1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,240 California. Where are you? 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:07,000 Woo! We are live. Santa Barbara. I'm in San Antonio, Texas. So 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:13,880 we're close in name. But I wouldn't walk to your house. So 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,120 the the books, yeah, let's talk about that. So in terms of 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,400 leadership, when you're helping leaders miraculously grow to 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,520 amazing heights of their teams, what books do you recommend? 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,120 What books should I pick up for my audible? 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,000 I went through this phase when I was younger reading every single 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,200 leadership book I could get my hands on. And then, for some 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,680 reason, I stopped and I started diving into other books. So ones 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,480 that I think have had an impact on me over the years, because 12 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,880 they got me thinking differently. A big one was Tim 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,760 Ferriss's four hour workweek. And not because I actually follow 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,200 it, but it kind of blew my mind at the time. And I thought, oh, 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,720 there is a different way to work. So that that was a good 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:01:00,560 one. I'm trying to think what's on there. Oh, man, I read this 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,640 really good book, what the heck was the title of it? And it was 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:09,520 this guy that talked about the impact of poverty on IQ. And it 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,440 was such a powerful book, I'm going to think of the title in a 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,880 second, because it really blew my mind. And it's one of the 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,120 rare books I read twice. So when it pops into my head, I'll 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,160 remember that but this guy didn't talk and and what you 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,760 realize is that kind of stress in your life actually reduces 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,080 your IQ. So that was sort of mind blowing. When I when I read 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,280 that book. And let me think of a third one that I think has been 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,040 really good. Gosh, 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,400 why you think of that? Well, it'll be awesome to everybody 28 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,520 who's listening. All of these links will be in the landing 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,600 page in the resource section. So once once she does think of it 30 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,280 will be added to it will also add the TED talk. Because I love 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,600 going to the TED talks and hearing more from the author. 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,240 And like how they put their voice to it. So that'd be cool. 33 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,200 Did you have a third book you wanted to go into? 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,640 I'm gonna think of it. I it's funny. Like I haven't read. 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,240 Actually, Walter Isaacson is love this answer. Yeah, his work 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,480 is great. I really enjoyed his book on Leonardo da Vinci. It 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,600 was really insightful gives you a really cool insight into 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,880 Leonardo da Vinci. I'm reading his newest one on Elon Musk. He's 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,680 such a wonderful author and he takes you right inside someone's 40 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,680 mind. So all of his books are great. But those are two that I 41 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:18,680 really enjoyed as well. 42 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,400 That's awesome. Okay, those are deep. You know, we normally get 43 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,280 like, you know, rich dad, poor dad and thinking girl Richard or 44 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,040 something that's super common. But I really, really enjoy that. 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,000 The first book you mentioned for our work week. I did the four 46 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,520 hour read for that like rather the four minute read version I 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,800 read the first two chapters like this is amazing. New Rich, 48 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,640 awesome concept. Thank you for the book. Right. And I and I 49 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:47,160 moved on. I was like, I can apply this. So that yeah, I 50 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,760 can't I can't recommend that book enough for helping people 51 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,880 shift their mindset from Wow, there's one dynamic way to do 52 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,560 life, you have to work 80 to 100 hours per week and and do the 53 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:03,280 corporate thing. Or, whoa, look at how Tim Ferriss has has done 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:09,360 things and had his cake. And he ate it all. And he's like, Oh, 55 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,160 I mean, I've got to be able to eat it all. Oh, man, he just 56 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,720 keeps on eating. He's never had anything like cake. And he ate 57 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,280 it too, or eats it too. Anyway, we'll be right back after the 58 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,280 break. And we'll dive right in to Taren story and vision. All 59 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,440 right, welcome in to Vision Pros live with Jackson Calame, I'm 60 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,080 your show host, we'll be doing interviews for visionary 61 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,720 entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic 62 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,720 Hey, what's up, Vision Pros? 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,040 Welcome in to another episode of Vision Pros Live. 64 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,800 I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO of First Class Business. 65 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,200 I'm excited to have Taryn Boggett on the stage today. 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:52,600 She works with CEOs, founders, entrepreneurs, and leaders on helping them build excellent 67 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:53,600 teams. 68 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:59,320 And she even uses the word miraculous, which I'm a big fan of, how to create miraculously 69 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:00,320 great teams. 70 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,320 We'll be talking about that in just a bit. 71 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:07,040 Before we dive into her story though and what her methodology is, how she does things, 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,820 we're going to dive into the sponsors. 73 00:04:09,820 --> 00:04:13,840 So we've got the wellness shop 365 from Sean LeChuga. 74 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,920 And the wellness shop 365 focuses on integrative nutrition, health, and wellness. 75 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,320 And what really struck me about their vision was the fact that they've got this 365 wheel 76 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,320 of life. 77 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:29,660 And the 365 wheel of life helps one to think through what's your level of joy right now? 78 00:04:29,660 --> 00:04:31,280 What's your spirituality? 79 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:34,040 What about your creativity, your home cooking? 80 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:42,600 It fascinated me that a wellness professional not only cares about the diet, the exercise, 81 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:48,200 and the supplements, but also is diving into what do you want most out of life? 82 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,920 And what's really cool is Taryn, her focus on helping CEOs and leaders ultimately has 83 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,920 that same effect. 84 00:04:54,920 --> 00:05:00,640 She's bringing up questions like, what do you want to do to maximize your life? 85 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,960 One of the questions she asks is, what are you most excited about doing in life? 86 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,800 And what would it take for you to fully step into that? 87 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,480 If I were you, I'd consider writing those down and journaling those today that we can 88 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,440 think through intentionally how to maximize your own life. 89 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,320 Then there's the lawspot.com with Melissa Gray. 90 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,920 She was actually on our podcast. 91 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,320 That's how I met her. 92 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:27,040 And I was shocked to find an attorney who I wasn't intimidated by, somebody who could 93 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:33,040 easily intimidate me if she chose to, but at the same time was so nurturing in her nature 94 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,840 and explained concepts so simply. 95 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:38,960 I was like, wow, she really practices what she preaches in terms of making sure that 96 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,280 legal is not complicated for entrepreneurs and business owners, specifically small business 97 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:47,000 owners and medium sized businesses. 98 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,920 So if you do not have somebody on retainer right now, and do yourself a favor, if in 99 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,200 your head you're saying like, of course I have somebody on retainer because you're used 100 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,560 to reacting like that as an entrepreneur, protecting yourself. 101 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,040 Remember, it's okay. 102 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:06,160 95% of the entrepreneurs I've worked with, I can almost guarantee you did not know who 103 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:11,200 to turn to for legal counsel until the last minute when it becomes very expensive to find 104 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,200 somebody. 105 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,800 I would encourage you to at least reach out to her, get to know her and see what she's 106 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,820 up to, what she might have to offer in addition to the great templates that most of us start 107 00:06:20,820 --> 00:06:24,600 with and use through things like Crocodoc or LegalZoom. 108 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,040 So with that said, we're going to dive into the water project as well. 109 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,080 And I will never take for granted. 110 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,520 And this is my way of not taking for granted stuff. 111 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:39,120 I will never take for granted the fact that this water bottle right here that I have is 112 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,680 so easy for me to get. 113 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,640 There are millions of people in this world who don't have access to clean drinking water. 114 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,320 And whether it's the children that have to skip school to go get water for the school 115 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,640 in the community or it's the parents who have to leave work and go find a source of water 116 00:06:54,640 --> 00:07:01,240 or the grandparents, it just simultaneously breaks my heart but also allows me to step 117 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,960 into my best self and help out by remembering that these kids celebrate water like it's 118 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:07,960 Christmas Day. 119 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,360 And when we have the opportunity to contribute to one of these programs, the water project 120 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,480 shows you what community you're contributing to. 121 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,240 You actually get to select it and then you get to see the outcome as well. 122 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:25,480 And when somebody goes from finding unsafe, potentially unsafe sources of water miles 123 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,880 away to having a well or a sand dam right by their home, it can dramatically affect 124 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,600 their life for generations to come. 125 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,200 And you have the ability to make that impact. 126 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,600 Now, if you don't have the ability to give to the water project, my request would be 127 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,320 to simply trust yourself enough to share the message, share the link with your audience 128 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,920 or friend, let them know about it. 129 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:44,920 You never know. 130 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,200 You might inspire them to give $10,000 to the project and complete a couple of these 131 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,040 wells for people. 132 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,800 And the awesome impact that will have for decades on people is something worth meditating 133 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,080 and pondering on. 134 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,680 So without further ado, I'm going to bring up Taryn's website. 135 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,120 Let me do that because her branding is super on point. 136 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:11,720 I absolutely love the effort she's gone into defining what is she's bringing to people. 137 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:17,480 So some of the factors that I wanted to key in on were, how does it work? 138 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:23,120 Mission coaching for CEOs, organizational effectiveness consulting with CEOs, innovative 139 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:29,520 project consulting, transformative executive team retreats as well and leading those. 140 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,080 And of course, if you go to her website, you break down any 20s categories, you'll be able 141 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,080 to find out more. 142 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:41,000 But from defining her approach to also understanding the value of her presence and how she embodies 143 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,200 leadership through her cadence, just absolutely impressive. 144 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,600 So I'm going to stop raving about her and bring her on stage now. 145 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,880 Taryn, welcome to Vision Pros Live. 146 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,960 Oh, thank you, Jackson, so much for having me. 147 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,480 I'm excited to be here. 148 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:58,480 Absolutely. 149 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,760 Let's dive right in. 150 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:05,760 What's your vision for those that you serve, Taryn? 151 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:11,120 Always I am thinking about how can I bring all of my heart to help this person on their 152 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,760 journey that's always in the back of my mind is helping them on their journey with anything 153 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,520 that I have that would be useful to them. 154 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,440 Often what I find the universe match makes me with is people that need help in their 155 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,520 careers and whether I'm sitting on an airplane next to someone who's having a career crisis 156 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:33,520 or just people that I consult with or just friends and family, it seems to be that that's 157 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:38,280 where the universe likes to put me is in places where I can really help people see their genius 158 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:43,320 and tap into that thing that excites them and move in that direction. 159 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,640 So when I think about serving people, it's what do they need on their journey? 160 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,840 And often that is the thing that I feel like I can help the most with, but it's certainly 161 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,400 not the only thing. 162 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,440 I love that. 163 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:00,920 In fact, my humble opinion, what I've found out of life is when I've focused my life on 164 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,520 serving others or in this case, I think this is one of the best ways you can serve people 165 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:11,240 is if I were to focus every day on helping people see their genius, hence the happiness, 166 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,720 hence the aura that I see in front of me. 167 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,040 So vision pros, you have the opportunity to do the same, help people find their genius 168 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,360 as you do so. 169 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,800 You can make some amazing impact. 170 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:27,280 In fact, what would you say if somebody were to want to step in and do that for others, 171 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,400 Taryn, what would be your secret starter kit? 172 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,400 How do you do that? 173 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,400 How do you help somebody find their genius? 174 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,320 That's a great question. 175 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,980 First of all, intent. 176 00:10:39,980 --> 00:10:41,520 You need intent. 177 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,120 This is what you intend to do. 178 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,560 I intend to help them see something inside of them they may not be able to see themselves, 179 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:50,440 see their greatness, see their genius, see their uniqueness. 180 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,960 Intent will guide a lot of focus. 181 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,440 So I would start there. 182 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,720 You have to want that. 183 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:02,280 And I think the reason I'm probably skilled at it is number one, I want that because I 184 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,280 enjoy it. 185 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,280 I find passion in it. 186 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,560 And it allows me to get better and better at doing it and more and more intuitive and 187 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:10,640 faster and faster. 188 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,280 And so if I was going to coach someone, I'd say intent. 189 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:14,280 Do you want to do that? 190 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,960 Is that something that excites you and lights your fire? 191 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:21,120 So great because there's a lot of wisdom that can be channeled through you to help somebody 192 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,400 else. 193 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,800 And then the second thing is really setting aside what you think someone needs and being 194 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,600 a really clear channel to really tap into their soul, their spirit, their heart, and 195 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:37,600 to hear and feel and see what the essence of someone is and bring that forward and use 196 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,880 your conversation and ideas to help kind of stoke that. 197 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,240 Maybe it's a tiny little flame, turn it into a roaring fire. 198 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,080 Wow. 199 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,760 That is huge. 200 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:57,960 You actually just refined my own process with that reality right there. 201 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:04,640 I would have answered questions, asking questions, but when you add intent in addition to it, 202 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:10,880 make sure that you're focused on that and setting our selfish natures aside. 203 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,800 We do have selfish natures. 204 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,920 And maybe anybody's welcome to argue with me on that, but as a baby, when we come out, 205 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:22,080 we need oxygen, we need food, we need water. 206 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,240 Babies are beautiful and they're awesome, but they have needs. 207 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,720 We still have needs as human beings. 208 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:31,480 And we sometimes, you know, 24-hour rule for an argument with somebody, we're usually just 209 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,960 hungry or tired when we get on edge. 210 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:41,320 So if I'm thinking about what I want to gain out of the person and my intent is not to 211 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:47,680 let go of my needs, let go of my own disposition, and I don't break into, well, what might they 212 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:53,560 want, then my questions aren't going to be on point as much as if I were to think through 213 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:54,560 what their needs were. 214 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:55,560 You got a thought. 215 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:56,560 Go ahead. 216 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:57,560 Yeah. 217 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:00,880 Well, I think what you said, though, about asking questions is a really key part of this 218 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,000 because that when you think about someone's genius, like what is that, right? 219 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,640 Or where does genius start? 220 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,940 And genius always starts with the energy of excitement. 221 00:13:10,940 --> 00:13:16,320 And so the questions that I ask are always trying to find that thread of excitement inside 222 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,320 somebody. 223 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,280 And sometimes it's easy, it's kind of right on the surface. 224 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:25,200 And sometimes it is really behind very thick stone walls and you've got to really get in 225 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,200 there. 226 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,120 And so those questions are the kind of questions that bring out that energy of excitement. 227 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,360 And when you can kind of latch onto it in someone and then ask more questions to stoke 228 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,360 that, that is really how you find someone's genius. 229 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,360 Absolutely. 230 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,600 That is so cool. 231 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,400 Let's talk about your personal vision now. 232 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,000 What's your vision for yourself? 233 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:53,240 I've gone through so many phases in my career, and I think the earlier phases were very me-focused. 234 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,080 What do I want in my career? 235 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,160 How do I get promoted? 236 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,020 How do I get these kinds of clients or this or that? 237 00:13:59,020 --> 00:14:05,920 This later chapter of my career is much more focused on kind of everybody else. 238 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,600 How can I bring all of this to serve everyone else on their journey, to help them be the 239 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,880 greatest versions of themselves, to help them achieve more than maybe they thought possible, 240 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,520 or to step into an excitement that really creates this deep fulfillment in their life? 241 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:24,680 And so my vision for myself is really to be of service in that way to everybody else and 242 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,960 kind of create as many fires around the planet as I can inside people's hearts. 243 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:29,960 Awesome. 244 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,000 I love it. 245 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,280 That's something that I've seen a lot more leaders. 246 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:42,480 I've seen more leaders stepping into it in the last 10 years, and it's not because, I 247 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,800 don't think it's because more are doing it per se. 248 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:51,020 It's not like the past four years, you know, people didn't care, but we have so much public 249 00:14:51,020 --> 00:14:55,160 visibility due to the online world where you can see what people are up to. 250 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,040 And the one who you remind me of actually that I thought was Chip Conley. 251 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:06,380 Chip Conley, who wrote Peak and who ran Joy De Voie and was on the board of directors 252 00:15:06,380 --> 00:15:09,640 for Airbnb in the early days of it launching. 253 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:15,840 He's moved to Austin, Texas from San Francisco, and he's opened this like man tribe thing 254 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:21,400 for men who are trying to looking for purpose, I believe, after they've finished their career. 255 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,640 They're kind of stepping into that zone that you're stepping into. 256 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:33,000 And it's awesome to see people making that type of a shift where they're driving more 257 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,600 balance to the world. 258 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,680 And years past, you know, back to our work week, I think a lot of people, you know, there's 259 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:47,280 a very common phrase that came up, which was nobody says on their tombstone, I wish I had 260 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,320 worked more. 261 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:54,640 You know, and so it seems like more people are gravitating towards realizing like, you 262 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,120 know, there's more to this life. 263 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,120 Why don't we figure that out? 264 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,680 Have you seen a similar trend or have you seen the opposite? 265 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,360 Oh, a hundred percent. 266 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,720 And I would definitely call it a trend. 267 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,560 I think you're really on point here. 268 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,280 And it's funny, I've been spending a lot of time on LinkedIn lately and you really see 269 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:16,720 that at every level of the organization, people just pulling back a little bit because it 270 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,280 has been this workaholic culture. 271 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,720 And I live in California where it is especially workaholic. 272 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,640 And I think people are realizing I need some balance in my life. 273 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:26,800 I want to create more joy. 274 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:27,800 I want more memories. 275 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:28,800 I want to travel. 276 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,420 I want to have hobbies. 277 00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:32,480 And it's not that they don't care about their work. 278 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,060 They still care very deeply. 279 00:16:34,060 --> 00:16:36,780 It's just trying to find some balance in their life. 280 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:41,080 And I think that's a trend amongst every layer in the organization. 281 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,080 Awesome. 282 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,220 Well, it's a good trend. 283 00:16:44,220 --> 00:16:45,220 Let's keep it up everybody. 284 00:16:45,220 --> 00:16:50,920 You know, let's keep aiming for that balance and looking at what's most important in life. 285 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,840 Not dictated by me, not dictated by Taryn, but within yourself. 286 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,400 You know, what do you feel? 287 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,400 What do you see? 288 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,400 What's your purpose? 289 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:04,040 The truth too, I mean, and this is sort of an intuitive truth is that when you're really 290 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,280 excited about something, you want to work on it. 291 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,280 You're jazzed. 292 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,400 It provides this fuel of fire in you to keep going. 293 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,480 And the thing is that when you, you can't be in that excited energy forever at that 294 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:18,600 pace. 295 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,800 It's usually at the beginning of something when you're all jazzed and that's okay. 296 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,280 So it's not like life is this, you know, constant, you know, I'm just balanced all the time. 297 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:27,960 I mean, sometimes there's these peaks and these valleys. 298 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,480 I mean, I just came off of taking some time off from, from my work. 299 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,120 I just needed a deeper recharge. 300 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:38,040 And so, and yet here I am all fired up coming out of that. 301 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,920 I wouldn't say hitting it hard, but the way hitting it hard because I'm fired up about 302 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,280 it right now. 303 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:47,200 And so it's not constant, but when we're working and there's not that excitement present, that's 304 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,920 where burnout comes from. 305 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:49,920 Yeah. 306 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:50,920 Oh, absolutely. 307 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:57,520 Taylor Welch talks about clean energy and dirty energy and how both of them are really 308 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,520 important. 309 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:04,080 Clean energy describes for dirty energy as a hype song to get you ready to get on stage 310 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,720 or to go perform at a trade show, you know, and a rah rah session. 311 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,960 And it's meant for your sprints and life and clean energy is one in which, you know, it's, 312 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,220 it's drinking your water for the day. 313 00:18:15,220 --> 00:18:18,920 It's getting, it's walking, taking a walk around the block, getting some sunshine. 314 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,920 It's going up to random stranger, giving them $5 and walking away, you know, and, and, or, 315 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,520 you know, a street corner, giving away a nutrient grain bar or a bottle of water to somebody 316 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,120 who needs it. 317 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,920 And that's your marathon style energy. 318 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:36,440 And when he, when he, when he put it that way, I was like, Whoa, I'm, I can out teach 319 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,800 this and I couldn't teach it before. 320 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:43,240 It was just something that was part of, of who I was and like how I do things. 321 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:49,960 And when you live with that purpose, you, you do gravitate towards an ability to sustain, 322 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,560 but we're not talking about grind, right? 323 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:53,560 That's difference. 324 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,160 We're not talking about staying in that, in that dirty energy at all times. 325 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,600 And dirty energy is not a bad thing. 326 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,880 It's just the title that they use to describe the difference in the two types of energy 327 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,000 sources that we have. 328 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:12,000 But some people confuse fun and happiness to very, very different realities, both important 329 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,000 fireworks show versus fantastic day. 330 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,120 Um, you know, there's, there's different elements, different timings. 331 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:22,000 And when we learn to see that and appreciate that in the world, um, you know, we can usually 332 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,280 appreciate the world more when the fireworks shows not going versus being disappointed 333 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,080 that the fireworks show is over. 334 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaking of a fireworks show being over diving into the darker side of this conversation, 335 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:40,880 what would you say is your worst leadership experience ever? 336 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,040 You know, funny enough, it was probably my own. 337 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:51,320 So you have these moments where they are so, they are so profound that they shape you for 338 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,320 the rest of your life. 339 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,480 And for me, this happened when I was, I think 16 and even at a young age, I always did leadership 340 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:58,480 stuff in school. 341 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,920 I was captain of my soccer team and I think I was a junior. 342 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,920 This is my junior year of high school and we had the most terrible coach. 343 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:07,920 I mean, she was embarrassing. 344 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,280 I mean, she wasn't a great soccer coach, but she was just really embarrassing on the sideline. 345 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,280 She threw her clipboard down and make this big scene. 346 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,520 Just really not very classy. 347 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,440 And I was really upset by this and rather, I'll tell you what I should have done, but 348 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:21,640 I'll tell you what I did do first. 349 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,120 What I did do was I complained about it to my whole team and I was the team captain sitting 350 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:30,920 here complaining to everybody about how horrible this coach was and kind of creating a negativity 351 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,160 spiral around it. 352 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,760 Cause of course everyone agreed. 353 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:40,080 And so we just got in this negativity complaining spiral about how terrible our coach was. 354 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,640 And some of this got back to her. 355 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,780 I mean, I don't know how, but I'm some way and she pulled me aside and called me out 356 00:20:46,780 --> 00:20:47,780 on it. 357 00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:53,040 And I had this moment where I thought, oh my gosh, this was not my highest integrity 358 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,200 as a leader of this team, as a team captain. 359 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:02,720 And it was a very defining moment of when you're a leader at any level, you can't let 360 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,620 somebody else dictate how great you are. 361 00:21:05,620 --> 00:21:06,620 And that's what I was doing. 362 00:21:06,620 --> 00:21:12,400 I was letting her behavior determine how I showed up. 363 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,000 And I was really unhappy with myself in that number one, for not being a good leader on 364 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,080 my team and being more positive and number two, not modeling of like, forget what she's 365 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,080 doing. 366 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,480 What are we doing? 367 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,760 And we're going to be successful regardless of what she's doing. 368 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,040 And that would have been the opportunity to provide better leadership. 369 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,240 So I've carried that lesson with me forward through all these years of it doesn't matter 370 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,360 how great or terrible your boss is or the CEO of a company is, how successful are you 371 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:37,360 going to be? 372 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:38,360 Don't let them determine your success. 373 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:39,360 Do you determine your success? 374 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:41,100 Do you determine your leadership? 375 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:47,360 And even if you can't stand the person that you are under, if you will, don't let them 376 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:49,920 determine how brightly you shine. 377 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:50,920 That was my lesson. 378 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,920 Wow. 379 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,040 As a huge lesson took me till at least at least my mid twenties. 380 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,840 I was trying to find that spot and I was like, Oh, it's probably 19. 381 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,320 No, it's probably 20. 382 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,120 No, I just kept going through it. 383 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:05,760 I was like, man, it took a long time for me to pick up what you're putting down right 384 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,760 now. 385 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,760 So I mean, I, I, I, maybe I sound like a saint in this story. 386 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,880 I have had certainly moments over my career where I had to pull myself back and remind 387 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,320 myself of that younger terror that, that learned that lesson. 388 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,800 Cause I have, I have not been perfect, but I do think about it often. 389 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:22,800 You know, well said. 390 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,400 And I'm glad you, I'm glad you're bringing that up because a lot of leaders in the world 391 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,240 are, I don't think they're scared to bring that up, but you just don't think they know 392 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:34,440 how to bring up the reality that most of the audience benefits so much when they see us 393 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,000 fall on our face, when they see us, you know, be human. 394 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,040 And it's not because it's like, Oh, you know, and a lot of the world will make fun of it. 395 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,040 You know, it's, it's fun to make jokes. 396 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,440 You know, it's so easy to make a meme these days. 397 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,120 And so people do it. 398 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,600 And I think most people who make them, they don't have the intent to be evil. 399 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,240 They're just seizing the opportunity to be a little movie producer, um, in order to be 400 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,080 a little producer of something that people care about and find, uh, attractive if you 401 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,080 will. 402 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:07,220 Um, but when Tiger Woods, uh, when I saw him golfing and he was right by the green 403 00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:11,280 and he, he hits the ball and it goes, boom, it goes all the way to the other side of the 404 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,280 green off of it. 405 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,000 And I'm like, he does it too. 406 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,200 And then he went to chase it down, you know, and he does it. 407 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,920 He did it again. 408 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:19,920 And then he did it again. 409 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:20,920 He did it three times in a row. 410 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,240 And I was like, Oh, I don't feel so bad. 411 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,320 I was like, I always watch the highlights and see these guys hit perfect shots. 412 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,800 I don't see when they make their mistakes. 413 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,880 But as soon as I saw him make his mistakes, I wasn't like, Oh, he's a terrible person. 414 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:33,880 I look at him. 415 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,880 He doesn't know how to play. 416 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,880 You got all the trophies in the world. 417 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,640 But it gave me a chance to feel like I belong on the golf course. 418 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,040 Maybe people would disagree with that, but nonetheless, I feel better about my opportunities 419 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,740 rise up and try. 420 00:23:46,740 --> 00:23:49,080 So what's your best leadership experience look like? 421 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:55,120 You know, it's so hard sometimes to own our greatness, but it's such a great question 422 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,920 because it requires us to do that. 423 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,480 Honestly, the, the one of the, one of the best was actually quite recent. 424 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:09,000 Um, I got called in to help a company with a pretty dramatic turnaround. 425 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,760 This company was really about to fail and it was owned by a private equity firm. 426 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,040 It still is actually owned by a private equity firm. 427 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,720 And they called me in sort of as a hail Mary to help the CEO and the team. 428 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,400 And it was clear that the CEO wasn't the right fit. 429 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,440 Um, and so there was a transition there, but I pulled the team together and we did an 430 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,640 offsite and I led this offsite for three days. 431 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:42,760 And it was an incredible experience to be the leader of that, where I had to get this 432 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:50,200 whole executive team redirected on a new strategy shifted in their energy and working together 433 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,880 in a way that they hadn't before. 434 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,960 And it took, it took 30 years of experience for that moment to be able to do that and 435 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,600 to, to allow the new foundation to be built for this turnaround. 436 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,440 You know, they are doing much better. 437 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,440 I mean, there's still a road in front of them, but they were doing much better, but I felt 438 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,920 like it brought everything I had together in a singular three day offsite retreat to 439 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,040 be able to help that team. 440 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,040 That is amazing. 441 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,480 And here's why, um, I don't know, I don't always use these words to describe the answers 442 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,680 of the people who are on the show, by the way. 443 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,880 Um, I'm not a big fan of hyperbole. 444 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:32,640 Like I'll, I'll pull what I need to out of what's there, but these are super core concepts 445 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,520 to practices that we model at first-class business. 446 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:43,040 And what it sounds like to me is Patrick Lincione and his book, the five dysfunctions of a team, 447 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,360 it sounds like he shadowed you and wrote the book about you. 448 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,280 Um, have you read that book before? 449 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,680 Gosh, years ago I did. 450 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,160 Oh, okay. 451 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,160 So, okay. 452 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:58,320 He didn't write the book about you then, um, but you've emulated and implemented that system. 453 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:04,280 In fact, like we're so dedicated to the concept of what you just said, um, and, and bringing 454 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:10,120 the team members together, um, making sure that we're, we're accounting for what opportunities 455 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:11,120 we have. 456 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:15,200 I'm going to showcase, uh, thank you, Cynthia, by the way, shout out to Cynthia who helped 457 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:21,240 me design this, but the five dysfunctions of the team concept include taking a team 458 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:27,400 from a low performance situation and inspiring them and helping them to get to a high performance 459 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,880 position of collaboration, which includes debate and healthy conflict. 460 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,880 And I love that he breaks down these concepts of, uh, this, this basically this pyramid 461 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,200 and base of if you don't have trust, you can't establish healthy conflict. 462 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,200 You'll have fear of it. 463 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,440 If you don't have healthy conflict, you won't have a true sense of commitment and you've 464 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,800 got to have accountability into this process. 465 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,120 You've got to, if you want to drive high end results to, you've got to have commitment 466 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:53,600 to it as a team. 467 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,920 And the left side represents the symptoms of, and seeing, okay, if my company is going 468 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,500 around problems, not confronting tough issues, or we have lack of trans trans transparency, 469 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:08,380 that means that we're in the low performance team category, the dysfunctional team. 470 00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:13,280 But if we're seeking input from each other without politics or confronting problems, 471 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,760 developing practical solutions, then those are symptoms and signs that we are functioning 472 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,160 as a high performance team. 473 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:25,640 So you decided to go to that retreat and that's the part of the book where if you haven't 474 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,600 listened to that book, I highly recommend it so much that every single employee and 475 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,360 team member who joins first class business that is required reading or required listening 476 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:35,920 on audible for the first week. 477 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,400 You cannot work with our company if you don't listen to that because you will not be ready 478 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,920 for the culture that we've set up. 479 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,440 You won't know how to perform in it because 99% of companies out there have fairly dysfunctional 480 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,080 operation styles. 481 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,920 That's my personal opinion and take. 482 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:59,200 So these retreats, what do you do at the retreat that helps people move forward? 483 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,640 Is it beer pong all day, all night? 484 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,720 That'd be fun. 485 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:11,160 The thing about off sites, executive team off sites or any team off site, or longer 486 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,920 format team meeting, whether it's a day or a couple of days, it's really about energy 487 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:22,200 management and you've got to think of it as a facilitator like that, which is what's 488 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,680 the energy I need to set in the room to accomplish what we need to get done? 489 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,440 And depending on what you need to accomplish is the energy that needs to get not just set 490 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,640 but maintained over the day. 491 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:38,440 And when in this particular case, these were long days, this team had a big distance to 492 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,560 go in a short amount of time and they were long 10, 12 hour days just by the time you 493 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,040 had breakfast and wrapped up at dinner and sustaining that kind of energy over that long 494 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,760 is crucial to getting the results that you want. 495 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,640 So people don't think about this or talk about it, but it really is about energy management 496 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,320 first and foremost, more than anything. 497 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,840 So just to give you an example, every morning before I start a retreat, we set intentions 498 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,200 and they're not like, I hope that today this and that these are like commands of the universe 499 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,640 I intend that today we are going to have genius shine through us and we're going to have solutions 500 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,640 to our problems. 501 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,680 Like I intend this, they're powerful commands. 502 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,960 And yeah, no, so you command it. 503 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,600 And that's how we start every day and everybody does it for themselves. 504 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,920 And I set them to actually, I should even take a step back before that happens. 505 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,500 I set the energy in the room before anyone even walks in because every space has kind 506 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,040 of the lingering energy from what was there before. 507 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,240 And it's important to clear that energy out of a room and to call in the energy that you're 508 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,400 wanting and then everybody walks in the door kind of in a vibe that I want them in. 509 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,800 And then we start the day with that. 510 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,320 And then depending on what we need to get done today, we'll determine kind of the next 511 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,880 activity I start with. 512 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,940 Often it's a creativity exercise because a lot of times my off sites need some kind 513 00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:52,680 of creativity element to them, you know, whether it's brainstorming strategies or thinking 514 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,340 through ideas or this or that. 515 00:29:55,340 --> 00:29:59,520 And so we'll spend, you know, 30, 40 minutes on a creativity exercise because you got to 516 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,520 warm up the brain. 517 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,520 You can't just dive right into creativity. 518 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,880 You got to warm up. 519 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:09,920 And then often, you know, sort of throughout the day, another way I manage energy is pausing. 520 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,480 Sometimes we do exercises just to kind of move the body because it's a lot of sitting. 521 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,440 But just I call it kind of high end manifesting where you imagine that the thing you want 522 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,640 is already done. 523 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,240 The success that we're looking for has already happened on some timeline in the universe. 524 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,920 And if we can align to that timeline of success already being done, then everything just kind 525 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,920 of flows a little easier. 526 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,140 So a lot of times my exercises are about getting in that energy where it's already done. 527 00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:37,480 Success is already here and it just creates more flow, not just in the offsite, but in 528 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,600 after what happens. 529 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,640 So those are kind of energy management tips. 530 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,600 And then there's all the, you know, the agenda, the exercises and stuff, depending on what 531 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,600 we're trying to achieve. 532 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,960 But that is where the Vagic is. 533 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,320 That is awesome. 534 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,240 High end manifesting. 535 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,240 That is so cool. 536 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,160 No wonder you achieve miraculous transformations with individuals. 537 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,500 That makes a lot of sense. 538 00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:04,240 And so what I also hear you saying is, you know, there's this saying that I'm not a big 539 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,880 fan of, but it led me to incubate a new saying. 540 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,300 It was strong opinions loosely held, which to me feels sounds irresponsible. 541 00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:19,800 But I like the idea of strong opinions delicately held, you know, where you're taking care of 542 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,800 that opinion still. 543 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,400 You're not just going to drop it on accident. 544 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,360 With your case, you have a framework. 545 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,080 You have certain ideas and structure that's there. 546 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,920 And it sounds like you're not, but you're not like rigid about how the retreat runs. 547 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:40,760 You have the ability to mold and shift based on the type of company you're in. 548 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,760 You can't. 549 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:48,200 I have an agenda before the retreat starts and it's minute by minute. 550 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,200 Here's what we're doing. 551 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,200 Here's what we're going to achieve. 552 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,080 And then of course, once it starts, this is where the loosely held comes into place. 553 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,840 You've got to flow where the energy is. 554 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,320 Once the team is on such a roll with something, in this particular case, I was just talking 555 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,320 about it. 556 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,880 There was a reorg that was needed as part of this transformation and they were on such 557 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,600 a roll and the problem they were trying to solve was actually quite complicated. 558 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,160 And I allotted, I want to say an hour, it took six. 559 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,640 And yet the end was this sort of brilliant new design. 560 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,240 And had I stopped at the hour, we would have never gotten there. 561 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,600 And, and yet that framed every, every other success they had after that. 562 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:26,360 So yeah, you might say it's a rigid agenda loosely held her rigid design of an agenda 563 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,440 loosely held. 564 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,440 I like that. 565 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,960 I believe that most of the best of the best of the best actors follow the same type of 566 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:35,960 acting. 567 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,960 That's why they get the parts over and over is they have the ability to improv, but they're 568 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,000 not always improving and throwing off the rest of the cast. 569 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,040 They know when to do it. 570 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,300 And they have the ability to pull that out when it's when the opportune moment arises 571 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:50,340 and they're good at balancing when that happens. 572 00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:52,340 We do the same thing as leaders. 573 00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:57,560 Before we go into your most powerful lesson that, and again, I want you to think of the, 574 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,960 this is a last chance you had to share a powerful lesson with visionaries ever. 575 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,560 Then what would be the one they could learn from your experience? 576 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,880 But before we go into that, in terms of your teams, if you're listening in, you're like, 577 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,360 man, I can't drive miracles in my team. 578 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,760 You know, if you're kind of at that position where you've lost hope and some of these circumstances, 579 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,040 I want you to remember that that's the point of going from the rigid nature to understand 580 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,680 like maybe you need to take a step back on this. 581 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,680 And I'll give a couple examples. 582 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:33,880 If you drive, if your team is 30 people who work in a coal mine, honor the fact that their 583 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,760 job, what they do for a day to day basis is not driven around creativity. 584 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,200 In fact, they're probably told not to be creative, right? 585 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,600 You're supposed to follow protocols and stay safe. 586 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,320 And so if you're, if you're driven by protocols and staying safe every single day, then it's 587 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,480 going to be a little bit harder to dive into your creative side. 588 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,480 You're going to need more nurturing. 589 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,000 You're going to need more inspiration and maybe nurturing comes in the form of a beer. 590 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,920 You know, maybe nurturing comes in the form of, you know, bringing a football, you know, 591 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,040 and throwing that around for a little bit first. 592 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,320 That's where the intentionality that Taryn talks about is so important is looking, thinking, 593 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,240 and okay, maybe they're not going to want to start with a meditative yoga session with 594 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:20,960 this group, but maybe again, think through your mind, your heart, your gut. 595 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,920 What is it telling you about how can I incorporate this so that my people can gain their next 596 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:33,480 step in intentionality, not necessarily become Gandhi or Buddha tomorrow? 597 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,480 Powerful lesson. 598 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,880 What powerful lesson would you share with us, Taryn, that, that, you know, this is the 599 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,120 last chance that we can learn from? 600 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,600 This one took me a while to learn. 601 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,120 And I have been a student of leadership since I was very small. 602 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,400 It's just been a passion of mine. 603 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,680 And yet this lesson came in a very unexpected way, more on my spiritual journey than my 604 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,940 leadership journey. 605 00:34:57,940 --> 00:35:06,520 And it is this lesson of when we are the most energetically powerful we can be within, we 606 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,360 can hold the space for everyone to come match us or meet us. 607 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,240 And so this is actually related in a way to what I was saying at the offsite. 608 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:19,620 It's when I can hold the energy in a certain way, it makes everybody else come up and match 609 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:20,960 me at that energy. 610 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,080 And the more powerfully I hold it, the easier it is for them to match me. 611 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,840 And so as leaders, we're often thinking about, you know, all the things we've got to get 612 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,040 done, all the people we have to serve and the strategy and the budgets and the boards 613 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,040 and the this and the that. 614 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,440 But at the end of the day, what actually makes a great leader is the ones that can hold their 615 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,240 energy really strong and let everyone match to that. 616 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:45,520 And so if what you're wanting is a great team, you've got to hold the energy of greatness 617 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,920 and excitement and success within you, because everyone will come match up to that. 618 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,040 And I could go deep with this concept. 619 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,640 I mean, what I always say is that leaders, it's a holographic experience. 620 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,800 If you take a CEO, the organization is a hologram of that CEO. 621 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,080 You see all of the issues and dysfunctions of the leaders show up in the organization 622 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,880 somewhere, and all of the greatness and the genius and all that also show up. 623 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,840 So if you want your organization to be great, be a more healed hologram, you know, a version 624 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,340 of yourself so you can be the hologram can also be more healed. 625 00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:21,560 And so when we can get really healthy within ourselves, we can hold a really high vibration 626 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,920 within ourselves, we can hold the energy we're wanting everyone else to have that is power. 627 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,920 That's huge. 628 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,200 I could let you go on that for hours. 629 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,200 That is super deep. 630 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,600 Everybody is listening, and what that reminds me of is Tony Robbins. 631 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,360 And there's actually two leaders that came to mind and realized, you know, okay, there's 632 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:49,480 like with all opportunities for energy, you can use it for good and you can use it for 633 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,480 bad. 634 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,040 Fire is an example of that, right? 635 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,120 This fire right here, this flame does not hurt me to touch and utilize. 636 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:03,600 But you know, if I leave a candle irresponsibly, you know, in a room and it melts and knocks 637 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:09,320 over and burns my house down, that energy can ruin my life, so to speak. 638 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,500 Tony Robbins represents that great energy to me of somebody who holds his energy and 639 00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:20,040 people gravitate towards it, even when you're watching like the I am not your guru on Netflix 640 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,040 or whatever. 641 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,600 It's like you're there, you know, you can feel him do that scream. 642 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,240 He's got a powerful feel. 643 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,400 The other person who uses it, I love him as a human being. 644 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:38,200 I hope that he puts his methods in check, but it would be Grant Cardone, who also it's 645 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:43,320 very hard to ignore the energy that he has and puts out there. 646 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,520 And I see a lot of people gravitate towards that and put themselves in a position of subordination 647 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,440 where they then get dictated what to do. 648 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,520 And you know, for Grant, it works. 649 00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:00,240 You know, his power does work and it does drive people towards following him and doing 650 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:02,640 what he wants them to do. 651 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:11,360 But as human beings, if we can all learn to leverage that same energetic power, we can 652 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,880 help people rise up. 653 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,960 Now, again, I don't want to villainize an individual. 654 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,120 That's not the goal. 655 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,560 But I would like to explore maybe going away from the two examples a little bit. 656 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:30,120 How do I control my ability or harness my ability, is probably the better word, to match, 657 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:36,160 to bring my best energy to the table, Taryn, without suffocating the needs of somebody 658 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,160 around me? 659 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,720 Like if somebody had a relative pass away, right? 660 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,840 I'm coming in with a vibrant energy or somebody else has COVID in the company or somebody 661 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,240 else has whatever else going on. 662 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:51,720 How do you make space for other people's energies while maintaining your own super powerful 663 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:55,560 presence? 664 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:56,880 I think that's a great question. 665 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,120 I think it's about not needing them to be anything other than what they are. 666 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,480 I mean, if they're going through something and they're in a sad space, do you need them 667 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,400 to be different? 668 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,400 You know? 669 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,400 No. 670 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,680 Or, you know, does this moment call for them to be something different? 671 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:19,420 It might, but it's not needing people to be a certain way. 672 00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:23,600 It's trusting that when you're that way, they have free will to choose to match you 673 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,600 or not. 674 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,800 And just through sort of the vibrational laws of the universe, it will help them out of 675 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,760 their funk when you're just in a good space. 676 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,360 I can't tell you how many leaders always tell me, God, Taryn, at the end of this call, 677 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,400 I just feel so much better because I do a lot of coaching. 678 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,020 And they came in grumpy and they left, you know, feeling fabulous. 679 00:39:41,020 --> 00:39:43,960 And it's purely because I held my energy constant. 680 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,520 I didn't need them to change. 681 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,240 They just changed to match me. 682 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,880 And so that's just kind of how it works. 683 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:51,880 And so you hold space for everybody to be able to be with you. 684 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:57,240 So is there space to cry with somebody who needs a shoulder or is there not? 685 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:58,240 Just to dive a little bit deeper. 686 00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:59,240 Oh, for sure. 687 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:01,560 I mean, again, it's like, what is the energy in the moment? 688 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,640 I mean, sometimes the energy in the moment is compassion or sometimes it's vulnerability 689 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,000 or sometimes it's admitting you were wrong and just being humble. 690 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,580 I mean, these are all great energies, right? 691 00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:16,320 So it's for me getting clear, I was like, what does this moment need from me? 692 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,880 And how do I show up with that energy in a way that helps others, you know, just by kind 693 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,680 of being with me in that? 694 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,160 And there's been plenty of times when I've sat in front of my team and I admitted to 695 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,520 something I made a mistake on, you know, and like, that's okay, because that's the energy 696 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,320 of vulnerability. 697 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,280 And it provides a moment for everyone else to be vulnerable, too, right? 698 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,120 So it's not always like the Tony Robbins like, rah, rah, rah, power. 699 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,520 Like that's a great energy because sometimes you need that. 700 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,760 And there are moments when that is incredibly powerful. 701 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,280 And sometimes you need to be soft and sometimes you need to be vulnerable. 702 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,080 And sometimes you need to, you know, have a minute yourself and be sad. 703 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,480 Like these are all okay. 704 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,840 It's just getting clear for yourself, just knowing that wherever you're at, people are 705 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,720 going to match you if you're holding a powerful field. 706 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,720 Right, right. 707 00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:58,720 Absolutely. 708 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:03,240 That is also one of those things I saw about Tony watching the I'm Not Your Guru is his 709 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:09,480 ability when he was talking to people about their suicide, you know, attempts. 710 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,800 His ability to move towards his comfort and his compassion. 711 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,480 And he's not perfect at it. 712 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,280 He's not the perfect example in the world. 713 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,280 I don't think anybody is. 714 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,200 But there are other leaders out there who we can gravitate towards watching as well 715 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:27,560 and seeing how do they facilitate these different types of moments in order to meet people with 716 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,760 that right energy. 717 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:35,000 Any other examples on the market that you would kind of point to and say, I really like 718 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,600 how they show up with that same fortitude that you're referencing. 719 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,280 Oh, man, the master that I know is Matt Conn. 720 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,400 And if you don't follow Matt Conn, he is worth checking out. 721 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,400 I think it's mattconn.org. 722 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,300 He's a spiritual teacher and he's a very heart centered spiritual teacher. 723 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:55,480 And he's certainly been someone I have resonated with deeply over the last number of years. 724 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,440 And he holds a powerful field of love. 725 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,200 And when you're in his bubble long enough, you get right there too. 726 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,720 And yet he doesn't need you to be any which way. 727 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:07,480 Yeah, thank you for that. 728 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,480 That's huge. 729 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,480 And so vision pros, you know, if that's something that you're working on right now as a leader, 730 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,400 then again, you've now got yet another person who's who you can watch what's going on, what 731 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,400 are they putting down? 732 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,880 You know, what can you pick up from on that? 733 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,760 If there's other things that that you need to work on, then maybe save it and bookmark 734 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,760 it for later. 735 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,180 I just pulled that tab open. 736 00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:31,960 So when the right timing is can hit me, I can dive in and intentionally play with that. 737 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,720 So looking at creating miraculously good leaders and teams, do you have any final thoughts 738 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,720 on any other things you want to share about the process? 739 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:41,720 What does that look like? 740 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:43,240 What can what can visionaries do right now? 741 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,200 Other than, of course, what we're going to have them do, which is we're going to give 742 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,640 them the opportunity to go to your landing page, you know, in the show notes, go and 743 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,800 see what resources you have and follow you subscribe to your methods. 744 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,080 But right here now, is there anything that you'd like to share about creating miraculously 745 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,320 good leaders and teams? 746 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,560 What I would say is I think there is truly genius and greatness inside of everybody. 747 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,540 And I think it's easy to lose sight of that just living life sometimes. 748 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:16,340 And what makes the word the reason I use the word miraculous is that when you can, or when 749 00:43:16,340 --> 00:43:20,780 anyone can, whether it's a CEO, a leader, a leadership team, or, you know, even the 750 00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:25,560 most sort of new person in the organization or most entry level, the principles are the 751 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:31,320 same, which is when you can really tap into your heart, what you want, your excitement, 752 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,960 your desire, and you can do that. 753 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,440 That's what creates miracles, right? 754 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,360 It's that energy of excitement that is the energy of miracles. 755 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,880 It's you know, when you're in that energy of excitement, doors start flying open. 756 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,920 When you're in the energy of grumpy or angry or upset or, you know, slogging away, it tends 757 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,920 to be when doors close. 758 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,800 I mean, that's just sort of how the universe works. 759 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,080 So yeah, and if you want the doors to open, be excited. 760 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,280 I mean, and really find it in your heart, not from a space of ego, but from a space 761 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,280 of what is my soul excited about, like what genuinely lights my body up in excitement 762 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,880 and move from that space. 763 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,400 And whether the excitement is, you know, in this moment, what's going to excite me is 764 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,520 going for a walk or watching a movie or having dinner with friends, or it's I'm going to 765 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,960 launch this thing out in the world. 766 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,400 It doesn't every moment doesn't need to be some epic thing. 767 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,620 It can be something quite simple. 768 00:44:20,620 --> 00:44:24,560 And yet when you're in that energy, life will become a lot easier. 769 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,160 Absolutely. 770 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,480 That's awesome. 771 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:33,160 You know, and to double down on that, yes, the windows of opportunities will, they're 772 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,160 there. 773 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,880 You know, you're knocking and asking for it, whether you want to or not every single day 774 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,120 with your actions, your thoughts, the way you behave. 775 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:49,720 I come from a family, my dad's side of the family, where if I chose to dive into my worst 776 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:55,080 self, and I chose to start doing, you know, started diving into alcohol, started diving 777 00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:00,120 into drugs, a number of them would reach out to me and be like, hey, come on over and come 778 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,120 hang out. 779 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,120 And that's what I mean. 780 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,800 The bad doors would open. 781 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,360 There are people in your life that will gravitate towards you based on the type of energy that 782 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,600 you were you're willing to put down. 783 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,800 So if you find yourself in that situation, you may have a great opportunity to start 784 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,560 saying, you know what? 785 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,840 Maybe I need to start closing my negative doors. 786 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:25,080 You know, maybe it's time for me to turn away from those and turn towards positive opportunities 787 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,600 and look for people who can, who also are attracted to that and learn to respect their 788 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,600 space more. 789 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:32,600 It's a hard transition. 790 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,320 Again, I had to make it from a young age and grow out of it. 791 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,380 And it was a few decades long process. 792 00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:41,720 So it doesn't matter where you're at. 793 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:42,720 Does it matter if you're 60? 794 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:44,360 Does it matter if you're six years old? 795 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,240 You still have the same opportunities to decide what type of energy you want to hold in the 796 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:49,240 world. 797 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:54,600 And Taryn Bogat, for me, is obviously one of the best leaders you can go to and talk 798 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,320 to about the experience and find out more. 799 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,480 So we'll have her resources in the show notes. 800 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,840 If you have a vision as well, if you've got a vision that's wholesome, that you want to 801 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:08,040 get out to the world and maybe you are the next Elon Musk or Melinda and Bill Gates, 802 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,720 I saw that as one of your references, Taryn, of companies that you've worked with and SpaceX 803 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:13,720 as well. 804 00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:17,200 If you see Elon Musk and you want to share that on our stage, by all means, apply to 805 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,800 be our guest on the page. 806 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,720 And in addition to that, if your vision, you know, if you're like, man, my vision is small. 807 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,120 I don't think anybody would care about it. 808 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,120 I don't think Jackson would. 809 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,120 Uh-uh, you're wrong. 810 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:31,680 If it's wholesome, if it's positive, if it's uplifting one or two other people, we very 811 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,960 well might bring you on stage to talk about it because, you know, all good, all good change, 812 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,840 all people who have a vision to help others is something worth celebrating. 813 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,900 And I'd love to meet you. 814 00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:47,080 So without further ado, thank you guys for coming in for this episode. 815 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,640 Taryn, thank you for being here today. 816 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,640 This was amazing. 817 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,400 Thank you so much for having me. 818 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,000 It was a really great conversation, Jackson. 819 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,000 Thank you. 820 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,000 Absolutely. 821 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,000 I'll see you on the other side. 822 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,120 Thank you for being here today. 823 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,600 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 824 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:04,440 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward. 825 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,080 This is going to get more and more fun. 826 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,080 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 827 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,400 We'll invite people to participate in the show. 828 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,680 And thank you for giving us your time and attention. 829 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,040 Have an excellent time building out your vision.