So, when a person, oh, that's good, that's good.
We're gonna go ahead and take a quick look at this.
So, there's actually a directory of service providers
included in the Healing Institute.
So, good.
We'll make sure to talk more about who's involved
and how they're involved and how others can also
get involved in the process.
So, we're live. Perfect, thank you.
All right, so, Pramila, we've,
before we dive in, the official interview,
I'd love to know what three books or resources
do you recommend for other visionaries?
Well, one of my main books that I just love
is called Power Versus Force
by Dr. David R. Hawkins.
And one of the reasons that I love to refer to that book
is because he created a map of consciousness.
And having studied vibrational healing
and vibrational energy, I love that map of consciousness.
So, that's one of the books I recommend.
The other one is, another one is Dr. Bruce Lipton,
The Biology of Belief.
We're kind of taught that whatever we grow up
with those beliefs are the beliefs that we can have
for the rest of our lives, but that in fact is not true.
And if you believe something, it's part of who you are.
So, obviously, it's gonna come true,
but you can adjust those beliefs as well.
Or you can incorporate new beliefs too.
And I do have a session that I also teach about
realigning your beliefs.
Sometimes we get to an adult age
and we realize those beliefs that we grew up with
actually don't work for us anymore.
And my third book is a Marianne Williamson,
Tears to Triumph.
So, I love Marianne Williamson.
She's an absolutely inspirational person.
I follow her.
She's a Course in Miracles student
and has done lots of lectures on a Course in Miracles.
And I'm a Course in Miracles student.
I love it.
I love the poetic nature as well
of the titles of all three of those books.
All three books I have not heard of either.
And I'm excited to have them on my list now
because they all three have,
I can sense and feel the profound power behind the three.
Power versus force is something
that I do a lot of training on with cell seams.
And so I didn't know there was a book that was called that.
That provides new validation to my theories.
So, I love it.
Awesome.
Well, we'll bring you back on stage in just a minute,
introduce you properly to the world
and we'll pick up quite soon.
All right.
Welcome in to Vision Pros Live.
With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host.
We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs
and guest leaders who are building
fantastic visions out there.
Hey, what's up Vision Pros?
Welcome in to another episode of Vision Pros Live.
I'm your show host, Jackson Calame,
founder and CEO of First Class Business.
And I'm excited to have Pramalia Paramon today.
We're gonna be talking about healing
and an international wellness community
that she's building with that intent exactly
to help people heal from the challenges
that they're facing.
And I'm excited to have Pramalia Paramon today.
Jason is gonna be our host today.
And we're gonna be talking about
and New York City challenges that they face.
And those challenges could be things
that you're suffering deeply within
and haven't really addressed
and you need a safe space to do so,
or they could be surface level right now.
It could be a process of grief
that you're going through.
Well, we'll explore the different aspects
of what types of elements we need to hear from
as entrepreneurs.
back and for a couple reasons been on my mind, but he talked about how all entrepreneurs have been
through a ton of trauma. And the trauma is what leads people to unlock and uncover their greatness.
And with that, again, sometimes there's a there's a space to surface that in and to deal with it and
to reach new heights. On other occasions, it might be safest to hang on to it for a little while and
gravitate towards who makes the most sense to talk to. So we'll talk about that and debate that a
little bit, too, on the show today. Before I bring Pramila on and I continue to talk about what she's
building, that what she's building with the Healing Institute, I always want to give a shout out to
these sponsors that are resources that I recommend taking a look at. Both sponsors today are sponsors
we've had on the show. The first being Sean LeChuga of The Wellness Shop 365 and his approach to
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the traditional fitness and supplements and diet style planning or nutrition, I guess, is a better
word for it. But their genuine belief and foundation of holistic wellness really caught my attention.
I'd highly recommend checking out his and Julien's episode. And there's Melissa Gray with The Lost
Spot. Now, Melissa was somebody I was hesitant to put on the show because I'm not a big fan of most
attorneys and how in their face they can be, how condescending they can be too. And here I found
somebody who's a nurturer who understands that law doesn't have to be complicated. And she really
understands the value of being there for people, understanding her clients. It was a joy to host
her on the show. And she's since become a client as well of first class business. And seeing her
want to bridge the gap between the resources that are free and out there such as LegalZoom and
Crocodoc and the expensive attorney retainers and maybe falling into a relationship with a counselor
or somebody for legal counsel who doesn't necessarily have the time to properly care about
your business, there's a happy medium in between those two elements. And so as you continue your
journey as a visionary and you look for who's going to support you from a legal standpoint,
rather than leaving yourself susceptible to potential challenges that could come up,
it could be a very good idea to get ahead of that. And if you haven't interviewed legal counsel
individuals, consider doing so in the coming weeks and consider Melissa Gray as part of that
opportunity. Then lastly, before we bring Parmelia on, we're going to talk about the water project.
The water project is my go-to source of giving back because there's millions of people in this
world who don't have access to clean drinking water. And I don't ever want to forget that.
I don't want to ever forget the fact that I can take certain natural resources for granted. I
choose to remember that others don't have these and therefore it's my responsibility and opportunity
to help people understand there's a way to give back, there's a way to help, even though we can't
go over there ourselves every day and necessarily dig the wells ourselves for everyone. So the water
project, they actually facilitate the process of helping these communities based on the elements,
the resources they have available. They teach the communities and help them create the resource. And
you get to see how many people you're going to help, how many people are going to be affected
by this project, what type of project they're going to do. And they will give you social media
updates. They will let you know when your project comes to fruition. You get to see the impact you're
going to have and providing a long-term source of water to individuals creates a generational impact
that can affect not just a few hundred people that are affected by the project, but their
posterity as well is going to benefit tremendously from the efforts that you've done to give. So if
you have another cause that you'd rather see us talk about and help with, don't hesitate to drop
that cause in the comments. It's not really a competition. I believe very much in the law
of abundance and we have the opportunity to give more and more based on the resources that we're
able to acquire. And there's 8 billion people in this world that we need to help. So if you know
of a cause that you'd like to see us promote, don't hesitate to drop it in the comments. We might
actually put it on the show as well. You never know. And if you could, even if you can't give
back to the water project right now, if you can share the water project with others so that others
could potentially contribute, you never know what type of impact your voice will have on others until
you give yourself a shot and see who might be able to help. So without further ado,
Pramiliya Parham, and I've got to ask her to pronounce you just like my last, I can't even
pronounce my last name sometimes. I got to bring her on and find out exactly how she pronounces
her last name, but she's coming onto our stage to talk about the Healing Institute. And I'd
encourage everybody who's listening as well to go check out her page on LinkedIn and see her
background, see where she comes from. And it's amazing what you can learn about somebody when
you look at where they studied, when you look at their past experiences as well and what's led them
to launch and build the visions that they're up to. So without further ado, I'll bring Pramiliya
on stage and we'll go from there. Welcome to Vision Pros Live, Pramiliya. Oh, thank you so much,
Jackson. I am delighted and excited to be here today. And you're pronouncing my name perfectly.
It's Pramiliya Parham. Well, thank you. I know we reviewed this at least three times. And I had a
couple of pre-show guests today whose names I just could not get right. I think it's kind of like
remove my confidence on name pronunciation today. So thank you for your grace. Well, with that said,
I do want to make sure that we honor your background as well. And one of the best ways we
can do that is find out from your perspective, what elements of your background are going to be most
helpful for the visionaries listening in to truly understand? Because you've got at least a decade
of wisdom under your belt. So let's go ahead and hear your perspective. What drove you to start
the Healing Institute? And what was your path like to begin this vision? Well, similarly to what you
mentioned earlier, where a lot of entrepreneurs have gone through their own trauma and their own
passage, healing passage. And 20 plus years ago, I was not in a very happy place. And I'm a very
happy person. So I was starting to do some studying myself around energy, vibrational energy,
vibrational healing, emotional healing. And it's my teacher who was very, very blessed to meet just
at the right time when I needed her. She actually predicted that I was going to be turning what I
was learning into a business. At the time, I had no clue that that was that was going to happen.
So, you know, fast forward a few years, and because I was now in a happier place, that is what was
coming out of me. And so some of my co workers that I was working with at the time wondered what
was going on with me because I was always happy. And I was able to look at, you know, any kind of
challenging incident that came up. And so I started to explain to them about how I was doing
my chakra balancing and my energy balancing and grounding exercises. They kind of looked at me odd,
but they were interested to learn how to do that. So I, my teacher's prediction came true, I
literally started teaching out of my house. And then, and that's how my first company vibrational
healing was launched. And then one of the reasons that I was so, I think, divinely blessed to
actually create the Healing Institute was because of a tragedy that happened in our family a number
of years ago in that my mother passed away at a very young age due to complications with her
kidneys because of the medication she'd been on for a very long time. And I really don't want
anyone to have to go through that. I really want the reason I called the Healing Institute is an
Institute is because I'm very, very passionate about educating people around how to be well and
how to stay well on our health journey. And we're all on a health journey. So that is why I really
really the impetus to create the Healing Institute was came from yes, tragedy and trauma. But we are
moving forward into holistic health and wellness and providing a vehicle for people to come to the
Institute, connect with those amazing practitioners that we have and connect with them and their
modalities. Absolutely. So you mentioned perhaps two different challenges, two different tragedies,
or was it one of the same? You said 20 years ago, you found yourself in a situation where you were
not in a happy place. Is that tied to the loss of your mother or was there something else that was
that was? It wasn't tied to the loss of my mother because that had happened a few years before that.
I was in a relationship that wasn't very supportive as to who I was. And I just knew that I had to go
inside. I wasn't going to find the happiness on the outside and whatever. And if anybody had looked
at me back in those in that time, you know, I looked to be very successful. I had a lovely home.
I had, you know, a good career. But when you don't have that inner that inner joy, then it does it
it does change who not change who you are. But you really need to look at why. And I've always been
curious. I've always asked questions. I say often that's you know, what we did as children, what we
got into trouble for as children is our gift. So I was always too sensitive and always asked too
many questions as a child. And so of course, that has helped me incredibly now that I'm doing
healing work and wellness work. But yeah, so just happened that I was able to meet this woman who
I was able to meet this woman who gave me the language. You know, I think I always had intuition
that I didn't know the words for it. I was always very interested in people and always very,
very curious. So when something was not quite right with me, I started to educate myself as to
how how I could be happier. And, and that led me to where I am today.
That's awesome. We my my first wife and I am twice divorced. And our first marriage, we both learned a
lot about the having an Instagram family and having challenges as well. And the marriage
challenges of of identity and beliefs, etc. It's something that a lot of people go through. And,
and I think there's a lot of people in life who don't learn how to address it.
They don't learn how to how to move beyond it and find inner peace. So I'm certainly grateful for
your institute and what you do, because I'm a product of finding institutes like yours,
or therapists, counselors and saying, How can I how can I unlock, you know, minor happiness?
How can I unlock the feelings and have the business that I want and the life that I want
at the same time? I very much always been a you can have your cake and eat it to somebody
mess that that lineup that that staying up a long time ago and we're fixing it. Absolutely.
With we can move in now to thank you for sharing vulnerability about your background,
where you come from and how you came to find, you know, the path to happiness for yourself.
What's your vision for those that you serve? My vision is to make holistic ways of being well,
holistic modalities available to what I would call the general public. I don't know that we have,
we've had a model, we've had a medical model, both in the United States and Canada, and probably,
I'm in Canada. So in both in both our countries, as well as the rest of the world,
but the medical model is broken. And it doesn't work anymore. Agreed. So my vision is that
my vision is for who I serve both, I kind of have to two paths of service. One, of course,
is holistic practitioners to give them a vehicle like the Healing Institute, where they can be
available on a global on a global scale for for people who are looking for ways to be well and
stay well. And alternative the alternatives that we that we offer by these practitioners and the
and the work that they do, which is absolutely amazing. And we just really that's my vision is
is to heal. I have a I have a big vision. It's called heal the world. And that's why I set up
the Healing Institute as a virtual global hub and platform for for clients and for practitioners.
Love that. We appreciate big visions here. Vision pros is all about the big visions. So
you're welcome to share the vastness of it. And and for yourself,
familiar what's what's your personal vision? What do you see for yourself on the horizon?
Well, I have three children. I'm waiting to be a grandmother.
I'm rooting for you from a personal vision. That's my hope to make it happen.
Yes, bring the storks. And, you know, just I mean, I, I feel very fulfilled. I love the work that
I'm doing both with the Healing Institute and also the healing modalities that I that I have
offered my clients through my other company, vibrational healing. And I, I just want more for
us. I want I want us to be well. I want I really want to instill with people the possibility and
the capability of them not to be their illness. There's so many people I meet and their who they
are, their identity is wrapped up in how sick they are and how well they don't feel. And I want
to change that. I really want to switch that over. So, you know, we know that when you are feeling
at your very best, you give your very best and we certainly need a lot of us out in the world,
making the world a better place. And that's, that's my that's my vision, I would say.
Oh, that's cool. So the the healing factor leads us to be able to produce better results.
And therefore the byproduct is exponential, accordingly, because once we feel better,
we then have more capacity to do even more good. So well said. I mean, I, I experienced that as a
missionary in Uruguay, I got really sick. And I was down to 100. I'm six to I was down to 145 pounds.
You know, and I looked like a toothpick. And they were doing all sorts of studies on me
and a change in environment. Combined with saying, you know what, like, I'm it was just it was all
stress induced. I didn't realize it, you know, until I got there. I was like, forget this,
like, forget the diet, forget everything. We're going forward now that we've moved now that I
have a new companion. You know, I just there was a there was a flip, a mental switch that that
flipped in my head. And I was able to get back in tune with being healthy. And it did it made a
dramatic impact on my ability to to serve and do what I was called to do at the time of my life.
And I've seen the same thing happen after my back surgery, and having to go through the phases of
kind of grief and trauma associated with that. And if anybody's facing, you know, a point in life
right now where you don't feel like you can move or you feel stuck, or maybe you're misaligned with
your purpose, then this is absolutely a conversation worth listening on. Now, before we dive into that
further, I do want to find out from the experience, the leadership experience and background you have,
we're going to dive into the dark subject. What's the worst leadership experience that you've ever
had? I was thinking about this because that was, you know, part of the the pre interview. Yeah.
And what comes to mind, I worked in what we would call corporate Canada, I know you
refer to as corporate US. And I had a manager, it was a brand new position that I had,
I had studied for and I'd won the position. And it was a brand new position. And it was looking at
looking at more not just a single office, but a regional whole region of offices that needed to be.
There was a new a new project that was coming in, and I was hired to implement that project.
Now I'm not very tall, I'm like five feet zip. So we look funny together. Oh, we would. Yeah, very much.
I'd come up to maybe your shoulder, my husband's six feet tall, so I barely come up to his shoulder.
And so this manager that was part of the unit where I was working was like six foot five and big,
like really big. And he used to like to intimidate his staff. And it was a large staff. But he would
actually come and hover over your desk and yell at you. It was just awful. It was just awful.
I'm pretty feisty. Even though I'm short. I think probably learned to be feisty all these years.
And I didn't let him intimidate me. Good for you. I just stood up to him. And apparently that was
the right thing to do. So that was I would say that's my worst leadership experience that I've
ever had. Yeah, that's awful when when the right thing to do is the wrong thing to do, the environment
is usually not conducive to healthy living. So well, so okay, very good. I'm not very good at
kind of very good. And what did you do about it? Did you stick around there? Were you there for a
while? Or? Yeah, I was I was there for probably about a year. And one of the women that I worked
with at the time, she had actually had been a supervisor of mine. And in another department,
and she said, That's what you have to do. You have to stick up. You have to stick up to him.
Don't let him intimidate you because he was a bully, basically. And as soon as you show weakness
to a bully, you know what happens. So it gets worse. It gets worse. Yeah. And then I was very
luckily transferred to another department. I was very happy about that. Oh, same job, but a different
department. Right? Yeah, that's good. Okay. What about your best leadership experience? What's the
best leadership experience you've ever had? I would say I've had some amazing, amazing managers and
supervisors in my corporate career. One particular manager that I had really just I think he could see
the strengths that I had. And he kind of just let me do my own thing. I you know, I'd have to go to
him for certain things if I really thought I needed his permission. But I had a whole unit
of like 30 plus people. And it's really hard to supervise 30 plus people. So I ended up dividing
the unit into segments. And I was actually assigned someone who was fairly senior in each one of the
areas to kind of overlook what was going on in that area. And then they reported to me. And my
manager let me do that. And he also let me hire this was back in the day when part time work was
not the thing you either worked full time or you didn't work at all. And he let me hire staff
part time, a couple of staff who were on you know, had brand new children, new babies and didn't want
to work full time. And so he let me hire them to work two and three days a week, which as I said,
that is was unknown back in those days. And honestly, I have to say, there was more work
that those those women did in those two days than some of the other people in the unit did in five
days. Yeah, I would say that's my best leadership experience. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. And that's,
it's amazing how that how that happens. You know, especially in corporate environments where
the status quo is often simply maintained, depending on the culture, of course. But that
is one of those unique challenges that that is faced. I had a friend who was working at 3M.
Most people don't even know a company that is like you get like packages of tape and all sorts of
stuff at Walmart, almost all of it's made by 3M. Our Post-it Notes are made by 3M. Those two,
exactly. They make a ton of products. And he wanted so badly to be able to go home to be with
his family. You know, during he wasted so much time at work because the work culture was now
built around the time that employees take on Facebook, the time that they take breaks kind
of chit chatting together. They have like beer pong, you know, as part of the culture that might
not have been in his case, but they had different office breaks and team culture activities and all
that. And he was able to get all of his work done within a matter of three hours. And, you know,
I remember my my immaturity, I didn't do the corporate thing. So I was like, dude, why don't
you just like, like, I don't know, get promoted or like, like seek like a higher position or tell
him you're going home. And he explained to me the in diplomatic fashion, how if he worked, if he did
more work than everybody else, it makes everybody else look bad. And then he becomes a problem in
the office environment. And if he asked to go home, then he also reveals that people, you know,
aren't actually doing the full amount of work. It's proof that they're not working up to commit.
Yeah, so I was like, oh, my gosh, I was like, that's a horrible problem. I was like, and I've
been an entrepreneur since I was 21. I don't have that mentality. You know, I'm like, this is so wow,
I wonder why I hate the idea of corporate so much. I couldn't I couldn't do that. Now granted, there
are people who strive to make positive changes, our corporations that do have productivity as,
as a part of their job opportunities. But if you find yourself, you know, visionaries, if some of
you are part time, or you are part of a corporate culture, and you also don't align with the way
that the culture is ran, this is one of the best times on earth to be considering career changes,
it's so easy to get new interviews and to potentially find new opportunities. And maybe
it's that time to shift to start your own business as well. So go ahead, do you have a final thought
on that before we move on to the powerful lesson? Yeah, thank you. You know, I also also was able
with that unit of 30 people, some of course didn't work as up to capacity. And some, as I mentioned,
worked even harder on and over capacity. So I was really with the only time I was able to
really say thank you to the ones that I knew were really working to their full potential,
was at evaluation time, which was really just only once a year, when you actually have to write up
an evaluation for them. And so I would just it would be glowing, because that was me saying thank
you to doing your job. And, and oftentimes, that was the only way other than maybe I'm just I was
just thinking about this the other day. Once a month, we would go out for lunch, because we'd
sort of celebrate everybody's birthday that had had a birthday that month. And oftentimes, it would
be a Friday. And, you know, you have your hour of lunch. And really, it's Friday afternoon, nobody
really wants to go back to the office. And I would just tell them to stay there. I'd say stay for the
rest of the afternoon, I'll go back to the office, I was the supervisor, I'll go back to the office,
I'll answer the phone, I'll make sure everything's running, you guys have got another, you know,
an out, however long you want to stay, you can stay. Because really, that was my way of saying
thank you. Thank you for doing such a great job. That's rewarding. And many different ways that's
rewarding. So, Pramili, if this is the last chance you had ever to share a powerful lesson that other
visionaries can learn from your experience, what would the lesson be? Be curious. Ask questions.
Always want to know more than what you might know right now. It's really pretty amazing at what you
will find out when you're curious and you ask questions. That has just been, as I mentioned
earlier, kind of the way I've been since a very small child. And I really truly believe
knowledge and information, as much as we can get, that will help us on our journey. Of course,
we know there's lots of knowledge and information out there that might not be helpful, but that's
okay. You can choose what is helpful. And I would just say, you know, really,
just learn. Learn what you can. Absorb what you can. Take it to heart. Make sure that what you're
learning and what you're reading is really your purpose and it's in your heart space. And if it's
not, then don't go there. Absolutely. I love that. We share that trait. I didn't know it was a
learning trait until I took StrengthsFinder 2.0 when I was 21 or 22. And my result came back that
my number one strength was learner. And that was surprising because I had a.33 GPA in college. I
didn't do well in the university environment. So I had lots of questions about myself and my ability
to learn. And, you know, I knew I was intelligent, but I didn't quite know to what capacity I was
and that learning quiz came back and said you were that child who always asked why and asked a ton of
questions. Where did you come to hone in on realizing that you were the type of child that
asked questions? Did people just tell you you ask a lot of questions or did you discover that later on?
Well, my family always were, oh, you ask so many questions. Why do you ask so many questions?
So I think it was mainly because they didn't know how to answer my questions.
You know, I very much like you, I did not do well in school. But, you know, when I went to school,
maybe when you went to school, learning styles and how people learned was not part of the
educational system. So you were just taught, wrote, memorized. I was not good at memorizing.
So it wasn't until I was actually had left my corporate job and I was starting to be an
entrepreneur when I realized the language around being an entrepreneur. I actually did that. I've
done that my whole life. I just didn't know it. I didn't have the language for it. So that was
that was my aha moment. Finally, I think I think I'm in the right spot.
Yes, I think it's so interesting that there's generational gaps. There's cultural gaps as well.
Those who have parents, those who don't, there's so many opportunities for us to explore.
How do we get people, you know, on the same page fast enough to make impact, you know,
with different individuals in different ways? And I remember my math teacher in sixth grade
in sixth grade introducing the ideas of different language learning concepts.
And I remember her teaching us about, you know, learning through reading, learning through writing,
learning through audio, learning through visual. You know, she walked through those.
You know, I'm sure I knew which one I gravitate. I think I graduated gravitate towards visual.
But I told myself then I was like, I'm just gonna learn them all. You know, that'll make it easy.
And so I didn't actually I was I was really good in school, but that became my crocs later,
was I would get very bored in subjects. And if I didn't feel I needed to know it,
I would do it. You know, you couldn't get me to. So you've got this international wellness
community for healing that you're building. I want to learn more about it. I'd love for you
to tell us about it. I'll cue Cynthia to to pull up on the screen. The incubation process, it's
it you consider it an alpha mode and beta mode. Do you consider it full scale right now? You know,
what are you doing with it? Well, we did a beta phase last year, right after we launched the
launched the the website, the website was actually went went live about this time last year.
And then I did a beta phase with 30 practitioners, I had some helping me do all the testing that
needed to be done. And so I guess we're certainly not launched or we're launched when it comes to
the website. Of course, it's up and running. But maybe what was the second one, the elf,
the alpha, where we're in the growth process now. So normally, and this is not this is
JK Rowling wrote a book on a napkin and became a billionaire. So take strategy for what it is,
right? You know, it's it's not guaranteed success. But typically, there's the alpha phase,
then there's the beta phase. Right. So alpha is usually pre beta launch. Okay. And again,
there's all sorts of structures behind it and scrum and agile and waterfall and blah, blah,
blah, like talking about operational stuff that has driven 96% of businesses to fail over 10 years.
So you know, how much is it really worth worrying about? Tomato, tomato, right? I like to eat it.
I don't care what you call it. So with your with your business and brand, there's always going to
be opportunities for growth and improvement. But I just want to know kind of where it's at,
who's getting involved? What's what's the path ahead? What can people expect to get out of the
Institute right now? Well, presently, we have 10 practitioners representing six countries. My vision,
of course, is to grow that to 12 plus countries over 200 plus practitioners, here's some of the
practitioners, this is great. And so what people can can do right now is they can come to the
Healing Institute, there are five different categories that I created. Under each one of
the categories are the modalities, which is a link. So when you click on the link, whatever that
modality might be, whether it's breathwork, or whether it's counseling, yes, there are therapies,
all of those, those five different categories, under each one of those categories is the link
to the practitioners. So those are the modalities. Let's play with one of them. Let's play with one
of them. Which one? Yeah, let's go to coaching. I usually use coaching as my example. And then go
to the wellness, well being it's on the bottom of the left column. Perfect. Yeah. So we have two
practitioners that call themselves wellness, well being coaches. Gina is in South Africa, for example,
and Marie is in Portland, Oregon. And so the way I designed the website was mainly for clients to
self identify what they're looking for. And so you can click on their get to know more button,
and that will pop up there. Their full profile. And then as you scroll down, you can book with them.
And the book now button, then the modalities are described what they are, the book now button takes
you then to a page that you can book with them, either the complimentary service, everybody has a
complimentary consultation of some kind, because as we know, in the health and wellness area, a lot
of people are searching and they don't, they may not know exactly what they want. So they can
definitely do that. And then once you, you, you as a client, decide that that's what you want to do,
what, who you want to work with, then there's a book, there's a, the book button takes you to
their calendar. And then there's a payment button that will take you to pay for the session. Of
course, the complimentary sessions are complimentary. Yeah. And that will, that you get to have a chat
with the practitioner and, and decide most of the practitioners have more than one modality. So you
have to have a conversation to find out what is going to be the best fit. Nice. So it looks like
you were somewhat on the heels of better help. The, the program that connects somebody quickly
to a therapist. However, there's also more filtering involved with different types of
wellness and healing and help that one's able to get access to. Is that fair to say?
Yes, absolutely. I love that. And there is, there's a lot of room for streamlining and curating this. I
I worked, I helped a therapist build her website years ago. It was an awful experience, by the way.
And, and, and despite the reality that as marketers, we get blamed for almost everything
that the business owner does wrong. It's, it's always the marketer's fault. But the, the real
challenge that we came across was we were talking about unique selling proposition and her unique
selling proposition was I changed lives. And, you know, I love that that's what she does for people.
And I asked her, how many other therapists in Austin, Texas, do you think also feel their
unique selling proposition is that they change lives? And she, I don't think I've seen a lady
more petrified in my life. As she addressed the reality that her unique selling proposition wasn't
unique at all. It was what every single person in her field claims, you know, and wants to do.
And so the, the challenge as providers of healing that we often face as well, and this is again,
the rest of you who are holistic professionals, it's not a bad idea to align with a better help.
It's not a bad idea to align with a healing Institute where people do have options because
of the market at large. They do want options. They want to know what makes you unique. They want to
know what accolades you may have. They want to belong to a greater community as well. And so the
fact that you're building it, it's audacious. It's a huge vision and plan. I love that. And I 100%
hope that you continue to build and build and make this amazing because there's, there's so much room
for more institutes. If we can have more than 2000 universities and still need more,
we could absolutely have more than one better help. Absolutely. We have plenty of room for
institutes that are building what it is you're after. So are there any other elements of the
vision that you'd like to share? Well, we are a wellness, an inter, I call it, I think our
subtitle is an international wellness community. And so we are looking at, we, we see ourselves
as a community. So a community of holistic practitioners, a community of clients. And so
when clients come to the Healy Institute, whatever modality they may choose or pick or complimentary
consultation, they might start it once they are in our community, we are going to look after them.
So it's, it's perfect for clients because it's almost one stop shopping. So just because they
came, let's say they decided to come and, and try out body code, emotion code work, which is what I
do. But if I know, and I can see even with our complimentary session, there's, you know, the Marie
who does this amazing, she's an amazing breath facilitator, conscious breathing facilitator,
or another lady who, who, and Gina, who also we saw today, she does a bio energetic feedback.
So we are, we actually, as practitioners in our wellness community, refer clients back and forth.
So we're not hanging onto them just because they knocked on our door. First, we're looking at the,
what I call the whole person client. So it's looking at everything that the client needs.
Absolutely fixing that and helping fulfill that.
That's, that's really neat. There's a, you know, as, as small business champions, especially as a
Texan, you know, we, we tend to really gravitate towards small business. Sometimes we forget the
value of the services that are regulated, you know, that we, that we take for granted and we think
big business is bad. That's not necessarily true. You know, yes, I do like my hole in the wall
restaurants and I'll go to them. And there's a sense of certainty and comfort where I'm taking my
kids to Chick-fil-A, you know, I know exactly what I'm going to get. I know exactly what their
experience is going to be like. And if I have anything less than your typical Chick-fil-A experience,
I've got a parent company that I can gravitate towards and say, Hey, this isn't right. You know,
we didn't, we didn't have the experience that we want or that we anticipated based on all of our
other experiences. And they are the type of entity that will take care of you and that cares about
that and it cares about their customers. So there's, there are opportunities for more stability,
more security, better service in the environment of, of, of layers of communities, right? And that
looks to be what the Haley Institute is, is ultimately going to be involved with providing.
So, well, we, we wish you the best as you continue to develop the vision. We'll be excited to check
in on it every once in a while and see how things are going. And of course our, our network is your
network and the same reality. Anybody who's listening in, if you have desires to reconnect
with Pramalia, of course we'll have the links and the show notes on the landing page. So you can
connect with her at the links that we provide there. Also, if you have a question or comment,
you just want to drop it right now in the comment box. We'll make sure to respond to those after the
fact as well. And if you have a vision that you'd like to share, if you've got something that you're
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It doesn't matter if your vision's in the beginning or if your vision is, you know,
Bill Gates, come and join us, man. Michael Jordan, come jump on our show. We'd love to have you.
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