. 284 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:31,800 Like, no, not at all. 285 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,800 But I see this picture on my screen 286 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,000 of these kids celebrating water 287 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,960 with more enthusiasm than my own kids celebrate Christmas. 288 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,240 And we celebrate Christmas like crazy. 289 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,240 So my point being, there's so much need. 290 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,200 There's millions of people who we could step up and help 291 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,680 and then go meditate and ponder 292 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:52,560 on the help that you were able to provide 293 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:54,680 and the good that you were able to do. 294 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:57,440 Feeling good is something that will empower you 295 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,640 to also go about doing more good in your life. 296 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,520 And so I hope you join us on the causes 297 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:02,360 that are in this world. 298 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,840 Now, before I bring Kareem on stage, 299 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,600 I'm gonna play the best sizzler reel we've ever played, 300 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:08,800 one of the most important ones 301 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,320 that I probably ever will play. 302 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,960 And you'll see just why I'm so excited to have him on stage 303 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,800 and what types of things we can do 304 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,920 to help children with education and beyond. 305 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,040 Standing beside me is governing board member Kareem Abunaga. 306 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,400 Kareem Abunaga is CEO and co-founder 307 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,640 of Practice Makes Perfect. 308 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,200 Kareem was named Q-Forbes 30 under 30 list. 309 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,040 His Ted Talk was named one of the most 310 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,960 inspiring speeches of 2017. 311 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,800 Clap three times if you can hear me. 312 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,560 Seven years ago, I started to reform 313 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:43,720 our public education system. 314 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,680 What's even more exciting is that if we can prevent 315 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:50,240 five months of lost time, just by redesigning two months, 316 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,880 imagine the possibilities that we can unlock 317 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,640 by tackling the rest of the calendar year. 318 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,600 What are some of the things that you think 319 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,680 that we as school librarians can do 320 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:03,120 to get our kids fired up about our summer reading programs? 321 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,800 I mean, there's so much today on individualizing 322 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,040 instruction and learning. 323 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,200 The number one reason why kids show up every single day 324 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,560 is because of the relationship they build with their mentors. 325 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:13,640 It's the notion that you wake up every single day 326 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,040 and someone cares about your presence. 327 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,480 My father passed away in 2007. 328 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,000 There we were from middle class to literally rock bottom. 329 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,760 A lot of the experiences that have come through that 330 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,760 have made the individual that I am today. 331 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,640 In low-income neighborhoods, kids forget almost three months 332 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,880 of what they learned during the school year over the summer. 333 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,680 People respond to urgency. 334 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:35,080 Why is this important to you right now? 335 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,680 Why do you care about this today? 336 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:38,120 Why didn't you care about this 10 days ago, 337 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,200 or 20 days ago, or two years ago? 338 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,320 And then why are you the right person 339 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,960 to be doing this work in this moment? 340 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,520 If we truly want to embrace the full potential 341 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,160 of our future, then we need to move away from this notion 342 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,800 of just looking out for my kids and move in the direction 343 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,440 of looking out for all of our kids. 344 00:13:53,440 --> 00:14:17,800 Without further ado, Kareem Abulnaga, thank you so much 345 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,880 for joining us on Vision Pros Live. 346 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,360 Thank you for having me, Jackson. 347 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,160 Great flow to be here. 348 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,680 Great voice from us. 349 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,880 We'll dive into some of my extracurricular questions 350 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,680 in just a minute. 351 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,320 I got to ask you, so what is your vision 352 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,560 for those that you serve? 353 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,560 Because you're serving a lot of people, as we just saw. 354 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,840 Yeah, I mean, we have it internally, 355 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,600 and we say it religiously now. 356 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,520 No child circumstance limits their potential. 357 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,960 And it's not just a slogan. 358 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,720 It really is this understanding that we don't 359 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,200 choose the circumstance or the zip code or the environment 360 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,280 that we're born in. 361 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:58,680 born shouldn't dictate what our life prospects or outcomes are because there's no relationship 362 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:05,120 between genius and zip code. And so it's our job, our responsibility to make sure that 363 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,640 every single child has the resources, has the tools that they need to be able to achieve 364 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,480 their God given potential. 365 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:18,100 Yeah, absolutely. I love that. And I saw very clearly on your website, your team's done 366 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:24,520 a great job of articulating your vision, your mission, your core values, you know, what 367 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,440 it is that you guys are looking to accomplish. And that makes it very easy for leaders like 368 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:35,480 myself to quickly jump on the bandwagon to quickly say, Oh my gosh, like, look at look 369 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:40,320 at what this I want to I want to involved in this, I want to make sure that this succeeds. 370 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,600 So it's a great testament to what we're trying to teach those who are listening in for the 371 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,440 sake of building their own visions. What's your what's your vision for you, though? What 372 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,480 do you see for yourself on the horizon? 373 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,800 There's no no difference. They're actually one in the same. The only thing I add there 374 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,480 is that I'm hustling to make that happen. So yeah, you'll see in every single thing 375 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,500 that I'm doing. It's the push, right? It's this understanding that we need to be scrappy. 376 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:06,680 We need to be resourceful if we're going to change the status quo, if we're not going 377 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,560 to accept what was there before. And I do have to throw that caveat out there that this 378 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:15,960 is year 14, right? All of these things are iterative. I remember starting with this like 379 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:23,560 frustration. And the words I used to use in the early days was this premise that no child's 380 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:28,000 starting point that every single kid, regardless of their race or socioeconomic status, had 381 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,640 equal potential to compete intellectually in our society. And as you can see, it's like 382 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,420 a mouthful, but the essence and the aura of it are still the same. So I want to just be 383 00:16:36,420 --> 00:16:43,880 encouraging to to the visionaries who are starting out that it is an evaluatory process. 384 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:49,520 I just made that word up, but I love it. You're an education. That's good to do. You know, 385 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,400 you start, you continue to build, you add, you take feedback in, you consider how other 386 00:16:54,400 --> 00:17:00,960 people are receiving. And to your point, though, the goal is to recognize that you can't do 387 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,600 the big life changing, mountain moving stuff that's going to have a really big impact on 388 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,700 your own. And so as a leader, your job is to get out there, be as clear and as like 389 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:16,240 inclusive as possible so that other people can join you in doing the work. Because this 390 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,840 isn't in service of me at the end of the day, right? This is in service of society. And 391 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,520 so we need everyone mobile, mobilize and moving in the same direction if we're going to realize 392 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:35,040 the vision that we ultimately want. Yes. So I hold sacred a word that is just so battered 393 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:44,000 and thrown into a blender that you use the hustle word. This is a mission that to me, 394 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:52,000 like, I'm like, go hustle. Kareem, like, let's hustle. Right. Let's get after it. This is 395 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:59,200 about millions, if not billions of people who without our hustle, you know, where do 396 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,880 they, where do they sleep in the future? You know, where do they get their next food? Where 397 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,440 do they get their next job? Where do they get the training they need to get their next 398 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:13,120 job? And this is a hustle that I can absolutely honor and say like, wow, like this is, it's 399 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:30,680 so important. How do you balance living your life and being at peace, enjoying, yeah, enjoying 400 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:38,680 yourself with, you know, and being healthy with that knowledge that man, everybody's 401 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:44,240 counting on you to hustle for this, this brand, for this organization, for the mission and 402 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:52,600 vision. I think in the beginning, it was sort of go 24 seven as much as I possibly could. 403 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,240 And I was having a great conversation, actually, my therapist about this yesterday. So I'll 404 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,480 definitely jump in and share a little bit more of that. But it was 24 seven. And then 405 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,040 I realized, you know, this is a marathon, right? And you don't win a marathon by sprinting 406 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:11,680 the entire time, you have to pace yourself so you can get all the way through the race. 407 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,200 And I was talking to my therapist about this idea of like workaholism, right? I was like, 408 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,440 is this like, the same thing? Am I a workaholic? And am I actually let me take that a step 409 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,320 further saying addicted to work? You know, like, I love what I do. I know why I exist. 410 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,520 I know why God put me on this earth. And that is what I am laser focused on doing. But am 411 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:38,600 I taking that to another level? And he used the analogy of an NFL player. And he was like, 412 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,680 if you were to observe your you're an NFL player, and you were that NFL player, like, 413 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:48,320 what would your life look like? And we took a step back and we said, Yep, the season starts 414 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,760 in July, August, and it runs if you're lucky, all the way until February. And during that 415 00:19:52,760 --> 00:20:00,040 time period, it is game film, sometimes two days in the gym, continuing to make sure that 416 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:05,420 you're watching out for your nutrition. And there are really very few if any distractions. 417 00:20:05,420 --> 00:20:09,480 And then you finish the season. And what's what's the off season look like? Well, the 418 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:14,000 off season is preparing for the following season. And so from the outside looking in, 419 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,440 we look at any pro athlete, and we'd say, you know what, that person is a workaholic, 420 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:24,480 right? But are they addicted to work? And we can stomach the other reality, which is 421 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,760 that for all of these like pro athletes, and for anyone who's in there driving their their 422 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,560 living their purpose and pushing towards a mission, our time is finite. There will come 423 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,480 a day in a time where we no longer get to choose whether or not we continue to play, 424 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:44,040 right? Whether it's an injury, or we're past our prime or our peak, and I kind of feel 425 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,680 like right now and at least for the last 14 years, so to get people comfort and knowing 426 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:54,760 that it can sustain you for a while that I'm in that zone of, I know exactly why God put 427 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,680 me here. And I need to maximize the time and the effort and the energy that I put into 428 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,300 making sure that we can change the circumstance for a lot of kids who are growing up just 429 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:08,760 like me. And so I don't know if that gives me another 10 years or another 50 years, but 430 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,240 knowing that it's finite continues to drive me to move forward. And yes, it's a marathon. 431 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,200 So there is self care, like I'm talking about a therapist, I get my sleep, I know what my 432 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:25,040 values are, and I do everything I can to make sure that things feel balanced in the odd 433 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,040 sense that we can balance things in. 434 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:35,280 Right, absolutely. I love it. It's refreshing to hear any visionaries who feel friends or 435 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:40,240 family telling them to slow down when you feel that peace in your heart and your mind, 436 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,660 that you know that you're doing the right thing, that this is the thing that you're 437 00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:49,720 supposed to be dedicating your time and attention to. It's you who has that internal compass 438 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:57,000 and it's having a therapist, a mentor, somebody who's qualified to help you evaluate that 439 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,720 and you might have to go through a few therapists. 440 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,480 All of the above, right? It may not just be one thing. 441 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:11,160 Yeah, it may be a lot of things. LeBron James dedicates $1 million per year to his body 442 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:18,960 and his health. And it's interesting to see a man who's now 39 years old continue to dominate 443 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:26,320 his sport and seems to also have, seems to be healthier than I am. And I'm quite a bit 444 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,880 younger than him and I don't think he's working any less hard than I am. In fact, I would 445 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:36,040 say he's probably got an even greater work ethic than I still do. I'm trying though, 446 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:43,280 man. I'm trying to figure that out. But you can have your cake and eat it too. And so 447 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:51,440 anyway, let's move into a difficult subject. One of the darker subjects. What is, it's 448 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,960 not about yours. I want to point this out. What is your worst leadership experience ever? 449 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,960 I mean, what's the worst leadership experience you've ever seen? You've ever been a part 450 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:08,160 of, you've ever experienced, this could be related to teachers and principals or governing 451 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,000 bodies and how they're handling education. This could be something where you fell on 452 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,800 your face too. I'll let you take it from there, Kareem. 453 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:20,840 Yeah, I mean, I'm quick to like jump to self. And when you've been running a business or 454 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:26,880 an organization for as long as I have now, there will undoubtedly be moments where you 455 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,200 fall on your face. I think the most embarrassing part is when you don't know you've fallen 456 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,400 on your face. Because I think when we fall in, it's easy to get up and then brush it 457 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,320 off. We always say that to kids, right? Like get up and try again. But when you don't know 458 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:46,320 you've fallen, it only gets a little bit worse. Because you're trying to push yourself even 459 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:53,320 though you're hurt. And so I think for me, I have to go back to a time in 2017, 2018, 460 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:59,200 where I had, when we transitioned the organization from a nonprofit to a public benefit corporation, 461 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,560 which is a for-profit structure, I had the opportunity to not build another board. And 462 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,760 I jumped on it. And I jumped on it because I thought that the board was holding the organization 463 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:15,640 back. So this is what I talk about when you don't know. And in fact, I was the one who 464 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,400 didn't know how to manage a board. And really, I was the one holding the organization back. 465 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:27,080 And after that came a successive series of bad decisions and mistakes, just unchecked 466 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:34,640 thoughts that really almost led the organization into near bankruptcy. And I was always very 467 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,200 transparent. And anyone on my team will tell you, very transparent about our financial 468 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,240 position, very transparent about what we're doing. And I thought that when you share the 469 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,240 financial status of the organization and the health that people just got it, like they 470 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:56,120 understood your expenses exceed your revenue and they continue to exceed for a long while. 471 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,480 You're spending more cash than you're bringing in. You would think that intuitively when 472 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,840 you show people that, that they know, oh, that means that the company is going to run 473 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:08,040 out of money, or I might not have a job here a few months from now. And it's actually not 474 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:14,020 the case. Most people manage their work financials in the same way they manage their budgets 475 00:25:14,020 --> 00:25:17,960 at home, right? Like they don't want anything to do with them. They try and hide from them. 476 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,400 They don't think about what the implications are until they get to the moment where it's 477 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,600 like, okay, you know, it's hit the fan and now you have to do something about it. And 478 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,540 for me, I thought that by sharing and sharing and sharing that people would get the message, 479 00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:35,360 you know, we were making bad decisions, we had more cash outflow than inflow, and we 480 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:40,800 got to a point where we nearly bankrupted the company. And I remember in that like moment 481 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:46,400 that what should be really scary for an entrepreneur, I almost felt relieved. You know, I had a 482 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,640 friend asked me the other day, what did it feel like in the moment when everything had 483 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,400 just sort of unraveled and you got to that point? And I was like, I felt relieved. And 484 00:25:54,400 --> 00:26:00,200 in hindsight, you know, I say that it was very cowardice of me, because I couldn't make 485 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,560 the difficult decisions. I couldn't have the crucial conversations that I needed to have. 486 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,400 And I got to the point where it was like very obvious, you know, like, look, there's actually 487 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,520 no more money, you know, so there isn't really any way to do this. And, you know, as someone 488 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,840 who was committed and driven and kind of figure out whatever it is I needed to figure out, 489 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,720 I was willing to work for free. And I knew other people may not have that same luxury 490 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,320 or be able to do it in the same way. And so I definitely have to say that was my worst 491 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:34,000 leadership experience ever. And as you can imagine, there were probably people all around 492 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,840 me who were saying things that I just didn't listen to or didn't resonate with me or I 493 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:44,600 didn't understand. And I had a lot of reflecting in that moment, because the analogy I kind 494 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,520 of give people are the metaphors. You're in a rowboat, it's pitch black, you're in the 495 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,120 middle of the ocean, and there's no way to go. And there's no obvious direction. But 496 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:58,640 if you stop rowing, you're going to sink. And so you don't get to that position without 497 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:05,800 making a series of bad decisions. And luckily, you know, I was humble enough to be able to 498 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,200 then take it in in that moment, acknowledge the mistakes that I had made, and then start 499 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,040 to seek out help, get the resources and be able to turn everything around where there 500 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,040 was a light. And finally, I was rowing in the right direction. And we were able to rebuild 501 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,040 the entire company to where it is today. But have to say that, in hindsight, definitely 502 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,040 the worst leadership experience ever. 503 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:31,320 Okay, that makes me want to say chapter two, like, let's go right into this. Are you writing 504 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,840 a book on that by chance? It might be it might be parts of it in my third book that's in 505 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,760 the works right now, but not not definitively in there yet, because I feel like the story 506 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,760 still being written. 507 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,760 Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. It's it's so it makes you just, again, want to dive 508 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:52,400 in and be like, Well, so what happened? Like, how did you get the money? We will circle 509 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:58,480 back if we can. I've got a pointed question for my entrepreneurs that are listening, my 510 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:04,120 visionaries, because you've modeled something that I just I love. And I'm like, man, I want 511 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:10,400 to be you when I grow up. So I asked you, I tried so hard to push you away from talking 512 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,120 about yourself with this worst leadership experience, you know, and I'm like, I'm thinking, 513 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:20,040 as you responded, like, Nah, I gotta stick with self on this. You know, I'm also thinking 514 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:26,480 in my brain, like, if I had teed up a politician with this opportunity, they would have destroyed 515 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,040 their competition, you know, and, and, and, like, eating that up, like, what in a heartbeat, 516 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:36,640 you know, and I'm like, dang, that is why leadership in America. Right. So and then 517 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:43,720 I'm like, Well, did you do that? Because you've been trained by PR to stay focused on yourself? 518 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,680 Or is that just something that you know, as you've learned as a leader, that you you should 519 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:54,720 keep a focus on yourself? Like, what what caused you to realize the power and value 520 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,040 of staying? I mean, I the thought of like, self versus other wasn't even the consideration 521 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,680 was what was your worst leadership experience? And I just knew it. This is the worst leadership 522 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,200 experience I've ever experienced or seen. And I just so happened to have a front row 523 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,640 seat at this one. 524 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:22,520 I think someone else, I think a lot I think a lot of leaders put the blinders on them. 525 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,360 And they go through experiences like that, you know, or I have, I've had a tendency in 526 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,120 the past, maybe even in the present to point the finger. I'm like, well, it's really their 527 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,880 fault. You know, man, like they really made if it wasn't for them, this wouldn't have 528 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,160 been so bad. But, you know, then you learn through experiences of life, really, like, 529 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,920 no, no, no, no, I wasn't that front row. So I was driving. It was me. So thank you for 530 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,920 doing it. 531 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,280 Oh, yeah. And if I had if I if it wasn't me, I would be more than happy to have like put 532 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,280 it on someone else. 533 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,120 So true accountability. That's right. Like that's the real measure of like the self-awareness. 534 00:29:54,120 --> 00:30:00,280 It's not being overly judgmental on the negative or being overly accepting of the positive. 535 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,520 It's getting us close to what realism is. Right. We sometimes think the people who are 536 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,080 pushing away all the praise are really humble. But that that's also a form of arrogance. 537 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,160 Right. You should be accepting when people give you those compliments because they are 538 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,160 you. And it comes back to that strong self of or that strong sense of self-awareness 539 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,600 that we all need to cultivate and we're continuing to cultivate throughout our leadership journey. 540 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,920 Absolutely. Well said. We're going to dive into the best leadership experience. What's 541 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,600 the best leadership experience look like? 542 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:42,080 I have to take a second to think about this. Best leadership experience. Yeah. You know, 543 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,800 I guess I would maybe use that same moment and say, how do you get out of that situation? 544 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:54,520 Right. And I think that is the true testament of good leadership. Also, it's you get in 545 00:30:54,520 --> 00:31:01,200 there and then how do you get out? And I can tell you that the process is I don't know 546 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,060 if it's codified or anything like that out there. But for me, I would go back and say, 547 00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:11,800 it starts with accepting responsibility. And this can go broadly for any leader who's out 548 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,400 there in any challenging situation. It's accepting responsibility, knowing what you 549 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:21,400 did that's in it. Then it's figuring out what help you need to get out of it. And so I talk 550 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,640 about this in my TED talk, but asking for help going out there and getting it. So you 551 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,920 need to get over everything else, all the feelings and sentiments that it's all about 552 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,880 you and whatnot. And so I would say that was the second piece is getting the help. And 553 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,640 then after you get the help, it's stopping then to reflect so you don't repeat the same 554 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:46,160 mistake. Right. And so I think those three elements are evident, I'm sure in any great 555 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,720 leadership example, it's you take the accountability, you get the help that you need to get out 556 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,200 of the situation because you need to keep moving. And then you go back and you reflect 557 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,320 so you don't repeat the same mistake. So that is what I did on the flip side of it right 558 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,880 after it. And I think that was how we ultimately were able to turn and navigate the ship. Now 559 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,960 the details obviously are for a whole other chapter. 560 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:15,880 Yeah, absolutely. So you know what it reminds me of is a Bible story of Paul on the road 561 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:23,160 to Damascus. Right. You've got somebody who's leading a mission, a purpose, a vision of 562 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:31,080 executing, killing Christians who has this massive transformation and shift. And then 563 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,720 ultimately, in this case, he abandons his post, abandon his brand, his organization 564 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,920 and goes in the complete opposite direction and leads with tenacity, persistence, diligence, 565 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:47,400 like continues. But he's obviously made a self-awareness shift and change in what he's 566 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,940 doing. And so, you know, your story, those of you who are listening in, like it might 567 00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:59,120 not be as dramatic as Paul's, you know, it might not be as pronounced as Kareem's with 568 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,640 his organization, but you have that opportunity to pivot to. And I think that's the biggest 569 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,720 thing that I want you to take away is get back up. Like the posters say, you know, if 570 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,160 you've failed seven times, I mean, if you've fallen down seven times, get up eight. Right. 571 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,920 That's our opportunity as leaders to continue. So speaking of universal lessons or powerful 572 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:27,400 lessons, Kareem, if this was your last opportunity ever to share a powerful lesson with other 573 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,520 visionaries, what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn from your experience? 574 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,720 I wish I could say it was my lesson, but I think Gandhi like was what I went to for this 575 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,000 source of truth at the time. And it was be the change you wish to see in the world. And 576 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,480 it wasn't just about doing good. 577 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,480 I thought that was Michael Jackson. 578 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:54,600 It really was like in that moment, right? The recognition that our behaviors are what 579 00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:00,820 other people follow, not what we say. And we can't change other people. Right. We only 580 00:34:00,820 --> 00:34:08,200 have control over ourselves, but we recognize that people respond and react to how we act. 581 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,800 And so if you want to get a different reaction in this situation, you need to change your 582 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:17,240 action. And so for me, it was accepting the responsibility, going out and changing my 583 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:22,240 behavior now, right? Being more open, more considerate of what people were saying to 584 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:27,640 be able to course correct. So I wish I could say like I had the powerful lesson, but it 585 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:33,080 was really leaning into that. What Gandhi said. And for me, it was clarifying what is 586 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:38,080 my purpose? Why am I doing this? And using that then as fuel to change myself, because 587 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,800 I needed to be a different person. I needed to show up differently in this next stage, 588 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,080 if this is going to be successful and continue to move forward in the way that I needed it 589 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,080 to. 590 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:56,680 I love that. You know, again, maybe someday people have forgotten that Gandhi said it 591 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,560 and then Michael Jackson said it and they just correlate it with you. I mean, I think 592 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,360 that's the value of universal truth, though. I think that was what would make Gandhi happy 593 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:10,320 is just the torch being carried on by somebody else. Right. So reinventing the wheel, you 594 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,440 know, is one way to go about creating positive change, but also doing what's been valued 595 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,680 and has stood the test of time. So thank you for that. 596 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,640 I mean, Michael Jackson has the Heal the World song that's up there on one of my favorite 597 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,200 lists, you know, for responsibility to make it a better place. I'm not wouldn't put that 598 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,800 too far off of something he would also be inspired by or committed to during his life. 599 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,600 Man in the mirror, too. You know, it's if you want to make the world a better place 600 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,960 and look in the look in the mirror and and change yourself. Right. So I didn't get the 601 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,680 words right. But y'all know what I'm talking about. Somebody correct me in the comments, 602 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:49,000 please. I appreciate that. All right. So let me let me put this out there. I don't want 603 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,960 to lose that opportunity to quote that because it is a powerful quote. And again, my best 604 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,080 lessons to they come from the people who I've learned from and have helped me see past and 605 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,440 beyond myself. So we're going to take we're going to take the rest of the time to dive 606 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:10,240 in about impact in a million young lives. I mean, how are you going about that? I would 607 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:16,120 like you to steer me on this, too. So if there's any questions that we should be asking you 608 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:22,520 about these projects, how we can get involved, why it matters, what what action steps we 609 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,680 can take, et cetera. The time is yours, Kareem. I love all of those. So we can definitely 610 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:33,320 jump into any of them. But I would say like our tagline is that empowering urban schools, 611 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:39,680 right? And we want to empower urban education. And so I would say if you're in a city center, 612 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,560 we've started there. That's our area of expertise right now. So we're not trying to be exclusive 613 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,400 in any way. But we're looking at urban schools that we want to continue to support when we 614 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,480 talk about our who. Right. So I want to give you just a very visual understanding of who 615 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,640 they are. We're talking about overwhelmed. We say Title One School Administrator, which 616 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,840 really means that they're running a low income school could be a Catholic school, a private 617 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,960 school, a district school, a charter school, any school administrator who's overwhelmed 618 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,540 and they're running a low income school. But they deeply care about results for their scholars 619 00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:18,880 and their families. We want to connect with them. So if you know that person or you have 620 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,560 them in your network, send them our way. We're more than happy to work with them and figure 621 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,040 out how we can support them and support their scholars and getting the results that they 622 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,800 ultimately need. So I would say that's how you can get involved in supporting us. For 623 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,800 a lot of y'all, it might be indirectly more so than it is directly. If you're in college 624 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,960 or a recent college grad and you are interested in becoming an educator, you can apply to 625 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,040 work with us. We have a lot of in-person jobs, but also remote jobs. So online tutoring where 626 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,400 you can push into the classrooms, work with scholars that way to actually be a part of 627 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,840 what we're doing day in and day out. So I would say those are the biggest two ways that 628 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,480 folks can contribute and support us. 629 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:06,480 Wow. Okay. Do you have pages regarding these two particular paths by chance? I know I'm 630 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,480 putting you on the spot. 631 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:13,840 To join the team is how you can come in and work with us. And then the services and solutions 632 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,240 are really how folks can contact us to work with us. So you'll see ton of open positions 633 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:24,680 there. We launched programming in Denver, we're in Richmond Community Schools at Michigan, 634 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,640 and we're the largest tutoring organization in New York City. So continuing to expand 635 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,280 our footprint. 636 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:39,560 That's amazing. So man, I'm going to say something so sacrilegious. I worked really, really hard 637 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:45,680 though in my university to get a 0.33 GPA. Is there a place for me, Kareem? 638 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,680 A 0.33 GPA. 639 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:56,560 Totally. 0.33. I've crushed dating at 4.0 and dating, but I'm such a worthless student. 640 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:03,600 I just didn't understand the system. I really didn't. I ended up studying for the first 641 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,960 time. I did really well in my junior college. And then I went to a private university right 642 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,840 after that. And when I took my first test, I had studied for the first time in my life 643 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:21,480 and I got a 30 on the test. And I was waiting for the scores to refresh on the screen knowing 644 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,720 that maybe it's still calculating. No, that was what I got. And I literally just stopped 645 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:31,480 going to classes after that. I was like, okay, I'm not going out for this. And I didn't understand 646 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,240 the value of a university and the network effect and all that. My point is I love education. 647 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:41,960 The years later, I took StrengthsFinder 2.0, found out my number one skillset was learner. 648 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:48,240 And I was like, this thing's got to be broken. And we read, my wife and I, at the time we 649 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:53,320 took that. Hers was all about curriculum and studying and like all the traditional stuff. 650 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,400 Mine was you were the kid who was always asking why. And sure enough, my report card always 651 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:05,200 had an E on it. E wasn't for excellent. It was for excessive talking. Go figure. Now 652 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,600 I rock the mic. So yeah, is there- 653 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,720 You're already working with us. So in this case here, you're helping us amplify our message 654 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:18,720 and getting our story out there. So yes, there's a place for you. I mean, we're already experiencing 655 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:23,080 it right now, but would encourage folks to think about what they're already doing and 656 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:28,200 good at and then how we can use that in a way to either amplify our message, further 657 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,440 our reach. You might be doing research that you think is relevant to the work that we're 658 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,840 doing and we want to run some more evidence-based trials or efficacy studies that we think might 659 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,960 be helpful. There's absolutely a part there. You heard me talk about my third book right 660 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,560 now. So if you're a writer, you want to get in on that or you want to support some way 661 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,640 directly, indirectly, like there's opportunities there. So if you don't know and you have a 662 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,400 really strong skillset, reach out to me. I'm super accessible on all the social media handles 663 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,760 and more than happy to strike a conversation about how we can get you involved. 664 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,940 I love that. And I'm going to express some deep appreciations for some of the humility 665 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:12,880 that Kareem directed me and all of us towards, right? Go get the book. Go write a review. 666 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:20,680 Go like the TED Talk on YouTube. These elements, we want to do something grandiose oftentimes. 667 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:28,800 In reality, how we move mountains is one shovel at a time, one handful of dirt at a time. 668 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,040 It's amazing what we can accomplish. Go look at the Shawshank Redemption. I hope you dug 669 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:41,460 out of that prison, for instance, in the movie. But at summer school, the kids actually want 670 00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:47,760 to attend is the TED Talk. Go watch the TED Talk and then share it. Those little acts 671 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:57,600 of virtue add up in major ways. I'm in a rural state, so to speak. Texas has a lot of rural 672 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,600 nature to it, right? And I am outside of the city, but I'm definitely in the metropolitan 673 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:08,000 areas. The reason why I'm bringing it up, my sister is a principal in Midland, Texas. 674 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,520 So that's not urban. I don't think it's considered urban. It's about as rural as it gets. Is 675 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,120 there something that would that be a benefit to talk to her? 676 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,680 We have on-demand virtual tutoring services that we can still support her students with. 677 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,920 So we use urban because that's where we know our expertise is out. But actually, all of 678 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,480 our services are designed to serve students. We have curriculum, so our curriculum is also 679 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,920 used in a ton of schools. And then we have a great book and behavior management software. 680 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,440 And again, those aren't exclusive of any territory or area. Those are places we can deliver. 681 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:49,200 Where some of our bigger things are like our in-person services. We're pushing into a classroom. 682 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:54,160 We're trying to earn an after-school program. It's just a lot harder to attract and retain 683 00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:00,560 talent. So that closes off a large part of the programming that we run. But we can absolutely 684 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,440 still find a way to partner, work together, and serve the scholars. 685 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,440 That's great. Then I'll certainly make her... 686 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,440 Just on her radar. 687 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,080 Yes. And see what's going on. It'll be fun to get her opinion. Midland is not known at 688 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:22,660 all for its education. I'm sorry, Midland. You're just not. And on the same token, she 689 00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:28,680 is driving waves. She's got this tenacious passion and energy. I got five older sisters. 690 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:35,560 I am not the alpha in my house at all. Not even close. They 100% are. So you think I'm 691 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:42,640 tenacious and like alpha. No, my sisters. They got me beat. So with that said, all right, 692 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,600 Kareem. We're going to take great care. Everybody's listening to put some action steps on the 693 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,240 landing page so that again, it's clear for you where to go, what to do. And again, I 694 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:57,160 hope that you're willing to take the simple steps of action that support this mission 695 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,400 and vision. And then if you feel called to do greater things, then my reference at this 696 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,420 point would be Eli Wild. If you don't know who that is, you're listening. Eli Wild has 697 00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:15,060 a great cell system. He wanted to work for Tony Robbins badly. And so he, within two 698 00:44:15,060 --> 00:44:21,240 weeks time, he contacted Tony Robbins organization over 200 different times in 200 different 699 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:26,000 ways. Not being annoying, finding a new way to create a new ally and a new friend. He 700 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,120 bought the book. He went to the conference. He did all sorts of things to get in there. 701 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,240 Then he became the top sales rep, the name of the ward after him. His story's pretty 702 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:39,720 cool. My challenge to you is if you really believe in this too, you see this as an opportunity, 703 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:45,320 then dive in to practice BC. See what Kareem has been up to. Find a stage to pull him on 704 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:52,840 and put him on. There are so many children out there who do not have a parent who's looking 705 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,880 out for their good. They may be in the foster system. They may be in a home where the parent 706 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:04,160 is so overwhelmed economically and with their own disastrous worst leadership experiences 707 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:10,240 ever that they've given up and lost hope on moving things forward. There's a lot of reasons 708 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:17,280 why children need more help. I hope that I can do everything that I can to support you 709 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,320 on what you're up to, Kareem. The little steps, the big steps. I'll talk to my team about 710 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,280 it too, see what we can do. Are we allowed to? Would it be okay if we put you guys in 711 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:33,040 the sponsor's section as well? Absolutely. Yeah, we would more than love that. I appreciate 712 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:39,200 you offering that. Yes, absolutely. Vision Pros, if you've got a vision to share, even 713 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,720 if it's not as world impactful as Kareem's, if it's virtuous, if it's good, if it's helping 714 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:48,120 the local community, whatever it is, we've got a button too for you in the top right 715 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,280 corner. It says, be our guest. We'd love to have you on this show. We'd love to talk to 716 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,120 you about what your vision is. It is truly about serving and helping others and giving 717 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,160 other visionaries the opportunity to just see what types of principles, what types of 718 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,640 resources are helping us with our continued efforts to create growth and maybe our light 719 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,400 doesn't shine as bright as everybody else's, but that doesn't mean it's not valuable. 720 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,000 It doesn't mean it doesn't add up to help out. If you've got a vision, don't hesitate 721 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,160 to bring it on our show. If you want to connect with Kareem, drop a comment. Let us know 722 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:28,360 what questions you have, what observations you have. If you have a program that you feel 723 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,980 is better at doing what we're both up to, send it our way. Those are opportunities for 724 00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:40,640 us to compare math notes on a chalkboard and be like, hey, cool, good formula. Thank you. 725 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,740 And work together and say, what if we combined our efforts together? There's so many ways 726 00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:50,300 to bring about good that I just, I can't help but encourage you as visionaries, connect 727 00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:54,520 with other visionaries, know that you belong in these conversations. Kareem, go ahead, 728 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,520 you end this. 729 00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,880 No, I would also just say like, if there isn't something directly that you can do immediately, 730 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,080 I would say, further your learning. So I publish a free weekly newsletter right now. It's subscribed 731 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:12,480 to by hundreds of CEOs, presidents and founders. And it really is on the art of asking better 732 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,400 questions. So you get a question a week to reflect on. There's resources there. If they 733 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,720 jive with you, great. If they don't, just taking the time to reflect helps accelerate 734 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:26,120 your learning. And then I also have a free personal success questionnaire on my website 735 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:31,800 that really does talk about the elements that I think help accelerate achievement for us 736 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:37,240 as individuals. So go check out those resources. They're there for you all. And if nothing 737 00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:41,760 else, you'll get something out of it. Maybe you'll keep us in mind further down the line. 738 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,360 And then when that thing does strike or that idea comes to fruition, there'll be an opportunity 739 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,840 to connect and make more magic happen. 740 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:57,720 I love that. I 100% support that learning to ask better questions is one of the greatest 741 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:02,560 lessons I've ever if there's anything good and virtuous, I've learned in education, it 742 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:09,800 came because I was taught how to ask great questions, you know, and, and so I can't imagine 743 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:17,000 where my life be had I not learned how to ask for help and ask how things work from 744 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,280 those who are around me. So thank you for putting that resource together. We'll drop 745 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,280 that as well in the landing page and visionaries have an excellent rest of your week and we 746 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,280 will see you on the next episode. 747 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,960 Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that you tuned into vision pros live. 748 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,840 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward. 749 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,840 This is going to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well. We'll 750 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,040 invite people to participate in the show and thank you for giving us your time and attention. 751 00:48:44,040 --> 00:49:07,040 Have an excellent time building out your vision.