No more driving for six months while he learns.
That's right.
That's awesome.
That's right.
And so as far as Flo goes and Flo states, do you guys, do you bring that into the home
as well?
Is this something you teach your son about?
And do you have more goals than kids?
Yeah, of course.
Actually, I love to do that.
I love to do that every time, every day that I take him to drive him to school, because
I'm still driving him to school.
I get the chance to talk to him about all my crazy stuff and he likes it.
And he also likes to read a lot.
So I really enjoy taking all this Flo thing in home.
So it's a lot of lifestyle, I would say, because it involves everything in your life.
So I try to permeate it as much as possible into my family.
So I have here my, there you go, the phrase, one phrase that I love, which is called amor
fati.
And I'll tell you more about it in a while.
But I like it because it's like living in the moment, living the present and loving
what happens to you.
So nice, something I love.
It's a beautiful scene.
So one thing you may not know about me, you might know this, but did you know that I used
to work for flow research collective?
No way.
That's small world, right?
Oh, wow.
And you were in California or?
No, I was remote.
I was here.
Oh, wow.
That's so cool.
Okay.
So I don't have to tell you about flow.
Always learning.
No, always, always learning.
That's cool.
Definitely connected to it.
You know, definitely an important aspect of my life as well as knowing how to connect
into my own flow states.
So I understand fully the value of what you're about to bring to the table for those who
are listening.
So I got to ask.
So as far as you can either go with today, the modern world, it's not just the books
that matter, right?
You got courses out there.
You got programs, conferences, events, YouTube videos.
What would be your top three personal development or growth resources that you'd recommend outside
of your own?
Okay.
So definitely books.
I mean, there's so much richness.
What's the book?
What's one though?
You had to name one.
What's one book?
Okay.
One that I have right here next to me is Principles by Ray Dalio.
I love that one.
And I'm not a tattoo guy, but if I would ever get a tattoo, it would be this this spiral.
So this one.
So I don't know if you've heard of this, but so Ray Dalio came across my plate, I don't
know, two years ago and I started like reading some stuff.
He's been, I was like, dude, this guy is rich with wisdom, but I haven't read the book before.
Okay.
It's it's dense.
As you can see, it's a big book.
And the first part is kind of hard to, you know, to read and you have to reread it.
But the second part is amazing.
So I try to have it next to me to remind me.
And as I told you, the tattoo, if I ever get a tattoo, I'll get it that spiral.
So yeah, I love it because it's it's it's life.
I mean, it's a flow of life.
You set your goals, you fail, eventually you will fail.
That's it.
It's no matter if you will fail or not.
It's a matter of when after you fail, you diagnose what's going on.
Why did you fail?
And then you redesign your process or whatever you are trying to reach and you launch again.
And that's that's life.
So we're always learning.
And if we're not learning, then that spiral goes like this instead of going up.
It goes straight.
So you don't learn, but you keep failing and doing the same mistakes.
Right.
So that's what I love about principles.
Awesome.
There are so many other books that I love.
There's so many.
Now, I probably shouldn't ask where you would get the tattoo.
So we'll skip that for now.
All right.
Welcome in to Vision Pros Live with Jackson Calame.
I'm your show host.
We will be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building
fantastic visions out there.
Everybody welcome in another episode of Vision Pros Live.
I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO of First Class Business.
I am excited to have Manuel Del Valle on our show today based out of Houston, Texas, another
Texan.
I'm excited about that, too.
Also from Mexico, representing both nations, just like my daughter, Aitana.
And so we'll be diving into flow states and how flow is a key to an amazing life.
You know, again, most of you don't know that I had a short stint working with Flow Research
Collective and the amount that I learned in that time and the amount that I appreciate,
my business, they're up to and teaching the world in terms of peak performance, productivity,
just awesome.
And so bringing Manu on as well as a leader in flow, he's a founder of flowforward.co.
That's flowforward.co.
We'll be diving in talking about how flow is, again, that amazing key to, well, the
key to amazing life.
So before we dive in with Manu, I want to always give a quick shout out to the sponsors.
These are people that I believe in tremendously, people that I work with.
In fact, the two sponsors for today are actually both clients of first class business.
So we do have a bit of a bias.
However, what I would like to say about that is I don't take clients on that I don't absolutely
love and desire representing because I got four children who I want to be extremely proud
of the things that I've done in life.
So with Sean and Julianne Lechuga, they are launching this program called The Wellness
Shop 365.
And The Wellness Shop 365 is an integrative approach to nutrition that incorporates this
wheel of life concept that I was like, man, this is so cool to meet somebody who not only
cares about the diet and the exercise portion of being healthy, but also is keen on what
your joy look like, what your spirituality look like, your creativity, your career, your
education.
When I saw this concept, I was like, this has superpowers unlike anything I've seen
from other health practitioners and holistic health individuals.
And we're all in this journey to continue to improve.
But some of us have dynamic superpowers above and beyond others.
And it's our opportunity to use those relationships as mentors, if you will, for our life.
So I love the success of their family.
I love what they're building.
And if you get a chance to check that out and you're in the holistic wellness space,
maybe there's also a strategic partnership opportunity with them and what they're doing.
Then there's the lost spot with Melissa Gray.
Melissa Gray came through this actual show.
She had an episode.
And what really struck me about her as an attorney, which again, I was actually quite
nervous about it.
I was like, I don't want to host an attorney on my show.
Let's see how this goes.
Well, it turned out she's like the super nurturer who understands that law doesn't have to be
complicated.
And she not only has the ability to help you understand it, but she does so from the framework
of helping you feel good about the process.
And so having somebody for legal counsel on our team, as well as involved in any of the
companies that I've ever worked with, I started thinking about which of my clients in the
past and prospects that I've talked to, if I ask them, do you have legal counsel?
Somebody represents you?
I would venture to bet that less than 10% of the people that I've met with in business
had somebody on hand that they could dial up and say, yes, I do have a legal counsel
right here by my side to help protect me in the event of something going wrong or to help
go through a document, et cetera.
Now out of those 10% that actually have one, I bet more than 50% are overcharged and on
a retainer that they can't possibly afford if they get into a situation where they need
it.
At Restaurant Connect, we got into a trademark war with somebody.
It cost us $20,000 just to try to protect our brand name.
A lot of that had to do with the fact that our legal counsel probably just wasn't the
best legal counsel, in my opinion.
We probably could have gotten somebody for far less or we probably could have made strategic
moves to protect our budget in time we needed that most.
So visionaries, business owners out there, the goal of helping you find out about materials
and opportunities like this is to create holistic growth for yourself and to start putting you
in a position of being a wise steward of your ventures.
The more wise you become as a steward, the more likely you are to have dominion over
a very successful vineyard.
Now I'll step out of the analogies a little bit.
The water project.
The water project is something that I never want to forget to talk about because there's
millions of people in this world who do not have access to clean drinking water and I'm
about 10 steps away from it at all times anywhere I go.
I've never had to think about where am I going to get my next glass of water?
And so while there's millions of people who are in this position, there's also millions
of us, people who listen to podcasts like this and we're one share away from possibly
finding somebody who can make a dramatic difference on generations of individuals in this case
in Africa.
I love that the water project showcases their projects much like a crowdfunding opportunity
and you can see that Math in Community 3 right now is very close to fully funded and by contributing
$5 to it if you have the ability or maybe you decide to complete the project and you
decide to spend $10,000 on this, I don't know what you'll do, but I know that they will
update you with what's going on with that project, how it's progressing.
You get to see the fulfillment of that project come to life and again, just imagine these
kids that are missing school right now to go get water on occasion or their parents
who have to abandon work in order to go get water for their families.
Imagine the impact that has in their life 10 years, 15, 20 years down the road as they
have stability with the core resource that they need most in life and you and I have
the opportunity to again share that.
Now if you have a cause that you'd like to see us support or talk about on this show,
don't hesitate to drop that in the comments.
We're always checking the comments to see what's there.
We might even bring your cause onto the show and talk about it and again, who knows who
we'll reach that might decide that this is the type of project that they want to give
back to and help with.
So without further ado, Manu Devalle, founder of Flow4.co.
Welcome to Vision Pros Live, man.
Hey Jackson, thank you for having me on your show.
I'm really honored to be here and talk to you about all this and congratulations on
that because it's amazing.
Now that I heard you talking about the water project, it's wow, amazing what you're doing
here.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate that.
Man, I'm sure you're working on some amazing causes yourself on your end.
The first cause though that I really want to focus in on, right, is you just established
this amazing vision for Flow and how you're going to help people with it.
I'm going to pull the website up and kind of drag people through the website, allow
people to see what's here and what's going on with it while you tell us about how you
got here.
So, man, what caused you to step forward and become a founder of Flow4?
Oh, there's not a single cause.
There's a group of things that happened through the years.
So well, actually, I can take us on that journey.
I'm just excited to hear about the journey.
Perfect.
So I've always been very entrepreneurial.
I mean, since I worked with my dad in the textile business, I've always tried to save
money for my own things and to go out with my friends, etc.
And I started, I remember I started selling shirts, going out with my box of shirts to
downtown Mexico City and going door to door selling those shirts.
So that was a big, big thing for me because the first one, of course, everybody rejected
me.
90% rejected me and my shirts.
But that one person that gave me the chance to sell my shirts in his store, it made a
huge difference.
So I went through a lot of businesses.
I had my own advertising agency with some friends.
I had tequila, organic tequila with another friend.
Then I founded a hotel and hospitality supply business.
We still sold bed sheets and all bed linen to the hotels.
And then I founded Homework, co-working in Mexico City, which is one of my babies.
And it still does.
It's still, I mean, Homework is still there.
And we found it in front of the Monumento a la Revolucion.
I don't know if you have ever been in Mexico City, but it's a beautiful spot.
It's a beautiful spot, so we have a very pretty terrace there.
And anyway, so alongside all those businesses, I've always been a people person.
I came to learn that later in life, but I was always focusing on business, business,
business, business.
And then in Homework, I realized something.
I realized that we weren't dealing with companies.
We weren't dealing with businesses.
We were dealing with people.
So that was one of our great successes in Homework that we catered to the needs of people,
not of companies.
So for example, one of the main missions our home managers had was learning the names.
And last names of each and everyone who entered through those doors.
So everyone who would enter Homework, they would be greeted as somebody familiar, so
somebody that you knew.
So we make them feel at home, right?
So anyway, in all my businesses, I realized that I've been dealing or not dealing, I mean,
interacting with people.
And my own people with my own teams, I would use to coach them and to give them advice
on some stuff and even clients, even clients, I would greet them, I would welcome them into
our offices and give them the full scope of what Homework was.
And then I, oh, well, let me go back a little bit.
When we founded Homework, we received a lot of entrepreneurs and we received also a lot
of incubators and accelerators and company builders, etc.
And I've always been very curious.
I've always been very, like we say in Mexico, I go into what I'm not invited into.
So there was this accelerator called Posible, that it's a accelerator, it's a great cost
as well.
I mean, if you can go into it sometimes.
But Posible is a foundation made by Televisa, which is a big media company in Mexico and
Nacional Monter Piedad.
So they did this initiative called Posible and they empower entrepreneurs to build their
businesses and everything.
So they rented Homework for one of their camps.
And so I approached one of the girls that was working there and I said, I didn't have
a clue what I was doing.
I just liked the feeling of it.
But I approached her and say, hey, I want to be a mentor.
What does it take to be a mentor?
I said, oh, yeah, of course.
So we'll invite you.
I didn't have a clue what I was doing.
But so she said, okay, yeah.
I mean, you build a business, you build many businesses, so you have the minimum qualifying
things to be a mentor.
I didn't know what I was doing.
So I went in, I was a mentor for some entrepreneurs in the camp.
And it was an amazing experience, a life changing experience.
I learned more than I could, than they did learn for me.
And so since then, I've been a mentor for many entrepreneurs.
I keep learning, of course.
But I realized that I discovered my calling.
And that calling is to serve other people to empower themselves, either in entrepreneurship
or in life or in creating habits or in living a life, a full life.
So that's when I decided to turn all my experience into a business that could serve people.
So that's a little bit in a nutshell, Jackson.
I don't know if you've heard.
No, it's great.
And so tell me this, Manu, what's your vision for those that you serve?
This can be broad beyond the flow forward, but specifically, let's start with flow forward.
What's your vision for their outcome?
What do you want to see them achieve?
OK, so there have been so many downs in my processes in that little spiral that I tell
you about that I've learned something very valuable that I believe that it will change
people's mind.
I don't know if you've heard of the book Mindset by Carol Dweck?
No.
Well, it's a Bible for me.
It's amazing.
So many of us grew up with this fixed mindset that she talks about.
And what's a fixed mindset?
Fixed mindset is, oh, I don't know if you were good or bad at math in school, but if
you were good, you probably heard a thousand times, oh, he's a genius and he's a genius.
And if you're bad, which I was, I was bad at math.
I've always told myself that I was bad at math.
I was bad at math.
I'm never going to do something good with math.
I'm good at other things.
And so I guess I learned I wouldn't say the hard way, but my vision, and I'll go back
to that where it made sense.
My vision is to get people to do things that they can, that they don't know they can do,
to make things that they believe they are not able to do because of their own mindset.
I'm going to tell you an example.
So I had always the sense or the belief that I was bad for math and bad for numbers.
And I'm since I'm still struggling with that.
So but I'll get there.
So I studied my master's, my MBA at the Pada school because my dad, my, which I, I mean,
I love my dad and I really appreciate all the lessons he has taught me through life.
And he insisted me, get your MBA, get your MBA.
And of course I thought, I don't need an MBA.
I already, I'm an entrepreneur, you know, I don't need anything.
I know everything.
And so why would I get an MBA if I'm not even good at math and, and, and, and, you know,
finance and everything, all that stuff that I see in the meetings, no.
And so I entered the MBA.
I said, okay, I'm going to do it.
I mean, my dad had the, the, he paid for it.
So I, I mean, I couldn't say no.
I mean, the company, the company that I worked for, my family's company paid for the MBA.
So I mean, it was a no brainer.
So anyway, my first semester of finance, they, my first class or second, some, some class
at the beginning, the teacher gave us homework.
So we had to do this finance statement or I remember exactly what was it.
And I, that was one of the first times that I said that I challenged myself.
So I had this belief that I was bad at math.
And so I said, okay, how hard can it be?
So I'm going to do it.
I don't care if it takes me whatever, but I'm going to do it.
So I slept at three in the morning, but I solved it.
I spent a lot of time, what probably someone would spend a half an hour.
I spent like, I don't know, five, six hours, but I, I did it.
So the next morning and the breakfast with my friends, actually my major was in communications
and I was the only one in the masters that had a degree on communication.
There was another from graphic design and a psychologist.
The rest of them, only three out of maybe 70 people were in those types of majors.
The rest were engineers, business, business majors, and economics more related to number
majors.
So as discussing the homework with them, I was quiet.
I was expecting everyone to say, oh yeah, I did my homework and it was like this and
it was very easy.
So I noticed that they start talking and they say, I couldn't do the homework.
Oh no, me neither.
I had virtual and I was just like, really?
These guys that are experts in finance and whatever, they didn't do it and I did it.
So that was a aha moment for me.
That was a moment that really changed my, my way of life.
And not only that, but that semester or that period of my MBA, I was the number two highest
grade in the whole class.
So I was feeling like, like we say in Mexico, like a pavo real, like a peacock.
So that was life changing and empowering.
I guess from that moment I stopped.
I mean, I started questioning my own beliefs, you know?
And I brought the mindset by Carol Dweck because she talks in that book about two types of
mindset that we all have.
We have more of one of another, or there are people that only have one, but we've all gone
through there.
So the fixed mindset is that one.
The one that tells you, no, you're bad at math, don't do anything and whatever.
And also the opposite.
For example, she talks about kids that they used to tell them, oh, you're a genius in
math and you're great.
And what happens to those kids?
The first time they fail, they feel terrible.
They say, they say, okay, so I'm not living up to expectations that I'm a genius.
They've always told me that I'm a genius, but now I'm failing.
I'm not a genius.
So it's an amazing book.
And well, the other mindset, the growth mindset is the one that takes failures as challenges.
So it doesn't matter how much time you fall.
It's, I mean, it's, how do you say that?
It's very sad.
I forget the word.
It matters how many times you get up, get back up.
I mean, it's a phrase that we hear every time.
It matters how many times you get back up.
But it's real.
So my vision for those that I serve is exactly that.
It's keep going.
I mean, if you're afraid of doing something, do it and you'll find yourself doing it very
good, you know?
So that's kind of my vision.
And flow is a great tool for doing that.
So that's kind of my vision to empower people.
I appreciate that you didn't focus as much on the tool, but as much on the outcome.
You know, and you've lived that experience yourself.
And to empower people, and I think that's one of the most appropriate words for this,
right?
Is the empowering, the empowerment, the self-empowerment that comes from getting past the mindset,
the mind struggles that hold us back and allow us to have the confidence to dive into the
uncertainty of growth.
And when we can do that, we can achieve things that we might not have otherwise realized.
Personal story on my side, when I took Strengths Finder 2.0, the assessment that helps you
find out what your top five strengths are, I was shocked when my number one strength
came back as learner.
Oh, wow.
I knew that I was studious and I was known as kind of that genius kid.
But in college, I got the equivalent of like an F minus minus minus minus.
Like I have.33 GPA is not something to be excited about.
And it was only because one of my teachers gave me a C to try to help me like move my
grade up a little bit.
I should have had like a.1.
And so I thought that I wasn't a good student.
I thought that I wasn't a learner.
I was always in trouble for talking too much in class.
You know, didn't know that would lead to podcasting.
You know, but it wasn't until taking that exam, that test where it told me, hey, you
are a learner.
And then it broke down.
You learn through conversation, through social activities and stuff.
And I was like, oh, somebody who appreciates my weakness as a superpower, as a strength,
you know, those types of experiences change the way we perceive our opportunities in life.
And our eyes get open to the fact that, well, we're not broken or bad.
We're just and how we go about things.
So I'd love to know from you what's what's your vision for you, Manu?
What do you see for yourself?
OK, so what I'm working right now is actually that I mean, I'm waiting this week, actually,
for my certification in coaching.
I spent the last, what is it, seven, eight months.
I'm getting certified by Tech de Monterrey as an executive coach.
And because of that same belief, I said, OK, I'm already coaching.
Now I just need the title.
Yeah, right.
I mean, I mean, it's a whole different story because, as you might know, coaching has a
little bit of I don't know, it's not very popular amongst certain type of people that
are very business oriented.
And I mean, it's it's it's I loved it.
It's also life changing.
That certification that I just finished, it's life changing because it teaches you a lot
of things that you can use in your own life.
So saying that.
I'm going to say something life changing for you right now, if that's OK.
Yes, of course.
For everybody who's listening in about this whole mantra that coaching is not appreciated
and coaching is not like what people go to in business and there's this negative connotation
around it.
No, that that is that is so false.
And the liberation that exists in that is the reality that people are so let down by
the fact that there's so many inadequate coaches that are out there that they say that.
But in reality, we love excellent coaches.
Yes.
The key is we've got to become an excellent coach if we're going to coach.
And in the business world, one of the challenges, there's no public track record.
I can claim all day.
I make millions of dollars and claim all day.
I help thousands of people's lives.
You know, I can make any claim I want to.
And there's no bar.
There's no malpractice.
There's no website you can go to to hold me accountable to whether I'm telling the truth
or not.
Yes.
And there is one of the greatest problems with the false sense of authority that people
claim.
Oh, yeah, I'm a bestseller on Amazon.
Calm down.
You have three reviews and your mom bought your mom bought your book.
So that's right.
There's so much posturing involved in the market in general.
But that that word right there is one of the keys.
General common.
The common client is so burned by coaches and the idea of coaching that no, they don't
want to have anything to do with coaching.
The ideal client, though, the people who want to make moves in life, the people who are
the one out of 100, perhaps or the five out of 100.
Those are the ones who are excited to meet a coach, but they're going to be ready to
ask the right questions to hire the right coach for the right reasons.
And we have a great opportunity in sports to look at sports and say, OK, and here's
why I can see the coaches track records.
I can see their win losses.
I can see their interviews, pre and post games.
I can see what contracts they sign.
I can see what players they sign.
I can see what players they ship out that don't fit into the equation.
I can see how their culture and my works because we as a society are obsessed with sports.
We love to see what's going on.
But most of the realities related to that are so public that it gives it paints the
picture and I can say, you know what, I want to run an organization like Greg Popovich
runs the Spurs or I want to run an organization like Bill Belichick ran the New England Patriots
or Nick Saban ran the University of Alabama or I don't want a culture that's like that.
There's so much transparency that exists in that world that it becomes it becomes worth
modeling.
But I would just like to say, Manu, your certification as a coach or your presence as a coach, even
without a certification.
Me, I don't care about the paper on your wall.
Yeah, I don't have a paper on my wall.
I care about the principles that you follow, the way you show up to help me.
Absolutely.
So does the market.
So you do you, man.
You keep going with this vision.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you, Jackson.
Yeah, actually, it's what I came to realize both in the Masters and that I started the
Masters saying and and it's very how do you say that so very well.
I don't know that word.
Sobering.
No, so better be is like, I don't know how to say that's all right.
You keep going.
I'll find it.
It's right.
It's bright.
Oh, proud, proud, proud, prideful, prideful.
Yeah.
So I was I was so like, I don't need a Masters.
I can do it myself.
And now with the coaching, I was exactly the same.
Okay.
I don't need to be taught how to coach.
I already coach.
I just need a certification.
I was so wrong.
I was so, so wrong.
And and and I keep I keep getting those types of lessons.
And I like it.
I mean, I stay open to getting those lessons.
That's a huge difference that I think it's beneficial for us to do things and maybe learn
the hard way.
Right.
So thank God I haven't learned that in the hard way.
But but I mean, I keep open to learn.
And so my vision is to keep working in serving people.
I just I love your your your podcast and everything, because most of the questions are focused
on how you serve.
And I recently launched a daily podcast in English, actually.
Yeah, it's called the daily daily flow podcast, the daily flow podcast tomorrow is my episode
number 50.
So make sure to listen to it.
Yeah, I'm loving it.
It's been also a lesson.
I've learned more than I can ever teach.
So but well, one of the main episodes, I think it was actually one of the first ones.
I don't remember exactly what number it was.
We'll link to it in the comments.
So we'll link to it once we find it.
Perfect.
It was about service.
It was actually about service.
And I went to mass.
I'm a Catholic.
So I went to mass one Sunday, and the priest gave an amazing sermon.
And he told that service was a privilege.
I've never heard that.
I've never heard that before.
I mean, you always say the privilege are the ones who get served, not the other not the
other one, not otherwise.
I mean, not the opposite.
So that was that was like, wow, it is a privilege.
If I have the ability to serve others, that's a privilege that not many people have that
privilege to do.
So that episode is one of the most listened to.
And I love when I started reading your vision prose and all the quest, the preparing questions.
I love that because it's about serving others.
And I guess and I guess my my vision is it's it's like a ripple effect.
Why would I serve others?
Because I know that they are going to serve others and others and others and others.
And that's something I love to do with my kids, for example.
I know they are and well, I'm going to tell you another story.
Yeah, that really gave me a click.
So I don't know how much time we have, Jackson.
We're close to the normal point, but definitely share the story.
And then we come across the worst leadership experience ever and best leadership experience.
We'll try to be more concise on those ones so that we can wait.
But we'll keep going.
We're all right, man.
I like that.
So last year, I went to a how do you say that?
A retreat.
And so many people shared their experiences and everything.
And one of them was, wow, I mean, I'm going to cry as I tell it, because I'm a crier.
So I do.
Bear with me.
And this guy, this guy was telling us his story about how he got cancer.
Then he got into an accident.
Then he went broke.
So I mean, the worst that can ever happen happened to this guy.
And her daughters, of course, were terribly sad and going through depression and everything.
And here's the thing.
He told us about the gardener, the guy that did his lawn, that every time he would how
do you say that?
Put flowers in the windows of her daughters to make their daughters happier.
Oh, geez.
And not only that, but the gardener paid him $100.
To this guy, to his employer, the gardener gave him $100 because he knew that he was
having a hard time.
So not only did he did his lawn for free, but he paid his employer.
Oh, geez.
Oh, that really struck something.
And so I realized how each one of us, regardless of your social status or your income or whatever,
we have the power to change lives, regardless of anything.
I mean, if you feel that you're a nobody and you're going through something, you have the
power to change other people's lives.
So that really, I mean, I'm sorry for it.
But that story hit me, hit me hard.
And so I believe that we are, how do you say, tools.
We are tools from God or from whichever, whatever belief you have.
It doesn't matter.
But we are tools for good.
We can be tools for good.
So I wanted to share that.
I love that.
Well, that covers the best leadership experience.
That's one of the best leadership experiences I've ever heard.
Because the person who's doing the service also had it in their heart to pay, you wouldn't
say pay for doing the service, but he was willing to complete the work and give back
to that individual, you know, very selfless act.
And that is the style of service that I strive for as well and strive to inspire in the world.
So thank you for sharing that story.
Let's dive in a little bit to what's the worst leadership experience that you've ever had
or seen?
You know, you've been involved in a number of different companies.
You've, I'm sure, worked with different leaders, different professors throughout the years.
What's the worst one that you saw?
Okay.
It's kind of, it goes along the same lines that my, the stories that I told you about
the MBA and the coaching.
And it's, it's about what we tell to ourselves, our self dialogue.
Yeah.
And I realized that I sometimes, for example, I had a financial problem in the pandemic.
It was terrible financially speaking.
And so I went to talk to an uncle that I really appreciate that he has been very successful.
And I was like in an attitude, in a victimized attitude, you know, I was like, oh, uncle,
you know, please.
I mean, I, I, all this is happening to me.
Yeah.
Poor me.
I mean, I wasn't that victimized, but I, my, my, I, I thought that my attitude afterwards,
I thought that my attitude was that.
So I was expecting him to comfort me to tell me, no, I'll help you.
You can, I don't know, go ahead.
And it was the total opposite.
He I mean, how do you say that?
He scolded me.
He, he, he beat me up.
I mean, he didn't beat me actually physically, right?
But he, I was, I was like, really?
I didn't say, I mean, prove me.
He was calling me.
So I went out, I went out of the meeting.
I got home and I would stay with my parents when I'm in Mexico, whenever in Mexico, I
stay with my parents.
So it was one of those times.
So I get home from my mom and dad and I tell my dad, how my dad tells me, how are you?
I said, nah.
So, so I was depressed.
I mean, I was my uncle, who I admire had just given me the, you know, and, and my dad told
me, yes, your uncle just told me that he scolded you or whatever.
No, I say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I was still in that same mindset, no victim mindset, the poor of me and how did this call
me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But then I realized how empowering that was.
How empowering that was because why?
Because I made responsible, I made myself responsible of that.
So I believe and I've learned through reading and through being curious about being a victim
that if you stay a victim, you stay paralyzed.
You you you are helpless.
But once you take hold of of your life, once you take the the how do you say the reins
of your life, it's a different story.
It's a whole different story.
So by just the mind changing the mindset of from victim to being empowered to face challenge
and to take responsibility, even if it's not your fault, even if that happened to you by
external forces.
But if you take responsibility of that, it's life changing.
So I guess I guess that would be my worst leadership experience because I transmitted
that to my own team.
You know, being a victim, right.
You permeate that attitude to your to your team.
And when they come to you in that same mindset, then you you realize that you did something
wrong.
That's that's a huge lesson.
Very good.
And and the shift in that case, in that instance came about pretty fast.
I mean, almost it sounds like a same day experience to it and take years of suffering through
that.
There's levels, of course, where we are all constantly growing.
So if this was your last opportunity to share one final power lesson ever for visionaries
that they can learn from your experience, what would the lesson be?
Oh, that's a tough one, Jackson.
What powerful lesson can other visionaries learn from my experience?
Well, actually, the same that I told you, I mean, I did things by empowering myself and
by taking my responsibility of my own life and of my own challenges and situations.
I learned that I can do extraordinary things.
So it doesn't matter if I took a thousand courses on leadership or in whatever, if I
don't take responsibility of my actions and of my situation, regardless of who did it,
I mean, it's never going to change.
So taking responsibility for your actions is it's there's another story that I don't
have the time to I guess we don't have the time to share.
And I actually need to today.
I need to find where I read that.
But I read it in a book that it talked about exactly the same.
A guy that takes responsibility of all his outcomes in his life.
So that changes.
Yeah, absolutely.
Awesome, man.
Well, we are going to going to wrap up for today's episode.
But for those of you who are listening in, if you want to learn more about Manu, you
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You know, what are we doing to help others in this world progress?
We got eight billion people in this world that we could help.
And if you think about the just really how vast that number is, and the fact that only
350 million or so live in the United States and, you know, less than I don't know, I think
less than one billion live in first world countries.
I'm sure it's even less than that.
Feel free to correct me in the comments on what that is.
We just have such an awesome opportunity to be giving back, to spread the wealth, to help
others, to inspire the world, to do great things.
And that's what vision pros is really all about.
So Manu, thank you so much for joining us today on vision pros live.
And we look forward to staying in touch with you.
Thank you, Jackson.
Thank you.
And I hope to see you soon in person.
Yeah, man, let's make it happen.
That'd be great.
Vision pros.
Same goes to you.
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