All over the US so I grew up in Virginia Pennsylvania, North Carolina
I've spent a good a good chunk of my time in Utah
Okay. Well nice what part?
It depends so Caysville's my favorite one of my favorite location in Caysville
I spent a lot of time in Salt Lake City going to school there
Currently I live in Bluffdale so down close to Draper for those who are familiar
Yep, God Draper. Oh, no, I remember Bluffdale
But that's that's awesome beautiful area and you you have kids family. What's family look like I do so I have
two daughters so Olivia and Scarlett
Olivia is 14 and Scarlett is 11 or 12. I think she just turned 12
Just recently so cool. Yeah awesome
We we started around the exact same time on that track path. My my kids are 12 10 8 and 3
so
That's uh, I'm sure our 12 year olds wouldn't wreak havoc on the world and the best of ways
They're gonna change the world one day for the better. That's right. Absolutely
My my family I am I got married later in life
So they're actually step girl or stepdaughters. So
That's awesome. Anyway, you didn't yeah, I love how you you know, you you step fully into that as a
stepchild myself
to have heard my
my step parents on both sides
Talk with that level of confidence about me would have been a world of
wonderfulness
So I
Appreciate you for honoring your daughters
In their way, that's amazing
That's exactly what we're gonna be diving into today
Thanks to you is creating cultures of love and creativity in our home and you've got all these business skills as well
To help business owners with their growth and a great background great school that you went to so we'll dive into some of that before
We dive in
What are three of your favorite books and or resources to help visionaries move forward their visions?
first is getting things done by David Allen a
great book on time management
And then the second one is how to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie
It's like oh my goodness. Both of those are life-changing
Especially if you read them more than three times
I know I told you we'd go fast on this section, but you just mentioned a book that I think you'll dig this a lot
Oh
Nice, that's awesome. It's a little
It's an og lead magnet
It's what it is. This is from
1936 no way
My mom her first husband
Rest in peace he died in a plane crash when she was 28. She had they had five little girls
And that was obviously before my time my dad came into the picture, but he was part of a sales a car sales team
and
Either I don't know if Dale came out in person and did the training or for representative of his company did but this was his
So this is one of my little sacred lead magnets that I love to keep around me
That is awesome, and I'd love to get in like an original
Guide from from from him that'd be so cool
and then my third book would be
atomic habits
Originally I would say
The power of habit but atomic habits it's more impactful
I'd definitely say read both if you're looking to really improve
Your habits atomic habits forget. I love that we're on the same vibe right now because last week
I went to YouTube to do another a revisit of atomic habits
I'm gonna grab one of those tutorial links and was listening to
The author speak on stage about it. So it's you know
We're making sure you're always leveling up right and seeing how do we how do we instill these principles deep into ourselves?
How do we teach our team members about these principles as well visionaries lots of opportunities fantastic resources Jason
We'll bring you right back on as we dive into the official portion of the show
All right, welcome in to vision pros live with Jackson Calame. I'm your show host
We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic visions out there
Hey, what's up vision pros welcome into another episode of vision pros live with Jackson Calame
founder and CEO of first-class business, I am
Honored and excited to have Jason T Rogers on the show today
and I don't
Have the words to describe the importance of the alignment for me with this show and episode
For business owners. Yes, Jason does have a whole bag of
Not true business owners
Yes, Jason does have a whole bag of not tricks
Principles that I see that he follows for the sake of driving growth
principally driven people
Usually have an amazing ability to drive productivity and profitability
Beyond the tactics beyond the fads beyond the shiny ball syndromes that are so easy to distract us in today's economy in today's world
Or lack of economy maybe
Depending on how strong you feel about the reality of life and situations
So it's important to know that those dynamics absolutely exist today's focus though will be on
Making sure that not only do we cultivate fantastic businesses, but also a culture of love and creativity in our homes
We can have our cake and eat it too
And that's what we're we're going to be focused on today is a vision of that
In addition to of course being awesome in business
So before we bring Jason on stage, I want to talk about these sponsors
Sean lechuga of the wellness shop 365
Also has the same type of feeling he wants to help people really achieve what he calls integrative nutrition
And wellness and what really struck me was he's taken the naturopath and gone even further with it where it's not just about working out
it's not just about
It's not just about exercise supplements and nutrition, but he's actually got this assessment that evaluates joy spirituality
Creativity your career your education your relationships social life, you know all home environment
And that really struck me. It was like wow like this is an amazing vision and
Can his designs improve for his website?
Just like mine can um, you know, just like every company out there can improve
What's key to me is the core of that vision the way he shows up as a family man. It's been awesome to get to know
Sean over the last six months. He's become one of my best friends
He's become the type of person where i'm considering bringing him in as a business partner on one of my major ventures first-class business
And he's also involved in our pre-shows at vision pros live at this point
So if you get the chance to get to know sean
Um, and you're in a position where you want to you you have a need or a desire to become more healthy
Then he might be one of your key resources
Then there's melissa gray of the law spot the lawspot.com
When I had the chance to bring on the show
I was a little bit nervous because lawyers and I don't tend to get along i'm not they're not very touchy feeling most of the time
Then i'm watching the nurturing. She is the exact opposite. She is a nurturer with the strength of an attorney
Who also understands that legal does not have to be over complicated. In fact, it can be simplified
So she's bridging this gap between
What I see in the world where young entrepreneurs solopreneurs entrepreneurs, you know
We dive into things like legal zoom or crock-a-doc and we get our templates set up. Um, and great. That's awesome
That's that's a helpful start
But in order to be wise stewards of our ventures in order to have ourselves protected from the realities that exist in the world
Especially as you scale and grow and become notable
You're going to run across occasions where there's cease and desists or there's demand letters or there's somebody who's trying to sue you
workers comp
Situations that it's inevitable when you're growing to not have growing pains that occur. What's most painful
I found is when you're caught blindsided by that and you have to hire an attorney last minute and you didn't have somebody on legal
counsel
95 of the companies that i've worked with did not have somebody on legal counsel while I was with them and that is scary
In addition to that the five percent that do and i'm making these statistics up by the way
but
I'm pretty darn confident with the few thousand businesses that i've worked with that that was the case
And in the case where I saw them getting these problems, they usually hired somebody last minute on a retainer that was far far overpriced
And somebody who didn't necessarily have their their best
Their needs at heart and when you're an attorney in a city like san antonio of over 1 million people and demand is in your favor
How can you slow down and take the time?
Um for four people that's at least how I see most attorneys view the situation
So it's far better to find somebody early. I'm not saying hey melissa's your guarantee and the only person
She's something that you somebody you should definitely have considered
In your pocketbook when you are looking at it and you can go catch her interview and see for yourself
What you think of her then there's a water project
I'm missing my water bottle right next to me right now
But how cool and how amazing how miraculous is that that we do have access to clean drinking water every day
I can walk 10 yards and go get it
These children these families they have there's millions of people in the world who don't have access to that and it's something
I don't let myself forget. I want to remember this
I want to make a big impact on helping with this and sometimes that impact comes in the form of sharing
The experience for others in this case the water project does an excellent job of showing us
Which communities need help how many people are going to receive the help and when I look at this picture these kids are celebrating water
They're molding my children celebrate their christmas presents these days
And that hits me and makes me realize wow
I can do more to inspire others to get back to this. I can do more to give back to this myself as well
and uh, you know, I
I won't stop. I mean, it's gonna be a big part of what I do now
if you're in a position to give back awesome if you're in a position to share it, please do if
You have another project that's on your mind and on your heart. Um, you like man
Why doesn't he talk about this cause drop it in the comments?
Give us a chance to talk about it. Give us a chance to look and see if we can contribute
There's eight billion people in this world that we can combine forces and help if we're willing to
And if we just take the time to to make
Make great things happen. So without further ado
I'm going to bring jason t rogers on to uh onto the set and
As I get ready to do that. I want to showcase his website first
um, so
The simplification in his website the the genuine smile that I see in this picture
Those things really really stand out to me as a business owner
Who's constantly looking for new people to be part of my team new vendors new strategic partners, etc
You know doing what you love being able to focus on that simplify the rest
Um understanding that we don't have to waste time
Understanding how business can be simplified and there's systems and there's marketing there's tech solutions that all go into that. I mean it is so clear
Um how precise he is about about what he does that it's not hard for me to honor him even though
I just met him and the way he's gone through our process
He's respected our team to be able to get on this stage
all of those aspects
Are things that I evaluate as a business owner?
In order to assess are am I finding people whom I want to work with long term or not?
And uh, jason exemplifies an individual who has put a whole lot of time effort and heart and soul mind into what he does
As a businessman, so jason, thanks for joining me on vision pros life. Thanks for having me. It's great to be here
Absolutely, man. So we'll dive right in
What is your vision for the people that you serve?
Um
My vision
I want to help people achieve their dreams like
That that is my ultimate goal
Um, so I have all these different skill sets and each of those skill sets just help me to help others achieve their dreams
And together we can build a better world
And that's my ultimate goal like the like the big scheme little I love it. So you are like liam niesen and taken
Um, but you're like the positive version of it. Um, that's fine. You got these skill sets. Um
That you can utilize to accomplish that with fantastic
Uh, what's your vision for you? What do you see for yourself on the horizon?
um
My ultimate vision so
I love talking like goals and dreams and stuff. So I always think big right? So i'm a big dreamer
um
and overall
The best way to put it is like I invite joy into my life and the life of those around me by the things
I think the words I say and the things I do, right?
um and
And my way of expressing that is building creative communities like I love
Building communities that inspire creativity and and everything
um
And I do that in two three three ways. So I run a marketing company called gateway gears
We help our clients
um
um with researching their market understanding who it is and then putting together the entire like strategy behind how we're going to
Reach that audience and and invite them into accepting their services
um
the second thing I do is
um filmmaking so
I I work as a line producer for a film production company called combi productions
Um, and in the summer we make full-length films. So we finished
Uh our third film last year
And they're not like huge budget films. You're looking our last one was about two hundred thousand dollars for the budget
so it's not like
ginormous, but
They're they're a lot of fun to do. Um, yeah
And then the third thing I do is I love teaching social skills
Like that was one thing in college. I struggled with the most was really understanding
how social interactions work
um, and
And if you don't have the right social skills
It's almost impossible to achieve any dream
so it's like it's crucial that people know how to
develop healthy relationships and communicate clearly and feel confident in a room and that's
um, and those are the three things I do to build creative communities and
Invite join to people's lives
That's amazing. Um, and I appreciate the clarity the
The understanding of of how those components all connect as well to communities
Um, and one one secret power that I learned through a ted talk called everything that we know about addiction is wrong
um
He taught you you read it. Okay. I love that one. Yeah, oh my gosh
and
he talks about how the secret the core secret of
Overcoming our addictions whether your addiction is netflix or tik tok
You know or it happens to be music
um or chocolate
or
pornography or
Cocaine there's all sorts of different addictions out there. Um, some of them we justify more than others
And we've got the opportunity he says if we could help people belong
Or really belong in society belong to something a community as a superpower there. Well that same superpower transitions
Or rather exists within business as well
And most business owners don't realize that is one of the biggest keys to customer loyalty
And keeping people around is knowing how to manage and well how to inspire manage and build a community
So we'll we'll come back to that thought. I love that
That was one of my favorite ted talks, by the way where he gives the example of these studies with the rats, right?
and and how they
The rats that had the opportunity to have cocaine
But and and lived alone in a cage were just like gobbling it up
But those who were a part of a group
They barely touched the stuff and because of the community that they were a part of
It's just like wow, it's so fascinating
I actually I forgot about that part. I remembered the the study on Portugal
Um, and how they they don't you know?
Shame and guilt the prisoners
Um, you know, but they find a way to get them back on a on a great path so that they can reintegrate in society
Um the success that they've seen that and that
In that country. I was gonna say place
um that country, um, so
So when you talked about uh, you know teaching social skills, um, you know as entrepreneurs as visionaries
We've all got an opportunity to learn so much more about that
Um, you know, we we might be the most social butterfly in the world and yet we still have an opportunity to learn
Um filmmaking 200 000. I would love to link to one of the films in the show notes on the landing page. Would that be okay?
Yeah, sure. Absolutely. Make sure you do that. Love to check that out. Okay
Uh, where do I put that? Do I just don't worry. We'll do that after um, we'll get it for me right after but yeah
I want to make sure that we put one of those in there. Our most popular one right now is called devil's men
Um, and we were hired as the crew to make that one
So, okay, we weren't in charge of the script
um
So we were just crew just to give the heads up
Sure. Sure. There's always a portion of our you know, yep. I get you
Uh, let's dive into a dark subject speaking of devil. Um, what's your worst leadership experience ever?
oh, man
the worst
is letting people go like
Recognizing that they're not a fit in your community or in your your business community
um
and they're not performing their best because they
um
It's just like letting them go but that is the hardest thing I I have to do and honestly
I have no idea if i'm doing it right and i'd love to learn more i'm just like what's the best way to do that?
you know, it's just because I
I love
like
Not only when it comes to my my clients of helping them achieve their dreams, right?
but it's also goes same way with my my team and my my uh
Like everyone on my team. It's like they're there
because I
One of the key questions I ask in interviews is like what's your dream?
What are you trying to accomplish? And I want to make sure that
what we're giving them in
And projects is helping them to get closer to what they want to achieve with their life
so it's like
So with that opportunity and then if they they're not performing well our stuff is just it comes down to the fact that
Ultimately, it just wasn't a good fit, but also they're not clear on their purpose either. Yeah
So and it's just hard to let people go on that
Absolutely
I'll give my two cents on it if you don't mind
I've got some I think I got some really great secrets learned over
loss of people
And over the pain painful reality that I didn't know how to do this either
And I learned some very valuable lessons along the way of how do I optimize these processes so that I can better understand
These processes so that I can better take care of the people that I love and care about when things don't work out
you know and so that that goes all the way to the home as well of
two divorces
You know and and going through that, you know, that's in addition to having lost many employees along the way
But when I when I made a shift in transition what's worked for me is one
Being far more calculated about who I bring in
to the company having a combine set up a set of filters much like the nfl and the nba
They have certain qualifications to even get to the tryouts and the more filtered that process is the more people realize
I don't know if i'm cut out for that. I don't know if I want to be a part of that
I don't know if I like that before the relationship even starts. Um, so think dating
courtship
Then engagement then moving forward to the marriage when we create a process that helps
Honor everybody's time that's step number one and anybody can go to first class business and attempt to model our hiring process
All right. It's all there for a very very solid reason two in addition to that when people come into our company
There's two resources among many but the two that are most important that are most overlooked for companies is
I've got a passion pro assessments called it's a passion pro.org
And every employee every client clients later than employees
But the employees fill that out right away
And it helps us understand their strengths weaknesses opportunities and threats it helps them become self-aware of what their passions are
And now we can align the path for what they do with us
So that we become a vehicle for helping them get to and accomplish their purpose and it's amazing how it transfers into an incredible energy of woe
I want this vehicle to win because this vehicle is taking me to my destination
As they build with us three because of our name first class business. We never can provide second class service
I did that on purpose but as but as part of that we have to have a first class environment
And we have to be dedicated to championship level behaviors, which is not easy to do
There's a book called the five dysfunctions of a team
That's required reading or listening rather for the first week
You've got to listen to that book and then we've got to teach after they've done that
Teach after they've heard the book the principles of how to recognize the symptoms of dysfunctional teamwork versus functional teamwork
all of that really helps us to where
When we do have an off-boarding or an exit in the company my last
Five or six people who've exited the company exited on great terms
They were excited about that. They were happy about their time here
They moved to these new opportunities where they happen to make more money, which is awesome
And i've been contacted by two of them
Right before christmas. I said hey man
I really miss it. Can we come back?
um, you know and I said well, maybe let's look at the path for that too, but it's been a it's been a
It's been a life-changing experience
When there's a there's a clear path forward. Is that helpful? Oh super helpful. Absolutely. I'm i'd love to
uh read those resources. So you said they're on your website
Passionpro.org is its own project in and of itself with its own grand mission
But we integrate it into our programs and it's it is uh one I created
And then there's the five dysfunctions of the team by patrick. Wincioni. We'll link to it. Um as well read that one
I love that book. I love it. It's amazing. Um
What's your best leadership experience jason?
Man, um
2022 it was the
We were doing a virtual christmas party with my team
and uh
my team wanted to
Go around and take a moment each of them to express how grateful they were to be a part of the company and
and how helpful it was for them to
um
To to do what they wanted to do with their lives. I mean it was it was very touching and uh, that's awesome
it was
Um, yeah, it was it was awesome. It's like yeah, that's that's why i'm here. So
I love that. So y'all y'all made the time
Created the space and the environment for that to take place
And what is that? What did that do for?
I guess the culture of the company over the over the weeks that ensued
Um, it definitely
I I don't think anything changed per se with the culture of the company
um people still worked
Um just as hard as they ever they ever do so
But it it definitely helped everyone to feel more
I think comfortable talking to each other
and
um and talking to me, I think just because when
People get nervous, you know, especially my most of my team is in the philippines and their culture
Uh is a little different than here in america. Yeah, or they're they
They are very respectful
um and that and that leans towards
has being hesitant in like following up with people and
And checking and making sure that things are getting done type of thing. So
Absolutely, so and i'll i'm going to rehearse what you said a little bit for those who are listening
One of the things that may be taken for granted on this is what jason's saying is the culture continued
Um, you know, it didn't change anything about the culture because the culture of alignment
I imagine already exists. You said people are still showing up and working just as hard as they have been
Um, right. So I gotta dig backwards in your past and look at that and say, okay
Um, you know, how hard do these individuals work for you?
Um, you know and and what motivates where does the motive come from? Is it because you're the most tyrannical person ever?
Um, and you're slave driving and demanding people to to get their work done and threatening that their job is not going to exist or saying
Little undercuts like hey jason, you know if you don't get that done
By friday, um your toast your history here
Um, you know, is that how you lead or or what is what's your leadership look like?
And what's the what is hardest work like super hard working? What does it look like your team's?
day-to-day drive
Um
It's more on the lines of
um, just following up with them, so
It's a matter of
It's a very good question, by the way, i'm just kind of gathering my thoughts sure
um
It's knowing how to follow up with them
um
To make sure that they're they're clear on the project and their action steps towards that project
making sure that they
Have all the resources and tools available to them to accomplish that action step
um
If i'm not seeing any updates
When they when they record their hours, they also have to
Tell me what they've been working on, right?
um and if
their
Entries are vague
Then it shows me that they're unclear of what they're actually doing so then I follow up with them
It's like so how is this going? Do you have any questions for me? Do you have anything that you're struggling with currently?
um
And my goal is to just always to
Be there to help them, you know, i'm not there to
to really
Tell them what to do like I provide the vision and the project of like this is what we're doing for the client
um
And at first I may like be like this is the next action step. Can you do this?
And occasionally i'll do that where something really needs to get done
But for the most part it's like this is the ultimate vision
Where would you start next and I try to help them to
Kind of brainstorm and coach them through being proactive
So I love that
visionaries
None of us like being told what to do
Um, you know, I don't think you'd probably do either. Um, you know if you're listening in and that's what I love that
Jason's referring to is
You know, yeah, you know and you might think like well, how do I make them do what they're going to do?
You know what they're supposed to do if I don't tell them what to do and well again that there's a fallacy in that mindset
Um, I don't make my employees do anything
Uh, you know, I don't tell them what to do. I find people who are excited to do what needs to be done
That want to contribute I invite them and facilitate an opportunity as Jason does and then
As you said, we nurture them forward with with how things can get done. So I just hired go ahead
I try to help them define so the really one of the key principles is defining their role. It's like
This is this is the role you play in the company and with that role. These are
These are your typical daily action steps, but that's those are there just to help
Like keep things rolling but but as your role you want to be thinking about these things and looking for opportunities to serve in these areas
Yeah, take action on those when you see those opportunities
I'll give a tangible example that we're living through right now
We just I just hired an executive assistant in the Philippines. Her name's ang she is
phenomenal
Um, and two weeks ago, she started I had 4500 emails in my inbox
Um, and these emails in my inbox
I mean these were priorities that have just gotten buried over two to three years
Um, and i'm pretty good at filtering and moving but we get 100 200 emails per day
Um in my inbox and so I I don't I miss a lot of very important things too
Uh today and so we did a lot of training the process of how things work, but i'm now at inbox 32
Nice down from 4500. We have i've vetted assessed audited to make sure that as we move on
She's doing the right things the mistakes have been super minimal
We've co-trained on on how my style works. She has time to read my past emails as well and study
How do I respond to people?
How can she pick that up? She inserts her name on most emails letting people know that she's taken over my inbox
um, you know and owns that and
it took a lot of
Of empathetic training to help her realize she was safe to do that
And in our first interview
She was she was crying emotionally that like i've never been treated with this much respect
By somebody i've worked with um, and the last person who was working with her
Uh was paying her a very very low wage
um, and I don't want to reveal that for angisic, um, but then they said
I I found that other people in the philippines make half this amount and I don't think your work is very good
I can't pay you what what you want. I'm talking
An extremely low wage lower than anything i've ever heard of in the philippines
Um, and I was like wow like the amount of disrespect
Um that that occurs
Again versus the opposite
so if you're and i've got 42 drafts in my inbox because she drafts most of my emails for me so that I can just
Come in with a clear head
And hammer out the little details that I need to finish to get back to people as efficiently as possible
And she tells me every day she says jackson make sure you're looking at the drafts
Make sure you're looking at the drafts, you know, and she's gotten that confidence to know that she can talk to me
So last night we did training on sales. That's awesome
I mean that's been such a challenge when it comes to working with someone with the my with the philippine
Pino because they it's really challenging for them to follow up and that's awesome that you've been able to help her get comfortable to be like
Be persistent push back on and yeah, and there it is that it's that passive submissive
You know reality that they've again they if they haven't been safe in the past
Doing that with people and they've been fired for for being forthright
Then you learn you know, you don't want to get slapped on the hand, you know
You don't want to be you don't want to be you don't have your job taken away
Um, so it's there is a retraining that occurs there that can be done and she so she loves like every day
I'm like, hey, how are you doing one to ten ten? You're absolutely loving it here one. She's like i'm 100
Um, and i'm like, let's keep it there. I mean, let's do what we can so last night
We trained on I went to an event and all these people need to be followed up with right away
And we've never done that together. So I called her up after seeing all the materials and she got some things ready
But she's so excited about what we're doing now
She's creating these long emails trying to teach people like trying to sell people over doing like that. I guess about cells
So I was like so we trained on clarity
brevity
and open-ended questions
Um and paying attention to people's linkedin profiles and how do you show people that you really care about them?
Right. We did that one training took about an hour for us to role play back and forth
And her entire approach to email and correspondence and helping people
Has transformed she'll never talk to people the same way again
Um because that went out of training so you I mean you led me to it
Um, but and it's again, I see that you're doing the same type of thing with your team what I like to dive into
Jason is if this was your last chance to share a powerful lesson with visionaries about you know
Their experience from your own experience. What what's the lesson you would share?
If you can't do it alone like
No matter what you're trying to accomplish
Nine out of ten, you won't be able to do it alone
so you need to be able to
Learn how to communicate what you need
And and trust the people on your team to accomplish what what needs to be done for for that ultimate vision or dream
and and that that vision and dream really needs to be
And impactful enough that it it helps more than than than you you know, if that makes any sense
Oh, it makes so much sense. It makes so much. I mean that to me this this is christian philosophy
And many other religions say well, that's our philosophy too. And you bet it is I believe that but speaking from the context of what?
I know to support what you're saying
And I I love it that you can't do it alone. That's the grand paradox of our relationship with god
Is that one?
We have to find our relationship with him alone. Um like and and do that. He is the one that we need
Um, you know the rest we do not need for the sake of you know them serving us
But we're supposed to be there for them
Um, right. We're supposed to facilitate greatness goodness opportunities virtues for others
Um, and so when we when we mess that formula up and we start to need other people
Um, you know and say, you know, I need you to do x y or z. No, they're not our savior
You know that person's just another human being with their own struggles in life and but if we serve them
And help them see that we've got a vision correlated with our ultimate destiny
Um, or our ultimate destination then it's amazing how
They all of a sudden gravitate towards hey cool. I'm kind of headed that way, too
Why don't we do this together?
And it there's like this belonging that occurs in that process. So i'm glad you said that that's the ultimate goal is belonging like
everyone
In the world wants to belong somewhere and
and that's
And and when it comes to leadership
And and following both of those
um, it's all about understanding each other and really accepting and
um
Each each part that we play and and respecting each part we play, you know
so
I I also want to touch on the other side of
of like
I you can't do it alone. But if you're if you're
Serving someone which as a business owner, you're serving your your um clients, right? But you're also serving your team
your team
the
Uh, i've once i i'm gonna share the story and then come back to what i'm the point i'm trying to make
So a few years back. I was a medical aide for someone who was paraplegic
um, and I was uh
their assistant for like two years
um
and
We were
Uh, there's a lot involved in being a medical aide no legs or no arms. Um, he could not move his basically
He couldn't move anything from this far down chest down. Okay, so he could he had some movement in his arms
He could get up to like here. He had no movement in his his hands
He could move his wrists
so like this and we were out
working in his garden
and
I had an idea of how gardens are supposed to be done, right?
Because I've I've ran i've i've managed my dad's garden for years
um
So we were kind of hitting heads in a sense where he's like I want it done this way
And then I was like, but that's that's not the right way or something like that
And in my mind, that's what I was thinking and he's like he's like jason. He finally was like jason
I cannot do it myself
You are literally my hands
And I would like you to do it my way because this is my garden
And it finally clicked in my brain and that moment's like wow. Okay
I will do it exactly the way you want now because I now understand
That I am your hands how liberating for him. It was right and it was also liberating to me, too
It's it allowed me to
It it was very humbling for me
But in a really good way a really healthy way because it helped me from that point on to understand
That when i'm working with a client or or even when i'm working with my team
I'm i'm their hands. I'm i'm helping them in a way that that they cannot help themselves
at that moment, you know
And but also also if we're thinking at bigger scale or that way with god
I mean, there's this there's a statue in in europe somewhere that was destroyed during the war a jesus statue
That's like standing there and
When they were putting it back together, they couldn't find the hands
so they
They put a plaque underneath there and they're like basically the plaque says you are
You are my hands, you know type of thing. And anyway, it was wow
It was a really impactful moment for me
That's powerful. Oh, that's that's really powerful. It reminds me of a movie that I saw that's one of my favorite movies
And it's called the intouchables
upside
The upside it's a french movie and it's about uh this gentleman who was a criminal that then takes care of this guy and
and uh their their story of conflict and and bonding and
Man, that's that's amazing that you got to
learn from that experience. Um
So let's dive into um
Culture of love creativity into our homes. Um, we got we got two very different paradigms and perspectives on on how
Dynamics for family. I'd love to hear from you as far. So one how long have you been married for?
three years
three years, okay, um, so
You know you feel free to talk about family in the past as well
Don't even box you in where do you want to go with this part of the conversation as we talk about culture of love creating?
Creativity in the home and our everyday lives
That's a very good question
Um
Maybe what's the best
Maybe what's the best with how I found my wife? Let's see that but that's
so
Yeah, but I mean other people who are married yet like that, you know
They might they might really benefit from this idea of okay. How do I find that from the get-go?
um, right, so yeah, so
When in 2000 I think was 2011
2010 or 11 I had this dream
of my wife actually
um
and we I was just waking up in bed and
She was sleeping next to me and I snuck out of bed brushed my teeth and snuck back into bed
And she started to roll over and she looks she rolls over and that's when I see her face for the first time in the dream
Like oh my goodness. She is gorgeous
And I smile and I come in and I give her a small little peck on the lips and she
then like
Have you ever heard of the like yes ending situation?
where
Yeah, maybe it's an improv term
So an improv when someone does something you yes end it type of thing, right? Anyway, so she
She she comes into that kiss with so much passion
that
It it was like this moment where I realized she this beautiful woman
loves me for who I am for exactly who I am and
And when I woke up from that dream I was just like oh wow that is that's the love I want I want and
and
I realized that I didn't need to be anything different than who I was to find her and I just needed to be patient
um, and it was like
10 years later
I find her after like backpacking around the world looking for her
um
The I I put together i'm i'm marketing right? So I put together this marketing campaign for myself
It's like hey, i'm just and i'm single and I ran on youtube
I uh, oh wow
By the end I was on like four different dating apps paying for two of them just going down like I had perfected the whole process
Just to just to find her right?
uh
Wow, and oh ultimately, yeah, I found her but but along that way
it was in the very beginning it was like
I needed to be confident in myself and who I am and accept myself for who I am
ultimately flaws and all
and and
And for the relationship to really blossom into growth and anyway
Dude, that's no cool. That's there's there's an old movie actually with the olson twins
Um where they did that for their father, um a single father and they put a billboard up
for him
Um, so cheesy movie, of course, but it was definitely cute. Um, that's that's too funny and you know
we
You know not i'm a big believer in the in the scripture of the quote, you know
And knocking ye shall and the door shall be open, you know ask and ye shall receive right?
But it doesn't matter what it is, you know, typically what we ask for we do end up eventually cultivating getting
um, and whether for good or for bad, um, so
on
My side of things, you know, i'm twice divorced
And both of them painful painful losses not the circumstance that I wanted to go through in either in either case
Um, and certainly my ultimate intent for culture love creativity. Um, and having the home that I want I want to honor
The the two mothers of my children. Um, you know, that's something that I want my kids to know that
I do love and respect them for who they are
um, you know in spite of our challenges and
The second divorce led me to realize too though
Um, you know what for now?
I'm married to the idea of my of my children, right?
I am good where i'm at and I need to focus on my life with them and not worry about
about
overly act like seeking my next uh
My next spouse if I have one, um, but your idea of patience the fact that you went through that for 10 years for the first
Go around like
I applaud you for having the discipline to
To want to know yourself, um, you know to want to know how to go about that
Not that it's the path for everybody. I'm grateful for my path
but
what
What are some of the I guess the internal?
principles of virtue
that
Allowed you to to to do that
um, you know that felt right about
Going that route when especially when you come from an lds culture where everybody gets married
It seems like everybody gets married at 20 years old
Yeah, they do they get married very young
um
I I think your question is is what?
um what kept me going or or it's like
For waiting for her for 10 years versus just finding someone who works. Is that the question?
Yeah, I mean what sustained you through all that?
um
That initial feeling in the dream where this person really loved me for who I was
um
and
That makes sense, you know that makes perfect sense that I almost forgot that and that was such a powerful
I was like wow like you got you unlock something that I didn't learn until
Uh until after during the my first divorce
that I still didn't know how to
Realize going into my second but after my second was ending I realized I had this strange
Vision reality while talking to a former business partner of mine dean forbes and I said dude I we're like
elements on the periodic table
And you and I are like the polarizing ones that if we create if we connect with certain elements
It's like bam, you know, and it doesn't go well
Um, you know, but we've got to figure out what are the elements out there that can appreciate us for who we are where we're at
That creates a safe environment. Um, you know and and that's you know, when I say safe environment non-toxic environments
Right environment where you've got it also add to it where yeah, it's
In that process is also important to know how I can love her. I can like for who she is. Yeah
right, so when
When we were still dating
Um, we had our first like official fight, you know, it was a fight where it could have broken up the whole relationship
um
And the next day I was like I'd like to I would like to go therapy together a couple's therapy
Um, because I wanted to I one I wanted to see if she was open to
Right to self-improvement
And and and what was her what was her purpose? Like what was her reason for self-improvement? Right?
Was it for the relationship? Was it for me? Was it for herself? You know, like
um
and for me like I'm I'm I'm an open book and I and I know for a fact that there are quirks about me and
And weaknesses about me that I can't see
um, and
So if someone's upset with me
Uh, I would like them to tell me and let me know and why
so at least I can be aware of
of
that
What happened, you know, right? I I may not change anything
Most time I do
But because that ultimately is still my decision to make is is self-important because I need to I need to make changes for me
um
Because if I if I'm if I'm making those changes for anyone else, um, they're not going to stick
and same thing in the relationship, so when we
She was completely open to the idea of going to couples therapy
Which was like awesome
and
her
Reasoning at the end of like after we went I think it was like a couple of months or so
um
Of like, okay, I see where we went wrong here. Um
I want to improve myself for me as well. I was like, okay cool. It's not about the relationship
it's about her which is perfect because
That's that's what what you want. You want her to be able to be self-reflective
And i'm wanting to self-improve for her as well
Because that sticks
um
the
Yeah, yeah, I love that that's
that's um
One of the big reasons why i'm so dedicated to the passion pro.org project that I created
um, you know like I I didn't create that because i'm like god's gift to the world of you know
Oracle knowledge that's not the point. I just learned as at a young age to ask questions of people
To get to know them extremely sincerely and I started to see that my questions
would
mold people's direction and purpose
into
uh a new purpose one of the final questions in the form
being
What do you want to be remembered for?
um, and that's a fine question to ask but when out without the context of what are somebody's
Passions, what do they want to do with their time now?
Um, you know, what would their life change like what would their life look like if they had 100 million dollars?
What would they do with their time then what are your strengths and weaknesses? There's a whole there's a whole process
Of getting ourselves into a position to we're truly thinking about our best vision
Um, you know what we want to become at which point that question of what I what I want to be remembered for
Becomes far more valuable to
our own personal situations
Um, and when you have two people, you know that are trying to form a life together
If one is, you know, you don't always have the nolan ryan story. I'm watching the documentary right now
Uh, and that's nolan ryan is you know, um, it becomes this hall of fame baseball player. Um, and his wife
Um, you know didn't have any concept of what a life like that could look like her resilience loyalty, etc
Allowed them to you know, they they both found a way to find their way together. I don't know how they did it
I'm not saying passion pro is the only way to do it. Obviously for centuries people have figured this out
But if two people do not share a purpose of drive
Then it becomes it can very much become a divide in the relationship
And so how do you how do you inspire?
Your loved one to have the same drive as you I don't pretend to have that answer
But I do I would invite you to explore the value of that for the sake of your family's I would say
It's not about having the same drive
What is it about? I would say it's about
accepting their drive and where they are
because
they if
Both ways, right? Yeah, that's that that's the challenge is that i'm referring to but I like that equally yolks
It does not mean we both have to run five miles today. Um, right so good. Well said go ahead. That's right
And and it's also understanding
Um, like to make a relationship work
Especially a a romantic relationship and now i've only been married for three years. Yeah, so
Like take it with a grain of salt
I I did study
So much and like in those 10 years and still today about relationships and how relationships work
How to build them how to cultivate how to love like one of the best books out there is the five love languages another one is
is understanding personality traits and
I love the book the body keeps the score for like giving giving you the language to communicate
What you're feeling, you know the
And understanding how people react to different traumas that have happened in their life
Because the ultimate thing that's going to get in your in the way of your relationship
Is a trauma that happened in the past and that's still recurring today
That's preventing you from seeing them and loving them for who they are and and loving them the way they want to be loved
Yeah, so well said
I'd add a book to that
Um exact same thought process and that's feelings buried alive never die
And it's a powerful book on overcoming traumas as well
I'm gonna I would say with a healthy with a healthy direction for it. Um, you know, there's
Dealing with overcoming depth like that. You can drown in the depths that you dive into
But you can also explore depth with safety measures
Um, so jason, thank you for for diving into the depths of who you are as a human being
Also, um those who are listening in again jason's a fractional chief marketing officer
Who's got superpowers in hiring as as i've seen in this interview
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Can you join? Oh, man. I missed I missed his message on that
Well charles, you can uh definitely join us. Um, you know on the the next episode or of course
Um apply to to share your vision man
I'd be happy to look at your perspective and and see if it's also something that we should do a full episode on
Um, but i'm honored by the fact that you wanted to jump in so I appreciate that
We have a fantastic rest of your day jason anything else you want to share before we wrap up?
Um
when it comes to relationships
But I wish I had my wife here to kind of like help confirm that that what
What i'm saying is is helpful for her
She's the one where where having her here would really help to be like yes, he's he's doing it right because
She does say thank you
like one of one of the things that I always strive to do is is check in every night to make sure that
She's seen that she's she feels seen that she's feels loved
Um, and and if she doesn't what are different things I can do next?
either that night as we are finishing the night or
The next day to make sure that she is loved, you know, make sure that she knows she is loved and supported
That's profound dedication
What's great is by doing that. Sorry, i'll finish up just 10 seconds left
Uh by doing that she it also inspires her to do the same for me
so
And and and that's that's important. It goes both ways. I love I love that
I learned in feelings bernie live never die namaste
Aloha means my soul honors your soul more perfect as we are change is also perfect
And appreciate you exemplifying that jason for sharing so much wisdom with us and we will see you guys on the next episode
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