1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,680 Do you, did you have a wonderful time? 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,320 Well, her and Diana, her, they've been better. 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,560 Um, you know, the director of open the eyes and, and Laura are getting 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:08,800 together and talking and stuff. 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,040 So that's, you know, the green goat isn't even getting away with that. 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:12,840 That's fair. 7 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:13,400 That's legit. 8 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:13,920 Yeah. 9 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:14,540 Yeah. 10 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:20,280 So Diana's excited and talking to her and, and, uh, yeah, it's just been a, 11 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,960 it's been an awesome few weeks and a lot of the awesomeness of the last few weeks 12 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:26,080 is thanks to you. 13 00:00:26,340 --> 00:00:26,920 Oh, there we go. 14 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,480 I'm like, what the heck? 15 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,040 My finger is wake up, wake up finger. 16 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,320 Uh, anyway, sorry. 17 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,400 Um, so, uh, Kare Jean Wilson, um, we're going to be talking about 18 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,120 neurodivergent entrepreneurs, uh, leadership development. 19 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:43,600 Um, how do you define a neurodivergent entrepreneur? 20 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,160 So I define them as neuro spicy only because divergence shows that they are 21 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:54,440 different or somehow divergent from normal. 22 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,960 And, uh, the only constant that I know of in life is that there is no constant. 23 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:03,800 So this idea of normal doesn't really work for me. 24 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:10,680 Uh, but I, I was confused because I don't, I am neuro spicy and I don't know 25 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,320 that I ever, I don't feel like I know neuro typical, like I don't know that I 26 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:17,120 know anybody who falls in that category. 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,920 So started asking therapists about it. 28 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,600 And I was like, please explain this to me because I need to, I need to understand, 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:22,760 right? 30 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,280 They're like, well, imagine humanity is a beautiful rainbow, right? 31 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,600 So neuro typical is like the three people standing at the very top of the 32 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,520 rainbow and from there it gets spicier. 33 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:39,080 And I thought, Oh, well, that feels very validating. 34 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,000 Thank you very much. 35 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,120 So why do we build so much of our culture and our communities around 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,840 this neuro typical concept? 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,560 And the idea is because the neuro typical brain continues to be 38 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,360 different, continues along processes. 39 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,360 It's really good at just getting up and doing the same thing every day. 40 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:03,400 Those of us who are spicy who consistencies an entire learning curve. 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,200 You know? 42 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:05,480 Yeah. 43 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,640 Um, so we have to build our society around people who can consistently do 44 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:09,880 things. 45 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,600 So the rest of us can run around like crazy people innovating. 46 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,480 I love that. 47 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Um, you know, when there's the atypical and then there's those who are trying 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,120 so hard to conform, you know, to that. 49 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:28,880 I was that guy for years that was so scared of my natural self, that I buried it. 50 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,240 I didn't really know how to access it. 51 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,480 I didn't want to accept it. 52 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,680 I wanted to just fit in. 53 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,440 And I wasn't getting very great results in life. 54 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,800 I wasn't feeling very good. 55 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,840 And I couldn't really understand why. 56 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,600 I thought it was because I wasn't enough, I wasn't conformed enough. 57 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,000 So I love what you're doing. 58 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,920 So leadership development for neuro-version entrepreneurs. 59 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:55,960 We're going to dive into that even further after we dive into your vision. 60 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,920 Real quick, what are three books or resources that you'd recommend for visionaries? 61 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:04,720 I absolutely encourage you to read The Oz Principle. 62 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,720 It's fantastic. 63 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,320 It's all about accountability. 64 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:12,080 And it puts it in the Wizard of Oz context, so way more fun than regular books. 65 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:17,440 Oddly enough, I would encourage you to read Alice in Wonderland, which technically is 66 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,640 not a leadership book. 67 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:21,840 But tell me- Off with your head. 68 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:22,840 She's good. 69 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:23,840 Never mind. 70 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:24,840 Let's go. 71 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,680 Tell me that doesn't sound like Bosses, you know, where everybody plays so well behaved 72 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:28,680 around them. 73 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,640 And then as soon as they're gone, they're like this person. 74 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:35,520 Yeah, there's so many points in that book. 75 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:36,880 And a third one. 76 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,000 Okay, so a pattern language. 77 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,720 Again, also not a leadership book specifically. 78 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:48,840 It is actually a book about building and construction, but it is the pattern of human development 79 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,440 over the last 3000 years, the compositive study. 80 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,720 And it will really just help you understand human being better. 81 00:03:58,720 --> 00:03:59,720 Wow. 82 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:00,720 Good. 83 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:07,080 Well, I think everybody listening just now just got three brand new books on their list 84 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,280 that haven't been recommended by their entrepreneur leader. 85 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,280 So I love it. 86 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:12,280 Very cool. 87 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,800 And I'm going to add one more that you probably haven't had on your list, which is, oh, the 88 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,160 places you'll go while Dr. Seuss. 89 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,400 Another leadership book. 90 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,080 So with that said, we're going to dive into the break and we will be right back and dive 91 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,600 right into Karrie Jean Wilson's vision. 92 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:26,600 All right. 93 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,760 Welcome in to Vision Pros Live with Jackson Calame. 94 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:30,760 I'm your show host. 95 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,440 We will be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building 96 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:46,640 fantastic visions out there. 97 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,760 Hey what's up and welcome into another episode of Vision Pros Live. 98 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,920 I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO of First Class Business. 99 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,440 And I'm so excited to have Cara Jean Wilson on stage today. 100 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,440 It's going to be fun. 101 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,080 I'm going to reserve a little bit of her bio for when I bring her on stage because she's 102 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,920 actually become a dear friend over the last month. 103 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,080 And don't get me wrong. 104 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,960 I like the people who come on our show. 105 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:14,320 In fact, I tend to strive as hard as I can to love everybody in life. 106 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:20,600 That can make it hard for people to appreciate my referral sometimes because I see greatness 107 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:21,680 in everybody. 108 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,800 But like Cara Jean Wilson takes it to another, another, another level. 109 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:32,840 Her ability to listen, her ability to intentionally care for what you're up to, her ability to 110 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:34,920 connect you to the right people. 111 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:41,760 Like visionaries, if there's one like real resource that you want over all other things, 112 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,200 it's people. 113 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,440 People get things done. 114 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,220 People help you build people that like the right, the good people. 115 00:05:48,220 --> 00:05:49,840 She's the good people. 116 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,320 So she's the type of person that you absolutely want to get to know. 117 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,900 She's always going to come to bat for you. 118 00:05:54,900 --> 00:05:58,980 So I've already seen that many, many times over the course of a month. 119 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:03,360 And with how, you know, how productive we both are, how many things we have going on. 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,280 It's just, it's such a blessing to have her in my life already. 121 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:09,760 So anyway, I got, I got to move into these sponsors though, and to bring her on stage 122 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,880 for time at the vision. 123 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:17,520 So sponsors, these are also two people who are extremely great givers and great leaders. 124 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,880 The Law Spot with Melissa Gray. 125 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,780 I was so worried about bringing a lawyer on the show because I don't, I don't like how 126 00:06:24,780 --> 00:06:26,800 contentious lawyers can be. 127 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,200 Here comes Melissa with Law Doesn't Have to be Complicated. 128 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,200 Okay. 129 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,360 She's nice enough. 130 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,360 She's not just nice enough. 131 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:33,560 She's like the nicest. 132 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,160 And she's also very good at the lawyer thing, you know, like being direct and making sure 133 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,800 that you understand what it is that you need. 134 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,960 And she's going to go to bat for you. 135 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,040 I'm going to stop there and just say, if you're, if you don't have legal counsel, it's time 136 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:52,400 to interview somebody, make sure that you have your wise stewardship in place. 137 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,160 You got somebody to protect you. 138 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,800 Don't go through the $20,000 trademark battle that I went through when I was at Restaurant 139 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,280 Connect. 140 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:03,440 Don't just let Apple patent your software and not do anything about it. 141 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,320 Again, been there. 142 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,080 You know, you get a hot, you get a demand letter for somebody who owes you $18,000. 143 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,440 Don't just walk away from it. 144 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:12,440 Nevermind. 145 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,040 You know, like, like get somebody to help. 146 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,600 Directional advisors. 147 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,600 Franklin Parker of Directional Advisors has been so awesome to work with. 148 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,600 It's kind of funny. 149 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,680 So most of these are clients, by the way. 150 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,920 And I used to tell myself, I'm not going to work with lawyers and I'm not going to work 151 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,820 with financial advisors. 152 00:07:29,820 --> 00:07:35,960 Those are my two, like, no, like those people, they tend to just, yeah. 153 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:42,400 Franklin Parker and Melissa Gray have been absolutely phenomenal leaders with our team. 154 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:47,460 And what that does is that shows me that they do have the capacity to scale because of how 155 00:07:47,460 --> 00:07:50,760 well they care for the people who are in their circles. 156 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,240 You know, if you want to find somebody who's going to scale, you got to find somebody who's 157 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,360 an amazing leader. 158 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,360 Franklin's just that. 159 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,000 He's also wrote books on the topics of financial advisors. 160 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,600 He's also won awards for it. 161 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,920 I'm not going to spoil those. 162 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,400 You can find those on his website as we continue to build out his brand. 163 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:16,440 But he's also been selected to be one of two potential candidates for the, excuse me, for 164 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,800 the CFA Institute, which is kind of like the hall of fame for financial advisors. 165 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,400 I'm pretty certain he's going to get it. 166 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,760 They have 685,000 followers on LinkedIn. 167 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,880 And if that doesn't tell you a lot about how good he is at what he does, just know that 168 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,760 he was also managing finances for Abiliter. 169 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,300 So we'll diverge to the Water Project at this point. 170 00:08:39,300 --> 00:08:40,720 The Water Project. 171 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,280 I won't rock this mic without talking about a cause that I care about in this world because 172 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,240 that's really what this is all about. 173 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,240 There's 8 billion people to help in this world. 174 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,920 I love how the Water Project is dedicating their time and their resources to show us 175 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,240 who doesn't even have access to clean drinking water so that we can contribute to that. 176 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,680 And you get to see the outcome of these projects when you do contribute. 177 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:03,640 So you get to see if they build a sand dam or borehole well. 178 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,600 It works a lot like Kickstarter. 179 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,360 So if you're not in a position to give financially to one of these resources, then my request 180 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,880 is to just share this with somebody. 181 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,760 Somebody who might be able to. 182 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,840 When we have so many wonderful things in life, I'm just not a big fan of burying our head 183 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:23,840 in the sand. 184 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:24,840 You know, you don't know. 185 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,600 When you share this with somebody, they might give $10,000 to something like this. 186 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,240 And no, you can't take direct credit for giving the $10,000, but you should take direct credit 187 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,240 for taking time to share it. 188 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,080 It should be a good feeling for you and I appreciate you. 189 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,540 If you have any cause that you'd like us to support, just drop that cause in the comments. 190 00:09:43,540 --> 00:09:46,660 Give us the opportunity to support what you found in the world. 191 00:09:46,660 --> 00:09:52,040 Something that draws your attention and excites you to be more than just whatever your role 192 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,600 is in society. 193 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,880 So without further ado, I'm gonna bring Kara Jean Wilson on stage. 194 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,360 Kara, welcome in. 195 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,200 Thank you so much for being here today. 196 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,320 I am so excited. 197 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,320 I love everything you were just saying. 198 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,960 I specifically caught on Never Say Never. 199 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Oh, yes. 200 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,440 I'm never gonna work with lawyers. 201 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,480 I'm never gonna work with Never Say Never. 202 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,360 That is one lesson I am learning over and over and over. 203 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,360 Correct. 204 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:18,360 Correct. 205 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,880 I also, I'm not a big fan of language that boxes me in. 206 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,800 I found myself and I was like, well, one, I don't work with lawyers because man, they 207 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,880 could roast me in a herpy, you know, like if they don't like what I'm doing, you know. 208 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,400 And so anyway, back to you. 209 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:39,880 You're the only brand I know of that is your brand is all about you, yet not. 210 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,520 That is so cool, right? 211 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,800 Taking care of business and you just, but you, I've met so many people. 212 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:47,800 Okay. 213 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,360 Tony Robbins does a good job of being there for people. 214 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,840 But most, most individuals who have created a brand around their own name and their own 215 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,780 identity also tend to talk all about themselves and do things all about themselves. 216 00:10:59,780 --> 00:11:05,280 And you've done this awesome job of honoring who you are while learning how to just show 217 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,840 up for people holistically. 218 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,480 Like you are here for people. 219 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,920 How do you do that? 220 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,520 Because I've been there, I guess is the easiest. 221 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,800 So much failure, so much failure. 222 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,840 What is my unique and magical skills? 223 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,740 I'm neuro spicy and I've gone through, I'm a failure expert. 224 00:11:23,740 --> 00:11:26,000 I'm just really good at it. 225 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,000 That's awesome. 226 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,720 I appreciate everybody else's failures. 227 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:31,720 Yes. 228 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:32,720 I love that. 229 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:39,560 You know, it's so hard to work and, and accept the greatness of success when you're trying 230 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:43,720 to maneuver through avoiding your failures and not talking about those, you know, it's 231 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,880 like a room of lasers and you're getting your team to go through them and you won't really 232 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:48,880 talk about it. 233 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,640 Like, yeah, no, that's, that's so cool. 234 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,440 You just hit it and address it head on. 235 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,720 So what's your vision for those that you serve? 236 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:03,280 My ultimate vision is to unwrite hustle culture or rewrite what I call the Kara culture, right? 237 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,280 Following the Kara method. 238 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:11,880 Think about how popular lean and scrum and assessments like disk and bank have been. 239 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,760 And the thing that sets them so magically apart from everyone else is that like lean 240 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,840 is positive productivity. 241 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,160 How can you eliminate things from people's workload rather than giving them more? 242 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,720 Scrum is all about positive product management, project management, right? 243 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,080 Instead of focusing on what they're not doing, let's work on what they are doing. 244 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,880 Disk and bank are all positive personality assessments. 245 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,720 Hey, did you know this about yourself? 246 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,280 Did you know you could change other things? 247 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,000 Positivity. 248 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,320 We know, we know that hustle culture kills. 249 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,520 We have the wellness statistics to show it. 250 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,640 We have the suicide rates to show it. 251 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,960 We have the men's health notes to show it. 252 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,120 We have the women's health notes to show it. 253 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,320 The BIPOC community, the minorities, hustle culture where you just work to work so you 254 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,520 look like you're working. 255 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,800 I'm over it. 256 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,800 Yeah. 257 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,440 It doesn't work. 258 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:14,840 The non-nurturing quote that I'm a big fan of for that is busy as broke. 259 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,080 You know, and on the flip side of that, so I'm reading Tribal Leadership right now. 260 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,240 Phenomenal, phenomenal book. 261 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:27,560 And in it, they're right now where I'm at now, they're talking about how they designed 262 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:32,880 the school systems based on the factory systems because the kids were in the factories and 263 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:33,880 working. 264 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:34,880 Right? 265 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,280 And so they designed a system where ding the bell rings, you do this. 266 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,480 Ding the bell rings, you do this. 267 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:46,360 And then it created this society of people who are people pleasing, that they want to 268 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,520 be the ones who are considered the good ones, that don't mess up, that conform. 269 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,760 And I'm like, oh man, this book is starting to hurt more and more as you read it. 270 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:02,400 But it's important to address because if something like that hurts, you're starting to feel like, 271 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,480 hey, you're talking about me and nothing feels good. 272 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,000 And maybe there's something below the surface and he's dressed. 273 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Yeah. 274 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,680 And that's first class businesses. 275 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:16,240 The world class, the first class businesses put people first. 276 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:23,360 Not just in words, but they actively look for ways to imply it. 277 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,160 And that's what I'm looking for, for my clients, whether it's an individual as a leader, so 278 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,640 they can have that alignment in their life. 279 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,160 I don't talk about work-life balance because that's not a real thing, but alignment is 280 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,160 real. 281 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,160 And so we can do alignment for individuals. 282 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,320 We can also work on alignment for entire companies. 283 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:45,120 It's amazing if you stop and listen, how much your team will innovate your business for 284 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,120 you. 285 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,120 I love that. 286 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,840 So we're going to take a little healthy debate on that. 287 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,200 The work-life balance aspects. 288 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,880 I think sometimes people assume balance means equal. 289 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,760 And just like first class business, some people, oh, he wants to be better than everybody else. 290 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,760 No, I used to want to. 291 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:07,360 I used to have that super strong gross addiction where I was stuck, but not strong to my best 292 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,360 self. 293 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,400 I want to provide the best type of service to others. 294 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,640 That's what first class business is all about. 295 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,200 So I'm glad you caught that. 296 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:19,200 The work-life balance, I love the analogy of plate spinners because with the plate spinners, 297 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,560 you might have 20 plates going, you have one persistent plate that needs more attention 298 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,920 than the others. 299 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,040 Like a kid who's going through a drug addiction or maybe your marriage is starting to fall 300 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,560 apart and you just spend more time on that. 301 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,720 And so I would call that process of prioritizing what's most important. 302 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,080 I'd still call work-life balance in my humble opinion, but feel free to divert from that. 303 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,760 What do you see on that? 304 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,120 I love bringing that awareness in. 305 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,000 So a hundred percent balance is not equal. 306 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,200 Balance is leveling things so that you don't fall over. 307 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,760 That's the definition, right? 308 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:57,080 But when we talk about work-life balance, we are talking about making sure you have 309 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,080 enough of each. 310 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:03,240 And if your work is going to take up eight hours of your day, then ideally you have eight 311 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,200 hours for your life and eight hours to sleep, right? 312 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,240 Conceptually, that is a balance. 313 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:09,240 So you don't fall over. 314 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,240 You still rest. 315 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,240 You still have fun. 316 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,240 You still have play. 317 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,240 You still have work. 318 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,800 Work-life expands to 10 hours a day, 16. 319 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,320 I've had coaches that say, give me, I'll let you have four hours with your family and 320 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,720 you can give me the rest of your time so we can make you successful. 321 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:24,720 That's not balanced. 322 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:25,720 Right. 323 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:26,720 Not balanced. 324 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:32,080 So I talk about alignment because the converse trying to balance grains of sand against an 325 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,260 entire beach, well, it's never going to work, but you can align those. 326 00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:39,040 You can align your work within your life. 327 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:44,140 And then when it changes, when it innovates, when it adapts, you don't have to rebalance. 328 00:16:44,140 --> 00:16:46,080 You just follow the alignment. 329 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Right. 330 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,080 I love that. 331 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,600 And sometimes in life we have an opportunity to run a marathon, right? 332 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,200 But if you're running marathons daily, right? 333 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,700 Like you got to listen to your body, you know, your heart, your mind. 334 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:03,480 And you got to know you well enough to know what's appropriate for your stage of life 335 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,480 in my opinion. 336 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,640 Now you talk about the unhustle. 337 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:07,640 I love that. 338 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,360 I like that exact quote. 339 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:11,360 Let's see who you said. 340 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:14,880 Unwriting the hustle culture. 341 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,040 You know, it's so hard with Instagram, right? 342 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,680 And with Facebook and the highlight reels and it looks like go, go, go, or it looks 343 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,440 like everybody's always winning. 344 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:30,200 You know, I think that's one of the greatest contributors to that feeling like, oh my gosh, 345 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,960 like I got to do what everybody else is doing. 346 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,760 You know, maybe I'm wrong on that being one of the greater contributors. 347 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:44,040 What else is contributing to our need to feel like we have to run faster than we're able? 348 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:50,640 I think that there are so many contributing factors, epigenetics, you know, you know, 349 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,640 but how you can get this. 350 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:53,640 Sorry. 351 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:54,640 Yeah. 352 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:55,640 You're good. 353 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:56,640 That's like Tourette's with me. 354 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,640 I just, since I started learning about epigenetics, now it comes up everywhere. 355 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,000 But it really, epigenetics is, it's, you know, we know our nature, how we came, right? 356 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,680 There are natural traits, but what you nurture changes things. 357 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,040 So that's what epigenetics is. 358 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,280 It's not what you come with. 359 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,080 It's what you do with. 360 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:22,400 And I think that we came with this hustle culture baked in for a while now and we find 361 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,760 ways to validate things in our life. 362 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,840 Our brains are just really good at that, whether it's good things or bad things. 363 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,280 You kind of have to control which one you're validating because your brain's just really 364 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,960 good at it. 365 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:43,360 And what I do know is that. 366 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:49,280 So one of the things that my clients say regularly is everyone is noticing how much I'm doing. 367 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,720 Why do I feel like I'm not doing so much? 368 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,680 And I said, well, that's the difference when you're productive versus busy. 369 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,120 Everyone can tell that you're being productive, but productive doesn't mean that you are hustling. 370 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:02,960 Doesn't mean you were rushing. 371 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,680 Hustling means that you're working with people and leaders hashtag leadership math, right? 372 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:13,320 If I work with you, we can do twice as much in the same amount of time, literally. 373 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,060 Yes, I love that. 374 00:19:16,060 --> 00:19:19,480 And you said people can tell when you're productive. 375 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,680 The best clients can also tell when you're busy. 376 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,320 Like they can also tell when you're trying too hard and it's a repellent from what's 377 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,320 going on. 378 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,680 You know, like they know, like, oh my gosh, like I don't even subconsciously. 379 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:33,680 That will tell them no. 380 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,680 He's too busy. 381 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:35,960 I can't reach out to him. 382 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,440 I don't want to stress him or her. 383 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,120 I get to play a color commentator in this. 384 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,640 And it's fun because sometimes you sound like the smarter one. 385 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:44,640 She's a smarter one. 386 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,760 Like this is so easy to see. 387 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,080 You said control what you validate. 388 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,600 And I was like, oh, what you mean by that is master, right? 389 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,840 Master, become a master of what you validate. 390 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,420 One area of visionaries where I see so many visionaries fall short on this and it's kind 391 00:20:00,420 --> 00:20:05,120 of it can be scary to address though is when you're when you're trying to validate how 392 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:09,840 valuable your product is and somebody gives you negative feedback. 393 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:16,320 There's so many entrepreneurs who go, oh, we are the first person we've heard that from, 394 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,880 you know, and you defend it. 395 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,520 You're like, oh, no, that's the first time I've ever heard that. 396 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,200 Or, you know, oh, nobody else ever felt that way before. 397 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,200 You know, how everybody felt? 398 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,200 No, no, you don't. 399 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,500 You know, Harvard Business Review on Yelp for every one negative review got 26 people 400 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:32,500 didn't speak up. 401 00:20:32,500 --> 00:20:33,500 That was before COVID. 402 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:35,220 Oh, but everybody put a mask on. 403 00:20:35,220 --> 00:20:36,420 But your earphones in. 404 00:20:36,420 --> 00:20:39,140 Now nobody tells you, you know, like, like what's going on. 405 00:20:39,140 --> 00:20:41,900 You have to be willing to look at it. 406 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:47,280 And that's that to me is one of the greatest areas of of, you know, we don't need to get 407 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,580 scared of any type of feedback that we have. 408 00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:53,560 Not a for centred on who we are. 409 00:20:53,560 --> 00:21:03,420 How can leaders develop that skill set, Karygene, where they can they can have enough self-confidence 410 00:21:03,420 --> 00:21:08,040 to be able to or whatever else they need and part of that formula to be able to receive 411 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,680 feedback and know that it's going to drive better results from them rather than hide 412 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,200 from it. 413 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,200 Simple answer practice. 414 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,200 I mean, simple answer. 415 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,200 Not so easy. 416 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,200 How do you practice that? 417 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:25,480 So emotional, so I would lean into emotional intelligence and asking for feedback. 418 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,480 Get OK. 419 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,880 I say it this way. 420 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,240 So in emotional intelligence, one of the greatest things, one of the greatest human hacks you 421 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,280 learn is that it's really not about you. 422 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,680 Now, we've heard that in multiple places everywhere. 423 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:44,440 But when you realize that each person is almost exactly the same, except that our experiences 424 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:51,640 are so completely different that that changes how it's like flavors in a soup, a small change 425 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,240 in the seasoning changes the entire soup. 426 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,800 Right. 427 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,320 So what is right for somebody else when they are giving you feedback is one hundred percent 428 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,320 right and valid for them. 429 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Period. 430 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,320 That is it. 431 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,320 Done. 432 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,400 But just because they're right does not mean that you are wrong. 433 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,840 It's not how it works, because what that just because it's right for them does not mean 434 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,280 that it's right for me. 435 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,920 So when someone gives you feedback, here's the best thing to practice. 436 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,680 Thank you so much for letting me know that. 437 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:20,920 Say it with me, friends. 438 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,920 Thank you. 439 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:22,920 Thank you. 440 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:23,920 Thank you. 441 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:24,920 Literally. 442 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:30,400 And then pro tip, if you want to take it so that this becomes something that gets more 443 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:37,040 in your life and easier, you say thank you, say more, ask a few questions, get some specifics, 444 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:42,800 figure out one thing in everything that they said that you genuinely feel you could, in 445 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,320 fact, impact or work on because they literally just gave you the keys to the kingdom, all 446 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,000 the things that they want you to do to make their life easier. 447 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,920 If you can pick one and say thank you so much for all of that feedback. 448 00:22:53,920 --> 00:23:00,120 You know, I heard you say that I'm just not communicating as quickly as you would like. 449 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,720 So you know what I'm going to do is I'm going to make sure that I'm getting back to you 450 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,080 within 24 hours. 451 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,720 Is that enough time? 452 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,720 Excellent. 453 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:13,200 If I don't, I encourage you to remind me that I made this commitment to you. 454 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,480 Thank you so much for letting me know. 455 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,740 I love that. 456 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:21,740 I love that to add to that framework just a tiny bit. 457 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:26,420 When you're asking for feedback, one of the things that you can also add to that is making 458 00:23:26,420 --> 00:23:30,240 sure to say, you know, one, I'm going to love the feedback that you give. 459 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,480 I promise because people are scared to give it. 460 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,480 They don't want to get attacked. 461 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,720 They want to hurt you. 462 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,320 And two, tell me more about that. 463 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,340 That question of actually like digging deeper. 464 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:45,480 Tell me more about that is not a question, but is one of the most important statements 465 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,080 to support any question that you ever ask somebody. 466 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,040 So when you're diving deeper, now they know they have permission to go into the real depths 467 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,040 of what they may have wanted to say. 468 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,800 We had a branding specialist that told us that she hated the hero concept of our brand 469 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,840 and that we needed to move on from it. 470 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,840 It was almost her words. 471 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,880 It was very much her direction with the branding idea. 472 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:15,560 Sometimes advisors give us feedback that isn't aligned with what we do, even though they 473 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,680 are the expert. 474 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,680 And granted, she is. 475 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,320 She's very good at branding. 476 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:26,180 The key, I could have been better though at validating the great things that she did come 477 00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:27,900 up with in that process. 478 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:32,280 The diplomacy skills, what you said, like being able to validate what she did give to 479 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:37,120 us while honoring and standing for the brand that we knew that part of our brand wasn't 480 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,400 going anywhere and it wasn't going away. 481 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,960 That's also something that I love at least in the beginning. 482 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,360 It's practice, practice, practice, practice. 483 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:46,360 We've got to do that. 484 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:47,520 Well said. 485 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,240 What's your vision for you, Cara Jean? 486 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,300 I have an audacious goal, which I love to talk about. 487 00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:57,760 So my husband, Sun and I are welcome to Wham. 488 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:03,600 This is our Wilson Adventure Mobile and we plan to tour the US to do research and development 489 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,840 on eco villages because we want to buy land and build our own community. 490 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,000 We want to build an entire eco village around a STEAM university. 491 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,040 So science, technology, engineering, arts, mathematics, and medicine. 492 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,520 You got the magic school bus. 493 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,520 Yes. 494 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,520 I love this. 495 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,520 We want to build a physical magical school bus at a site. 496 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,520 Yes. 497 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,520 Oh my gosh. 498 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,520 That is so cool. 499 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,520 It fits with the hair. 500 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,520 You get the trophy. 501 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,520 Yes, you get. 502 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,520 Oh my goodness. 503 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,520 That's amazing. 504 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,520 Okay. 505 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,440 So when, when do I get on? 506 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,800 The original plan. 507 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,640 Well, so interestingly enough, we're about two years ahead of schedule. 508 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:46,200 So when we first started planning this, my husband and I prior to having a kid, we thought, 509 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,320 you know, 2025, we're going to get a trailer in 2025. 510 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,040 We ought to be just about done with potty training about then, and then we'll launch. 511 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,440 So we're actually looking at either this summer or next summer. 512 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,440 Okay. 513 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,480 Ms. Frizzle will call me when this happens. 514 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,480 Okay. 515 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,480 Oh, it'll be all over. 516 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,000 Just start watching y'all for Wham social media, because we're going to share the entire 517 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,200 audacious experience with you. 518 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,200 Yes. 519 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,200 That is so cool. 520 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,080 You get to see the mess in all. 521 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,080 I love it. 522 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,080 I love it. 523 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:21,200 We're going to dive from one of the most magical statements I've ever heard on the show into 524 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,280 the darkest of questions that I ask. 525 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,040 And so, so yeah, jarring move. 526 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,840 I don't even know how to make this transition. 527 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,840 So I'll just own that segue. 528 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,840 There you go. 529 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,840 Oh, segue. 530 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Right. 531 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:39,880 So what is the worst leadership experience you've ever witnessed, seen or had or done? 532 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,880 Hmm. 533 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,600 Golly, there's just so many to choose from. 534 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,040 Is that a terrible thing to say? 535 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,400 Well, you're in leadership development here. 536 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,400 Nobody's shocked here. 537 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,400 Okay. 538 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,400 Nobody. 539 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,400 Probably. 540 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,400 You live in the world. 541 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,400 Facts. 542 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,400 Humaning. 543 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,400 Hmm. 544 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,400 Man. 545 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:06,560 So for me, the worst thing to see is the snowball effect. 546 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,520 So you know when you are working in a company and you start to notice something's going 547 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,520 sideways. 548 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,360 You know, you're in operations, you're doing the things you're like, ah, this isn't coming 549 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:17,360 from us. 550 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,480 This is a fall down problem and I can even pinpoint where, right? 551 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:28,960 So we're growing and our top is not and if we don't have executive presidents at operations, 552 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,960 we're going to lose some brand. 553 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,960 Right? 554 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,960 And so you mention it. 555 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:38,000 So you actually get up the courage to go to somebody and be like, hey, so you said that 556 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,760 it's really important for you to be connected with your operations and you're not. 557 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,560 I think we ought to deal with this. 558 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,600 And they go, I don't think it's really that big of a problem. 559 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,600 It's your business. 560 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,600 You do you. 561 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,600 Right. 562 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,320 And then you follow along for a few years and you start to see those Swiss cheese holes 563 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,320 get bigger and bigger. 564 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,920 And you're like, OK, no, but I have to say it again. 565 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,380 OK, but no, really, really. 566 00:27:58,380 --> 00:28:03,840 So if we want a foundation of trust, we're really going to need to build that trust. 567 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,040 And executive presence is huge for that. 568 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,000 So if you're not available, we're going to have to find a way to make someone who can 569 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,800 have that clout available so that we can go help people. 570 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,800 Right. 571 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,800 We need to. 572 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,800 It's hard. 573 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,960 And then we had a pandemic and they said, no, I really don't think that that's necessary 574 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,680 at all. 575 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,680 And you can watch as a company with absolutely the right people, the right intent, the right 576 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,120 framework, the right everything starts to no longer want just alignment. 577 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,560 They start looking for agreement because we just got to get through. 578 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,920 We just got to get through. 579 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:46,240 And once we get through, then how many of us as entrepreneurs or leaders or human beings 580 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,600 have said when I have, then I can't. 581 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,800 Rather than just canning now. 582 00:28:53,800 --> 00:29:01,080 And when I when you watch that unfold over years with a corporation, it's heartbreaking 583 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,480 because you absolutely love the people involved. 584 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:12,000 You know, their intent is one hundred and twenty percent the right intent. 585 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,800 But our intent and our behaviors, if we don't align those whole things, those sideburns 586 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,400 so fast. 587 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,800 You know, everybody is listening. 588 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,360 Tribal Leadership is one of the absolute most well researched books on the planet. 589 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,680 I get it is that it is that good and it is that amazing. 590 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,480 And you just dissected one of those again, one of those sections I was listening to last 591 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:43,360 night about people who say when I have, then I can versus the tribal shift. 592 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:49,040 You know, the next magical level of growth and leadership and success comes when you 593 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,720 say now, right. 594 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,120 Now I can write you. 595 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,560 It's not based on an external contingent. 596 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,560 It's based on the average. 597 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,560 I thought you were describing marriage for a while while you're talking about that, the 598 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,560 the challenges, right. 599 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,560 Relationships are all exactly the same, but different. 600 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Yep. 601 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,560 Relationships. 602 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,560 That's right. 603 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,560 That's right. 604 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,560 So I'm grateful for that. 605 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,280 And yeah, we've you know, if you've been lucky enough to work in a great culture, you know, 606 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,880 with people who you care about and love a lot of times it comes down to our ability 607 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,480 or inability rather to communicate, right. 608 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:30,400 To listen, to understand people that deteriorates far too many great relationships on the flip 609 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,480 side, if you're stuck in an environment where that is the cultural norm and desired standard 610 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:42,360 and you don't have the tribal leadership book skills of languages of transitioning those, 611 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:49,360 which I did not when I was in such a culture, you're you know, it's sometimes best to change 612 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,920 environments completely and realize you got to find people who understand the value of 613 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,840 we can now and start fresh with with those types of people. 614 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,640 So do you want to talk about that a little bit further? 615 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,640 Do you want to dive into the best leadership experience? 616 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,120 Well, so just a little because I love that. 617 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,840 I love and that's part of it really ties in everything we were saying before, right. 618 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,960 So this hustle culture, it used to be we had this hustle culture. 619 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,320 And if people cared about people, the staff really appreciate that. 620 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,640 They were like, wow, this is a great place to work. 621 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,880 The new workforce expects it. 622 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,280 They're coming in with some emotional intelligence. 623 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,040 And if you have less than them, they're like, I'll go somewhere else. 624 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,120 But as a neuro spicy, we need it. 625 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,260 We need that safety so that we can innovate and the neuro spicy will they will come up, 626 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:41,420 they will make connections that you're like, I never. 627 00:31:41,420 --> 00:31:48,920 But now that you have to create that space to get that result. 628 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,120 Oh, well said. 629 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,240 Oh, my gosh. 630 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,600 Let's end it right there. 631 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,160 So now let's keep going. 632 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,080 I'm going to binge drink out of your fountain. 633 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,760 So what's your best leadership experience look like? 634 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:16,360 There's also a lot of really good ones of those two. 635 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,240 OK, so shameless plug, go to empathy circle.com. 636 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,240 You're welcome. 637 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,160 The empathy circle facilitator training is currently free. 638 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,600 And here is a community that has Edwin Rush has been building this community for decades. 639 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:37,120 And he is relentless in his desire to get empathy and empathetic skills into the hands 640 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,840 of the of the world. 641 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:47,240 In this, yes, in this, it recently there has been an explosion within the community. 642 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,680 So he him and his brother purchased an old seminary college in Santa Barbara, California, 643 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,800 and they are renovating it to make it a physical center of empathy. 644 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:02,440 And y'all I'm talking like hooking up the trees so they sing permaculture for the land 645 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,320 discussions about what does empathy look like in furniture, in paint, in quiet rooms and 646 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,960 loud rooms and art. 647 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,200 And it's incredible. 648 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,960 And it's exploded the movement. 649 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:19,200 And when you have these massive scaling experiences, and I know any business person out there who 650 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,760 has ever scaled knows this experience, it can be really hard to stay on top of that 651 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,560 wave and not get turned up into the middle of it, to really direct it and write it where 652 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,560 you want it to go. 653 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:38,320 And because Edwin has baked empathy and his empathy practice into his community as a way 654 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:46,480 of handling problems, it is scaling beautifully and people feel that they are part of a movement 655 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,120 rather than making a movement or lifting a movement or working for a movement. 656 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,440 They're a part of it. 657 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:58,680 And it's an and that kind of leadership where even when you are exhausted and tired and 658 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,320 absolutely overworked, the people around you still feel that they are a part of it and 659 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,320 they want more. 660 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,320 They want to help more. 661 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,520 They want to take more off your plate. 662 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,720 Oh, I just want to hug those leaders, period. 663 00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:14,480 That's hard to do. 664 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,320 We all get hangry. 665 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,120 We all have moments and we're sleep deprived or we're hangry. 666 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,680 And those are truly the true tests of character as a leader. 667 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:34,760 It's definitely still something that I struggle with and want to champion to get better. 668 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,160 That's big and important to me. 669 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,880 What would you what are some of the frameworks or things that somebody can do to step into 670 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,040 their best leadership and their worst moments? 671 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,920 When they know that training that is the same as you mentioned shameless plug. 672 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,920 Teach me about that. 673 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,920 What's the connection? 674 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,640 So I am absolutely one of the volunteers who support I help. 675 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,440 I help them with the summits that they're running right now. 676 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,160 I like to just support in general. 677 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,360 I am excited to get to go down and be on the site and do another training. 678 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,600 I'm certified as a facilitator myself and I'm shameless in promoting them because the 679 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:18,200 skill what I learned, the best thing for me that I learned that I literally use every 680 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,680 day and twice on Saturdays with my toddler. 681 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:22,680 No joke. 682 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,820 If you're a parent, run faster to that site and sign up yesterday. 683 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:32,760 But if you're in leadership and you can train yourself to reflect what somebody says to 684 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,320 you rather than reacting, rather than responding, rather than asking before any of that, if 685 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:44,320 you can train yourself simply to say, so what I heard you say is this. 686 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,840 It changes everything in every conversation. 687 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,560 It allows you to meet them where they are. 688 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,940 You get to experience what they are saying from your own mouth. 689 00:35:53,940 --> 00:36:02,640 And if they say something that irritates you, because that happens a lot, it buys you time 690 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,960 to process your own emotions and be like, okay, settle, settle, let the spiciness cool 691 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,240 down and then respond after you've reflected. 692 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:17,960 That one skill has elevated my ability to lead people exponentially. 693 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,960 I love that. 694 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,960 I would add one layer in between there. 695 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,960 I love it. 696 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:29,480 You start reacting like an animal, responding like a human and just quickly saying, oh, 697 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,480 I heard you. 698 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,640 Let me tell you what I feel. 699 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:38,240 The one before the reflection, to buy yourself even more time is still that statement for 700 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,840 me of tell me more about that. 701 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:47,480 Can you help me understand what you mean by that? 702 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:53,680 That can also be helpful, but the reflection game is a game actually in therapy. 703 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,920 They call it passing the ball. 704 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,920 That passing the ball is once somebody has said what they need to say, they give you 705 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,280 the ball and then you take that and you say, now here's what I heard. 706 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:12,680 You say, you said all of our money is going to my business and taxes. 707 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,640 You give the ball back and they say, no, it's not what I said at all. 708 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,840 I said, I just want to go out with my friends once in a while. 709 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,400 Then you can take it again. 710 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:28,920 It's a really interesting game and I haven't used it in a while because my diplomacy is 711 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,600 taken off to new levels where we don't need it as much, but it is one of those systems 712 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:41,280 that I use to train my entrepreneurs on, okay, wait, here's where the misconstruing is happening 713 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,200 between you and such and such a team member. 714 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,000 I love that reflection aspect though. 715 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,720 That is very much passing the ball. 716 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:55,240 It's a new way to look at it that's not as childish, which can be good for people who 717 00:37:55,240 --> 00:38:05,960 are less into, oh, I don't have a kid that's 12, 10, eight and three. 718 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:12,000 If you do have a toddler and I know if you do, you know how they get, and let's be honest, 719 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,440 let's be of teammates and they get that idea fixated in their head and they're like, I 720 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,440 want this thing. 721 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,440 I want this thing. 722 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,440 I want this thing. 723 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,440 And you're like, Hey, I hear you want this thing. 724 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,440 They're like, yeah, I want this thing. 725 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,040 You're like, what's your favorite thing about that thing? 726 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,440 And they're like, Oh, I love this part of you. 727 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,880 Like, Oh, I heard that you love this part of it. 728 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,040 They're like, yeah. 729 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,440 What else do you love about it? 730 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,440 Oh, I love this thing. 731 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,320 And by the third or fourth, what else? 732 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,320 They've already moved on to something else. 733 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,320 Yes. 734 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,320 That's so cool. 735 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,320 I'm using that. 736 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,200 I needed that the other day. 737 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,480 It took me about five minutes longer than it should have. 738 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,480 And it was great. 739 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,200 I mean, I feel like a grandpa this time, you know, fourth child, like, you know, you kind 740 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:53,280 of learn some things for first children, you know, but that, but it took me a while. 741 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,520 That would have been that much faster. 742 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,520 That's so cool. 743 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,400 So yeah, I'm using that. 744 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,400 Well done. 745 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,400 Solve the problems in my life. 746 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,400 So all in one session. 747 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:11,360 But speaking of, if this was the absolute last time that we had the opportunity to share 748 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,280 a powerful lesson, there's no other chance after this, Kara. 749 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:22,280 What powerful lesson can other visionaries learn from your experience? 750 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,640 Try and do these without getting too emotional, but I get kind of emotional as I go into this 751 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,640 space. 752 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,480 I appreciate that. 753 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,480 You matter. 754 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:37,280 Your choices matter more than you're even aware. 755 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,960 And the things that you've been told make you broken or damaged or divergent are in 756 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,840 fact superpowers that you can leverage to do your best. 757 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:52,480 And if there are things that you don't like about yourself, you can change because while 758 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,440 the past shaped you, it does not get to define you. 759 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,880 And you've already survived 100% of your worst days and thrived 100% of your best days. 760 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,920 And there are more best days coming. 761 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,600 I'm going to make you dive deeper. 762 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,480 Where does the emotion come from on this? 763 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,080 I'm not going to make you, but I would like to. 764 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,600 No, I love to share the story. 765 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,400 So warning to everyone watching suicide. 766 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,120 We're going to talk about suicide. 767 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,440 Yeah. 768 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,280 So a big part of what put me on my path. 769 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:28,360 Now I was already on my path sort of at that time, but the thing that dropped the gauntlet 770 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,200 in my life was my brother's suicide. 771 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,640 And it is the story of hustle culture that we all know. 772 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,120 Such a beautiful, happy human being masked, right? 773 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:46,040 That presents is so happy and joyful all of the time struggling with unseen demons like 774 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,880 anxiety and depression and neuro spicy divergences. 775 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,720 In a position of power and growing through success within companies, getting more and 776 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:00,960 more leadership put into their lap because they're so good at it. 777 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,800 But also that comes with chronic stressors and chronic stressors on top of invisible 778 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,960 diseases can make you feel completely uncapable. 779 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,080 And it can cost lives. 780 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,360 We know this from the statistics around suicide. 781 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:20,520 My brother is one, it's not even a drop in a bucket full of these experiences. 782 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,600 And if people really knew, if they really knew how much they mattered, how connected 783 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:30,000 they in fact were to everyone around them and how they didn't have to hurt all of the 784 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,040 time, my world would be better. 785 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,560 Yeah. 786 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,560 Thank you for that. 787 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,340 All of our worlds would be better if we could also make, you know, more leaders can make 788 00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:50,920 space for shining light on darkness, not falling into it. 789 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,920 So I honor that. 790 00:41:51,920 --> 00:42:01,120 I'm grateful for you for being, being willing to dive into the, you know, the depth of what 791 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,920 you mean by that. 792 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:09,080 And that is one of those elements of life that if there are too many people out there 793 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,960 who don't know that they matter, that don't know that they belong. 794 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,320 And when we can activate those people, in fact, I hope you, have you met Andrew Sosin 795 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,200 or did you connect me by chance to him? 796 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,360 Why do I know that name? 797 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,360 Recovery Unplugged. 798 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:32,040 He's got a program that, and it's three of his executives out of his 400 plus team members, 799 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,600 they have been through his addiction recovery program. 800 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,600 Right. 801 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,920 And they've gotten to the point where, you know, they're now very functional, high functioning 802 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,440 executives that are, have families, you know, that are crushing it in life. 803 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,200 And his program's absolutely genius. 804 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,520 I will connect you to. 805 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,840 Yes, I already have two connections that I need to connect him to. 806 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,640 So yes, please, absolutely. 807 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,400 Okay, great. 808 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,800 That's exciting because what happens when that occurs, everybody, the visionaries who 809 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,240 are listening, when you take a chance on somebody because you're in a leadership capacity to 810 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:11,640 help transform their life by being a guide, by asking the right questions, by helping 811 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,360 them become a visionary of what they do. 812 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,700 What happens is you end up creating a very good monster. 813 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:24,600 You end up creating somebody who can produce results that does, that has everything to 814 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,800 gain because of how much they've lost. 815 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:33,440 And they usually have a trajectory, you know, in life that's just like a rocket ship. 816 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,360 So my other invitation and challenge to all you visionaries is instead of trying to hire, 817 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:45,120 you know, the picture perfect marketing and brander from Nike, no offense to you guys 818 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:52,960 who are crushing it in life, you know, but don't let the external factors be the guides 819 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,880 of who you need on your team and why you should bring people into your organization. 820 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:05,040 Time to study out what, how do I recognize the signs of somebody who internally has it 821 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,400 all and just hasn't had the opportunity to unlock that, be the person who unlocks that 822 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,400 for people. 823 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,320 And it'll be amazing what types of results you can drive together. 824 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,320 Thoughts on that? 825 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,680 This is going to be our last topic. 826 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,680 I was trying not to cry again because yes, I mean, that's really it though. 827 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:33,320 It is, you can continue in the world to follow the hustle culture and try and manage people 828 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,240 and figure out how to push them to results where you can lead people and you can align 829 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:44,080 around values and you can co-create innovations that will change the world. 830 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,080 I just got a great story the other day. 831 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,400 Often we think we want to be first, right? 832 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,400 First class business. 833 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,320 We want to be the number one. 834 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,120 But there is a really, really wealthy patent specialist who says, oh, no, you don't. 835 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,360 You want to be number two. 836 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,160 Let number one invest, let them learn and try and adjust. 837 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,120 And when you feel like they're number one, go look at what they do, innovate it and patent 838 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,120 it. 839 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,440 Number two is, oh, well in that point of view. 840 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,560 But it really goes to breaking down these concepts of hierarchy. 841 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:25,600 Just because somebody is a boss does not mean that they are not also a giant hot mess. 842 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,080 Just because you're an articulate coach doesn't mean that you're not a hot mess also. 843 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,760 In fact, I would argue if you don't have a hot mess, you're probably not doing things. 844 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,760 I agree. 845 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:43,120 My mouse pad, I've got a new life trick is a book that I'm working on or using as a reference. 846 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,160 I reference this book all the time. 847 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:51,840 And Dr. Peter Drucker in the Effective Executive says that people with tremendous strengths 848 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,640 always come with tremendous weaknesses. 849 00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,720 And if you hire people based on the resume, you're going to find people who are mediocre. 850 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,880 If you're the picture perfect person, the candidate that's politically correct. 851 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,000 But if you want to have extreme successful results, you've got to be willing to make 852 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:16,040 room for the weaknesses of that individual as well, way ahead of his time in terms of 853 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,440 writing that coming up with that reality. 854 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,000 And me and Karajene are like, go, go. 855 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,000 Yes, yes. 856 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,520 So all of you out there too. 857 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,680 Enjoy visionaries, enjoy the opportunity to connect with Karajene. 858 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,280 We're going to put her action steps on the landing page. 859 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,440 That way you know what are the best resources you might turn to based on what circumstance 860 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,720 you're in. 861 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:42,840 In addition to that, if you have a question, feel free to drop it in the comments. 862 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,400 If you thought of somebody during this that you're like, man, I really wish they could 863 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,000 hear this, tag them. 864 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,400 Use that little ad symbol. 865 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,360 Tag them in it so they can hear it for themselves. 866 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,400 And one little life hack to help people get what you know they need is to then put the 867 00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,400 timestamp. 868 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,880 That way they don't have to listen to the full interview. 869 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,600 They can go right to the source of what they want. 870 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,560 Also, if you're a visionary and you want to share your vision on this stage, in the top 871 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,760 right corner is a button that says be our guest. 872 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,720 We would love to have your vision on this stage as long as it's holistic, as long as 873 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:15,560 it's helping others. 874 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,600 You don't have to be Peter Drucker. 875 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,680 You don't have to be, let's see here, who else is on my desk right now? 876 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,880 The Arbanger Institute with leadership and self-deception. 877 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,120 You can be on the brink of starting something amazing. 878 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,960 That's what vision is all about. 879 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,840 It's not necessarily come to fruition. 880 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,920 But if you are the Arbanger Institute, by all means, we'd love to have you too. 881 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:44,320 So with that said, Kara, is there any particular final message you want to leave with people 882 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,080 or where you want people, where people should turn to next to get your support? 883 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,280 Oh, come join me on Kara Corner and Facebook. 884 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,800 I offer a lot of complimentary support in that space. 885 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,440 I absolutely believe that coaching is worth tens of thousands of dollars because you're 886 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,840 going to get hundreds of thousands of dollars results. 887 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,280 I also know that we just ended a pandemic, y'all, and not everybody has tens of thousands 888 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,040 of dollars to drop on it, but we all have problems. 889 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,520 Yeah, we do. 890 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,280 So come meet other people who have the same problem. 891 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:24,080 If you are a STEM leader, a neuro spicy leader, if you work in the STEM industry, if you want 892 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,400 to are an entrepreneur, multi-passion entrepreneur and want to be around other people who get 893 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,600 it, who aren't going to shame you for growing and learning and developing and in fact are 894 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,160 going to celebrate and support the things that you share. 895 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,160 Come share what you do in our corner so that we can be in your corner. 896 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,120 But Kara, I already have a coach. 897 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:49,000 Now if that's that, if that's that belief that goes to your mind, that is called eliminating 898 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,360 belief and it's not something to be scared of. 899 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,720 It's a reality that you're dealing with. 900 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:57,920 And I would invite you to look at successful people in the world and think, I wonder how 901 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,440 many coaches LeBron James has for all the things that he does. 902 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,440 I wonder how many coaches Elon Musk's has for all the things that he's doing. 903 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:10,560 I wonder if it's smart to have my spiritual coach who's broke be my financial coach or 904 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,760 my financial coach to be my team leader coach when all he's worried about is risk assessment 905 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,280 for my own money and his own money. 906 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,760 Maybe not the best leadership guy. 907 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,160 I mean, to go towards depends on everybody's personality, of course, but my invitation 908 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,280 to you is use the plus sign in life. 909 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,200 This person and this person, right? 910 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,840 This company and this company, this opportunity and this opportunity. 911 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,680 When you find people that align with your heart and your mind, run towards it. 912 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:39,920 Run towards Kara Jean Wilson. 913 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,920 She's amazing. 914 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,160 And we look forward to seeing you on the next episode. 915 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,200 Everybody have a fantastic rest of your day. 916 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,200 Take care. 917 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,600 Thank you for being here today. 918 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,080 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 919 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,840 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward. 920 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,480 This is going to get more and more fun. 921 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,560 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 922 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,880 We'll invite people to participate in the show. 923 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,120 And thank you for giving us your time and attention. 924 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:20,880 Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.