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Well, I think why I care, I'm the firstborn, which is a significant thing.

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And so being the firstborn, it's always taking care of others, younger, taking care, helping

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people learn that they don't have to be doing it the way they're doing it.

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So you still made a choice, even though you were the oldest.

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Why?

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For me, growing up in a church, a church family, and I learned about Jesus, but I didn't see

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it operating in the church, in that particular church.

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And so at 13, 14, I said, I hear a lot of words about Jesus, but I don't see Jesus

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operating here.

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A lot of backbiting, a lot of scapegoating, a lot of judgment.

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And so I began looking around for a place, and it took about, let's see, about 10 years

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before I found the place.

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But what the place did was allowed me to be there without judgment.

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But what I discovered along the way was that that voice of Jesus is what I was following.

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And that's why it is.

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I mean, I'd probably never say this in public, but for me, my ministry is helping business

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leaders get what they want from their business.

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And that means getting everybody in that whole business, top to bottom, doing what they love

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doing with people they love, knowing that what they're doing is helping the organization

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make the world a better place.

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They're all getting compensated appropriately, and they have plenty of time for their other

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passions and their family.

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That to me, that's why I do it, because it's my way of helping to make the world a better

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place.