Yeah, for sure. That'll be awesome. Okay.
And one of the things I don't think I asked you is,
how did you get into becoming a Christian business coach?
Yeah. So my story really starts with corporate America.
I've been a driver, striver,
achievement chaser my whole life.
Got into corporate because that was what you
did when you graduated college.
And I was always going for the next thing,
and the next thing, and the next thing.
In 2010, I started my own business
as part of a network marketing company,
because I wanted to exit out of
corporate and have more time and money with my family.
But I've always been an overachiever.
So the way I got into what I do now is in 2014,
I woke up with the luxury house, the luxury car,
the bank account, and all the outward symbols of success.
But inwardly, I was empty and unfulfilled,
and I reached out to a mentor thinking she would tell me,
we just have to do more.
And what she actually said was,
you don't know who you are or whose you are,
and you were not made to work this way.
Do you have a relationship with Jesus?
And from what felt like rock bottom at that moment,
I reached up and gave my life to Christ.
And over the next four years,
learned a lot about what meant to
do business with him in the lead.
And then in 2018, he said,
now go teach this to my ambitious daughters.
And here I am today.
Wow. That's awesome.
I'm so glad. I'm so glad we get to dive into that right away.
I got to pull up something that
I just loved about your website because it's very clear.
I don't know if you know this,
but it's very clear how amazing your brand is coming together.
And headed towards that Tony Robin status.
I love your personality.
I mean, how you show it, you talk about,
you know what it's like to be
the business owner who procrastinates the planning.
And you've got such clear materials,
you've got great branding.
There's a sense of cohesion amongst your content.
And that's hard to do.
Like that takes a lot of discipline and
practice to get to where you're at with this.
You've got your podcast as well,
redefining hustle, pursuing success as a Christian woman.
How long have you had the podcast for now?
Five years this month. Oh my goodness.
It might've been five years on Monday.
I've got to look back at that.
You're an OG podcast host. That's awesome.
I mean, kind of.
Right. And not Johnny Dumas, you know,
not back 2013, but still,
before the, it was before the craze.
And now it's going to get even crazier with Joe Rogan's deal.
You know, the quarter billion dollar transaction
that he just did a few weeks ago with Spotify
for his renewal.
Like that's going to elevate the platform even further.
And you know, just like radio shows popped up everywhere
over time, same things now happening with podcasts
for different reasons, different purposes, different angles.
But I certainly love the light in the hill
that you're shining.
Thank you. Thank you.
Absolutely. If you were to recommend three resources
or three books to other visionaries out there,
what would they be?
Well, the first one is going to be the Bible.
And I've read a lot of business books.
Thank you. Thank you.
You're the first one.
188 people now. You're the first one.
You know, here's the thing is I've read a lot
of business books.
And when I really gave my life to Christ
and dug into the Bible, that's where all the lessons are.
So whether business people who are authors know it or not,
what they're sharing and teaching has foundation
in the Bible.
So that to me is number one.
The other two books are maybe considered sort of one-off
reads or maybe you only read them once a year.
The first one is One Word That Will Change Your Life
by John Gordon, et cetera.
I use that book every single year and pray through
what will be my word for the year to keep me focused.
And then the second book kind of ties along with that,
which is Best Year Yet by Ginny Ditzler,
which is actually like 20 something years old,
but it is a process that I go through every year
and I walk people through it as well to really define
what happened last year, what did I learn?
And now how do I want this year to look?
It goes beyond, I mean, it's really visionary.
It goes beyond setting goals and strategy down
to what is going to be my paradigm for this year.
So those three books together are my recommendations
for sure.
I love that.
And visionaries who are listening in that have already
started to work with team members and clients
and using these resources with people is one of the greatest
self trainings to get the most out of these types
of resources.
I didn't read The Compound Effect by Darren Hardy.
I had invited a homeless person to live with us
to get him back on his feet.
I gave him The Compound Effect.
He read it and he would teach me about The Compound Effect
in the chapters.
It was a very cool experience to learn from the book
and the knowledge of Darren Hardy,
but also to learn what he was picking up
as he was starting to implement those skills in his life.
Right, so I love that you use the resources like that.
We're gonna go to the intro real quick.
We'll come back on and we'll dive deeply into
Aaron Harrigan's vision for clarity,
serenity and fulfillment for other Christian women leaders
out there and really any leader who wants to be led
by somebody with strong foundations and values in place.
All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live.
With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host.
We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs
and guest leaders who are building
fantastic visions out there.
Hey, what's up everybody?
Welcome in to another episode of Vision Pros Live.
I'm your show host, Jackson Calame,
founder and CEO of First Class Business.
I'm excited to have Erin Harrigan
rocking the mic with me today.
She is a bold Christian woman
who is also a bold business leader
and I love bold leaders.
What is difficult for business world
is when you have a bunch of fractional C level executives
that don't realize that the C stands for chief.
Chiefs make decisions.
They do things boldly.
They help people move mountains.
It is very clear to me that Erin
is very good at moving mountains.
And so she's somebody definitely to consider looking at
and saying, well, what can I learn from this individual?
And consider reaching out to her as well after the show.
Before we dive in and bring her on stage though,
I'm gonna talk a little bit about these sponsors
that have also made massive impressions on me.
For those of you who follow regularly,
you'll see a new one on there.
We've got the lost spot first off with Melissa Gray.
And the lost spot, Melissa came on my show
and she wasn't your typical pretentious lawyer
who didn't have a personality
that was charging in crazy retainers.
She has this dream and vision
of making sure that the client knows,
law doesn't have to be complicated.
And at the same time,
while legal zoom is cool and all that,
there's a benefit to having somebody on retainer
or access to somebody who you can trust
and bounce ideas off of and understand
what's actually going in that territory.
I call this being a wise steward of our ventures.
And I know that out of all of the companies I've worked with
and I've worked with a few thousand at this point,
less than 5% of them had somebody,
if I would have asked them, who is your legal counsel?
They wouldn't have known.
They would have called somebody last minute.
Well, that puts us in a position
where if we get into trouble,
we're gonna have to pay a lot of money
to get out of that trouble.
Trademark, copyright, et cetera.
We wanna have somebody on hand to help us.
So I recommend interviewing her
as you interview other resources
to decide who's going to help you protect
your vision and your assets.
Then there's Directional Advisors.
Directional Advisors is run by Franklin Parker.
And Franklin has, you know what?
I actually can't talk about the new accolade.
There is a very, very prominent financial advisor platform
that is shifting guards for their podcast hosts.
They've invited him to join them.
I will say they have 685,000 followers on LinkedIn.
They're like the hall of fame of financial advisors.
And he used to work in what's called the home office.
And he was working with an entity,
an individual who's in the billionaire territory.
And what they do is they have teams
that run their finances.
I'm not a billionaire, by the way.
I'm not a multimillionaire.
And I'm happy to admit that
and have a private conversation with you
perhaps about where I'm exactly at
if you really wanna know.
At the same time, we do wanna make sure
that we're protecting those that we work with.
And we wanna again be wise with what we know
and what we have.
Franklin has this mass capacity
of working with incredible finances
while also being extremely relatable as both a musician
and the person of faith who I have come to love dearly
as a leader as he has worked with our team
and shown us just how great his leadership capabilities are.
Again, it's one of those types of people
who once you've spent 12, 16, 20 hours with them,
working and grinding on really important concepts,
you get to see, again, how do they react?
How do they act when things get tough?
He's been phenomenal to work with.
So we've gone ahead and put him as a sponsor of the show,
even though he's still got a ways to go
on the actual brand interface that's out there,
unlike Aaron Herrigan, who has an amazing brand out there.
Now, last things before we bring Aaron on,
the Water Project.
We are so blessed to have access to clean drinking water.
Most of us who are listening to this show
and it's probably within 10 yards of where we're at,
there are millions of people who do not.
I love the Water Project because they showcase to you
where your money is going.
You get to see the outcome of the projects
that you work with.
And in addition to that, if you're not in a position
to where you can give back, my hope is that you will also
either rock the mic and talk about it
and share it with somebody else or just simply comment,
maybe tag a friend who might be interested
in helping the Water Project on a post
about what it is they do.
We got 8 billion people to help in this world.
If you know of a cause that you'd rather see us support
and talk about, please drop it in the comments.
We're happy to support every cause that we can
as we continue to bless this world with the abundance
that we've all been blessed with.
So without further ado, Aaron Herrigan,
welcome to Vision Pros Live.
Thank you for honoring us with your time.
It's such an honor to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
I don't have Cynthia here today.
She's out sick.
So special prayers for her.
And that means that we're gonna have less visual support
on this episode.
So we won't be able to show your brand too often.
I wanna stay really focused on the depths of your vision.
So I hope you're listening and get an extra treat today
since we will be extra focused on that.
But let's start with the first question.
What is your vision for those that you serve?
Serving Christian women in business
who tend to be high achievers,
my vision for them is that they will stand boldly
for Christ in their business.
That's not always popular.
And there's lots of different ways that they can do that.
But I wanna give them a safe space
where they can blend their faith in business.
And my vision as I'm building that out
and have been for five years is this year alone,
we will help over 10,000 women work with more clarity,
serenity and fulfillment,
whether that's through one-on-one coaching,
through my book, through my podcast, et cetera.
I envision these women stepping into a work style
that is unhurried, that is unrushed,
and that they feel that they can truly make kingdom impact
without buying into the lie that they have to hustle
until their haters ask if they're hiring.
Wow, that is awesome.
And that speaks to the depth of the definition
of the word authenticity in a big way.
And I'm a big fan of that.
And I love that you, one thing that really stands out
to me about you is you are a bit bolder than I am.
I will own that.
I used to be overbearing as an individual.
I would cross the threshold in line.
And one of the cool things about you as a leader
is you talked about standing boldly
and also how there's multiple ways of doing that.
Somebody might be softer than your approach.
Somebody might be stronger than your approach.
And does it make it wrong or right?
I don't know.
But I would love for, let's dive in a little bit on that.
How did you come to appreciate the different ways
people can show up?
And how do you think that,
what are some positive ways
that we can be unapologetically Christian
without crushing other people's faiths
or other people's beliefs that may not share that in common?
One of the things that I observe,
I think particularly in today's world
is that we as Christians don't do a very good job
of truly emulating Jesus.
We like to see Jesus as like, hey, he flipped the tables.
So we need to be bold and we need to be loud.
My question is, have you asked God
how he wants you to show up?
We are all very different people.
We have very different skills and talents
that he's given us.
The way that I show up in business may be,
as you just said, more or less bold than someone else.
But I know because I seek that from him,
that I'm not given a platform to talk about certain topics.
I don't think that we should assume that we know
that that's what we're supposed to do
because we are followers of Christ.
We have a clear definition of love people
and make disciples.
We know that's the great commission,
but we've got to individually seek God
and understand how bold do you want me to be?
Very often I run into some of my Christian clients
who actually serve a secular audience and they say,
I don't know how to reflect Jesus in this space.
I'm a copywriter and I can't change my client's words.
But the very thought of you being there and being calm
in the midst of your client's storm
that is reflecting Christ.
While for others, it's really being bold
and out there and upfront about their beliefs.
We have to be really careful
that we are not taking the role of judge,
which is only Jesus's role and judging people.
And unfortunately, we do a really good job
of judging people.
And we most especially do a really good job
of judging fellow believers.
Yeah, it's righteous judgment is a hard thing to understand
and there's lots of viewpoints on it.
But I do love what you're talking about
in terms of making space for different ways of understanding.
I love that you also honor that person who,
you know, when you just live your light,
my greatest example on that is Jake Larson of Video Power.
I am so grateful for that man.
I watched the way he dads.
I watched the way he interacts with people.
He's been one of the greatest influencers
that I've known to in a very big ways,
the YouTube ad expert of the world.
And he doesn't talk about faith,
but everything he does emulates it.
And sometimes he might make a mention of it,
but that quiet dignity is what I would call it,
is incredibly powerful.
And as I shifted to start to emulate more of how Jake lives,
I found myself running this sales group.
And I was still, I was very quiet.
I wouldn't talk about Christianity anymore.
I didn't want to offend people.
I don't want to leverage Christ.
You know, I don't want to be accused of that.
But I had this gentleman send me a message one day
after a year of being in this training program.
And he said, Jackson, I have, I just want you to know,
I got baptized.
I accepted Christ into my life and it was because of you.
And I was blown away because, and it wasn't because of me,
you know, that was because the spirit
and what he chose to do.
But he somehow picked up that I was Christian
in a process where I never once
talked about my relationship with Christ.
And I was like, that's kind of what it's like
to start to move towards the Jake Larson approach.
It was a very wonderful feeling
and any of us can make that happen.
And I tend to like, again, I'm like, well,
and then I'm more unapologetically Christian
than anything and I do talk about it,
but it was hard to step into that.
It's like, oh man, you're okay with me talking
about this on the show?
Yes, it gets your superpower, Erin.
So what's your vision for you?
Well, you know, in Ephesians 4, 1 through 3,
Paul urges us to live a life worthy of our calling
and to, you know, have space and grace for each other,
to make every effort to live in peace.
My vision personally is to live that really
from a standpoint of keeping my priorities in order,
God, family, business.
I did not live that way for a really long time.
My nickname in corporate was Pitbull
because I would get on the bike and never let go.
Like I am gonna stay on here until you tell me no.
And what Jesus has done is he's so tempered
the way that I show up.
And I always want to embrace that he made me ambitious,
but that doesn't mean that I have to bowl people over.
And for a long time, I put my family on hold.
I put our finances in jeopardy.
I put my marriage in a bad place
because I was always seeking the next stage
or the next accolade and the next achievement.
So my personal vision is to live from a place of peace
and to live from a place of,
I am satisfied and content with whatever God does with me,
no matter whether I'm ever on a stage
or ever get the accolades.
That would have been really hard for me
in my previous life, my before Christ life.
But now I have him to lean into
and that's my greatest vision.
And my greatest vision additionally
is to enjoy really good food.
I love tacos, I love artisan cheese, really good wine
and really good travel whenever I can.
Now you gotta come visit San Antonio and often.
Come on down, I'll take you out for tacos.
That'd be great.
We are kindred spirits.
I had Christ early, but I also again
was that overbearing individual who was so controlling.
I never got the compliment,
Jackson's the most amazing sales rep ever,
Jackson's the most amazing.
It was always Jackson is persistent,
which is a back-to-the-way of saying,
he just wouldn't leave me alone.
I was like, man, okay, well,
I guess there's goodness to this virtue,
but how do I start gravitating
towards other abilities for influence?
So yeah, just persistent.
This doesn't have to be a personal,
this could be one that you've seen.
The goal is for those visionaries listening in
to be able to see over the hilltop
of what they might face in the future too.
What's your worst leadership experience ever?
This really is a personal experience.
So like I said earlier,
I've spent about 30 years total in the corporate space.
I had some really great experiences.
One that sticks out for me, however,
in the last job that I have, I was a sales executive.
I was one of the top performers.
We went to a sales meeting
and the VP of sales said in not so many words,
your responsibility is your number.
And if someone comes and asks you for help,
asks you to support them in some way,
your answer has to be no.
You need to be selfish because you have a number to reach.
And I remember that moment,
we were in Jacksonville, Florida.
I remember sitting back and going,
did somebody just say that out loud?
And that leadership trickled down into our everyday life
in such a way that, listen, sales is sales, right?
In so many ways in sales,
you're only as good as your last number.
But when they're physically saying this to you
and the way that they're exemplifying a leadership
that is selfish and not respecting each other,
not respecting everybody's talents and gifts,
just make it happen, that was the worst experience.
And I learned so much from that
that God graced me with that moment
so that I could not emulate that going forward
when I started my own business.
That is an amazing testimony,
the power of words and affirmations, right?
And whether it's a toxic affirmation
and owning the reality or it's the virtue
that you get to hear or testify from your own mouth,
those are incredibly powerful experiences.
And that's really neat that it was the immediate driver
to recognize like, oh man, the doggy dog world, right?
Sales is a doggy dog world, not in my company.
Exactly.
Not with my prospects and clients, it is not.
And thank goodness, people love to shop
in the grocery store, right?
In Sam's Club or Costco,
the moment that's AT&T or those people walk up to you
to try to sell you something, you know, like this.
We don't want to be sold to, we want to buy though.
Yeah.
And so if we can shift the world towards that
from a business standpoint too, dogs don't have to eat dogs.
There's enough room for all of us.
So I love that you mentioned that stand for it.
What's your best leadership experience look like?
Interestingly, my best leadership experience,
also a personal experience happened at the company
that I was at before that last one.
And I actually followed my boss
from the best leadership experience
over to this other company.
He's not the one that gave me the worst experience,
but it was an environment where there was trust,
there was a respect for each other's talents,
strengths and weaknesses.
And a place where we held each other accountable,
not only in a sort of like fluffy woo woo way,
but like that you could call each other out
because you trusted that person so much,
that you knew that even as they were pursuing
their team excelling,
that they were concerned about you excelling as well.
That environment, I was in that leadership team,
I think for about three years,
and it was hands down the best team experience
that I ever had.
And it's because the leaders at the top
truly cared about us,
and they cared about us working with excellence.
And to me as a visionary leader,
it can be so easy to have the vision
and like we can go make it happen by ourselves,
but we're not meant to do it that way.
And so we've got to create environments
where people feel respected and appreciated,
where they feel that they can speak their mind and be heard,
and they're going to perform so much better
in an environment like that.
I love it.
I love it because these championship level cultures
is what you're describing.
It's clear that somebody either intuitively figured out
how to create a culture,
like the five dysfunctions of a team teaches,
or they were very dedicated to reading that book.
For those who haven't seen that,
I'll pull it up, oh, that's the wrong one.
It's the next one after that, there we go.
So in this book,
this is required reading at first class business
because you can't build a championship culture
without everybody understanding the difference of that.
Why are people conflict oriented here, right?
There's a difference in toxic conflict and healthy conflict.
And so you described exactly
what a high performance team looks and feels like.
And so it's required reading in the first week
for everybody to listen to this.
And then to talk to our team members
about how this concept works, why it matters so much.
Because there's nothing better than having a team
who's all working towards the same mission,
excited to support each other.
I have to be held accountable more than anybody
with the amount of directions I'm pulled in.
I need them to do that and say,
yo, Jackson, why are you not responding
to these 109 email drafts that you have?
Like you gotta do that or I can't do my job.
And I'm like, you're right.
I do need to either delegate that better
or grind it out and get my butt in there.
And if the bathroom is dirty, I need to go clean it.
I need to have enough pride in my establishment
to do those things.
So thank you.
You got me all excited because that's,
that is like Patrick Lincione, man, that guy.
He changed my life.
Yeah.
All right, now you have two by the way.
This, in fact you have this Ephesians quote.
I've read the Bible, but I never caught that phrase
and I have a feeling I'll be revisiting this scripture
live a life worthy of our calling.
I cannot tell you how much that resonates
with what we've been able to manifest over this last year.
And it's like, yeah, man, double down, keep going on this.
I think that's about it.
If this was your last chance ever, right?
This is it, the moment to share a powerful lesson
with other visionaries, what would the powerful lesson be
from your experience?
The lesson is don't allow your pursuit of success,
define you, don't let it compromise your values
and your faith.
Don't let it overshadow true meaning and impact.
I was out running this morning
and one of my cool down songs is Coldplay's Viva La Vida.
And what struck me in the lyrics today,
which I've listened to this song a million times,
it's this lyric.
He says, one minute I held the key,
next the walls were closing in on me.
And I discovered that my castles stand upon pillars of salt
and pillars of sand.
The biggest lesson for me is that I built my castle,
I built my success, I built my achievement
on pillars of sand.
I built it based on the world's definitions of success
and what it was gonna take to be an entrepreneur.
And make no mistake, there's plenty of work to be done
as an entrepreneur.
But as a visionary, we have to be visionary
and execute with excellence.
And we can't do that if our sole focus
is what's the next achievement, what's the next sale,
what's the next comma in my check.
So don't build your castles
on the shifting sands of the world.
Don't let it compromise your life
because that's exactly where I found myself
and thank God I did
because that's how I came to Christ.
But I was on a path of losing my marriage,
I was on a path of teaching my now adult daughters
how not to be an executive woman.
That's the biggest lesson that I can tell you
because we can get caught up in those things so quickly.
I lost my first marriage and a similar reality.
So I would agree.
There's so much opportunity to learn truths
and as whether we're young or whether we're close-minded
or whether we're just so driven, like you said,
if we're just so focused on the mission and the vision
that we don't, it's not that we don't listen,
but maybe we're not taking the time to learn
even better listening skills, right?
How to listen.
There's levels of that
and sometimes we have to take the hard path to learn
that there's an opportunity there.
So if we were to dive into your programs, your systems,
how you help individuals.
Erin, just gotta see that.
What does that look like?
Yeah, I work with people in a number of ways.
One-on-one coaching for sure.
Generally those tend to be those six, seven, eight figure
female CEOs who they've reached that pinnacle of success,
but now they're sort of like, wait, is this it?
And I feel stuck and stagnant.
And so I help them with strategy, accountability, focus.
I have a group coaching program that is for those
who may not be ready for one-on-one coaching
or maybe their business isn't quite at that level.
And it's really about providing a community for discernment
and accountability and belonging,
because not only is it lonely
to be an entrepreneur sometimes,
it's really lonely when you're a faith-filled entrepreneur
and trying to sort of navigate,
how do I do business and let the Lord lead?
So one-on-one group coaching.
And then I have an exclusive mastermind
that is called the Faithful Visionaries Roundtable.
It's a private mastermind, it's invite only.
So you won't find that on my website,
but if that's something that you'd love to learn about,
I'm happy to chat.
And then the last thing that I do is a full day
of private coaching.
I call it the Focused and Fruitful Strategy Day.
And it's where we take a 30,000 foot objective view
of your business and really map out what are your services?
What is the pricing?
What is the cadence of that work?
Who is your audience?
And how do you put your mission, your vision,
your values into action in the mission,
in the marketplace that the Lord has given you?
And spending that full day with someone using my strategic
and tactical thinking blended with God's insight
is so fulfilling for me, it's fulfilling for them.
And it's one more way that I can serve people
in doing business, not as usual, if you would.
I love that.
It's funny, we're visionaries who are out there.
I hope what you see on this,
if you're that visionary who realize you don't really
fall in line with the book, The One Thing by Gary Keller,
don't get me wrong.
Oh yeah, that was gonna be one of my recommendations too.
There's that, but then, I love the quote,
the reminder that there was that reporter
who told LeBron James to just shut up and dribble
and not explore the other areas of his life.
They felt that he should focus on his one thing,
and yet, look at him now.
Look at Richard Branson with it.
Look at all these different programs that you have defined
and that you've created and the diverse nature of all.
I love that you call these client love, it's beautiful.
And then you got your book here as well.
So what I'm getting at, a lot of you get challenged
by those who are closest to you,
and you get told you're doing too much
or it doesn't make sense, it's not coming together.
If you can quiet the noise of the world,
and meditate and try to hear what your heart
and your mind are saying based on your spiritual intuition.
I don't have the right to tell you not to write that book
on that napkin, J.K. Rowling, who became a billionaire.
My strategy may not be right for her scenario.
Erin, you got all these amazing courses, books,
paths to help people, and they're really avenues
to find your light.
And so you have that representation to me
of that well-rounded entrepreneur
who's created so many different assets for people
to explore the goodness that you've created for the world.
Did you ever doubt and have that,
yeah, what are they?
Not inferiority complex part of it,
but the imposter syndrome of,
and did people ever tell you, Erin, stop,
you're building too many things,
like you're going too many directions.
Teach us about your path with that.
Yeah, imposter syndrome rears its ugly head often,
but I also know that I have to stay in my lane.
God has clearly given me a lane,
and I realize that while there are others
who speak similar languages around women in business,
not everybody can hear from me,
not everybody can hear from them.
I firmly believe that when he gives you a mission,
he's already aligned the people
that are gonna work with you.
You just have to be obedient
and stepping into the center of his will and move.
So I do struggle with that sometimes.
I recently was working with someone on SEO and keywords,
and she said, give me a list of your competitors.
And I did, who I thought were my competitors.
And she came back and she said,
well, actually this one isn't, but this one is.
And it was funny because I didn't even have
an objective view of like who truly speaks similarly, right?
So that definitely rears its ugly head.
For me, I always turn it back to the Lord
as much as I can.
And I wanna be clear, like I'm not perfect with this.
I haven't been in the word as much
as I know I need to be of late.
And yet when I get back into the word,
it's so peaceful, like it's clear.
And that's where my clarity and my serenity
and my fulfillment truly come from.
And you're going to have that imposter syndrome,
but what did God give you to do, right?
I have not necessarily had someone,
I have had a couple of people say,
I don't know how you do everything you do,
but I am really clear on the things that I do
and I don't do.
I used to be very all over the place.
I've now honed in my offers.
I've honed in my audience.
And I just simply respond,
like I'm being obedient to what God gave me to do
and he doesn't want me to do something,
like I will know that.
There's a lot of things I could offer.
There's my business, I could serve a lot more clients.
I could have a lot bigger group program,
but that is not what he told me to do.
And he has blessed it beyond measure
because I've been obedient to what he gave me.
Yeah, absolutely.
And your virtues get magnified,
our virtues and our vices, they always get magnified.
They typically parallel each other well too, right?
So you have an extreme confidence
that you're able to utilize,
compared to somebody who's sensitive
about talking about this stuff, right?
You come on stage, I'm sure you have your income.
You're like, no, I have my, I'm human too, right?
But you have the gift of confidence
and because of that, it's often,
I have a feeling people don't challenge you
when they probably should sometimes.
And just like leaders I've worked with
that nobody had ever told them,
like what an awful leader they were in that meeting,
you know, and how rude they were to people
because everybody's scared to lose their job.
Everybody's scared to hurt their feelings.
Everybody's and that person,
like they seem like they're doing the right thing
and they're winning, so we might as well, I'm that guy.
It was like, dude, you're an a-hole, man.
Like, why do you treat people?
And I don't do that anymore, but that used to be me.
And so there's, but here's what I'm getting at
for you vision pros out there.
If you are having a hard time with people
doubting your vision and not believing in what you're doing,
it may have a little bit to do
with you thinking you're being humble
about what it is you're doing.
Humility and confidence go hand in hand
when the virtues are maximized.
And so many good natured, especially life coaches
and people in the coaching space, they wanna give.
They wanna bless the whole world.
That's why we got into it.
You wanna just help, but if you don't stand,
if you don't find your confidence
and your sense of belief in yourself
to know that I am called to do this,
you're probably gonna have more people in your life
challenge what you do.
If you can channel your inner Aaron Herrigan
and say, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna go,
or your inner Christ,
and know that regardless of what people say.
Right?
I'm going to do what I know I'm supposed to do.
Yeah.
And it is important though, Jackson,
what you just said is just to round yourself
with people who will push back.
Yeah. Right?
Like that is good leadership.
And very often I say to my clients,
like, listen, I'm gonna encourage you
and I'm gonna show you the love of Christ
and I will take you behind the woodshed if I need to.
Right?
Like, because I don't want you to sit in victimhood,
but I also don't want you to sit in being unrealistic
if what you're offering is really not
what your audience wants.
Like, that's my job as a coach.
And we, as visionaries, we need people
to sort of bring us back down to earth sometimes too.
Yes, of course.
And when you've got a heavy foot on the gas pedal,
like for the brand, right?
There's so many of those entrepreneurs
who don't realize or value the brake or the e-brake.
You can do some really cool things with an e-brake in a car.
Just saying, I don't know how I know that, but just saying.
So when you can maximize the value of both the brake
and the seat belts and all of the things that help us,
you know, build our monumental ventures,
whether it's a rocket ship or a coliseum,
whatever analogy you wanna go with.
Right?
There's so much room for virtues
that we probably haven't developed ourselves.
That's right.
How do we recognize them?
I guess that's my next question for you.
If somebody wants to diversify the virtues
that they gravitate towards,
what have you turned to to make such a,
because you have, you've made a lot of shifts
from what you described before to who you are now.
How did you do it?
How do you keep doing it?
You mentioned a minute ago, humility.
And I believe that it takes a level of humility
to step outside of what you just know,
like you know, like you know, needs to get done
and be willing to grow and shift.
Very often I see my clients, you know,
they're sort of, I don't wanna shift.
I don't wanna learn that lesson.
I just want them to sign the contract,
but there are lessons to be learned.
So number one, we've gotta be humble enough
to allow the lessons to happen.
There's a 38, I love music.
There's a 38 special song, you know,
and the lyric goes, hold on loosely, but don't let go.
If you cling too tightly, you're going to lose control.
And that's the point, right?
Is that we hold these things so tightly,
we white knuckle everything.
And then that's not allowing us to be shifted
and moved and molded.
And the real freedom happens when yes,
we need to focus on our lane, but always surrendering that
to be moved in the direction that really is the best fit
for our gifts and talents, or really does solve problems
and serve a bigger audience.
That's how I've done it, is I had to humble myself.
And trust me when I say, very often,
I am on the floor behind me in my office, face down,
saying, show me your ways, Lord,
because left to my own devices,
like I'm gonna end up in a parking lot every time.
You're limited.
That's it, I mean, that's really how I get through every day.
That's awesome, that is the source.
It's fun, it's so calming too, especially when you step
into that, again, for those who are Christians,
I am speaking to you mostly on this.
When you can work with other Christians,
or you can work with somebody who's truly dedicated
to Buddhism, or they're actually practicing Taoism,
you've got principles that you understand
you can hold each other accountable for.
And that helps us double down on the securities.
If I worked with somebody who practices Taoism,
I gotta learn more about it in order
to appreciate and respect where they're coming from.
Otherwise, we're not gonna understand why we do things.
What that also does though, is it allows us to,
instead of calling it meditation,
we can call it prayer for what it is,
we can invite the business owners we work with
to go pray about it, right?
Go get your answer in your heart and your mind,
come back to me and tell me what you find out
about what you can develop.
And that is my ultimate secret power
for anything good and wholesome that I do have in my life.
I know it's in direct correlation to my willingness
and ability to go to God about it
and surrender my will to him.
And many times I don't.
I'm like, we have to recognize,
we're just humans in the process,
we're sinners, we're saints, we're all things.
And whatever we gravitate towards,
that's also another big factor.
I really do believe in manifestation a lot.
And to the extreme degree that asking ye shall receive.
It gets written in word in the Bible.
What I see people falling into though
with these manifestation coaches,
is they don't realize oftentimes
that if you're controlling what you want to have manifested,
if you're demanding that of the universe, oh, watch out.
If you think you know what's best for you,
I will pray for you.
I used to be that guy too.
Oh yeah, before I came to Christ,
I read a Mark Batterson book called The Circle Maker.
And I remember sitting in my family room,
because in the book, it's like,
draw a circle around what you want.
Now, here's the other side of that is,
yes, the Bible does say that,
ask, seek, knock within God's will.
Let's just be clear, right?
I'm saying that because I don't believe in,
people send me hate mail.
I don't believe in law of attraction, all those things.
If I'm asking for something that is in God's will,
then I can be assured that He will show me
the way to that, right?
But the problem is-
Here's what I would challenge on that though.
I'll give a scripture for it.
I give a scripture for it.
And this would be Moses, right?
Here's Moses following God's will.
And in this world, we tend to be the,
he who should not be named, no, Satan's real.
We have an adversary in the picture.
Oh, 100%, yes.
Here's Moses asking God to help Pharaoh
understand the value of freeing the people.
And he did these miracles, right?
To help Pharaoh catch it.
And Pharaoh would catch it,
but Pharaoh also had other business consultants.
I mean, priests.
He had other people teaching him,
hey, wait a second, we can do that too.
And then they were able to manifest
because they were able to ask and they received,
but what power did they receive their answer from?
The opposite power.
So we've got Hitler as well, who led with absolute hate,
right, and hatred for others.
I think so.
So my job to judge him,
but I think most of us are in agreement on that.
And you've got the virtue, which is the mirror opposite,
right?
I can lead with love or I can lead with hate.
Sometimes I'm guilty of leading with an essence of hate.
I lose my cool.
I get angry, you know?
And on the flip side,
if I can learn to gravitate more towards the virtue
that mirrors the vice,
the types of results that I get,
I will sleep better.
And I like sleep.
So that would be my juxtaposition.
I do, so I very much believe in the law of attraction.
And, but at the same time,
I'm still curious about your lack of belief in it
or what you mean by that.
Not to call you out and say you're wrong.
I'm excited.
I'm like, teach me.
Here's why, because we as humans have a name it
and claim it mentality.
So to go back to your example about Moses,
God told Moses, like,
you're gonna tell these things to Pharaoh,
but I, God, am gonna harden his heart
and he's gonna say no.
And we're gonna have all these plagues
and he's gonna get it for a second,
but then he's still gonna say no.
Why?
Because-
One second, that translation in English
is different in other languages though.
So in other languages,
it doesn't say that God hardened Pharaoh's heart.
It says that Pharaoh hardened his heart against God.
So a lot of, it's hard because we've got language barriers.
We think English is the dominant language of society.
It's a new language that we are all practicing
and still very much evolving.
Hello, fresh, gay, all sorts of different words
that are totally different meanings than they used to be.
And I think it's very important because I also don't believe
in a God that controls us.
I believe in a God that gave us agency
and the ability to choose.
And so it's interesting when you come across that.
And then the Bible has Judas,
Judas in one story threw himself off a cliff
and another story he hung himself.
I think he could only kill himself one way.
One way, yeah.
And so I don't mean to say the Bible is wrong
as much as language and context.
It changes the way that we perceive how it's,
and that's, by the way, I'm way behind in my studies.
I started Old Testament, I got to Exodus
and I fell off the bandwagon.
I saw a lot of it.
It's hard to read, right?
It's all the animals and the blood and all the things.
I think my point here is, God wanted the,
he wanted the Israelites to understand
that it was him who freed them,
that he is the one that freed them.
And so what I believe that we have,
my husband was just watching Cool Hand look this weekend.
I believe we have a failure to communicate.
What I believe is that we wanna name it and claim it.
And you made a really good point that like,
there are principalities, right?
That are the opposite of God.
And we wanna believe that we're the ones fully in control.
So if I name it, if I ask, well, then I'm gonna get it.
And back to my circle maker situation,
I was kneeling down in my family room,
drawn with my finger, drawn a circle like,
Lord, you are gonna make me a national vice president.
Like I am circling this in prayer.
That was not his plan.
In fact, his plan was years later for me to
set that business down and go this direction
that I'm going now.
So if, for me, if I'm asking for that
and trying to manifest it with law of attraction,
like he didn't give that to me.
Why?
Because that wasn't his plan.
That wasn't his plan.
And I know that I'm speaking to people
who don't believe.
I love it.
And that's okay.
That's okay.
And I'm not here to tell you what to believe,
which no, of course not.
That also is different from some Christians, right?
But for me, I love what you said,
have you prayed about it or have you thought about it?
I think we don't do a good job sometimes as visionaries.
We think we always have to be on.
And we have got to take time to rest,
to allow our minds to refresh,
to spend some time like daydreaming and writing.
And for me, I make every Monday as my CEO day.
There are no meetings.
There is no work that I have to do.
It is me, like, yes, I'm writing or I'm planning.
We've got to give ourselves space for that.
We're not always good for that
because the world says that to be successful,
you have to always be going.
Yeah.
Right.
And I did this YouTube video the other day
on four dimensional perspectives.
One D perspective, right?
My view, two D, my view and your view.
And three D, being able to see across time and space.
Anyway, it goes pretty deep.
But if I want to make this mouse levitate, right?
And my law of attraction is I can make that happen.
When I think of our God,
who I believe is our heavenly father, right?
I believe he loves us unconditionally.
He knows, you may have wanted that circle at the time,
but when I look at my own daughter
and I think about her desires,
and if she wants cake,
and she wants that piece of cake now,
but she also wants to celebrate her birthday.
Part of her desires deep within,
even if she thinks she wants that cake right now,
is to also wait for the celebration and the whole key.
So I think heavenly father knows us, knows you,
even better than you do, knows me even better than I do.
And just like that experience
where that affirmation came out in your life,
where you realized, oh man, I don't want to be a part of this.
You would have had that within you.
You didn't recognize it at the time, but you did have it.
And I think that's the beauty of a perfect creator
and a perfect father,
is even if we think we want to manifest something right now,
think of a kid, I'm like, sister, I hate you,
I wish I would die.
No, he knows, we're just mad.
We're just angry, there's layers to that.
But this has been such a fun conversation for me, thank you,
because it allows me to learn how to explore
diverse concepts with other leaders.
And I'm hoping to,
that the visionaries who listen in this conversation
begin to realize they have the opportunity
to do the same thing with their teams,
whether they work with us or not.
It's a rewarding experience
to be able to come to the table with two different paradigms
and then just go on a walk, go kneel down and pray about it.
We're talking about it with God too.
And I'll just say that vocal affirmation prayer,
if you will, out loud, which is,
Erin Harrigan, I am so grateful to have met you,
sister of God.
And like, wow, what an amazing experience this has been.
Thank you for making the space to dive into this.
Visionaries who are in, listening to this,
there's a landing page where you'll be able to see
the action steps you can take with Erin,
we'll organize those as best as possible.
You can of course reach out to her anytime.
You have comments and it's faster,
it's easier to just drop a comment and ask a question,
feel free to do so.
If you know, if you're thinking of somebody
throughout this conversation, you're like, man,
I wish this person had heard this, just tag them.
You know, if you're thinking of like, man,
this person might really appreciate, just tag them.
And so, we've given the chance to hear what we talked about.
That's you going about God's work in ways that often,
we don't give ourselves credit for,
but it's those little acts of kindness
that build the divine kingdom.
So Erin, do you have any final thoughts before we wrap up?
Well, I wanna thank you, Jackson,
for having this space, right?
And having these conversations, it's refreshing.
And there are so many people out there
that are looking for a space
where these kinds of conversations take place.
Because as I said earlier,
being an entrepreneur can be so lonely.
And we have to be discerning
about where we're spending our time.
So thank you for making space.
Thank you for such a deep and enriching conversation today
and for the opportunity to be here,
to pour into your audience and to let them know, right?
Like they are of value.
And there are people who absolutely need what they have
and not to be afraid to step boldly
into serving that audience.
And you know what?
Screw up a little bit, right?
Like fail forward.
I mean, we have to do that.
It's the only way we learn.
And the day that we stop learning
is kind of the day that we stop loving.
And we can't do that.
The world needs what we have.
So I encourage them to forge forward,
but take some rest because God can do more
with our faithful rest than we can do with our work.
That's right.
And he speaks to us while we rest.
So if I could rename this episode,
it would be Christian Business Coach, Aaron Harrigan,
emulating clarity, serenity and fulfillment.
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