California. Where are you?
Woo! We are live. Santa Barbara. I'm in San Antonio, Texas. So
we're close in name. But I wouldn't walk to your house. So
the the books, yeah, let's talk about that. So in terms of
leadership, when you're helping leaders miraculously grow to
amazing heights of their teams, what books do you recommend?
What books should I pick up for my audible?
I went through this phase when I was younger reading every single
leadership book I could get my hands on. And then, for some
reason, I stopped and I started diving into other books. So ones
that I think have had an impact on me over the years, because
they got me thinking differently. A big one was Tim
Ferriss's four hour workweek. And not because I actually follow
it, but it kind of blew my mind at the time. And I thought, oh,
there is a different way to work. So that that was a good
one. I'm trying to think what's on there. Oh, man, I read this
really good book, what the heck was the title of it? And it was
this guy that talked about the impact of poverty on IQ. And it
was such a powerful book, I'm going to think of the title in a
second, because it really blew my mind. And it's one of the
rare books I read twice. So when it pops into my head, I'll
remember that but this guy didn't talk and and what you
realize is that kind of stress in your life actually reduces
your IQ. So that was sort of mind blowing. When I when I read
that book. And let me think of a third one that I think has been
really good. Gosh,
why you think of that? Well, it'll be awesome to everybody
who's listening. All of these links will be in the landing
page in the resource section. So once once she does think of it
will be added to it will also add the TED talk. Because I love
going to the TED talks and hearing more from the author.
And like how they put their voice to it. So that'd be cool.
Did you have a third book you wanted to go into?
I'm gonna think of it. I it's funny. Like I haven't read.
Actually, Walter Isaacson is love this answer. Yeah, his work
is great. I really enjoyed his book on Leonardo da Vinci. It
was really insightful gives you a really cool insight into
Leonardo da Vinci. I'm reading his newest one on Elon Musk. He's
such a wonderful author and he takes you right inside someone's
mind. So all of his books are great. But those are two that I
really enjoyed as well.
That's awesome. Okay, those are deep. You know, we normally get
like, you know, rich dad, poor dad and thinking girl Richard or
something that's super common. But I really, really enjoy that.
The first book you mentioned for our work week. I did the four
hour read for that like rather the four minute read version I
read the first two chapters like this is amazing. New Rich,
awesome concept. Thank you for the book. Right. And I and I
moved on. I was like, I can apply this. So that yeah, I
can't I can't recommend that book enough for helping people
shift their mindset from Wow, there's one dynamic way to do
life, you have to work 80 to 100 hours per week and and do the
corporate thing. Or, whoa, look at how Tim Ferriss has has done
things and had his cake. And he ate it all. And he's like, Oh,
I mean, I've got to be able to eat it all. Oh, man, he just
keeps on eating. He's never had anything like cake. And he ate
it too, or eats it too. Anyway, we'll be right back after the
break. And we'll dive right in to Taren story and vision. All
right, welcome in to Vision Pros live with Jackson Calame, I'm
your show host, we'll be doing interviews for visionary
entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic
Hey, what's up, Vision Pros?
Welcome in to another episode of Vision Pros Live.
I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO of First Class Business.
I'm excited to have Taryn Boggett on the stage today.
She works with CEOs, founders, entrepreneurs, and leaders on helping them build excellent
teams.
And she even uses the word miraculous, which I'm a big fan of, how to create miraculously
great teams.
We'll be talking about that in just a bit.
Before we dive into her story though and what her methodology is, how she does things,
we're going to dive into the sponsors.
So we've got the wellness shop 365 from Sean LeChuga.
And the wellness shop 365 focuses on integrative nutrition, health, and wellness.
And what really struck me about their vision was the fact that they've got this 365 wheel
of life.
And the 365 wheel of life helps one to think through what's your level of joy right now?
What's your spirituality?
What about your creativity, your home cooking?
It fascinated me that a wellness professional not only cares about the diet, the exercise,
and the supplements, but also is diving into what do you want most out of life?
And what's really cool is Taryn, her focus on helping CEOs and leaders ultimately has
that same effect.
She's bringing up questions like, what do you want to do to maximize your life?
One of the questions she asks is, what are you most excited about doing in life?
And what would it take for you to fully step into that?
If I were you, I'd consider writing those down and journaling those today that we can
think through intentionally how to maximize your own life.
Then there's the lawspot.com with Melissa Gray.
She was actually on our podcast.
That's how I met her.
And I was shocked to find an attorney who I wasn't intimidated by, somebody who could
easily intimidate me if she chose to, but at the same time was so nurturing in her nature
and explained concepts so simply.
I was like, wow, she really practices what she preaches in terms of making sure that
legal is not complicated for entrepreneurs and business owners, specifically small business
owners and medium sized businesses.
So if you do not have somebody on retainer right now, and do yourself a favor, if in
your head you're saying like, of course I have somebody on retainer because you're used
to reacting like that as an entrepreneur, protecting yourself.
Remember, it's okay.
95% of the entrepreneurs I've worked with, I can almost guarantee you did not know who
to turn to for legal counsel until the last minute when it becomes very expensive to find
somebody.
I would encourage you to at least reach out to her, get to know her and see what she's
up to, what she might have to offer in addition to the great templates that most of us start
with and use through things like Crocodoc or LegalZoom.
So with that said, we're going to dive into the water project as well.
And I will never take for granted.
And this is my way of not taking for granted stuff.
I will never take for granted the fact that this water bottle right here that I have is
so easy for me to get.
There are millions of people in this world who don't have access to clean drinking water.
And whether it's the children that have to skip school to go get water for the school
in the community or it's the parents who have to leave work and go find a source of water
or the grandparents, it just simultaneously breaks my heart but also allows me to step
into my best self and help out by remembering that these kids celebrate water like it's
Christmas Day.
And when we have the opportunity to contribute to one of these programs, the water project
shows you what community you're contributing to.
You actually get to select it and then you get to see the outcome as well.
And when somebody goes from finding unsafe, potentially unsafe sources of water miles
away to having a well or a sand dam right by their home, it can dramatically affect
their life for generations to come.
And you have the ability to make that impact.
Now, if you don't have the ability to give to the water project, my request would be
to simply trust yourself enough to share the message, share the link with your audience
or friend, let them know about it.
You never know.
You might inspire them to give $10,000 to the project and complete a couple of these
wells for people.
And the awesome impact that will have for decades on people is something worth meditating
and pondering on.
So without further ado, I'm going to bring up Taryn's website.
Let me do that because her branding is super on point.
I absolutely love the effort she's gone into defining what is she's bringing to people.
So some of the factors that I wanted to key in on were, how does it work?
Mission coaching for CEOs, organizational effectiveness consulting with CEOs, innovative
project consulting, transformative executive team retreats as well and leading those.
And of course, if you go to her website, you break down any 20s categories, you'll be able
to find out more.
But from defining her approach to also understanding the value of her presence and how she embodies
leadership through her cadence, just absolutely impressive.
So I'm going to stop raving about her and bring her on stage now.
Taryn, welcome to Vision Pros Live.
Oh, thank you, Jackson, so much for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
Absolutely.
Let's dive right in.
What's your vision for those that you serve, Taryn?
Always I am thinking about how can I bring all of my heart to help this person on their
journey that's always in the back of my mind is helping them on their journey with anything
that I have that would be useful to them.
Often what I find the universe match makes me with is people that need help in their
careers and whether I'm sitting on an airplane next to someone who's having a career crisis
or just people that I consult with or just friends and family, it seems to be that that's
where the universe likes to put me is in places where I can really help people see their genius
and tap into that thing that excites them and move in that direction.
So when I think about serving people, it's what do they need on their journey?
And often that is the thing that I feel like I can help the most with, but it's certainly
not the only thing.
I love that.
In fact, my humble opinion, what I've found out of life is when I've focused my life on
serving others or in this case, I think this is one of the best ways you can serve people
is if I were to focus every day on helping people see their genius, hence the happiness,
hence the aura that I see in front of me.
So vision pros, you have the opportunity to do the same, help people find their genius
as you do so.
You can make some amazing impact.
In fact, what would you say if somebody were to want to step in and do that for others,
Taryn, what would be your secret starter kit?
How do you do that?
How do you help somebody find their genius?
That's a great question.
First of all, intent.
You need intent.
This is what you intend to do.
I intend to help them see something inside of them they may not be able to see themselves,
see their greatness, see their genius, see their uniqueness.
Intent will guide a lot of focus.
So I would start there.
You have to want that.
And I think the reason I'm probably skilled at it is number one, I want that because I
enjoy it.
I find passion in it.
And it allows me to get better and better at doing it and more and more intuitive and
faster and faster.
And so if I was going to coach someone, I'd say intent.
Do you want to do that?
Is that something that excites you and lights your fire?
So great because there's a lot of wisdom that can be channeled through you to help somebody
else.
And then the second thing is really setting aside what you think someone needs and being
a really clear channel to really tap into their soul, their spirit, their heart, and
to hear and feel and see what the essence of someone is and bring that forward and use
your conversation and ideas to help kind of stoke that.
Maybe it's a tiny little flame, turn it into a roaring fire.
Wow.
That is huge.
You actually just refined my own process with that reality right there.
I would have answered questions, asking questions, but when you add intent in addition to it,
make sure that you're focused on that and setting our selfish natures aside.
We do have selfish natures.
And maybe anybody's welcome to argue with me on that, but as a baby, when we come out,
we need oxygen, we need food, we need water.
Babies are beautiful and they're awesome, but they have needs.
We still have needs as human beings.
And we sometimes, you know, 24-hour rule for an argument with somebody, we're usually just
hungry or tired when we get on edge.
So if I'm thinking about what I want to gain out of the person and my intent is not to
let go of my needs, let go of my own disposition, and I don't break into, well, what might they
want, then my questions aren't going to be on point as much as if I were to think through
what their needs were.
You got a thought.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Well, I think what you said, though, about asking questions is a really key part of this
because that when you think about someone's genius, like what is that, right?
Or where does genius start?
And genius always starts with the energy of excitement.
And so the questions that I ask are always trying to find that thread of excitement inside
somebody.
And sometimes it's easy, it's kind of right on the surface.
And sometimes it is really behind very thick stone walls and you've got to really get in
there.
And so those questions are the kind of questions that bring out that energy of excitement.
And when you can kind of latch onto it in someone and then ask more questions to stoke
that, that is really how you find someone's genius.
Absolutely.
That is so cool.
Let's talk about your personal vision now.
What's your vision for yourself?
I've gone through so many phases in my career, and I think the earlier phases were very me-focused.
What do I want in my career?
How do I get promoted?
How do I get these kinds of clients or this or that?
This later chapter of my career is much more focused on kind of everybody else.
How can I bring all of this to serve everyone else on their journey, to help them be the
greatest versions of themselves, to help them achieve more than maybe they thought possible,
or to step into an excitement that really creates this deep fulfillment in their life?
And so my vision for myself is really to be of service in that way to everybody else and
kind of create as many fires around the planet as I can inside people's hearts.
Awesome.
I love it.
That's something that I've seen a lot more leaders.
I've seen more leaders stepping into it in the last 10 years, and it's not because, I
don't think it's because more are doing it per se.
It's not like the past four years, you know, people didn't care, but we have so much public
visibility due to the online world where you can see what people are up to.
And the one who you remind me of actually that I thought was Chip Conley.
Chip Conley, who wrote Peak and who ran Joy De Voie and was on the board of directors
for Airbnb in the early days of it launching.
He's moved to Austin, Texas from San Francisco, and he's opened this like man tribe thing
for men who are trying to looking for purpose, I believe, after they've finished their career.
They're kind of stepping into that zone that you're stepping into.
And it's awesome to see people making that type of a shift where they're driving more
balance to the world.
And years past, you know, back to our work week, I think a lot of people, you know, there's
a very common phrase that came up, which was nobody says on their tombstone, I wish I had
worked more.
You know, and so it seems like more people are gravitating towards realizing like, you
know, there's more to this life.
Why don't we figure that out?
Have you seen a similar trend or have you seen the opposite?
Oh, a hundred percent.
And I would definitely call it a trend.
I think you're really on point here.
And it's funny, I've been spending a lot of time on LinkedIn lately and you really see
that at every level of the organization, people just pulling back a little bit because it
has been this workaholic culture.
And I live in California where it is especially workaholic.
And I think people are realizing I need some balance in my life.
I want to create more joy.
I want more memories.
I want to travel.
I want to have hobbies.
And it's not that they don't care about their work.
They still care very deeply.
It's just trying to find some balance in their life.
And I think that's a trend amongst every layer in the organization.
Awesome.
Well, it's a good trend.
Let's keep it up everybody.
You know, let's keep aiming for that balance and looking at what's most important in life.
Not dictated by me, not dictated by Taryn, but within yourself.
You know, what do you feel?
What do you see?
What's your purpose?
The truth too, I mean, and this is sort of an intuitive truth is that when you're really
excited about something, you want to work on it.
You're jazzed.
It provides this fuel of fire in you to keep going.
And the thing is that when you, you can't be in that excited energy forever at that
pace.
It's usually at the beginning of something when you're all jazzed and that's okay.
So it's not like life is this, you know, constant, you know, I'm just balanced all the time.
I mean, sometimes there's these peaks and these valleys.
I mean, I just came off of taking some time off from, from my work.
I just needed a deeper recharge.
And so, and yet here I am all fired up coming out of that.
I wouldn't say hitting it hard, but the way hitting it hard because I'm fired up about
it right now.
And so it's not constant, but when we're working and there's not that excitement present, that's
where burnout comes from.
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
Taylor Welch talks about clean energy and dirty energy and how both of them are really
important.
Clean energy describes for dirty energy as a hype song to get you ready to get on stage
or to go perform at a trade show, you know, and a rah rah session.
And it's meant for your sprints and life and clean energy is one in which, you know, it's,
it's drinking your water for the day.
It's getting, it's walking, taking a walk around the block, getting some sunshine.
It's going up to random stranger, giving them $5 and walking away, you know, and, and, or,
you know, a street corner, giving away a nutrient grain bar or a bottle of water to somebody
who needs it.
And that's your marathon style energy.
And when he, when he, when he put it that way, I was like, Whoa, I'm, I can out teach
this and I couldn't teach it before.
It was just something that was part of, of who I was and like how I do things.
And when you live with that purpose, you, you do gravitate towards an ability to sustain,
but we're not talking about grind, right?
That's difference.
We're not talking about staying in that, in that dirty energy at all times.
And dirty energy is not a bad thing.
It's just the title that they use to describe the difference in the two types of energy
sources that we have.
But some people confuse fun and happiness to very, very different realities, both important
fireworks show versus fantastic day.
Um, you know, there's, there's different elements, different timings.
And when we learn to see that and appreciate that in the world, um, you know, we can usually
appreciate the world more when the fireworks shows not going versus being disappointed
that the fireworks show is over.
Speaking of a fireworks show being over diving into the darker side of this conversation,
what would you say is your worst leadership experience ever?
You know, funny enough, it was probably my own.
So you have these moments where they are so, they are so profound that they shape you for
the rest of your life.
And for me, this happened when I was, I think 16 and even at a young age, I always did leadership
stuff in school.
I was captain of my soccer team and I think I was a junior.
This is my junior year of high school and we had the most terrible coach.
I mean, she was embarrassing.
I mean, she wasn't a great soccer coach, but she was just really embarrassing on the sideline.
She threw her clipboard down and make this big scene.
Just really not very classy.
And I was really upset by this and rather, I'll tell you what I should have done, but
I'll tell you what I did do first.
What I did do was I complained about it to my whole team and I was the team captain sitting
here complaining to everybody about how horrible this coach was and kind of creating a negativity
spiral around it.
Cause of course everyone agreed.
And so we just got in this negativity complaining spiral about how terrible our coach was.
And some of this got back to her.
I mean, I don't know how, but I'm some way and she pulled me aside and called me out
on it.
And I had this moment where I thought, oh my gosh, this was not my highest integrity
as a leader of this team, as a team captain.
And it was a very defining moment of when you're a leader at any level, you can't let
somebody else dictate how great you are.
And that's what I was doing.
I was letting her behavior determine how I showed up.
And I was really unhappy with myself in that number one, for not being a good leader on
my team and being more positive and number two, not modeling of like, forget what she's
doing.
What are we doing?
And we're going to be successful regardless of what she's doing.
And that would have been the opportunity to provide better leadership.
So I've carried that lesson with me forward through all these years of it doesn't matter
how great or terrible your boss is or the CEO of a company is, how successful are you
going to be?
Don't let them determine your success.
Do you determine your success?
Do you determine your leadership?
And even if you can't stand the person that you are under, if you will, don't let them
determine how brightly you shine.
That was my lesson.
Wow.
As a huge lesson took me till at least at least my mid twenties.
I was trying to find that spot and I was like, Oh, it's probably 19.
No, it's probably 20.
No, I just kept going through it.
I was like, man, it took a long time for me to pick up what you're putting down right
now.
So I mean, I, I, I, maybe I sound like a saint in this story.
I have had certainly moments over my career where I had to pull myself back and remind
myself of that younger terror that, that learned that lesson.
Cause I have, I have not been perfect, but I do think about it often.
You know, well said.
And I'm glad you, I'm glad you're bringing that up because a lot of leaders in the world
are, I don't think they're scared to bring that up, but you just don't think they know
how to bring up the reality that most of the audience benefits so much when they see us
fall on our face, when they see us, you know, be human.
And it's not because it's like, Oh, you know, and a lot of the world will make fun of it.
You know, it's, it's fun to make jokes.
You know, it's so easy to make a meme these days.
And so people do it.
And I think most people who make them, they don't have the intent to be evil.
They're just seizing the opportunity to be a little movie producer, um, in order to be
a little producer of something that people care about and find, uh, attractive if you
will.
Um, but when Tiger Woods, uh, when I saw him golfing and he was right by the green
and he, he hits the ball and it goes, boom, it goes all the way to the other side of the
green off of it.
And I'm like, he does it too.
And then he went to chase it down, you know, and he does it.
He did it again.
And then he did it again.
He did it three times in a row.
And I was like, Oh, I don't feel so bad.
I was like, I always watch the highlights and see these guys hit perfect shots.
I don't see when they make their mistakes.
But as soon as I saw him make his mistakes, I wasn't like, Oh, he's a terrible person.
I look at him.
He doesn't know how to play.
You got all the trophies in the world.
But it gave me a chance to feel like I belong on the golf course.
Maybe people would disagree with that, but nonetheless, I feel better about my opportunities
rise up and try.
So what's your best leadership experience look like?
You know, it's so hard sometimes to own our greatness, but it's such a great question
because it requires us to do that.
Honestly, the, the one of the, one of the best was actually quite recent.
Um, I got called in to help a company with a pretty dramatic turnaround.
This company was really about to fail and it was owned by a private equity firm.
It still is actually owned by a private equity firm.
And they called me in sort of as a hail Mary to help the CEO and the team.
And it was clear that the CEO wasn't the right fit.
Um, and so there was a transition there, but I pulled the team together and we did an
offsite and I led this offsite for three days.
And it was an incredible experience to be the leader of that, where I had to get this
whole executive team redirected on a new strategy shifted in their energy and working together
in a way that they hadn't before.
And it took, it took 30 years of experience for that moment to be able to do that and
to, to allow the new foundation to be built for this turnaround.
You know, they are doing much better.
I mean, there's still a road in front of them, but they were doing much better, but I felt
like it brought everything I had together in a singular three day offsite retreat to
be able to help that team.
That is amazing.
And here's why, um, I don't know, I don't always use these words to describe the answers
of the people who are on the show, by the way.
Um, I'm not a big fan of hyperbole.
Like I'll, I'll pull what I need to out of what's there, but these are super core concepts
to practices that we model at first-class business.
And what it sounds like to me is Patrick Lincione and his book, the five dysfunctions of a team,
it sounds like he shadowed you and wrote the book about you.
Um, have you read that book before?
Gosh, years ago I did.
Oh, okay.
So, okay.
He didn't write the book about you then, um, but you've emulated and implemented that system.
In fact, like we're so dedicated to the concept of what you just said, um, and, and bringing
the team members together, um, making sure that we're, we're accounting for what opportunities
we have.
I'm going to showcase, uh, thank you, Cynthia, by the way, shout out to Cynthia who helped
me design this, but the five dysfunctions of the team concept include taking a team
from a low performance situation and inspiring them and helping them to get to a high performance
position of collaboration, which includes debate and healthy conflict.
And I love that he breaks down these concepts of, uh, this, this basically this pyramid
and base of if you don't have trust, you can't establish healthy conflict.
You'll have fear of it.
If you don't have healthy conflict, you won't have a true sense of commitment and you've
got to have accountability into this process.
You've got to, if you want to drive high end results to, you've got to have commitment
to it as a team.
And the left side represents the symptoms of, and seeing, okay, if my company is going
around problems, not confronting tough issues, or we have lack of trans trans transparency,
that means that we're in the low performance team category, the dysfunctional team.
But if we're seeking input from each other without politics or confronting problems,
developing practical solutions, then those are symptoms and signs that we are functioning
as a high performance team.
So you decided to go to that retreat and that's the part of the book where if you haven't
listened to that book, I highly recommend it so much that every single employee and
team member who joins first class business that is required reading or required listening
on audible for the first week.
You cannot work with our company if you don't listen to that because you will not be ready
for the culture that we've set up.
You won't know how to perform in it because 99% of companies out there have fairly dysfunctional
operation styles.
That's my personal opinion and take.
So these retreats, what do you do at the retreat that helps people move forward?
Is it beer pong all day, all night?
That'd be fun.
The thing about off sites, executive team off sites or any team off site, or longer
format team meeting, whether it's a day or a couple of days, it's really about energy
management and you've got to think of it as a facilitator like that, which is what's
the energy I need to set in the room to accomplish what we need to get done?
And depending on what you need to accomplish is the energy that needs to get not just set
but maintained over the day.
And when in this particular case, these were long days, this team had a big distance to
go in a short amount of time and they were long 10, 12 hour days just by the time you
had breakfast and wrapped up at dinner and sustaining that kind of energy over that long
is crucial to getting the results that you want.
So people don't think about this or talk about it, but it really is about energy management
first and foremost, more than anything.
So just to give you an example, every morning before I start a retreat, we set intentions
and they're not like, I hope that today this and that these are like commands of the universe
I intend that today we are going to have genius shine through us and we're going to have solutions
to our problems.
Like I intend this, they're powerful commands.
And yeah, no, so you command it.
And that's how we start every day and everybody does it for themselves.
And I set them to actually, I should even take a step back before that happens.
I set the energy in the room before anyone even walks in because every space has kind
of the lingering energy from what was there before.
And it's important to clear that energy out of a room and to call in the energy that you're
wanting and then everybody walks in the door kind of in a vibe that I want them in.
And then we start the day with that.
And then depending on what we need to get done today, we'll determine kind of the next
activity I start with.
Often it's a creativity exercise because a lot of times my off sites need some kind
of creativity element to them, you know, whether it's brainstorming strategies or thinking
through ideas or this or that.
And so we'll spend, you know, 30, 40 minutes on a creativity exercise because you got to
warm up the brain.
You can't just dive right into creativity.
You got to warm up.
And then often, you know, sort of throughout the day, another way I manage energy is pausing.
Sometimes we do exercises just to kind of move the body because it's a lot of sitting.
But just I call it kind of high end manifesting where you imagine that the thing you want
is already done.
The success that we're looking for has already happened on some timeline in the universe.
And if we can align to that timeline of success already being done, then everything just kind
of flows a little easier.
So a lot of times my exercises are about getting in that energy where it's already done.
Success is already here and it just creates more flow, not just in the offsite, but in
after what happens.
So those are kind of energy management tips.
And then there's all the, you know, the agenda, the exercises and stuff, depending on what
we're trying to achieve.
But that is where the Vagic is.
That is awesome.
High end manifesting.
That is so cool.
No wonder you achieve miraculous transformations with individuals.
That makes a lot of sense.
And so what I also hear you saying is, you know, there's this saying that I'm not a big
fan of, but it led me to incubate a new saying.
It was strong opinions loosely held, which to me feels sounds irresponsible.
But I like the idea of strong opinions delicately held, you know, where you're taking care of
that opinion still.
You're not just going to drop it on accident.
With your case, you have a framework.
You have certain ideas and structure that's there.
And it sounds like you're not, but you're not like rigid about how the retreat runs.
You have the ability to mold and shift based on the type of company you're in.
You can't.
I have an agenda before the retreat starts and it's minute by minute.
Here's what we're doing.
Here's what we're going to achieve.
And then of course, once it starts, this is where the loosely held comes into place.
You've got to flow where the energy is.
Once the team is on such a roll with something, in this particular case, I was just talking
about it.
There was a reorg that was needed as part of this transformation and they were on such
a roll and the problem they were trying to solve was actually quite complicated.
And I allotted, I want to say an hour, it took six.
And yet the end was this sort of brilliant new design.
And had I stopped at the hour, we would have never gotten there.
And, and yet that framed every, every other success they had after that.
So yeah, you might say it's a rigid agenda loosely held her rigid design of an agenda
loosely held.
I like that.
I believe that most of the best of the best of the best actors follow the same type of
acting.
That's why they get the parts over and over is they have the ability to improv, but they're
not always improving and throwing off the rest of the cast.
They know when to do it.
And they have the ability to pull that out when it's when the opportune moment arises
and they're good at balancing when that happens.
We do the same thing as leaders.
Before we go into your most powerful lesson that, and again, I want you to think of the,
this is a last chance you had to share a powerful lesson with visionaries ever.
Then what would be the one they could learn from your experience?
But before we go into that, in terms of your teams, if you're listening in, you're like,
man, I can't drive miracles in my team.
You know, if you're kind of at that position where you've lost hope and some of these circumstances,
I want you to remember that that's the point of going from the rigid nature to understand
like maybe you need to take a step back on this.
And I'll give a couple examples.
If you drive, if your team is 30 people who work in a coal mine, honor the fact that their
job, what they do for a day to day basis is not driven around creativity.
In fact, they're probably told not to be creative, right?
You're supposed to follow protocols and stay safe.
And so if you're, if you're driven by protocols and staying safe every single day, then it's
going to be a little bit harder to dive into your creative side.
You're going to need more nurturing.
You're going to need more inspiration and maybe nurturing comes in the form of a beer.
You know, maybe nurturing comes in the form of, you know, bringing a football, you know,
and throwing that around for a little bit first.
That's where the intentionality that Taryn talks about is so important is looking, thinking,
and okay, maybe they're not going to want to start with a meditative yoga session with
this group, but maybe again, think through your mind, your heart, your gut.
What is it telling you about how can I incorporate this so that my people can gain their next
step in intentionality, not necessarily become Gandhi or Buddha tomorrow?
Powerful lesson.
What powerful lesson would you share with us, Taryn, that, that, you know, this is the
last chance that we can learn from?
This one took me a while to learn.
And I have been a student of leadership since I was very small.
It's just been a passion of mine.
And yet this lesson came in a very unexpected way, more on my spiritual journey than my
leadership journey.
And it is this lesson of when we are the most energetically powerful we can be within, we
can hold the space for everyone to come match us or meet us.
And so this is actually related in a way to what I was saying at the offsite.
It's when I can hold the energy in a certain way, it makes everybody else come up and match
me at that energy.
And the more powerfully I hold it, the easier it is for them to match me.
And so as leaders, we're often thinking about, you know, all the things we've got to get
done, all the people we have to serve and the strategy and the budgets and the boards
and the this and the that.
But at the end of the day, what actually makes a great leader is the ones that can hold their
energy really strong and let everyone match to that.
And so if what you're wanting is a great team, you've got to hold the energy of greatness
and excitement and success within you, because everyone will come match up to that.
And I could go deep with this concept.
I mean, what I always say is that leaders, it's a holographic experience.
If you take a CEO, the organization is a hologram of that CEO.
You see all of the issues and dysfunctions of the leaders show up in the organization
somewhere, and all of the greatness and the genius and all that also show up.
So if you want your organization to be great, be a more healed hologram, you know, a version
of yourself so you can be the hologram can also be more healed.
And so when we can get really healthy within ourselves, we can hold a really high vibration
within ourselves, we can hold the energy we're wanting everyone else to have that is power.
That's huge.
I could let you go on that for hours.
That is super deep.
Everybody is listening, and what that reminds me of is Tony Robbins.
And there's actually two leaders that came to mind and realized, you know, okay, there's
like with all opportunities for energy, you can use it for good and you can use it for
bad.
Fire is an example of that, right?
This fire right here, this flame does not hurt me to touch and utilize.
But you know, if I leave a candle irresponsibly, you know, in a room and it melts and knocks
over and burns my house down, that energy can ruin my life, so to speak.
Tony Robbins represents that great energy to me of somebody who holds his energy and
people gravitate towards it, even when you're watching like the I am not your guru on Netflix
or whatever.
It's like you're there, you know, you can feel him do that scream.
He's got a powerful feel.
The other person who uses it, I love him as a human being.
I hope that he puts his methods in check, but it would be Grant Cardone, who also it's
very hard to ignore the energy that he has and puts out there.
And I see a lot of people gravitate towards that and put themselves in a position of subordination
where they then get dictated what to do.
And you know, for Grant, it works.
You know, his power does work and it does drive people towards following him and doing
what he wants them to do.
But as human beings, if we can all learn to leverage that same energetic power, we can
help people rise up.
Now, again, I don't want to villainize an individual.
That's not the goal.
But I would like to explore maybe going away from the two examples a little bit.
How do I control my ability or harness my ability, is probably the better word, to match,
to bring my best energy to the table, Taryn, without suffocating the needs of somebody
around me?
Like if somebody had a relative pass away, right?
I'm coming in with a vibrant energy or somebody else has COVID in the company or somebody
else has whatever else going on.
How do you make space for other people's energies while maintaining your own super powerful
presence?
I think that's a great question.
I think it's about not needing them to be anything other than what they are.
I mean, if they're going through something and they're in a sad space, do you need them
to be different?
You know?
No.
Or, you know, does this moment call for them to be something different?
It might, but it's not needing people to be a certain way.
It's trusting that when you're that way, they have free will to choose to match you
or not.
And just through sort of the vibrational laws of the universe, it will help them out of
their funk when you're just in a good space.
I can't tell you how many leaders always tell me, God, Taryn, at the end of this call,
I just feel so much better because I do a lot of coaching.
And they came in grumpy and they left, you know, feeling fabulous.
And it's purely because I held my energy constant.
I didn't need them to change.
They just changed to match me.
And so that's just kind of how it works.
And so you hold space for everybody to be able to be with you.
So is there space to cry with somebody who needs a shoulder or is there not?
Just to dive a little bit deeper.
Oh, for sure.
I mean, again, it's like, what is the energy in the moment?
I mean, sometimes the energy in the moment is compassion or sometimes it's vulnerability
or sometimes it's admitting you were wrong and just being humble.
I mean, these are all great energies, right?
So it's for me getting clear, I was like, what does this moment need from me?
And how do I show up with that energy in a way that helps others, you know, just by kind
of being with me in that?
And there's been plenty of times when I've sat in front of my team and I admitted to
something I made a mistake on, you know, and like, that's okay, because that's the energy
of vulnerability.
And it provides a moment for everyone else to be vulnerable, too, right?
So it's not always like the Tony Robbins like, rah, rah, rah, power.
Like that's a great energy because sometimes you need that.
And there are moments when that is incredibly powerful.
And sometimes you need to be soft and sometimes you need to be vulnerable.
And sometimes you need to, you know, have a minute yourself and be sad.
Like these are all okay.
It's just getting clear for yourself, just knowing that wherever you're at, people are
going to match you if you're holding a powerful field.
Right, right.
Absolutely.
That is also one of those things I saw about Tony watching the I'm Not Your Guru is his
ability when he was talking to people about their suicide, you know, attempts.
His ability to move towards his comfort and his compassion.
And he's not perfect at it.
He's not the perfect example in the world.
I don't think anybody is.
But there are other leaders out there who we can gravitate towards watching as well
and seeing how do they facilitate these different types of moments in order to meet people with
that right energy.
Any other examples on the market that you would kind of point to and say, I really like
how they show up with that same fortitude that you're referencing.
Oh, man, the master that I know is Matt Conn.
And if you don't follow Matt Conn, he is worth checking out.
I think it's mattconn.org.
He's a spiritual teacher and he's a very heart centered spiritual teacher.
And he's certainly been someone I have resonated with deeply over the last number of years.
And he holds a powerful field of love.
And when you're in his bubble long enough, you get right there too.
And yet he doesn't need you to be any which way.
Yeah, thank you for that.
That's huge.
And so vision pros, you know, if that's something that you're working on right now as a leader,
then again, you've now got yet another person who's who you can watch what's going on, what
are they putting down?
You know, what can you pick up from on that?
If there's other things that that you need to work on, then maybe save it and bookmark
it for later.
I just pulled that tab open.
So when the right timing is can hit me, I can dive in and intentionally play with that.
So looking at creating miraculously good leaders and teams, do you have any final thoughts
on any other things you want to share about the process?
What does that look like?
What can what can visionaries do right now?
Other than, of course, what we're going to have them do, which is we're going to give
them the opportunity to go to your landing page, you know, in the show notes, go and
see what resources you have and follow you subscribe to your methods.
But right here now, is there anything that you'd like to share about creating miraculously
good leaders and teams?
What I would say is I think there is truly genius and greatness inside of everybody.
And I think it's easy to lose sight of that just living life sometimes.
And what makes the word the reason I use the word miraculous is that when you can, or when
anyone can, whether it's a CEO, a leader, a leadership team, or, you know, even the
most sort of new person in the organization or most entry level, the principles are the
same, which is when you can really tap into your heart, what you want, your excitement,
your desire, and you can do that.
That's what creates miracles, right?
It's that energy of excitement that is the energy of miracles.
It's you know, when you're in that energy of excitement, doors start flying open.
When you're in the energy of grumpy or angry or upset or, you know, slogging away, it tends
to be when doors close.
I mean, that's just sort of how the universe works.
So yeah, and if you want the doors to open, be excited.
I mean, and really find it in your heart, not from a space of ego, but from a space
of what is my soul excited about, like what genuinely lights my body up in excitement
and move from that space.
And whether the excitement is, you know, in this moment, what's going to excite me is
going for a walk or watching a movie or having dinner with friends, or it's I'm going to
launch this thing out in the world.
It doesn't every moment doesn't need to be some epic thing.
It can be something quite simple.
And yet when you're in that energy, life will become a lot easier.
Absolutely.
That's awesome.
You know, and to double down on that, yes, the windows of opportunities will, they're
there.
You know, you're knocking and asking for it, whether you want to or not every single day
with your actions, your thoughts, the way you behave.
I come from a family, my dad's side of the family, where if I chose to dive into my worst
self, and I chose to start doing, you know, started diving into alcohol, started diving
into drugs, a number of them would reach out to me and be like, hey, come on over and come
hang out.
And that's what I mean.
The bad doors would open.
There are people in your life that will gravitate towards you based on the type of energy that
you were you're willing to put down.
So if you find yourself in that situation, you may have a great opportunity to start
saying, you know what?
Maybe I need to start closing my negative doors.
You know, maybe it's time for me to turn away from those and turn towards positive opportunities
and look for people who can, who also are attracted to that and learn to respect their
space more.
It's a hard transition.
Again, I had to make it from a young age and grow out of it.
And it was a few decades long process.
So it doesn't matter where you're at.
Does it matter if you're 60?
Does it matter if you're six years old?
You still have the same opportunities to decide what type of energy you want to hold in the
world.
And Taryn Bogat, for me, is obviously one of the best leaders you can go to and talk
to about the experience and find out more.
So we'll have her resources in the show notes.
If you have a vision as well, if you've got a vision that's wholesome, that you want to
get out to the world and maybe you are the next Elon Musk or Melinda and Bill Gates,
I saw that as one of your references, Taryn, of companies that you've worked with and SpaceX
as well.
If you see Elon Musk and you want to share that on our stage, by all means, apply to
be our guest on the page.
And in addition to that, if your vision, you know, if you're like, man, my vision is small.
I don't think anybody would care about it.
I don't think Jackson would.
Uh-uh, you're wrong.
If it's wholesome, if it's positive, if it's uplifting one or two other people, we very
well might bring you on stage to talk about it because, you know, all good, all good change,
all people who have a vision to help others is something worth celebrating.
And I'd love to meet you.
So without further ado, thank you guys for coming in for this episode.
Taryn, thank you for being here today.
This was amazing.
Thank you so much for having me.
It was a really great conversation, Jackson.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
I'll see you on the other side.
Thank you for being here today.
I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.
I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward.
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And thank you for giving us your time and attention.
Have an excellent time building out your vision.