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including the medical care of the future.

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The medical care of the future.

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to be for your MRI technology.

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Did they build it specifically for you guys?

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You guys are the founders of the city.

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I mean, we heard about it, and we're like, oh, it sounds amazing.

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in big letters, it's written, we imagine the future of health.

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It's pretty amazing to be in that type of environment.

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Man, I can't wait to dive in and talk about how y'all are

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using the MRI system for diagnosing diseases.

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This is, I mean, it sounds revolutionary.

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So we'll get to that.

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Before we do, though, for the visionaries

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who are listening in, what are three books that you recommend

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or three resources you recommend to help visionaries

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along their path?

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Well, I was really inspired by the book by Justin Brin,

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Epic Life.

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One of the books that actually, so I co-founded the company

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with my husband, but I kind of struggled

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with imposter syndrome for a few years.

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scientific based, and I'm an immigration attorney

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and it took me a while to understand

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what I had to bring as a value.

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I did my co-bitex.

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I understood that I was really entrepreneurial at heart.

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They're a poor couple, and that really

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inspired me to join my husband full time in Imaginistic.

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Another book that I read, it was a long time ago,

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but The Greet by Angela Dukworth.

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It's really about people, how they're inspired,

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entrepreneurial.

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They're going to go for success, never stop.

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I've read this book a couple of years ago,

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but I was already a lawyer entrepreneur a few years ago.

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to succeed, to persevere, and never stop.

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I want to share as a resource is I Am Driven.

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We did the podcast together, Cody and I.

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a personal test that measure your strengths

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and other weaknesses, but really helps

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you to understand yourself.

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I encourage everyone to take the test.

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It's a free test, and it really helps you to discover yourself.

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And it was really interesting to see

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that Cody and I have so different personalities.

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they qualified Cody as a unicorn.

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like the typical entrepreneur.

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But yes, that's definitely a resource I want to share.

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And I think Cody has some as well.

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Yeah, I don't know if it's for everybody in terms of startup,

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subject, but I think it's for everybody in terms

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of today's world.

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So Life Force by Tony Robbins and Peter Diamandis

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That book really helped to give me a perspective

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when it came out.

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I think I was a little bit more pessimistic about health care

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before I read that.

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by Peter Diamandis, too.

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to help us understand how fast things really are moving.

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Those are fantastic resources.

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it's awesome that we got to kind of double down on that.

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Really happy to hear that his book had that level of impact

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on you, Valerie.

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So without further ado, we'll head to the intro,

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and then we'll pick back up with your story and your vision

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right after the intro.

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All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live.

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With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host.

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We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs

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and guest leaders who are building

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fantastic visions out there.

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Hey, what's up, Vision Pros?

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Welcome in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO

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of First Class Business.

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And I'm really excited to have Dr. Cody and Valerie Gharagouzloo

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on the show today.

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Now, I wish at this point in time, I have never been more

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embarrassed to not speak French.

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I mean, my last name for crying out loud.

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We say Callum, but it's actually Calame.

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It's a Swiss-French pronunciation.

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but Gharagouzloo.

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They are an awesome dynamic duo couple

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that have all sorts of accolades and have created

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a new style of MRI imaging that can diagnose disease,

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detect disease, rather.

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of the actual science of that.

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I'm going to do my best to honor the amazing technology

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that they have and the amazing couple that they are.

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Before we bring them on stage, I always

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want to give a shout out to individuals

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in the form of sponsors that we promote and work with

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and really enjoy knowing.

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So we'll start with Sean LeChuga of the Wellness Shop 365.

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Sean and Julianne are both their health and wellness,

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integrative nutrition, coaches and consultants.

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was that they have this 365 wheel of life assessment that

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goes deeper than anything I've seen in terms of health care

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providers, somebody who might help

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you find your optimal health.

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They're asking about joy, spirituality, creativity,

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your career, obviously your health, your home cooking.

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your social life, what you're doing to volunteer,

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the depth of what they want to build with this wheel of life

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and the way they take care of people

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and show up for you as an individual,

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it really struck me as I got to know them over the last six

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or seven months.

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It's just been a joy to get to know their family

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and see how well they practice this in their own life.

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You wouldn't be in bad hands.

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You'd be in great hands if you contacted them,

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got to know them.

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with your health goals.

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Then there is Melissa Gray with The Law Spot.

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a lawyer onto the show.

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Most lawyers that I know are a little bit too overworked.

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Melissa is a nurturer and she knows that law

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doesn't have to be complicated.

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She built the lawspot.com in order

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to help entrepreneurs and business owners,

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specifically small and medium entrepreneurs, bridge the gap,

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have legal counsel to represent them without actually being

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sucked into the super high retainers

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and knowing that the streamlined versions of Crocodoc

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or LegalZoom just aren't adequate enough when you're

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going to actually need representation at some point

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in the future for your brand.

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or doom and gloom approach to business.

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and you've seen the amount of realities that can come up

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to come after your brand or to set back your trademarking

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yep, I've been there.

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It would be important to have somebody on hand.

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You wouldn't be a wise steward if you did not

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have somebody on hand.

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several individuals for your potential legal counsel.

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because I've never talked to an attorney who's

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made me more comfortable and made me feel more like I can

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really understand how to protect myself legally.

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Then there's the water project.

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like the water project.

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I don't see anything derailing it yet,

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don't hesitate to drop that in the comments

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opportunities like this, sometimes we

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inspire people to contribute.

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I get to walk to my kitchen and get water every single day.

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watching the podcast today, it looks

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like they're celebrating water with even more excitement

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than my own kids celebrate Christmas.

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like that and to know that we can have that type of impact

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by donating anywhere between $1 and $10 million.

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to have the capacity to help with such matters.

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where my brain went with this.

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developing a breakthrough longevity technology

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for precision medicine located in Lake Nona Medical City,

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Orlando, Florida.

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The company's QTEMRI, Q-U-T-E-C-E-M-R-I methodology

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that can noninvasively say vascular structure and function

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in high resolution anywhere in the body,

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providing clinicians and scientists new endpoints

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for early detection and enhanced characterization

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of complex diseases.

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Addressing the need for quantitative image biomarkers,

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there is a dearth of noninvasive diagnostic tools

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for the internal assessment of our body's physiology.

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modalities.

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of the current image biomarkers.

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measurements of relevant internal physiology.

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That may not be for me or you, but I'm

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going to be asking Cody and Valerie, who is this

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so important for?

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And which types of diseases does this

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help us get ahead of and cure?

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That way, again, if we have people in our network

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who could benefit from this, it might

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be a great idea to make sure that this technology succeeds

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or get it on their radar so they're ready and aware of what

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could help them in their situations.

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Dr. Cody Garaguslo is an MRI physicist

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that has been inventing and developing imaginostics

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proprietary MRI-based quantitative vascular imaging

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technology since 2011, running preclinical and clinical

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studies together with his wife Valerie.

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They created imaginostics to translate this technology

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from bench top to bedside.

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Cody developed the technology as a postdoctoral fellow

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for two years at the Gordon Center for Medical Imaging

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at Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical

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School before founding the company

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to translate the technology from bench to bedside.

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He invented the imaging modality while pursuing

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his PhD in bioengineering and has an extensive background

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in imaging and engineering, holding

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a master's of science degree in biophotonics

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and dual bachelor degrees in mechanical and nuclear

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engineering and physics.

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He enjoys bike riding, the gym, playing board games

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with his family.

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And in my opinion, he never sleeps, doing all that.

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Then there's Valerie, who's a New York attorney,

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her background is in international human rights law

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and US immigration law.

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She's an advocate for affordable medical care for all.

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Valerie's youngest brother grew up with only one kidney

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and a rare uncurable disease of the peripheral nervous system

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with unknown cause and symptoms, similar to diabetic neuropathy.

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Valerie and Cody have been married for 13 years.

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They have two beautiful children.

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In a role as COO, Valerie's outreaching

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to our first pharma clients to offer our services

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for accelerating drug development, especially

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for novel drugs that improve vascular biology.

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She's also reaching out to potential investors and partners

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to bring our breakthrough longevity technology to market.

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My apologies on the voice challenges today, my friends,

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but it is so important to get this message out there

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and let people know what's ahead.

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So Cody and Valerie, thank you so much for being here

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on Vision Pros Live today.

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We're honored to have you.

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Thank you so much.

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Yeah, we appreciate it.

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It's good to be here.

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Absolutely.

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So everybody, the long bio that I just went through

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and all the accolades, and you can go to Imaginostics,

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of course, you'll be able to access the page,

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the landing page, so you'll learn more

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about what they're up to.

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For now, we're going to dive in as much as possible

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into your vision, Cody and Valerie.

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So I'll give you the first question,

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and that's what's your vision for those

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that you serve directly?

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You want to start or shall I?

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I mean, I can get started.

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So really, what we really are after

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is really changing medical care.

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Right now, you see the doctor when

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you are sick to treat your symptoms.

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Of course, you need to identify the cause.

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But there are a lot of complex diseases that we can detect,

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but late in the game.

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What we are hoping is really with the development

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of how platform technology to be able to detect

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diseases like years or even decades in advance,

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so people see their doctor for preventative medical treatment.

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So really shifting from curative to preventative health care.

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That's what we are going after.

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Awesome.

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And so I'm going to ask this question, these questions

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actually, from two different angles.

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And you guys can choose who's going

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to answer which one.

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So one of the questions I'll ask is,

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what's the vision for the patients?

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The other one question will be, what's

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the vision for the doctors or the medical professionals

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that are going to be impacted by this technology?

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Just got that epiphany.

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I'm like, OK, cool.

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So I'm going to dive into that with Cody.

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Cody, on your side, what's your vision

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for the medical professionals that you're serving?

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Yeah, so the vision for the clinicians

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and medical professionals is really

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to provide new tools at their disposal.

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So there are some lengthy and complex processes,

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for example, for diagnosing dementia, for example,

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or cognitive impairment.

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And it takes a long time.

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You're going to get different scans.

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You're going to go through a lot of testing.

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It's going to take years.

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There are diseases like this where the processes

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are rather qualitative.

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And so there's just a need for these more quantitative,

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for example, full brain assessment of the health

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and talk about what part of the brain and how much.

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So yeah, just really equipping the clinicians

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is sort of the look there.

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Awesome.

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And we're going to dive into your personal side

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of your life a little bit.

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You've got 13 years of marriage.

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Congratulations to children.

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Awesome.

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You got a lot of great hobbies as well.

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What's your vision for yourself, Valerie?

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What do you see for yourself on the horizon?

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Sure, I mean, this is a dream of ours.

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As long as I remember, when I met Cody,

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he wanted to cure cancer.

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I'm more about fighting for justice, justice for all.

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And I found it really unfair that some people cannot live

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the life that they deserve because they're

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suffering from disease.

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I personally lived it with a brother of mine

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who has a rare disease that is incurable.

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The doctors are just able to manage the symptoms.

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And I wish for everybody to have the best care that is possible,

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have the best life that is possible.

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So it really is within a deep vision or need for justice.

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And that's why I went to law school as well.

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I want to offer to everybody the same chance as much as possible.

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You did ask what's going to be the impact for patients.

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I think if people want, obviously,

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to anticipate what could happen to them

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if they are at risk of developing a disease,

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like they can get an MRI scan where they are in their 20s

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or 30s, they can anticipate, go see their doctor,

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really try to have a preventative medical treatment

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plan.

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And you can empower them to have the best

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life that they can have with the support that they need.

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So that's really what's driving me to work at Imaginistics.

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Well said.

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Well said.

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Cody, how about yourself?

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What's your personal vision?

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It can be outside of work.

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It can be about work as well.

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But we'd love to know what your personal vision is.

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My personal vision is like that movie Elysium

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with Matt Damon, where they've got that machine,

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and then they're all trying to get to it.

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And so it's going to scan you.

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It's going to find any disease, and then it's going to cure you.

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So that's why this technology is really a platform technology.

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I mean, if you can look at the blood vessels

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and the small vessel health, you can talk about almost any

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disease in the body and really detect

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these sort of chronic diseases that we

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detect quite late but early.

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And so that's a part of it.

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And that's also why a big part of what we're doing

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is building partnerships with companies

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that are developing really the next generation of therapeutics,

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including cell therapy, which I think

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is it's going to be the next step on sort of beyond

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the single molecule kind of drugs we're making.

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And what they need, actually, it's interesting

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because what they need is these measurements or some biomarker

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measurements that can show how well it's working so they

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can get through the FDA.

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And I'm really passionate about that,

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and I care a lot about that, especially placental stem cells

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because it's an ethical place.

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Every birth comes, we got our third one on the way.

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And so we're going to say.

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Congratulations.

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Woo.

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And it's a natural, every birth comes with the placenta.

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And it's just this, Dr. Bapuriri is the one who discovered,

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comes with stem cells, the stem cell factory in there.

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And so there's a lot of curative potential with those.

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And I think that's beautiful.

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That's awesome.

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I can see your passion.

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I can hear your voice too.

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And I look forward to seeing all the things

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that you guys are able to accomplish with that

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over the decades to come.

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Now, there's obstacles we run into as leaders with our visions.

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And one of them is our own leadership.

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Sometimes it's leadership that we've experienced.

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So I'll start with Cody on this one.

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Cody, on the darker side of business and growth or life,

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what's the worst leadership experience you've ever

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had or seen?

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Worst leadership experience I had, I guess.

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So my PhD was done under, you know,

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was called my principal investigator, so my PI.

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And I continued to work with him during my postdoctoral

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fellowship.

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And I invented this technology, really.

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He's on board as an inventor as well.

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You know, if you contribute 1%, you're there.

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But when it came time to make the company, he backed out of it

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and wanted me to work for him.

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And so he says, you know, I'm going to have all this.

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I'm going to have all the equity,

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and you'll just be a little worker for me.

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That was pretty bad leadership.

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That's the wrong way to go.

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So we got rid of him, and we fought hard to do it without him.

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And now he's out of the picture.

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But, you know, I could be you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, oh, yeah.

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I mean, thank God, actually, that, you know,

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that guy's got such an air.

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But, you know, I think good leaders

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want to see the people that they work with prosper

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and try to be fair and equitable with their work

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and, you know, for successful, the people

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that are working with us are really

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going to feel that success too.

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I love that.

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I've been on both ends of the spectrum

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on the equity side of business.

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And some businesses, some people,

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they don't appreciate the people who are helping them

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build their foundation, building the foundations.

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And in other cases, the person who starts the foundation

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gets undercut and cut out as well.

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Right?

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I do want to give an extreme honor to Dr. Seth Yates.

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He's my business partner at AbleHealth.us.

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Most people don't know I'm a co-founder of that company now.

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And I have 44% equity in that business.

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So when he offered, after we worked together

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for a month and a half, and after a month and a half,

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he's like, Jack, so I'm like, this is amazing.

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I need a business partner.

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And he was willing to give up to 50%.

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I said, you know, no way, man.

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Like, you founded this.

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For now, you need to have full control over what we're doing.

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And I said, OK, let's do 49%.

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But here's what we're going to do.

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So we're going to call Matt, who introduced us,

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and we're going to offer him 5% because he's

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a nutritionist by trade.

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He's one of your friends.

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And we want him in this long term as well.

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Now, if Matt came in and started providing tons of value,

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we would up the ante on what his equity stake is.

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It's so helpful.

523
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,780
I'm glad you gave the example of this,

524
00:24:04,780 --> 00:24:07,720
because there's so many visionaries out there who

525
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,720
think they have to have the entire pie.

526
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,080
And it's like, what are you doing?

527
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,720
You're strangling your own opportunity to move forward,

528
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,480
give people an incentive and a reason

529
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,800
to help you build the foundation.

530
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,480
That's at least my thought.

531
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,680
That's what I would recommend.

532
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,480
So do you have a worse leadership experience

533
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,960
on your end, Valerie, that you'd like to share?

534
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,520
Well, I worked for a lot of different type of people.

535
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,280
I worked in France, in the Netherlands, in Boston.

536
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,080
I think each time it's like some kind of you

537
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,000
have to adapt to your new environment.

538
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,120
I'm just going to speak for myself as a leader myself.

539
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,480
I had struggled with managing people

540
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:59,180
in terms of over expecting that they can do everything

541
00:24:59,180 --> 00:25:01,040
I had them to do.

542
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,920
I was more in the context of the law field.

543
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,840
And I realized that sometimes there is some kind of learning

544
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:13,200
curve from where people start and where you want them at.

545
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,760
And you have to guide them step by step.

546
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,280
Especially with law clerks or paralegals,

547
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,040
you really have to teach them step by step.

548
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Because I'm so independent, and I

549
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,920
like to figure out things by myself.

550
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,160
I have a tendency of thinking that people,

551
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,800
I like that as well.

552
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,680
But I think some people need more guidance on how

553
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,760
to acquire some skills.

554
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:52,440
But I think, yeah, I worked with different people.

555
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,640
And you have to remember that sometimes there

556
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,200
are some cultural background as well involved,

557
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,320
even if we always speak English.

558
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,800
I worked in an international environment

559
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,000
where everyone comes with his own culture.

560
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,760
So it's always an adaptation, I'd say.

561
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,880
And people have different management style.

562
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,120
So the employer has to figure it out.

563
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,640
It's a relationship.

564
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,760
Absolutely.

565
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,200
And I'm glad you mentioned that.

566
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,280
And with cultures, there are different management styles.

567
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,280
There's different needs.

568
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,000
There's different desires.

569
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,280
And even within cultures, you've got

570
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,360
different styles within different neighborhoods

571
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:37,920
and within different families.

572
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,400
And that can be extremely hard to understand

573
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,120
how do you show up the right way for every different

574
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,080
personality.

575
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,440
And that's a great country singer, Billy Carrington,

576
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,600
said, people are crazy.

577
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,360
Good song, by the way.

578
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,320
But what we are, the sooner we own that,

579
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,160
I realize we're all different.

580
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,560
I think the easier it becomes to start relating

581
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,840
with more of the people around us.

582
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:03,440
So well said.

583
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,400
Let's start with you on this one, Valerie.

584
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,400
On the flip side, what's your best leadership experience

585
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:08,880
look like?

586
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,120
I have some pretty amazing experience.

587
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,240
One of them was when I was at Harvard Immigration and Refugee

588
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,720
Clinic.

589
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,080
It was part of GBLS, Greater Boston Legal Services.

590
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:30,880
And my two supervisors, John Wilshire Carrier and Nancy

591
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,200
Kelly, they were amazing attorneys.

592
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,880
I think they are recognized as leaders in asylum law,

593
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,360
asylum and refugee law.

594
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,640
They actually helped to build it.

595
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:48,120
And you know, Cobitan, K-SLEW, it

596
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,040
was pretty amazing to work under their supervision.

597
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:57,120
And I was just a freshly, I was not even

598
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,880
an attorney in the US yet because I had to pass the bar.

599
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,640
But I was still in law school.

600
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,920
And they really treated me on equal.

601
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,040
They really treated me as an attorney,

602
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,800
recognizing my experience from friends.

603
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,560
And it was really empowering to me

604
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:19,440
because depending on who you speak to, some people are,

605
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,520
oh, you're not a lawyer yet, or treat you that way.

606
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,120
And they were really encouraging and treating me as equal

607
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,440
and brainstorming with me like legal strategy.

608
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,480
That was one of my best experience.

609
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,040
And that reminded me as well a lot

610
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,320
when I worked at the International Criminal Court

611
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,920
in The Hague because it felt really international,

612
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,720
like international human rights.

613
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,680
So I love that experience a lot.

614
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,840
That's amazing.

615
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,560
Cody, same question for you.

616
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,320
What's the best leadership experience you've had or seen?

617
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,240
Oh, I'm just thinking about that.

618
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,040
I'm constantly surprised.

619
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,800
So I mean, coming from an academic background,

620
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:11,840
I'm constantly surprised by these different strong academic

621
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:17,560
people who really give so much and contribute.

622
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,240
I've got so many different mentors,

623
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,080
and I've needed to reach out to different people

624
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,040
for their expertise.

625
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,040
One of my mentors has been like Stephen Greenberg at MGH.

626
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,600
And he was directing this consortium called the Mark

627
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,720
Beeson Consortium, and they've standardized some stuff.

628
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,960
And so one of the things they standardized

629
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,600
is how to do in a clinical setting,

630
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,120
how to do a fairly complicated procedure called

631
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,920
the hypercapnic challenge, where you're breathing in 5%

632
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,640
CO2 gas and 95% air.

633
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,320
You don't know you're doing it, but when you have that mask,

634
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,880
it makes all your blood vessels dilate, and it's this.

635
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,000
And I reached out to Huns and Lew at Johns Hopkins.

636
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:13,280
And these people, they've developed these methods.

637
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,360
A lot of times, they develop different technologies.

638
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,680
And like giants, we stand on their shoulders,

639
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,720
and they give, and they give, and they give their time.

640
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,920
So there's been a lot of different investigators

641
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,480
in academia, and even in the program directors in the NIH.

642
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,120
I think between the NIH and those institutions,

643
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,440
I've just seen countless really powerful individuals just

644
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,120
giving.

645
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,200
And I could mention quite a few by name, but yeah,

646
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,640
I'm inspired by that.

647
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,160
That's amazing.

648
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,800
One of the principles that I hear you talking about

649
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,680
is how when you make the transition in your life

650
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:02,520
to surround yourself by a network of great leaders,

651
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,480
you have an exponential receipt of people giving to you,

652
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,160
people helping you develop and learn,

653
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,840
and they usually want you to succeed.

654
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,480
I've seen the same as I've transitioned

655
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,320
to work with people who are successful.

656
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,880
And when I say successful, personally, I

657
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,480
define that by people who have a tremendous amount of wealth

658
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,800
in terms of how they show up for others financially.

659
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,920
Sometimes they're also very wealthy or well off enough,

660
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,480
and they care tremendously.

661
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,160
They're passionate about their purpose in life.

662
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,760
And those people, they want to mentor.

663
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,600
They want to show up.

664
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,100
They want their legacy to continue.

665
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,280
They want somebody to improve upon the formula

666
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,640
that they have.

667
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,440
And so if you're without that right now, if you're a visionary

668
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,900
and you're trying to do this alone

669
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:52,080
and you don't have support, then I'd highly recommend

670
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,960
starting to find where a community is that could help.

671
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,320
And Division Pros community is a good example.

672
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,160
The I Am Driven podcast community, I imagine,

673
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,040
is another good example.

674
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,200
And making sure that you also stay in touch with Valerie

675
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,920
and Cody, reach out to them and see how can I get involved

676
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,560
in your circles or in what you do.

677
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,920
It's also an opportunity.

678
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,880
So that's one powerful lesson I would share.

679
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,480
Now let's double and triple down.

680
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,720
So if this was the last chance you

681
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,280
had, Cody, to share a powerful lesson with the world,

682
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,600
what can other visionaries learn from your experience?

683
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,440
The last one.

684
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,520
The last one.

685
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,120
You're the genie and this is our last wish.

686
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:36,960
I don't know.

687
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:44,000
I think what's been powerful for me has always been I think,

688
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,640
I mean, I've got my eye on sort of the beginning

689
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,680
and the end game.

690
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,720
Maybe that's just sort of the way I look at it.

691
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,600
So we're all aging.

692
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,440
We all have a journey and it's going to be a finite one.

693
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:06,520
So my focus has always been sort of like that.

694
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,400
And so the way I live isn't to chase after sort

695
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,200
of like ephemeral things, right?

696
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,280
Like chasing after the wind, wealth, and glory or honestly,

697
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,640
if I could just be kind of the guy behind the scenes making

698
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,920
some things happen that make the impact that I want,

699
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,960
that's what I would do.

700
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,360
So I would say follow your nose.

701
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Follow your heart.

702
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,400
I've seen that people are called to different things.

703
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,960
And if you explore what you're passionate about,

704
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,920
I think you're going to make the biggest impact.

705
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,040
It may not be clear to you how it's going to work out,

706
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,880
what it will look like.

707
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,600
And that started for me like studying physics and engineering.

708
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,200
I just knew that I wanted to help people

709
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,400
and I'm studying that.

710
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,000
I could have stopped and said, oh, maybe I

711
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,200
should become a doctor or a nurse or something.

712
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,640
That would have made sense.

713
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,800
So I think just following your passions,

714
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,280
even if you don't understand where it will lead,

715
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,200
and then just trusting in a higher power

716
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,200
that there's something there for your contribution.

717
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,320
And I think when we contribute, that's

718
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,880
where we find our happiness.

719
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,400
And when we connect to sort of that higher power,

720
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,160
the creator of this universe, that's

721
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,200
when we really see an eternal perspective

722
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,720
beyond this finite one.

723
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:18,680
That's how I would put it, I guess.

724
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,200
Dude, if I was in a stadium, we'd

725
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,760
have the music going right now.

726
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,680
And I'd be leading the wave of standing ovations

727
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,160
and be like, yeah, yes, he hit it.

728
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,440
Yes, I'm right there with you, man.

729
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,240
I love that.

730
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:36,320
Following your passions, even if you're told you're crazy,

731
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,480
even if you feel a little bit crazy,

732
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:45,080
it's so rewarding to continue that process

733
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,400
and realize that, wow, I ended up

734
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,880
finding what makes my life feel so wonderful.

735
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,960
It's super rewarding.

736
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,480
So visionaries, we hope you stay on your track, in other words.

737
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,080
Valerie, how about yourself?

738
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,600
What's your powerful lesson that other visionaries can

739
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,560
learn from your experience?

740
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,880
Sure.

741
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,640
So I'm also led by faith.

742
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,400
I became a Christian when I was in my 17.

743
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:20,360
I'm not from a religious family, so it was a bit of a discovery.

744
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,760
And I remember being really kind of anxious

745
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,280
about what is God's plan for me.

746
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,480
I used to actually study.

747
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,820
I did a major in math in school.

748
00:35:31,820 --> 00:35:34,280
I wanted to go to medical school.

749
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,080
I tried engineering a little bit.

750
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,160
I switched to law because I felt like it was more

751
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,600
like my calling justice and helping people.

752
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,400
But it's funny that many years later, I'm

753
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,880
kind of putting that aside and joining a medical startup,

754
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:58,000
trying to have passions, live a better life, a longer life.

755
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:04,200
So I'll just say I think that God

756
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,760
lead us in mysterious way.

757
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,440
I think be true to yourself.

758
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,920
Go with what inspires you in life.

759
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,880
But as well, I'd say, try the process

760
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,320
that you'll be where you need to be.

761
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:28,720
And it's kind of a funny quote from an anime.

762
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,560
I think it's the Avada.

763
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,600
It's like the Dragon Prince.

764
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,680
In the Dragon Prince is an anime on Netflix.

765
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:41,080
And the elf asks the parrot some kind of life lesson.

766
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,360
And the parrot say, you're kind of in a river.

767
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,920
And if you follow your heart and your gut,

768
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,720
you'll end up where you're supposed

769
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,960
to be on that river, right?

770
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,760
And I really like this analogy because you

771
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,360
can make beautiful plans, whatever,

772
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,960
but you might not end up where you thought you will be.

773
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,320
So I think kind of trust that there is a bigger plan

774
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,440
that someone you have in mind.

775
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:14,080
You just have to get started and follow

776
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,960
what you think is best according to your personality,

777
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,240
to your passion, to your calling.

778
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:26,440
And things will kind of you will be led in a way.

779
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,040
I feel like I'm led to right now to help

780
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,480
with Imaginastix.

781
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,320
I'm also thinking about starting a podcast

782
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,920
to encourage female leadership.

783
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,880
Because that's really a passion of mine

784
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,280
to encourage other women.

785
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,840
But you just have to get started and then

786
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,040
you'll see where it goes.

787
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,000
Absolutely.

788
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,720
I love that.

789
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,240
And I'm glad you included Faith.

790
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:56,240
And this is a safe space, Vision Pros, for ideas like that.

791
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,560
It would be really sad if we didn't

792
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,240
talk about the superpowers within that drive conviction,

793
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,960
that drive us to our best opportunities.

794
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,320
And there's so many different directions.

795
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,840
I want to go with all the things that you just

796
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,280
talked about, Valerie.

797
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,760
One of them is I want to make sure to connect you

798
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,520
to some of you both, to some of the people in the network that

799
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,920
may be interested in Imaginastix, that

800
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,760
may be resources as well.

801
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,600
So let's make sure to follow up on that.

802
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,640
But I've got to ask first, in the process of growth,

803
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,000
are you seeking funding?

804
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,400
Are you past that stage of driving the vision forward?

805
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Where is Imaginastix at right now?

806
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,280
So we are seeking funding.

807
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,160
I hope that we've found the funding that we need.

808
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,640
Waiting to hear back.

809
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,520
But until then, until the eggs are hatched,

810
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,880
I'll say we are seeking funding.

811
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,400
Smart.

812
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,000
So if you're interested in investing or being

813
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,880
a part of our mission, now is the time to reach out to us.

814
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,440
True that.

815
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,440
Absolutely.

816
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,720
And I'm glad that you found something.

817
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:11,800
I'm glad that you all are being wise about looking

818
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,600
for additional opportunities.

819
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,320
I see a lot of people on the job market.

820
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,040
If you're a visionary and you're still at the career stage

821
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,080
and you're applying for jobs, one of the dangerous things

822
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,880
that you can do is stick with the one job offer

823
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,880
and not have multiple offers, where you don't have choices.

824
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,320
And supply and demand is not in your favor

825
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,880
if you haven't done the due diligence.

826
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,120
So I'm glad that you guys see that opportunity.

827
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,960
And so I'll introduce you to some people that come to mind.

828
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,200
Harut from Mark Botix would be somebody

829
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,080
that I'd love for you to meet.

830
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,160
Sam Rain in regards to the SBIR.

831
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,040
I'll introduce you to Melissa from The Lost Spot.

832
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,480
Amazing individual.

833
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,200
And there's a few more along the path.

834
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,400
Bernard Chong is an angel investor that was on the show.

835
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,240
Just follow up with me about these individuals

836
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:07,200
and we'll get you connected as you see fit.

837
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,040
Now let's talk about Imaginostics,

838
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,440
detecting disease early for a healthier life.

839
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,320
So what types of diseases are you

840
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,560
able to detect with your technology, Dr. Cody?

841
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,760
Yeah, so the publications that we

842
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:29,680
have are in head injury, looking at blood brain barrier leakage

843
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,840
from very mild head impacts.

844
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,920
Type 2 diabetes, looking at blood brain barrier

845
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,240
leakage in that disease.

846
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,760
We've looked at the single most significant genetic risk

847
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,920
factor for Alzheimer's.

848
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,320
And we've been able to characterize

849
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,120
the whole aging process in genetically modified animals

850
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,680
with APOE4.

851
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,720
And from a 20-year-old human equivalent

852
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:59,280
in these genetically modified marine models,

853
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,000
we're able to see the disease so early

854
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000
and then how it changes throughout the process.

855
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,880
And so we have been funded by the National Institute

856
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,760
on Aging and the Alzheimer's Drug Discovery Foundation

857
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,960
to do the first controlled biomarker study for Alzheimer's

858
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,920
disease with our technology focusing on early detection

859
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,160
at mild cognitive impairment.

860
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,240
So we're doing that now at the University of Miami

861
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,960
and Friggenwomen Hospital.

862
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,560
There's a ton of applications.

863
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,200
I mean, multiple sclerosis is an important one

864
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,920
that we're looking now with the big pharma partner,

865
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,120
because they need biomarkers for that.

866
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,200
So for example, in multiple sclerosis,

867
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,440
it's an autoimmune disease.

868
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,280
So you think, well, where's the vascular measurements there?

869
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,800
And it's well known that there is an increase

870
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,080
in vascular density there and also lots of blood brain

871
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,760
barrier leakage in the disease.

872
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,280
And so the measurements of structure and leakage

873
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,600
there are quite important, probably also function.

874
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,880
But really any neurodegenerative disease, I mean, heart disease,

875
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,240
I mean, people say, you know, I mean,

876
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,480
we could be like clearly for and insert the blank.

877
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,040
I mean, we could probably even do CAD better

878
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,160
than what CLEARLY does.

879
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,720
So it's a high resolution, functional, structural,

880
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:18,480
and leakage measurements of the vasculature

881
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,040
throughout the whole body.

882
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,880
So we've even talked to people about Crohn's disease,

883
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,960
looking at leaky gut.

884
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,680
But we can map ischemia and around the heart.

885
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,840
I mean, people are interested in using this technology

886
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,080
for looking at vascular implants.

887
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,640
So for example, companies developing a technology

888
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,280
for aneurysms.

889
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,880
And the difficulty is that they can't image that,

890
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,320
and they need to see it.

891
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,960
And so we have no trouble imaging even up

892
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,880
to stainless steel or other implant materials in the body.

893
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,040
So it's really an incredible technology

894
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,760
for almost any disease.

895
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,080
So those are some that come to mind.

896
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,880
Thank you for talking about some of the diseases.

897
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,960
It helps me think through to the people in my life

898
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,840
that this may apply to.

899
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,240
Valerie, you were going to add to that.

900
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:11,840
Yeah, I mean, like in a nutshell,

901
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,080
I would say it's a platform technology.

902
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,280
So there are a lot of different medical applications.

903
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,200
And Cody gave a brief overview.

904
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,400
But right now, it would be fundraising for our go

905
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:30,120
to market to be available at hospitals and clinics.

906
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:36,040
So how go to market is a 10 times better imaging technique

907
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,640
that is really safe.

908
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,520
So for people who are contradicted to gadolinium,

909
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,000
especially because they have kidney problems.

910
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,360
So for chronic kidney disease patients, stage four and five

911
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,480
specifically.

912
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,120
So after we are able to be on the market

913
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,760
and provide a solution for those patients, then at the same time,

914
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:04,000
we are pursuing non-dedictive funding through grants

915
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,280
in partnership, especially with pharma,

916
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,880
to expose the different medical applications.

917
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,440
But there are a lot.

918
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,080
I think we are going to discover along the way as we

919
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:22,960
work with different experts where is the most applicable

920
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,600
or where we make the most sense to pursue

921
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,520
the different applications.

922
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,720
But yeah, it's really like the word that comes to mind

923
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:35,440
is really like platform because there

924
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,040
are a lot of different applications

925
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,840
because we can image anywhere in the body

926
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,240
and look at the small vessels, join this

927
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:43,320
in the small vessels.

928
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,440
So we are always looking for experts

929
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,880
that we can collaborate with, write grants with,

930
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,360
and see where we can be the most helpful.

931
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,760
Absolutely.

932
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,160
You mentioned Crohn's disease.

933
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,760
I actually have a nephew with Crohn's disease.

934
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,320
How soon will this technology be available for diagnosis

935
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,440
or is it already?

936
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,760
So the timeline is that within two years,

937
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,040
it will be available in every hospital.

938
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,680
And that's just the black and white vascular images.

939
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,800
So every year, there's 40 million MRI scans.

940
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,120
20 million are with gadolinium.

941
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,760
And at least a million are not undergone

942
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,200
because patients are contraindicated

943
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:28,960
to gadolinium.

944
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Gadolinium is a toxic heavy metal,

945
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,400
really shouldn't be used, but life-saving medical imaging

946
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,280
procedures.

947
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,840
So our technology is a completely different way

948
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,920
to use an MRI scanner, but it works with the hardware there.

949
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,440
So it really comes as a software,

950
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,320
changes the physics of the data acquisition for new data,

951
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,440
and it works with an iron supplement for contrast.

952
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,520
So our go-to-market is those 10x better vascular images

953
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,160
with the iron supplement for contrast,

954
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,680
especially for people who can't get gadolinium.

955
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,480
But really, we can grow into the whole market,

956
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,720
the whole gadolinium market, and potentially replace it.

957
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,520
So that's sort of the go-to-market.

958
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,520
And it's a software and contrast agent combo

959
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:12,800
because we're offering the iron supplement.

960
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,720
And so that's what's going on there.

961
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,240
And so that's two years.

962
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,000
It'll be available, kind of replace what we have there,

963
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,400
more safer.

964
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,920
And then after that are all those applications.

965
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,460
So the technology will be there, but from those black and white

966
00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:28,960
images, now the next step will be

967
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,240
to go to a decision support tool for each disease.

968
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,760
And that's a data-driven process.

969
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,440
We'll need to get each different application, data sets for those,

970
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,040
get FDA clearance for each of them.

971
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,840
And that's also why we're pursuing those technologies

972
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,120
in parallel, sort of the next step

973
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,160
after the imaging technology is available to do

974
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,720
the biomarker-driven assessment of disease.

975
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,640
So that's sort of the strategy and approach.

976
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,640
I mean, to be candid, it could take many years.

977
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,240
It kind of depends on the type of funding and support

978
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,960
that we get for each medical application.

979
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:14,360
So let's say if we found a strong partner

980
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,200
and we're able to do clinical study,

981
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,000
I mean, obviously, it will become sooner available.

982
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,560
So we got a lot of support in the field of Alzheimer's disease.

983
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:32,640
But each application could take a few years,

984
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,360
depending on the support and the funding.

985
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,960
Because there is the research and then there

986
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,840
is all the process to make it available, so FDA clearance,

987
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,720
FDA approval.

988
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:46,760
So I mean, it could take a while, depending

989
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,640
on each type of applications.

990
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,400
Absolutely.

991
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,800
And as we know, the sooner the better.

992
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,440
For those who are suffering with these realities,

993
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,720
I've got to ask, as a sports fan,

994
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:04,960
is this technology also able to help with the CTE diagnosis?

995
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,480
I think so.

996
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,280
100%.

997
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,440
I mean, those guys have blood brain barrier leakage.

998
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:17,440
They have, so I mean, so that's definitely an application,

999
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,000
mapping the vascular density is going

1000
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,320
to change the structure there.

1001
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,160
And then the function of those vessel changes, there's leakage.

1002
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,560
I mean, that's a clear application.

1003
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,280
So all of these things really just

1004
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,120
require the funding to do the study.

1005
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,360
And it's the first measurements that

1006
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,800
work at the individual level.

1007
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,600
So some of the things we measure with standard or state

1008
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,680
of the art imaging techniques, I mean, you can do it,

1009
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,640
but you need these large groups of people to see and effect,

1010
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,480
because you just can't see it at the individual level.

1011
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,800
The signal is not strong enough.

1012
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,760
So if you've got 50 people who have been hit in the head

1013
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,440
and 50 who have not, and you have a drug,

1014
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,840
and then that's basically what's going on right now.

1015
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,720
And so our technology, for the first time,

1016
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,560
you can see it at the individual level.

1017
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,640
So now it's useful for individualized diagnosis

1018
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,280
and detection.

1019
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,880
And again, I think the key point is that, well, first of all,

1020
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,120
of course, we need the funding in that area

1021
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,200
to be able to develop it and get it ready.

1022
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,720
But the point is that, yeah, we want

1023
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:23,360
to make those technologies available for detection.

1024
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,680
But at the same time, our heart is

1025
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,280
to work immediately with drug developers in those spaces

1026
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,800
to make therapeutics.

1027
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,320
Absolutely.

1028
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,720
Well, that's awesome.

1029
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:33,960
I know you guys have to run.

1030
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,120
I would ask you questions all day if I could.

1031
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,360
I'm really fascinated by what you're up to.

1032
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,760
I look forward to seeing the technology come out,

1033
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,200
obviously, for many reasons.

1034
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,920
I'm humbled and honored that you came on the VisionPros

1035
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,280
platform.

1036
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,600
Everybody who's listening in right now, in the landing page,

1037
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,800
you will see the action steps you

1038
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,880
can take to support Dr. Cody and Valerie Garaguslo

1039
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,680
in this development of imaginostics.

1040
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,880
And if you also are a visionary who has your own vision,

1041
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,360
you'd like to apply to be on the show,

1042
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,600
on the top right corner, you'll see a button that

1043
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:08,920
says Be Our Guest.

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You can apply to be on the show.

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We'll talk about your vision.

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And as long as it's holistic, as long as you're

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striving to be the best leader that you can,

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then you'll likely qualify to be able to come

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on this show.

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We want to see all enlightening, holistic projects come to life.

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We're here to help facilitate that.

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Cody, Valerie, thank you so much for being here today.

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And VisionPros, have an excellent rest of your day.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for being here today.

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I'm really happy that you tuned in to VisionPros Live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions

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as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is going to get more and more fun.

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We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show.

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And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision.