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The books you mentioned had a book there about the daily stoic.

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today when you look at it and you realize they learned how to simplify life.

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I'm going to be working on a channeling my, my inner stoic nature while we talk to,

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Uh, two other books, seven habits by Stephen Covey.

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That's a, that's an OG book that you just can't get away from.

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collaborate and how to thrive in life.

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know, athleticism, whatever it is, if you can apply those principles, it's just,

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it's worth more than a college degree.

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unstoppable mindset, which is just published November, right?

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A guide for success for male leaders.

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leaders that they're called to be.

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understand men better and for men to understand themselves better and help

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themselves achieve the goals and the success that they have and also get

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life right along the way.

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Look at that book everybody.

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That is awesome.

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The unstoppable mindset by Pete van der Veen.

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And, uh, yeah, we're going to, we're going to look at that a little bit further

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too, as we, as we chat, that's awesome.

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Oh, Mike, I can't wait to see how you pulled those principles together as well.

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Overlapping, overlapping new knowledge with what's, what's happened over time.

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power in my own certainty of like, okay, bam, run, hit it because now I know.

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Everybody who's listening in a mission-based turnaround expert, um, that

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phrase, maybe write it down to internalize it while we're on the break.

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Welcome in to vision pros live with Jackson Calame.

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I'm your show host.

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We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are

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building fantastic visions out there.

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What's up everybody.

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And welcome into another episode of vision pros live.

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I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO of first-class business.

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I'm excited to have Pete van der Veen join me today.

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We're going to be talking about his, his job as a mission-based turnaround

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tremendous leader to look up.

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so easy to just feel the power of their kindred spirit when you just first meet

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them, but we had some really deep level conversations about business and growth.

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and Sean, and I'm glad to have both in my life.

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I also want to reveal some other great relationships that if you have not heard

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of them could be life-changing for you.

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One of them is Sean Lechuga of the wellness shop, three, six, five.

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catching listening, like it's not a bad idea to pay attention to the people

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rising up, um, you know, as, as Pete said a little bit ago, the, the David

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birth Goliath stories, um, there are a number of David's out there who, if you,

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if you get in sooner than later, you might be able to benefit in tremendous ways.

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This three, six, five harmony of life will assessment.

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This is what really caught my attention about Sean and Julianne is they're

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looking at life and holistic health from the position of, okay, let's, let's look

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that I don't know if they'll pull it off in 20 years, I don't know if they'll

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pull it off in 20 days, um, but as they worked diligently to fulfill on this,

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as a naturopath or a doctor even might be good to reach out.

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Then there's Melissa Gray with the law spot and, uh, Melissa, when she came on

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the show, I was, I was nervous.

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a, as an attorney and help entrepreneurs understand that law doesn't have to be

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complicated, um, I was, I was like hooked, hook, line and sinker.

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I was like, man, this lady is amazing.

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I can't wait to see her build and fulfill this vision where, you know,

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legal zoom's great and Crocodoc and those programs where I got most of my free

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templates initially for, for my business when I started.

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and desist and demand letters and some, you know, people tried to trademark

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our brands, et cetera, and we spent some serious cash on retainers because we

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did not, we did not do our due diligence on protecting ourselves from a legal

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standpoint and why well, as a startup, you know, when you're calling legal

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people and you're kind of, you're young, you're figuring life out too.

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process and you sometimes just go with what feels best or what review looks good.

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as a wise steward of your venture and say, you know, maybe I can interview

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Melissa, maybe I can interview the guys over at legal shield, um, or elsewhere

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and see what are my options.

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hire somebody fast and, uh, you may end up getting raked over the coals and

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your vision may shift gears far more than you want to.

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If that's the case, prepare ourselves.

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It's what it's all about.

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Then there's the water project and, um, I keep the water project near and

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dear to my heart on purpose primarily because I don't ever have to worry about

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water, um, yet millions of people in this world do.

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with this, but you get to see and learn like how they go about building these

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It's like amazing to be able to see the results of what I've contributed to.

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could share this message and maybe you're connected to the one person I'm

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not that's going to, uh, donate a hundred thousand dollars to this.

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You just never know what will happen.

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So you could share this.

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We would appreciate it.

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in the world right now, maybe it's even just a family that has a crowd funding

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need, uh, don't hesitate to drop that in the comments.

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There's 8 billion people in this world that we, that we can help.

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Thanks brother.

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Thanks for having me.

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Diving right in.

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others really so that they can step into their God given purpose and passion.

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I love it.

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That's real simple, real sweet.

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Step in to their God given passion.

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What, what would that, what, what form does that take for people?

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my heart by God, where it's like, I know if I have the tools, if I have the

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Now it's my turn to give it back.

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I don't care what we call it.

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your page and we'll probably pull this up in a minute as well, is that there's

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a ton of what I'm going to say is well-placed hyperbole and your message.

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I see a huge conviction.

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do you come in so boldly to help people with these turnarounds?

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where you want, I don't even know how to pinpoint this, but I think it's

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an objective that I think is so important for entrepreneurs and visionaries to

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debate because that's often the role we're serving in.

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Well, that's a great question, Jackson.

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And I think, I think I can really speak to that because when I see a person, I

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don't see, certainly you see what they're, you see what they're, you know, their

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attitude, their charisma, their body language, you can see that, but you can

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also realize that what you're seeing is just the tip of the iceberg.

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So you start to realize that there's a lot more beneath the surface, right?

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We don't know the battle they're facing.

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We don't know the journey that they've been on, but what I found most of

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the time is when you help someone and you can help them get through their journey,

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through their struggles, through their adversity, then you start to see the

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real person.

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And I think a lot of times in a corporate world, I've seen people be

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dismissed left, right and center, but it was like, they didn't know what they

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were doing, but it was like, they didn't have the desire to do whatever it was

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they were asked to do.

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They had an inability, inability based on a lack of knowledge, a lack of

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understanding, lack of clarity, whatever it was.

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And so for me, what I realized is if I can nine out of 10 people, if I can

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help that person, give them the tools, I can empower them.

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I always speak on, on behalf of empowering human capital, but if I can

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help that person, give them the tools, tell them, I believe in them and give

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them the road to success and then champion that success.

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Most people will reach levels that they never thought possible.

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And typically in an organization, when people, when companies are struggling,

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it's usually the common denominators of people are struggling.

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So if you can help the people become unstuck and help them start to know

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more, learn more, communicate more, collaborate more, thrive more.

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Now, when those people come together, it's like a company's unstoppable.

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I love that.

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I love that.

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We're going to keep it right where that's at.

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If anybody wants to join the debate on heroes complex, savior's complex, how to

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help, should we help, et cetera, of course, feel free to dive into the

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comments and let us know what your thoughts and opinions are on that.

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What's your vision for you, Pete?

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What do you see for yourself on the horizon?

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Uh, honestly, my vision is just to continue to create kingdom impact.

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I, like, I want to, I run a lot of companies, but at the end of the day, I

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just want to be that person that someone could be like, Hey, you really helped me.

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And I think for me, if I can continue to help people, I can help people become

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empowered, then I can help that husband, that wife, I can help that child.

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I can help that corporation.

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But to me, it all boils down to like, you know, we're here to serve the least of

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these, and if we could help people realize like they're, they're loved,

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they're cared for, they're valuable.

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Then I know they're going to go off and they're going to do something great.

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And that's not to me.

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That's not, I don't even see that as a hero complex.

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I just know that when someone finally believed in me, it made a difference for me.

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And then, but I also know that as long as the world told me I was a piece of shit,

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I was going nowhere.

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And if anything, I was going to prove them right. Because I grew up as the boy

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named Sue, I grew up fighting and, and being angry and being, being tough.

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So I just realized when you can, when you can champion someone else's success, not

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for your own benefit benefit, but for their benefit, you both win because you

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feel accomplished and they start to believe in themselves and they start to

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see what's possible.

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So for me, it's my, my vision for the next year, for the next, the remainder of

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my life is I just want to certainly make a big difference, corporately make a big

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difference, community, and then just make it be a positive light in a world that's

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focused on always pursuing darkness and trying to find the worst in everything.

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Yeah, well said.

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Um, and yeah, that is the difference.

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Again, those listening in, um, intentional with our word choices, um, you know,

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there's being a hero and there's having the heroes complex, um, right.

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There are two different realities that exist on that.

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And, uh, there are oftentimes, uh, in life where we have the opportunity to be the

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hero, um, versus I think I would define the complex side as somebody who's kind

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of addicted to that, um, and, and maybe it does it for the sake of being recognized.

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Um, as such, um, it's about them, not necessarily about the

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person that they're helping.

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Um, talking about, let's talk into a dark subject.

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Um, what's your worst leadership experience ever?

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This can be one that you've been through and witnessed.

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Um, what can be one of your own?

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The real, the real idea here is those who are listening in, what are they, which

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one, which story are they going to benefit the most from?

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Yeah, I think, I think, I think just like anyone else, like I've had to learn

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how to become a leader, but obviously through making my own mistakes, I've

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made my own mistakes.

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There's been times where I ran fortune five companies or ran big parts of

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fortune five companies and I wasn't doing a good job of leading my family.

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I was leaving my wife in the dust.

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Wasn't being the father I should be because I was over consumed in my work.

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So I would say that that was a time and a place where I was off focus, right?

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I wasn't holistically grounded.

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I wasn't, you know, I didn't have my priorities in the right spot because

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I was pursuing worldly success.

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I think to me, leadership ultimately should be that I'm here to empower others

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as a leader.

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If I run a large corporation, everyone's success is my success.

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And this isn't most leaders today, whether it's politics or corporate,

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they're not leaders.

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They're appointed people of, of egotism and of power.

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So they, they operate out of fear and it's kind of the character of the stick.

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They'll either manipulate you or they'll fear monger you into doing and executing

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a task for me as a leader, I want to lead from the back.

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I want to be the rising tide in the Harbor and I want to help other people get to be

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successful.

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And then I know communally I thrive because I helped everyone else thrive.

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Absolutely.

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I got to ask, um, how did you, how did you go about overcoming yourself in that regard?

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How'd you go about shifting changing?

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Well, I think the biggest eye opener for me was just realizing that I was, I went

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from, I went through a dark journey in my life where I was, I went through growing

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up, I went through abuse, I went through neglect, I went through abandonment and

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it turned me into, and it turns anyone into a selfish person because now you

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become all focused on yourself, your needs, your protection, your survival.

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So survival is a necessity inside fight or flight mechanism, except when you

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don't control it, it becomes, it converts into narcissism and now survival has

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become you, you needed to survive because you were the victim, but now you become

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the perpetrator because you only care about you.

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And when you're in that state, you become a dangerous person.

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And for me, when I started to realize that I was now doing the very thing

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that I had been wounded by growing up.

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When I started to realize that I was abandoning the very woman that had

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committed to me and I had, and I was neglecting my kids who were the only

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thing that really mattered to me.

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When I, when I took some of the most important things in my life and I put

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them aside because I was trying to pursue someone else's approval and a corporation's

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approval, it was kind of an eyeopener for me that if I continue this trajectory,

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this isn't going to end well.

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And I'm going to make, I'm going to regret it heavily one day.

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And one day I'm going to be like all the other executives that are divorced and

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single and 65 years old and sedating their negative negativity and depression.

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So for me, it was an eyeopener, but, and it was kind of, to me, it was, I

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knew what I wanted to do.

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I just had to have a reset to get my, get my vision back.

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And to realign my life and then to get back focused on what mattered, which,

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which was being a father, a husband, and then a servant leader.

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So I appreciate you diving deep into the vulnerabilities.

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You know, I want to actually want to dive the opposite side though,

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like the light switch turned on.

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Right.

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You realize that, okay, I can, I can be there.

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Did you take massive leaps and like just scale to the top of perfect

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fatherhood and perfect husbandry?

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Right away, or were there little subtle things that you started to do that,

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you know, people can pick up on and say, okay, maybe I can do those types

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of things too, in my life.

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I think I, I intended to make small subtle changes.

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Like I had to try to reorient myself due to circumstances with the economy

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and corporate politics.

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I ended up having a hard time getting back to normal.

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I ended up having a hard choice made for me where I had to exit the fortune five.

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And so that was a, it was a day of reckoning for me where the very thing

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that I had used to kind of be the idol in my life was gone.

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And then I had to get real serious real quick with where my priorities were.

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So I feel like I didn't have a choice at that time.

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I had to really dig deep and go deep and heal and restore who I was and then come

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back and do it all over again, but do it the right way this time.

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And so it was, I didn't choose that route, but it got given to me.

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And then I had to go manage it and it was very difficult.

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It was very dark at times.

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Well, thank you.

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Again, I'm sure there's others.

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I know I can relate to this in a lot of ways myself.

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So I've been there, done that on, on a lot of that, but I want to

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steal your thunder.

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People can hear that in other shows.

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So what's your, what's your best leadership experience look like?

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And I got a, I got a lot of them, but I think I'd say the common story is

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right now I'm working with a company out of Houston and, and when, when a

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company is stuck, when people are stuck, it's typically resentments, frustration,

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negativity, toxicity.

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And then when that continues to exist, it becomes a tit for tat.

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It becomes very anti collaborative environment, but I I'm always excited

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when I can come in there and I can help them start to see each other as humans.

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I guess they can start to see each other as friends again, and they can

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start to see each other as, Oh, they didn't really mean it that way, but I

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interpreted it the wrong way for all this time.

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And I made a mountain out of a molehill.

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But suddenly when you can bring everyone back to the table and suddenly.

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Positivity shows up again and collaboration shows up and we get a multiplier effect.

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And now we start to see exponential growth and suddenly when people are going

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from begrudgingly going to work to now they're coming into work and they're

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just jacked up and they're just happy and they're excited.

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And then you just watch this company just take off and you just see people thrive.

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But now you also watch people go home and they're happier.

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They're going to their families.

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With with a pep on their step and you got husbands and wives and, and

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single people and kids all going home again to their environment that they

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come in and the ring and positivity.

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So now you start to see this ripple in the water effect where what we do in one

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environment just transcends everything.

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Right.

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So I get those experiences a lot because that's what I love to do.

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But when you watch it every time you it's like you sit back and you just like,

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dang, this is fun.

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Yes.

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I love that, man.

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It's like that person who comes into the dance party, you know, another

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one's dancing and going to the next thing, you know, everybody starts

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diving in and dancing and it takes that, that one catalyst, but then you can

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like stop and look, you're like, man, look what I just did.

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You know, look what just happened.

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Look at the energy and, and you know, again, it's not necessarily the

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focus on, on you, but you also can embrace and be grateful for the fact

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that that's the byproduct of.

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Of showing up with great energy.

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Um, so I thought that's a really, really good example.

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I appreciate it.

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You dive into the depths of what's there because I mean, that's, that's

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journaling and meditation, you know, and it's, it's, you know, that's

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like the core virtue and value of it is you can dive that deep into your

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journal and appreciate your own experiences for the depth of what

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they could be doing.

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It makes it that much easier to stick to, um, and I think that's the

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second, um, changes in course changes in leadership style that may be

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foreign to you right now.

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Maybe that's not how your office environment is, right?

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The first time you're coming in and maybe it's a little bit awkward and

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people are surprised that you said good morning.

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Maybe people are surprised that you asked them how their day was, their

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weekend was, and you took five minutes to take interest in them.

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That it might take some time to make some shifts, or you might just

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need to bring Pete in, um, you know, or, or find an alternative if, if, uh,

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you know, Pete's busy with other companies and say, okay, I got to find

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somebody with this type of energy.

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So if this was the last opportunity you had to share a powerful lesson that

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other visionaries can learn from regarding your experience, what would

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the powerful lesson be?

456
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Dang.

457
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:14,680
That's a good one.

458
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:15,400
Yeah.

459
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,880
I feel free to take your time on this one.

460
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,960
I've always surprised when people rush in, I'm like, Oh, it's like,

461
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,000
slow down, you know, like,

462
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,480
yeah, yeah.

463
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:22,840
Right.

464
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,360
It's loaded.

465
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:25,600
Wow.

466
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:32,240
I think that we live in a society where people get the equation backwards.

467
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,680
People are looking for success and they're hoping that the success

468
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,240
radiates and then it helps them.

469
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:44,160
Feel more valuable and more validated and more successful as a human.

470
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,840
And I'm a firm believer that that's, that's the opposite.

471
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,760
What you have to do is you have to obviously heal from your trauma.

472
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,880
You have to become someone that learns to love yourself, not because of what

473
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,520
you do, but because of who you are.

474
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,360
And you need to realize like God created you for a purpose, not just

475
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,560
to take up space and use the resources.

476
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,560
But when you start to realize like where your value comes from, who you are,

477
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,200
why you're valuable, and you start to build off that, you start to realize

478
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,520
like your value is in what you, the person you are in the, in the value

479
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,560
you bring, not what you accomplish.

480
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,760
And then you step into a boardroom, then you step into the arena, then

481
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,000
you step onto the ball court.

482
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,640
Then you realize you're not, you're not desperate for success, but you're

483
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,520
coming in as an empowered individual that now you're bringing value everywhere

484
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,920
you go and then your success is amplified everywhere you go.

485
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,760
But what most people are doing is they're coming in with this empty bill

486
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,960
of goods, and then they hope that this arena will give me the fulfillment I

487
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,640
need to take back home and feel like I'm a successful person.

488
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,400
But that's a recipe for disaster because when you're bankrupt and you're

489
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,160
desperate, nothing will satisfy that.

490
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,120
And whether you see that in the world of alcoholics or drug users or, and even

491
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,880
finances and personal, you know, accumulation of wealth and successes,

492
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,920
you become desperate for the next hit because it's never enough to satiate

493
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,560
the emptiness, but if you can become a person that realizes the value you have.

494
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,000
So first and foremost, being the best parent you can be, because your kids are

495
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,840
your legacy and then, you know, investing into your relationships, cause those are

496
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,760
key, those are the people that need the best of you.

497
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,040
And then when you take that energy and you correlate that to your work, to

498
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,280
your professional arena, now you start to, you accumulate energy and you

499
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,160
accumulate a horsepower, so to speak.

500
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,840
And then when you come to work, you brought, you've charged up and now you

501
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,320
can have, let's give all this value to give to the, to the, you know, to the

502
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,800
marketplace, but when you go to the marketplace, hoping that's going to

503
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,160
fulfill you, you're going to, you're going to be sorely missing.

504
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,880
That's, that's profound.

505
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,040
Um, it's worth, worth meditating.

506
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,800
You actually got me meditating already.

507
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,160
Um, and on a, on a concept I haven't thought of before, so I got to give you,

508
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,600
um, pay credit where it's due, um, as, as I share this inspiration yourself.

509
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Um, it's fun.

510
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,280
It's that's the beauty of guys of, of listening on these types of vision

511
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:27,000
experiences and, and doing so authentically is then you end up filling your own soul.

512
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,400
Um, you know, and, and finding ways to reinforce your infrastructure.

513
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:38,040
So as you talked about this idea of, of, um, healing traumas, learning to love

514
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,640
yourself because of who you are, um, not what you do and, and then God creating

515
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,360
us for purpose, um, you know, I'm sitting there meditating on it and thinking,

516
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,640
okay, um, where has this manifested in my life?

517
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,440
What stages?

518
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:50,680
Right.

519
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,520
And I'm like, okay, I've been so blessed to one, I know what survival instincts are.

520
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,200
And I know what it's like to grow up with a need for strong survival instincts.

521
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Um, and to have to control everything around me have to write my quote unquote.

522
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,280
And then realizing letting go, um, you know, realizing that you're in God's hands,

523
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,960
no matter what, you know, there's this progressions of that.

524
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,280
So I was thinking, man, I was, I was so blessed to have that young, but one of

525
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,640
the cool things about, about Christianity is that we know about the refiner's fire.

526
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Um, and so sometimes we fill the vessel, you know, sometimes we have those

527
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,600
opportunities in life, but it's going to a church or treat, you know, we go and I,

528
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,200
ah, maybe in my soapbox, I hate how often coaches and leaders manipulate

529
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,760
an audience and it's saying, you know, you, you know, you've been to that

530
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,080
conference where you wrote all those notes and you went home, what happened?

531
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:39,640
What happened?

532
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,080
You know, you failed to do anything.

533
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Um, you don't put it, actually like, dude, chill.

534
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,520
Like that's, that's one, it's not a reality.

535
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Um, you know, you can't help, but we retain some of the virtues, um, and

536
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,920
an environment that you pick them up in.

537
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,880
Um, it's just very manipulative and I don't like it.

538
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,920
Um, so to go back towards that reality though, so yeah, when you get full, um,

539
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:05,240
there's been many times in my life where I was absolutely full with who I was.

540
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:12,840
And then I allowed ego pride to kick in and God found a way to break my vessel

541
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,640
so that I feel almost like nothing again.

542
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Um, you know, and somehow we can blame life.

543
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,240
We can say this isn't fair.

544
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,440
Like, man, I screwed up.

545
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,600
Um, at the end of the day, he knows how to use the refiner's fire

546
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,840
and not destroy the gold.

547
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,400
Um, you know, as he's burnt purging away the, the negativities that exist,

548
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,720
there's, it's, there's a cyclical process, um, that can happen over and over.

549
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,920
Joe being to me, the best example of that, um, you know, the, the perfect man,

550
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:52,240
as they say that then had another opportunity to, to, to, to, to, to

551
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:58,880
find external emptiness, but in his case, never abandoned, you know, the,

552
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,120
the internal reality that God give us and God take us away.

553
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:08,360
And I will, I will stay faithful to this, this idea, this way of being.

554
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,760
What are your thoughts on that?

555
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,360
Well, I think the hardest thing we can do is surrender control.

556
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,480
Cause I think if you're a wounded individual, if you went through tough

557
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,720
childhood, if you went through abuse and trauma and neglect and abandonment,

558
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,480
your, your necessity for control is to never get hurt again.

559
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:35,400
And therefore you, you will, you will rig and you will, you will strive and you

560
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,920
will obsess about controlling the environment, but ultimately you become

561
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,320
a control freak because your desperation has driven you to become someone that

562
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,920
wants went from no control to now you strive for absolute control, but we

563
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,160
all want finances.

564
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,160
We want comfort.

565
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,600
We want recognition.

566
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,000
We want accomplishments.

567
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,000
We want all these things, but inside that we are obsessing for control.

568
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,240
And I think Western culture is built on a need for control, but ultimately at

569
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,720
the end of the day, we can't control anything, but our own opinion, our own

570
00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:15,200
actions, our own thoughts, our own, our own charisma, all I can control is me.

571
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,640
And that's when you look at the stoics, they remind you that nothing matters

572
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,600
except for you and it's not what you go through.

573
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:24,800
It's how you go through it.

574
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,360
It's how you show up that matters.

575
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,520
So I think all of this always boils down to, are you willing to play with an open

576
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,440
hand and then deal with what you're given, or are you always trying to control the

577
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,960
situation and you only want, you know, you only want everything to work out.

578
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,600
Cause if you can, cause for me, there's been plenty of times things failed

579
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,080
miserably.

580
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,880
I've lost millions in investment.

581
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,880
I've had companies go bankrupt.

582
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,880
COVID wiped out one of my companies.

583
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,320
Like you cannot live and die by your success.

584
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,280
You have to play with an open hand and just trust that God has a plan and

585
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,280
refiners fire.

586
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,760
The flip side to it is that that shit burns, like it will burn you.

587
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,680
It will take skin off your hide.

588
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,960
It will, it will hurt.

589
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,800
But at the end of the day, you realize you're going to come out better, stronger,

590
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,680
and you're going to become closer to the man or woman that God wants you to be.

591
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,920
Because you started to realize like you had to let go of those impurities.

592
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,080
And if you can play with an open hand and just like whatever, whatever it's

593
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,520
meant to be, we'll stay and I'm going to thrive and I'm going to give my best.

594
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,920
I'm going to give my all to this situation.

595
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,000
And if it's not what I want it to be, guess what?

596
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,960
It's time for me to learn.

597
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,960
It's time for me to grow.

598
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,200
And what else can I, what do I have to give in this situation?

599
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,560
Cause we always want more.

600
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,800
And then we're like, well, then life will get great.

601
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,960
But it's like, what if, what if you just use the flower, the little bit of flower

602
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,520
that's left in your jar and then just play that hand and just double down?

603
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:54,800
Yeah.

604
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,520
Dude, you, okay.

605
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,480
Refiners fire.

606
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,280
That shit burns.

607
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,000
You said it right.

608
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,560
And I'm thinking, I'm always looking for the parallel on the other side though.

609
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,040
Cause on the flip side, you know what else sucks and you know what

610
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,760
else hurts just as bad being that.

611
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,000
Lump of dirt before being in the refiner's fire, being that lump of

612
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,000
dirt on that obscure mountain that nobody cares about that people walk all

613
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,240
over that suffers through all the elements to you, you drown in the rain.

614
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,800
Um, you know, you, you get hot in the sun, uh, you're, you know, you're kind of,

615
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,600
but once you're refined, right, once you become that refined piece of artwork too,

616
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,880
you're often cherished and protected in ways that you can't be when you just exist.

617
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,720
So both hurt.

618
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,120
They both, both existence hurt.

619
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,920
It's a matter of, of, uh, you know, are we purposely dedicating ourselves

620
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,240
towards something amazing or not?

621
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:52,240
It's 400 pounds is not any more fun, you know, and, and, uh, worth living

622
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,000
than being in shape and having a six pack.

623
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,240
Um, you know, both have their different burns and challenges to them.

624
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,080
So you're not going to escape the hard nature of life.

625
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,400
Um, you know, no matter which, which direction you choose to go, you talked

626
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,320
about feeling sedated, being sedated.

627
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,440
And, and, uh, yes, I've, I've been very fortunate to one of those stay at home

628
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,840
dad since they wanted my daughter's birth, uh, my first daughter, I've got four kids.

629
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,400
Um, and you mentioned this control aspect as well.

630
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,600
Um, that was, man, I was a horrible leader.

631
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,960
Um, you know, I had a really hard time understanding how to lead.

632
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,360
One of the best lessons I've received was my, uh, my church leader, my stick

633
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,040
president, St.

634
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,440
Jackson, I want you to write this down.

635
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,800
It was a very desperate part of my life where everything's falling apart.

636
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,480
And he said, I cannot, or no, I do not control the world.

637
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,160
And I'm, I'm, I'm a studious guy.

638
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,440
I really have to, I stopped riding midway through and I was like, Ah, I

639
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,720
think this is how I survived in life.

640
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,800
I was like, this is, you know, like, are you sure?

641
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,160
You know, I'm like, we go back and forth for a little bit.

642
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:56,960
I'm like, okay.

643
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,160
He said, now stick that in your pocket and carry it with you everywhere you go.

644
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,480
I carried that thing for years.

645
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,640
Um, you know, I've still got it somewhere, but I finally was like, okay, I can,

646
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,600
I can let this go.

647
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,440
Um, I, I get the concept.

648
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:11,880
I see it.

649
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,440
I feel it.

650
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,440
I appreciate this so much.

651
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,640
Um, life has been.

652
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,320
Just exponentially, I can't even express how much happier I am at

653
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:21,720
peace.

654
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:25,400
I am with life ever since learning that, you know, it's so cool.

655
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,560
I don't control.

656
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,920
Thank God, literally that I don't control everything else.

657
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,280
I can, I can just make sure that I'm working on me and he knows that I'm, I'm

658
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,440
going to be imperfect at it and he's okay with that too.

659
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,560
It's like, Oh, that's a relief.

660
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,440
So, all right.

661
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,160
Mission based on the world.

662
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,680
All right, mission based turnaround expert.

663
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:50,320
Um, you dove into, these are the principles.

664
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,160
I imagine you're discussing with people, um, you know, on a, on a daily basis

665
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,520
and there's other things that you're up to.

666
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,080
Do you want to, you want to dive into that further and what you do for companies

667
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,240
or do you want to keep this?

668
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:01,040
Okay.

669
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Yeah, go ahead.

670
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:02,400
Yeah.

671
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,520
Um, I think at the end of the day that what, what I've dealt with is I've worked

672
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,840
with a lot of venture capital groups, private equity groups, and they have one

673
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,600
goal and that's a return on investment.

674
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,480
And even large corporations, whether you're fortune 500 or fortune five, all

675
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:27,520
they really care about is healthy financials, quarterly reports, and all

676
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,200
too often they have a short-term outlook on what success looks like.

677
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,840
They're just looking to do whatever it takes.

678
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,440
But I find actually, if you look at the statistics, they say 70% of corporations

679
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,200
today lack leadership and they admittedly say that they don't have leaders in their

680
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:44,640
company.

681
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:50,440
That's a scary statistic, but at the end of the day, what I try to help companies

682
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:57,440
realize is there's a, there's a, there's a happy medium between just hack and slash

683
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,960
and cut your way to the top.

684
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,480
And what you really have to do is when you help invest into people and when you

685
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,360
help make people more successful.

686
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,680
So if you have an, a company of 10 people or a hundred people or a thousand

687
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:18,000
people, when you can help those thousand people become 10%, 20% more enriched,

688
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,600
more empowered, more successful.

689
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,800
That becomes a massive driver for success.

690
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,160
But a lot of companies, they don't think that way.

691
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,600
They just say, we need more sales, drive harder, get a bigger whip.

692
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,000
They just, all they do is it push the accelerator harder.

693
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,040
Whereas when you can come at things from a mission focus, which is I'm here to

694
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,960
endeavor on empowering people.

695
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,320
So these people become more successful because if I help someone, if I take a

696
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,880
mom or dad and I can help them live life better, come to work, more energized, be

697
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,880
more productive at work, go back, live a happier life, that company will benefit

698
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,120
from her positive mental health and her positive emotional health.

699
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,880
And so to me, the mission focus is always, I'm not looking at dollars and cents.

700
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,720
I'm going to give you the dollars and cents return on investment, but I'm

701
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:11,120
going to look at the person, I'm going to find the people and the strategies and

702
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,840
the techniques to help these people become more empowered, more productive.

703
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,040
Whereas corporate America is always focused on just do whatever it takes to

704
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,960
drive more money and they never think of the investment side of the equation.

705
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,360
So it's the equivalent to having, you know, a big block Chevy and all they're

706
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,280
doing is just trying to put more, they're just trying to put a, put a bigger

707
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,800
blower, a bigger supercharger on the engine or put a bigger exhaust on it.

708
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,960
And they don't ever think of like, how do we put better fuel into the Corvette?

709
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,920
How do we make this thing healthier so that it can produce more?

710
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,520
All they want to do is just put something on, put some lipstick on this thing and

711
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,880
make this thing, you know, return tomorrow morning.

712
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:55,920
Absolutely.

713
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:05,520
So how do you, how do you go about, what seems, what seems hard to me is getting

714
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,960
such a big organization that's, you know, one time Tracy Childs at wishlist member

715
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,360
was talking to me about growth and shifting and, and we're, you know, he had

716
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:20,720
110,000 customers on his, on his membership platform and he was explaining

717
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,000
to me, Jackson, I'm a marathon runner, not a sprinter.

718
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,760
I can tell you great, great sprinter.

719
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,800
First time I'd heard the analogy of my co-appreciate that, that he said, we're

720
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,400
an aircraft carrier, man, like we can't spend things on a dime, you know?

721
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,960
And I, you know, I'm like, well, that there's a lot of truth to that.

722
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,400
And how can we optimize that spinning?

723
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,400
You know, so that happens faster and that's kind of what you seem to do, so to speak.

724
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:52,880
So when you're facing, you know, the obvious weight of, of, you know, a tight

725
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,640
Titanic, what do you do?

726
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,080
How do you, how do you start?

727
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,720
How do you, when, when they're resistant, how do you help them understand that

728
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:06,520
you're not here to destroy what they're up to and inspire them to make changes?

729
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:14,800
I think it comes back, it comes back down to just the same tools that I used to be

730
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,520
a better father, same tools.

731
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,920
I used to be a better husband or the same tools I can use to take a fortunate

732
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,320
five company and, and change the trajectory.

733
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,040
And it comes down to investing into spending time with people, listening

734
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,520
to them, hearing their concerns, hearing their fears.

735
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,320
And then you start to understand that it's not what's coming out of their

736
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,440
mouth, that's actually the truth.

737
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,240
It's what you can hear in the tone of their voice.

738
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:42,240
So you can see what led them to that point and you can start to realize,

739
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,320
okay, this guy is a control freak, but really what's happened is he's scared

740
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,200
for his family because he's scared of losing his job and he's scared of losing

741
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,040
his job and therefore he's a paranoid freak at work.

742
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:55,040
Right.

743
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:59,600
So now it's like, you help that person start to understand that, like, I

744
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,560
understand your battle, I understand what you're facing and let me help you.

745
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:08,320
Achieve success was doing a different way, but really it's helping walking

746
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,720
with these people and helping them see it through a different lens, helping

747
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:15,160
see that we can still get there, but we're going to do it in a different way.

748
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,760
But the beauty with mission focused turnarounds or mission focused scaling

749
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,440
is I don't want to just hack and slash and just have instant success.

750
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,880
What I want to do is have longevity because if we turn this thing around,

751
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,800
the collateral damage is going to be extensive if we do it the wrong way.

752
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,040
Like it's notorious of private equity and venture capital by a company,

753
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,800
increase the revenue and then sell it.

754
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,880
Well, by the time they turn around to sell it, there's fires everywhere.

755
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,280
Dumpsters are on fire.

756
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,720
People are bleeding.

757
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,960
Like they've just brought destruction because they came in and they just showed

758
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,840
up with a big knife and they just, they basically trimmed all the trees violently

759
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,440
and aggressively, and it was like that didn't benefit anyone long-term.

760
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:06,360
So mission focus is really focusing on if I can invest just like an athlete,

761
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,240
if I can invest in that athlete, look at someone like Dion Sanders, he's

762
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,440
taking a college team, right?

763
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,920
He's taking the buffs who were at two, two wins in like 10 years.

764
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,400
And he believed in those boys.

765
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,240
These boys aren't like a listeners.

766
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:24,920
These are boys whose dads are in prison.

767
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,360
These are boys whose dads are incarcerated and these kids have gone through hell and

768
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,960
back, but he, what he does, he believed in them.

769
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,520
He loved them.

770
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,360
He took care of them.

771
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,160
And suddenly he starts to bring out the best in them.

772
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,160
And then next thing you know, we've got a championship potential team from

773
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,760
people that everyone else discarded.

774
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,880
Cause they weren't the shiny, they weren't the shiny sharpest object in the toolbox.

775
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:47,280
Right?

776
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,960
These were the kids that were rough around the edges.

777
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,120
And I think in a corporate environment, when you help understand that most

778
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,680
people, the communication is not there.

779
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,400
The collaboration is not there.

780
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,440
There's silo culture.

781
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,480
So there's all these things that are apprehending people's success that

782
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,560
when you remove those and you start to help people like, listen, work together,

783
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,120
communicate, help people understand better and help the executives understand

784
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,800
better and help the executives do a better job of relaying what's in their mind.

785
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,840
Cause a lot of executives have this authoritarian approach where there's

786
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,200
like, well, they should just know better, do it or else.

787
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,800
Well, it's like stop for a moment and realize how did you, did you want that

788
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,800
approach when you were growing up, when you were elevating through the, through

789
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,320
your career, did you want someone to be like figure out or else, or would you

790
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,600
have liked someone to stop, take a moment, take a knee and say, listen, how can I

791
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,040
help you, because that's how you make people successful and that's how you fix

792
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,640
companies and that's how everyone wins.

793
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,760
And you get back to the Stephen Covey.

794
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,920
We, most corporations, it's a win loss relationship.

795
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,440
Executives win, everyone else loses.

796
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,720
Shareholders win, everyone else loses.

797
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,800
But there's a win win in every company, but you have to be willing to spend the

798
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,480
extra effort and realize working on the emotional intelligence, not the, you

799
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,720
know, the intellectual intelligence, but working on the EQ side of the equation

800
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,920
drives incredible success.

801
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,000
And then you just watch this thing take off.

802
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:24,040
You know, I'm going to use the quote, the grass, you know, isn't greener on

803
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,120
the other side to call the rest of us out.

804
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:33,000
Um, what, the way that you described and, you know, rightfully called out the,

805
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,240
the villainization of, of the worst side of venture capitalism that exists, you

806
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:38,920
know, Hey, let's do this fast.

807
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:39,720
Let's make this happen.

808
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:41,280
Like you said, then everything's on fire.

809
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,720
Um, I was like, Oh, you're talking about copywriters.

810
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,960
Oh, you're talking about coaches.

811
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,800
Oh, you're talking about digital marketers.

812
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Um, Oh, you're talking about human beings.

813
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:55,960
Um, you know, we, we all tend to find ourselves at sometimes, um, you know,

814
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,040
exercising again, control dominance tactics.

815
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,880
Um, we want to prove our results.

816
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,760
We want to get the result as fast as we can.

817
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,040
And, and we're not often looking at the byproduct of, well, what happens?

818
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,360
What happens when we run full speed towards a cliff edge?

819
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,640
Um, you know, like what, what could happen in that scenario?

820
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:20,800
So, so pipe dream pros, you know, the non-vision pros out there, like settle

821
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,520
down, um, you know, maybe, maybe consider how does this apply and to the vision

822
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,280
pros out there, what I wasn't able to do in the show is unpack the secret cure.

823
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,240
Um, you know, the, the, the, to be like Pete, um, you know, and to have the

824
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:39,400
exact results of Pete drives, what we were able to expose and see is just like

825
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:46,440
listening to an interview of the, of, of LeBron James, you know, trying to say

826
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:51,080
how he got to where he's at, the amount of study, the amount of diligence, some

827
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,040
of it coming from, you know, your background, Pete of control and probably

828
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,160
obsessiveness over like being the best that you could, who knows for what reason,

829
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,840
but some of those virtues you've maintained, um, and you've, you've, you

830
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,840
get a little communication, you know, just ask questions.

831
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,000
Well, you know how to ask the right questions at the right time with the

832
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,840
right tone and the right cadence, et cetera.

833
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:17,360
And that takes a incredibly sincere amount of diligence and practice to be

834
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,440
able to do that effectively and, and help people to our maximum potential.

835
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,080
So we've got to, we've got to metaphorically get in the weight room as

836
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,800
visionaries, the weight room of leadership, the weight room of Stoics

837
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,600
and the weight room of personal development, et cetera.

838
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,560
We've got to be diligent and consistent in that if we want to drive the types of

839
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,800
results where we can effectively change, change our lives for the better, change

840
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,400
those around us for the better, not necessarily us changing them, but again,

841
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,240
inspiring that path forward.

842
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,200
Um, there's a lot of work that has to be put in any final thoughts you'd like to

843
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,320
add before we wrap up, Pete.

844
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,360
No, I think, I think you hit it on the head.

845
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,480
I think we, there's no such thing as instant success, right?

846
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,120
Refiner's fire is a slow gradual process of God refining you.

847
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:12,040
And it's coming to the realization that we don't control the variables.

848
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,720
All we can do is, is adapt and overcome and, and try to do the best we can.

849
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,160
And I think when each of us can learn to see the humanity in others,

850
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,160
that's what empathy is.

851
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,040
So if I can see the humanity in others and I can see where the disconnect is

852
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,200
and I can see what that person needs to get to the next level, that makes me

853
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:36,280
unstoppable because I start to realize I can help anyone achieve success.

854
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,400
And if I help everyone achieve success, I don't have to try to do anything anymore.

855
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,880
I did what I had to do, but my success is part of that success.

856
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,880
So I think all the visionaries, it's easy for us to focus on what, what do

857
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,480
I need and how do I achieve it?

858
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:55,840
But if you start to realize like your success is the success of others.

859
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,280
And if you empower others, even if you got a small team, if you focus

860
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,960
primarily on empowering your team and making your team holistically thrive,

861
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,880
your company will be successful no matter what you do.

862
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:13,880
And even in the times where business isn't as successful as you want it to be,

863
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,720
still come back to the drawing board and focus on people, empower people,

864
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,840
thriving your relationships, thriving your family, thriving your kids,

865
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,560
thriving your health, and then come to work fully optimized.

866
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,160
Love it. I really appreciate you honoring us with extra time.

867
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,280
If you have to run, I get it.

868
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,360
If you have time to catch up afterwards and feel free to stick around either way,

869
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:38,160
I'll find you no matter what Pete, um, with the rest of you, Vision Pros on the

870
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,800
landing page, you'll be able to find the links to be able to three, three

871
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,400
opportunities here that I see super clearly.

872
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,160
One, you have all the links you need to follow Pete Vanderveen and learn more

873
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,960
about his path and how he's gone about doing what he's doing so that you can

874
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,960
learn to emulate what, what he's up to as well on how he's going to do it.

875
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,360
As well on how he's driving success to we'll have his book on there,

876
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,560
the unstoppable mindset, um, as well.

877
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,200
So you can check that out, learn more about how to become unstoppable and have

878
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,000
an unstoppable mind for your own success.

879
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,680
And three, if you have a vision to share it,

880
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,880
there's also a button on there that says, be our guest.

881
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,480
We'd love to get your vision out there and, uh,

882
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,320
and bless other people with you. If you got comments, questions,

883
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,960
don't hesitate to drop those as well on the social media platform of your choice.

884
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,440
Of course, we'll take a look at that and Vision Pros have an excellent,

885
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,040
excellent rest of your day. Take care, everybody.

886
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:27,760
Thank you for being here today.

887
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,240
I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

888
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,720
I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to

889
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:36,840
move forward. This is going to get more and more fun.

890
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,720
We'll have more and more engagement as well.

891
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:42,280
We'll invite people to participate in the show and thank you for giving us your

892
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:55,080
time and attention. Have an excellent time building out your vision.