1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,880 to Nigeria, which is in Africa, and basically to be raised by my Patanel grandparents. So 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,040 just happened that that connection between the two people that brought me, you know, 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:21,440 to this world did not work, you know, right after I was born. But I was blessed with having this 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:28,960 stability of two people, my Patanel grandparents, to provide the love, the nurture that any child 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:36,480 will need. And that has really been the anchor and the stability in my life. I always make fun now 6 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:42,080 when I think about it, I said, think about that 16 hour flight of a, you know, of a four or five 7 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:47,680 or six months old, that I'm grateful I didn't end up in China, right, because I was by myself. So, 8 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:54,400 and I always say if I ended up in China, I will, I will end up speaking, you know, Chinese. So that 9 00:00:54,400 --> 00:01:00,800 will, something would have come out of that. So, being raised with that, I had the opportunity to 10 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,360 learn about the culture, the language, the people, of course, I went to school there, 11 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:14,240 went to boarding school there for my K through 12th grade and finished, went into what you would 12 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:21,280 call the junior college. And then from there, went into college and started out in biochemistry. 13 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:29,040 And my first semester of college was very frustrating and daunting, almost flunking out 14 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:36,320 because of the physical, the heavy physical science required. And so changed my major to 15 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:44,240 microbiology. And so was able to do some of that. And then came back to the United States, where I 16 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:53,280 finished my microbiology first degree. And that began my journey of all things education. And so 17 00:01:53,280 --> 00:02:01,040 started out as a food microbiologist for one of the top milk companies. But I did this all by 18 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:08,400 myself in the lab testing, you know, the validity of the milk that was packaged to consumers. And 19 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:15,440 I realized I'm missing a key thing of what I love to do, people. So I was by myself in the lab, 20 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:23,280 you know, and testing all that. And that began my thrust right at that point that we had our oldest 21 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:31,760 and with a desire to teach her about the things of God and Lady Foundation, we started, you know, 22 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,880 teaching her how to read. She was very precocious and started reading at age three. So, 23 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:43,280 that began the thrust into education that, hey, guess what, we can just teach our own children 24 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:50,160 how to read. And as the other three, the other two came on, so all three of them, they were homeschooled 25 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:58,000 for 11 years. That was the strong foundation into education when they wanted to do a special 26 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,680 program in education called the IB program, International Baccalaureate. It wasn't available 27 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:11,680 to homeschoolers, so we prayed and had the release from the Holy Spirit to send them into public 28 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:18,640 school. Well, you know, if you've ever been around the homeschooling community, that's like a big 29 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:24,640 no-no, you don't do that. And not only within the homeschooling community, we were also homeschool 30 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:31,840 leaders. So we were national homeschool leaders. We had a state organization that had groups, 31 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:37,440 San Antonio was actually one of the cities that we had groups in. And that was a big no-no. Our 32 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,720 leaders send their kids to public school. Nobody does that. But that was what the Lord was leading 33 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:51,200 us to do. And that with them going back into public school, I was able to go back into public 34 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:57,600 school as well. And so, being an educator in different facets from being a classroom teacher, 35 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:06,320 administrator, central staff, regional staff, state consultant, national consultant, and 36 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:12,800 international. So I've had that opportunity. And it's given me a lens to always look at things from 37 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:20,160 different perspectives. But I think the biggest thing for me as a minister of the gospel is always 38 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:28,160 looking at this God perspective in every area of life. So that's a brief on me. 39 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:37,440 That's awesome. Quite the experiences that are super unexpected. I see that pattern through 40 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,200 your life. So we'll come back to that. I'll bring you back on stage. 41 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:47,040 All right. Welcome in to Vision Pros Live. With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host. We'll be doing 42 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:52,160 interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic visions out 43 00:04:52,160 --> 00:05:06,000 there. Hey, and welcome in Vision Pros. I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO of 44 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:12,640 first class business. I'm excited to have Dr. Feyi Obamahinti on our show today. We're going to be 45 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,920 talking about restoring hope after trauma. We're going to find out more about her life experience 46 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:23,120 as well and how she got to where she's at. One of the most incredible and interesting things about 47 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,360 her life that I'm not sure how common it is. Maybe it's more common than I think, but she was born 48 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:34,400 stateside in Arizona and at four months old, she was sent back to Africa to live with her grandparents. 49 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:40,560 And so when we have people who have these extraordinary life tells that our lives are 50 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:48,480 so uncommon, it usually leads to lessons of life that are very important for the rest of us to be 51 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:54,080 able to learn from. And you can go to any history book and find people that go through that, 52 00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:01,040 whether it's today we should be honoring Martin Luther King and the interesting circumstances with 53 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,760 which he grew up and led him to his civil rights movement or Harriet Tubman, or we go back to 54 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,800 Moses and Joseph and the coat of many colors. There's so many different people throughout life 55 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:16,640 that we can gather so much knowledge from because of the extreme circumstances with which they were 56 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,920 born and raised. And now we get to the same life with Dr. Faye. So I'm excited to bring her on. 57 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,840 Before I do, I always want to give a shout out to these sponsors that are listed here. 58 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:31,680 One of them being Sean and Juliana Lechuga from the wellness shop, three sixths, their holistic 59 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,640 program for helping people with health. What strikes me about it, if we just we're going to 60 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:47,360 scroll down here to their, their three, six, five life wheel. Cynthia, this is what struck me about 61 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:54,320 their program is how much they focus on holistic wellness, not just from, not just from meditation 62 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:01,680 and nutrition and exercise, but also looking at joy, spirituality, creativity, finances, career 63 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,920 education, health and beyond. And I was like, wow, that's, that's probably the most holistic 64 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,160 program I've seen related to health. And I'm excited to continue to help them get that off the 65 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,600 ground and move that forward. Then there's the lost spot with Melissa Gray. The lost spot is 66 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,000 one of those entities where when I came across it and I came across Melissa's personality, I thought, 67 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:26,640 man, I can't think of too many entrepreneurs that I know that have legal representation in their 68 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:31,760 pocketbook. Most entrepreneurs that I know, they wait until they have some type of disaster to get 69 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:38,480 in touch with somebody and to put somebody on their vendors list. So when I met Melissa and I saw how 70 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:43,120 much of a nurture she was in addition to how much she understands professionally about legal advice, 71 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,960 I said, you know, this is an amazing program. I've got to learn more. And we dove in deeper 72 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:53,920 and deeper. We spent five to six hours together before deciding to make strategic plans to work 73 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:59,840 together. So the lost spot.com is what Melissa's building out. And ultimately the goal of the lost 74 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:06,960 spot is to bridge the gap between the online automated programs such as law depo or or 75 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:12,000 Crocodoc. I think, I think one's go Crocodoc. What's the other one? Rocket lawyer. Those are 76 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,280 good entities that can get you free or super, super cheap information. But when you need 77 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:23,280 represented, I know a lot of entrepreneurs that end up being represented by by lawyers that are 78 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:28,400 on retainers of six hundred dollars an hour or more and lawyers that happen to be very 79 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,360 aggressive with how often and how much they bill you. And that can kill a small business fast. 80 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,560 So you're looking for representation. I highly recommend doing so before you're in a position 81 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:44,080 of need and finding somebody like Melissa, who is able to help you understand what your options 82 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,560 are before you get into a position where you need it. And then, of course, there's the water project, 83 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:53,840 the water project being my favorite go to cause to support. There's millions of people in this 84 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,400 world who don't have access to clean drinking water. And whether it's the children or it's the 85 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:03,840 parents, somebody is making a sacrifice, whether it's losing out on some of their education to go 86 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,800 find water or whether it's missing work because they need to go find water to provide for their 87 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:14,480 family. They usually have to travel several miles or several kilometers to find a source of drinking 88 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:20,400 water that may or may not be safe for their family. When you need water, sometimes you go for 89 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:26,480 what's right there rather than making sure that it's as filtered as possible. Now, the water 90 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:32,000 project finds these areas of Africa that really need support in those communities. And that's 91 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,240 where you get to find that water project. And then you get to find that exact plan. And if you 92 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,240 fund it for a dollar or you send a thousand, it doesn't matter how much you send, you're going 93 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,240 to get an update of what's going on with that community, what the outcome looks like, how the 94 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,160 people are going to sustain that. There's a lot of transparency built around that. And I really, 95 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,800 really appreciate that. And it's just awesome, too, to know that the impact that you're having 96 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,680 could be a generational impact that blesses these people to be able to do that. And I think that 97 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:03,280 the impact that you're having could be a generational impact that blesses people's lives for decades. 98 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,760 So if you have the opportunity to give back to that, awesome. If you don't, then I would ask that 99 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,800 you just share the information that you just learned about. You don't have to share it through 100 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,440 our channel. You can share the water project directly on your own. And if you do have a cause 101 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,320 that you'd like to see us support as well, don't hesitate to drop that in the show notes for us. 102 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,640 So without further ado, I'm going to bring on Dr. Faye and we'll get started. Dr. Faye, thank you 103 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:30,240 so much for joining us. The Vision Pros Live. Thank you so much, Mr. Jackson. And I love hearing 104 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:36,800 about your sponsors and a big shout out to them. Each one great courses, you know, from wellness to 105 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:43,280 legal representation to the water project. Those are dear courses as well. So great job. 106 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,640 Thank you. We appreciate that. And so I got to ask from your perspective, because this is such a new 107 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:56,800 subject to me. Is it is it common for somebody to be born in the United States and then within 108 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:04,960 their first five years be sent back to their home origin, whether it's Africa, South Korea, etc.? 109 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:11,920 Do you know a lot of people who go through that experience? To be honest, when I started the 110 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:19,760 research for my life story, a couple of years that was released in 2019, I believe I did not find 111 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:27,760 many people. I have a dear friend on the other hand that was born in Joss, Nigeria. Joss, Nigeria 112 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:35,120 is the northern part of Nigeria and her parents were missionaries. And she was born there and came 113 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:42,960 back to go to school here. And so we normally kind of make fun and she is Caucasian, by the way. 114 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:50,320 And so we normally make fun and she's like, I'm Nigerian. And I'm like, American. So and even, 115 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:57,920 you know, to take it further, I say I'm African American. And so I have not seen many I will love 116 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:07,360 to meet many. I know most of the statistics show a lot of people that were born here and traveled, 117 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:14,480 at least when they were like maybe seven, eight or nine, you know, of their life, but not like, 118 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:22,080 you know, the first six months of a new life. You know, that's, you know, I, that's pretty much I 119 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:29,760 know, that's pretty much like a special unique situation. So I'm used to that. So and I always 120 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:35,360 just say sometimes when we read the Bible, and, you know, for those that, you know, have, you know, 121 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:41,440 have faith as a crucial point of their life, we will see so many stories like that, many stories 122 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:48,960 that sound almost impossible, sound almost unrealistic, but it is. And I love that you 123 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:55,280 mentioned, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Because, you know, on a day that we're celebrating who he 124 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:01,280 is, his legacy, you know, I'm remembering some key quotes that are so dear to my heart, you know, 125 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:07,840 one like the urgent question is, you know, what are you doing for others? One like in the end, 126 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:14,400 we will not remember, you know, the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. And the 127 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:20,160 one that really sticks, which is in line to this question is, you know, we're not makers of 128 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:28,080 histories, but we are made by history. So my life story is that I did not choose that. And it's 129 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:35,840 something that, you know, happened, right? It's not something in my wildest dream, if I had a choice, 130 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:42,160 I would choose, right? So it's the same, you know, when you have a baby that is born, that baby 131 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:51,040 did not make a choice to be born, right? And the baby is there. And I see it more like God's divine, 132 00:13:52,000 --> 00:14:00,400 you know, orchestration of life and events, and even the opportunity to have family in terms of 133 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:08,640 my paternal grandparents, give me the natural instability. That in itself is divine. And like 134 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:15,440 I was sharing earlier that put on a plane of 16, 17 hours, you know, by yourself and left to be 135 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:23,120 taken care of by the air hostesses, which I, you know, it took me a while, but I realized I have 136 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:30,240 an affinity, you know, whenever I fly for, you know, the crew, but there's a relation to that, 137 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:38,880 a relation that at one point in time, these are the people that God used to take care of me on that 138 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:46,400 long journey, right? They were taking care of me. And so that speaks a lot that speaks those key 139 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:54,160 things, you know, to me in my life. And so I answer that in the sense that in any life, when we read 140 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:59,280 through the Bible that, you know, God is going to use or do something through their lives, 141 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:06,880 there's always this key point that seems unbelievable, unbelievable in the sense that 142 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:13,600 really, really, really, yeah, but that's the story. Yeah. By myself on that long flight from 143 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:20,400 Phoenix, Arizona all the way to Nigeria, Africa. So yeah. 144 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:26,880 Absolutely. And let's talk about your vision for Oasis Connection Ministries and what you're 145 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:32,240 building over here. Whose Oasis Connection Ministries for? Before we end, who can get 146 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:39,120 involved? Who's it for? Great question. So the vision of Oasis Connection Ministry is 147 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:47,920 for the body of Christ. And we do a lot of equipping, encouraging, and building 148 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:56,800 as a means of a resource depot for pastors, lay leaders. And, you know, that comes in different 149 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:02,320 forms. So we do that. And we do that, you know, through our TV program is actually on Mondays, 150 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:10,480 through Preach the Word Network. We do that through our podcast, Oasis of Hope. We do that 151 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:18,320 through our conferences, through our training. We do that in different outlets. We have a weekly 152 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:25,520 newsletter, a weekly prayer in encouraging the body of Christ. Through that ministry started out in 153 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:35,840 2009, 2009. And so we've been at this for a long time, a long haul in giving people hope. So we 154 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:44,000 believe strongly on the fact that God's Word is not to be used to beat people down. God's Word is 155 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:50,560 meant to use to build people up, to give them hope. So that if they were down and they couldn't 156 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:57,360 continue, the word that we share with them puts something in them, which is called strength or 157 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:04,960 energy. And they can get back up and they can keep going. And also we believe on the Transcendental 158 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:14,080 power of love, the love of God and the love of God in its purest form is one that doesn't seek out. 159 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:21,280 It gives to bless and doesn't give to get. And so Oasis Connection Ministry is all about that. And 160 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:32,960 every facet of what we do is to bless and not to get. And Oasis Focus Inc, on the other hand, is 161 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:42,800 a circular outreach. So Oasis Connection is for the body of Christ people that already have faith, 162 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:48,800 they're leaders, they need resources, they need help. We come alongside and we provide that. 163 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:58,400 On the other hand, Oasis Focus Inc is totally circular. And so, and we do a lot of outreaches, 164 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,920 a lot of outreaches in terms of food distribution that we do in different times of the year, 165 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:13,680 Easter time, summer time, Thanksgiving, Christmas time. And we partner with sponsors that provide 166 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:20,000 those resources for our communities. We normally work in communities that are called 167 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:27,600 disadvantaged communities or distressed communities. And we go in basically as an ambassador of hope, 168 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:32,880 ambassador of God's love, blessing them with developed relationships through the years, 169 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:41,120 because you can go into those communities like a savior kind of mentality. No, you go within the 170 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:48,800 communities to be part of the community, part of the solution, part of the discussion, part of the 171 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:56,240 discussion, part of the collaboration. And that's how you affect the change within the community. 172 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,520 And so through the years, we've been able to partner with great community organizations that 173 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:08,560 were able to provide resources for them to provide also, you know, to their network of people that 174 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:15,040 they work with within those communities. So Oasis Focus Inc is totally circular. It's an outreach 175 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:21,840 and it's under the umbrella, we care outreach. So we do different things, back to school events, 176 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:29,200 you know, that we have, we collect different items through the year so that we're able to do that. 177 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:36,800 That's that. And then there is the wellness project. The wellness project is one that basically 178 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:46,080 it's all about helping people restore hope in their lives after traumatic events, traumatic situations, 179 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:52,960 and letting them know that they're not what happened to them. They are loved by a God that, 180 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,920 you know, loves them so much and wants them to get back on their feet. And one thing I always get is 181 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:05,360 where was God when that happened? Well, you know, it's a great question. Where was God when, you know, 182 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:11,520 I was abused, you know, you know, in different form, whether sexual abuse, emotional abuse, 183 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:19,440 and all the abuse, where was God? Well, he was there. He was there. And that is the honest, 184 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:26,880 stacked truth. So in my situation, when I look back, where was God? God was there in the form of 185 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:34,240 those airline crew that took care of me, even though no one will think in their wildest dream to, 186 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:39,280 you know, it's not something that will even cross my mind, you know, as a mother of three daughters, 187 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:47,120 right, actually stayed home to ensure that they get what I didn't get. Because normally that's 188 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:53,760 how you set legacy. And that's how you break destructive cycles, right? And so being able to 189 00:20:53,760 --> 00:21:00,080 do that was important. But when you think about it that, well, where was God? He was there in 190 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:06,320 form of those crew. They made sure I was fed. They went sure that dirty diapers were changed, 191 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:15,760 you know, 55 years ago, they made sure that if I needed to sleep, if I had a cry, they were there. 192 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:23,600 And they made sure I was delivered safely to the country that I was going to, you know, I mean, 193 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:29,040 four or five, six months, you don't know what's going on around you. So I could have been dropped 194 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:36,000 off somewhere, but they made sure of that and ending up with, you know, my paternal grandparents. 195 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:45,520 So God was there. Even though it was a horrific, you know, thing that one will say, you know, 196 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:52,800 the separation and all of that, but God was there. And I always say the same as well for those that 197 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:59,760 have experienced traumatic events or situation, God was there. Just look for him in that way. 198 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:08,320 And many times when we look back in hindsight is when we can recognize that indeed that was God. 199 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:16,640 So for me, instead of being wound up in all the negativity surrounding all of that, right? 200 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,360 Being wound up in all of that and allowing that to be the throne of thought, 201 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:28,160 the throne of thought, I'm able to see the hand of God. I'm able to see the goodness of God, 202 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:37,040 that even within that 17 hours flight, God was there in each one of those crew members 203 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:44,720 that took care of me because 17 hours is a long time for a little baby. And having raised three 204 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:51,200 children of our own, taking care of a crying baby at night that needed to be fed, that needed diapers, 205 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:59,440 that had colic, that was sick, that had temperature and all of that, for whoever those set of crew 206 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:08,720 were to be that for me on that plane, that was God. And so, and I always say, always think, but when 207 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:15,680 when we look in hindsight, we're able to see and make those connections. At that moment in time, 208 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:21,120 when our hearts are broken and shattered, we're not able to see those pieces all, you know, 209 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,040 divinely orchestrated. So yeah. 210 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:32,960 Awesome. And let's dive into another subject. We're going to dive into a darker side of life. 211 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:39,280 As leaders, we face this. What would you say your worst leadership experience ever has been, 212 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,040 or worst leadership experience that you've seen? What does that look like? 213 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:49,840 Wow. Both. I've seen both. I've been recipient of both. And I think many times, 214 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:58,080 we tend to, as leaders that have gone through things and helping people to be better in their 215 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:07,920 lives, we tend to take those sour lemon experiences and transform them so that we can help others. 216 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:15,200 We can help others. One of the key things that I've been, that I've seen, bullying, harassment, 217 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,760 in, and I don't want us to think this way now that, oh, maybe it's in the world. I've seen it 218 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:28,720 everywhere. I've seen it in churches. I've seen it in workplace. I've seen it in school. And many 219 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:38,320 times, I made excuses for some of those leadership in different ways. But something happens when you 220 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:44,480 get home and you're able to see things differently and you begin to understand the little pieces on 221 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:53,680 that. Something that should not be. I've seen other leaders berate people, right? Because they 222 00:24:53,680 --> 00:25:01,360 feel they have the power. They feel they have the upper hand, so to speak. I've seen them devalue, 223 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:12,080 demean humans in different ways. So those kinds of leadership, and I think that's why I have this 224 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,520 soft spot. I have a podcast called Points of Leadership, always wanting to highlight how 225 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:24,800 leaders can identify great leadership, because we all can identify what great leadership is. 226 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:33,200 Worse leadership experience being what we will call, I think in the psychological world, they call 227 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:40,080 that narcissistic leadership, narcissistic behaviors and tendencies. But this aspect of 228 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:46,880 suppressing, harassing, and bullying people is one of the worst leadership experience ever. 229 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:54,720 Yeah, absolutely. There's quite a bit of that that's going on. And it's cool. Point of Leadership 230 00:25:54,720 --> 00:26:01,120 podcast, one to pay attention to and look out for. Let's move into the opposite side of the territory. 231 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:07,680 What's your best leadership experience ever? Oh my goodness. I have been blessed with lots of those. 232 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:15,040 But you know, as humans, many times is that few experiences that our minds tend to get tethered 233 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:24,240 to, and it's a life skill to quickly learn how to cut that. And instead, we focus on those best 234 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,600 leadership experience. Again, I've seen best leadership experience when he has to deal with 235 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,600 church, school, community, workplace. I've seen that. I've been blessed with that. And I've been 236 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:41,120 blessed and graced with a lot of those relationships that I have some of the best leaders as mentors, 237 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:47,280 even. I've seen leadership that shows that they care. And I think that's one of the key things. 238 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,600 A leader that cares shows that in different ways that you know they care for you as a person. 239 00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:01,520 Not just because you're part of their team, you're part of their organization, you're part of 240 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:08,640 your part of an initiative that they're doing. But there's this genuine care they have about you. 241 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:16,560 They have this care. They want to see you succeed. And to have leaders like that, it's a gift 242 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:26,000 because not all leaders can. And also to have leaders that believe this for all people. 243 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:32,320 Because I've seen leadership that believe that for certain people, certain group of people, 244 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:40,320 and for not another group of people. And I love when I have leaders that see people as people 245 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:47,760 created in the image of God, whether you are talking about Caucasian, Latinos, African Americans, 246 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:53,280 it doesn't matter who you're talking about, but they understand that. And because you know, 247 00:27:53,280 --> 00:28:00,160 a leader can say they care about people, but if you look at their life, and you look at the thread 248 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:08,400 that they've woven, and you see the pattern that their leadership tends to only care for certain 249 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:15,200 people, it doesn't matter what they tell you. Their life thread already speaks the volume that 250 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:21,920 we all need to know that you don't care for all people. You can paint the picture, 251 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:29,440 and I think the pandemic has helped us a lot. And I love that that's happening in the discourse of 252 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:36,880 our culture as a people, a whole people, where now people are more critical thinkers. 253 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:43,280 So you can easily sell stuff to people. It used to be you could tell them something and 254 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:50,240 they'll gobble it down. But critical thinkers of our culture are able to look at the thread and say, 255 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:57,040 yeah, what your actions do not line up with your words. Yeah, you're saying you care for all people, 256 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:03,360 but we see the thread that you've woven so far, and we can tell that you have a disdain for 257 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:10,880 certain group of people. And you know, so I say that because it's important that best leadership 258 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:19,120 cares for all people. And anyone, and it's always said, people don't care how much you know, 259 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:26,480 until they know how much you care. And they can see that that care transcends all people, 260 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:33,520 you know, and when people see that, they know that because it speaks for itself that you're truly, 261 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,480 truly for all people, whether that's school, whether that's community, whether that's a 262 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,240 workplace, whether that's church, they'll see that you're truly for all people. Because you know, 263 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:52,160 I always say you can pull a fast one on people maybe one time, but by the time people get well 264 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:59,600 on the inside, things shift for them and they can see things for truly for what they are. Yeah. 265 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,080 Yeah, that's, that's big. There's a lot behind that. You did name my favorite quote, which is 266 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,040 people don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care. That's my absolute favorite 267 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:16,240 non-biblical, non-scripture quote. John Maxwell. Dr. John Maxwell borrowed that from Teddy Roosevelt. 268 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:22,160 Oh, he did it. Okay. Well, he borrowed it from somebody else. And I love it. He uses it a lot. 269 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,120 So yeah, he uses it a lot and I just love that. Yeah. And I, I'm a huge fan of Relationships 270 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,160 101 by John Maxwell as well. He's a legendary eater. He's a legend. He's a legend. You know, 271 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,160 it's funny. It reminds me of another, this is kind of a self-quote, but 272 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:42,320 great leaders are also great followers. And that's another reality is, you know, we're, 273 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,040 we all have the opportunity to follow and learn from, from somebody or anybody, depending on how 274 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,920 we look at that, but this critical thinking aspect, you're right. COVID did create an 275 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,800 opportunity for us to become more critical thinkers. And there's, there's again, there's 276 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:06,800 a concern as a parent concern as, as a, as an individual in society too, that I'm a big fan of 277 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:13,280 the quote as well. Good is the enemy of great. And that's one of those scary transitions the world 278 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:20,720 has taken, has taken is, you know, we've, it's one thing to recognize that there's people with bad 279 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:26,080 intent out there. And I think that's what the world has grabbed at this point. And I think 280 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,880 the world has gravitated towards now it's like, Oh wow, there are people with bad intent. Let's 281 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:39,200 start labeling people, you know, and rather than just labeling the action and those who are truly 282 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:46,560 deceptive in the ways that they do things usually aren't inherently bad. There's usually just a 283 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:52,560 small twist of, of truth. And so while, while the world's progressed to the critical thinking, 284 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:58,720 it reminds me of a homeless guy I brought into my house and I helped him get in his feet. He, 285 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,960 six months later, he was able to get his own apartment for the first time. He was able to 286 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,800 move on with his life. And just like I anticipated, you know, about a year and a half later, he came 287 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:16,000 back home. I'd help again, much like sending your, your 18 year old child to university and they come 288 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,680 back and they've learned some things, but now they need another hand up in order to move to that next 289 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:27,360 level. And at the same time, now they're more difficult because the challenge is greater. 290 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:34,480 They have some of the puzzle figured out much like going from math 101 to algebra to calculus, 291 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:42,400 right? And if you're, if our, if our arrogance and our pride get in the way of, 292 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:48,640 of that type of learning experience, we, we may not develop all of the critical thinking skills 293 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:54,000 that we need to truly recognize who are these great leaders that are out there. And that's why 294 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,360 I'm so grateful for podcasts like yours, points of leadership, right? And being able to dive in 295 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,800 over and over and, and really figure out the depth of, of not settling for good, 296 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:12,240 but really making that transformation to greatness and understanding there's a big difference 297 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:18,320 between those who are good and those who are great and those who are taking good actions versus those 298 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:24,320 who are taking great actions for, for helping society. That would be one of my power lessons 299 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,920 is that to dive in even deeper, if you think your critical, critical thinking skills are good, 300 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,720 check yourself and aim for greatness with your critical thinking skills. 301 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,960 Now, if you were to share one powerful lesson with other visionaries, they can learn from 302 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,160 your experience, Dr. Fahey. And this was the last chance, your last critical lesson or powerful 303 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,840 lesson you could share, what would it be? You know, you've said so many things right there 304 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:59,360 and I am with you. I have this book sitting on my shelf from good to great. So it's so true. And 305 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:07,520 no one sets out to be a bad leader. And there's this concept of 306 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:15,520 what they did is bad, but they're not bad. And being able, that takes critical thinking, 307 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:26,560 being able to dissect that and discern that to embrace the person and help them in getting up 308 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:33,680 or getting better. It's crucial. Because I'm always of the mind, you know, as a minister of 309 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:41,040 the gospel, the element of redemption and the element of hope, if there's one powerful lesson 310 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:49,520 other visionaries can learn from my experience, it's we as visionaries are called to be ambassadors 311 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:57,520 of hope in whatever that vision is. And as ambassadors of hope, the ability to be able 312 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:04,720 to separate those two things is so important. Yes, they did something bad, but when you get to know 313 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:13,760 them, they are good people. They are not bad people. And many times our young people find 314 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:21,040 themselves in that quandary that, okay, I must be a bad person because I did something bad. 315 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:28,640 I must be a bad person because I did something bad. I must be a bad person because I made a mistake. 316 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:42,160 And as visionaries, we have this powerful impact and powerful influence of being an ambassador of 317 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:52,720 hope to restore hope back to that one person, to 1000, 1 million. It doesn't matter. But seeing 318 00:35:52,720 --> 00:36:00,560 that and being able to do that takes critical thinking in the face of the world. But as a 319 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:06,240 minister of the gospel, it takes the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit helps you to be able 320 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:15,200 to dissect that. And that's what it takes to be able to give people second chance, second chance 321 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:22,720 for them to get back up, second chance for them to show the greatness of humanity that, yes, 322 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:30,640 they understand that, yeah, I did something bad, but I'm not a bad person. And many times, 323 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:40,960 finding that they were bad or they did something bad, many times, 100%, because I'm in the 324 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,640 wholeness space and wellness space, has to do with something that was broken on the inside. 325 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:54,960 And when that thing that was broken on the inside is fixed, like the world like to say, 326 00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:04,400 like to say, you're able to see a better person, a better them, that that same person, maybe 10 327 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:11,760 years ago, yeah, you know, they made those choices that they did something bad. But now within the 328 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:21,520 span of 10 years, they've had a visionary that reached out to them, embraced them, gave them 329 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:29,520 a second chance. And you're able to see the greatness and goodness of humanity come out of 330 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:36,800 them. And you're able to say, okay, yes, now they're able to make better choices. They're able to 331 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:47,360 see things better, clearly. Not everyone can do that. I understand that. But most visionaries 332 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:55,600 that have been in those trenches, that you wish someone could be that for you. Now, when you're 333 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:02,400 on the other side, you actually recognize you are the gift now to others. Yeah, you didn't get it. 334 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:09,200 People didn't do it for you. That's fine. But hey, that's why you're the visionary. That's why now 335 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:15,360 you are the ambassador of hope, the encourager extraordinaire to the community, to the world. 336 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,160 Now, that's why you're an advocate. You're not an advocate because someone advocated for you. 337 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,720 Now, the passion that you have is because at one time that you needed someone to be an advocate 338 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:34,320 for you, there was none. But now that you are now on the other side to be a blessing to humanity, 339 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,000 you have that passion and you understand what it means to be an advocate. Because at one time, 340 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,960 you did not have one. So now you can be it for others. And as you develop others, they're able 341 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:58,560 to also adjust their thinking and see that and they're able to embrace that. And now with that 342 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,600 transformation in their thinking, they're able to be it for others. It's like paying it forward. 343 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:10,960 Like 1000 times, let's go forward and do that. And so it's so important that as leaders we're 344 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:17,840 able because if our world needs anything right now, that's it. I'm going to share a little snippet 345 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:27,760 story that really touched me. We were looking and hiring for different people and things like that. 346 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:37,600 And you know the processes that go, the company has this first line of screening applicants 347 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:45,760 and all of that. And then it comes to the hiring manager and all of that. And there was this 348 00:39:45,760 --> 00:40:01,440 particular video. It made me cry. And the applicant said, all I need is a chance. Give me a chance. 349 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:09,680 That was all the applicant said. And that touched me to the core because 350 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:17,040 the applicant mentioned applying several times to the same place. And it's like, all I need is 351 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:33,120 give me a chance. He had that chance because that is giving people hope. That gave him hope in 352 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:40,160 the company that gave him hope. And there is this enthusiasm that he's brought to the team, 353 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:52,800 but it gave him hope. I heard what was not said on the screen. I heard it. I heard it. And I said, 354 00:40:52,800 --> 00:41:03,520 I heard it. I heard it. And I said, guess what? Yes, he's going to get that chance. And sometimes 355 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:10,160 God allows each one of us to be that for someone at a specific time in their life, that they're 356 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:18,400 needing something that only you can provide for them. And you're able to do that. And you do it, 357 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:26,960 you're gone. But it will always be a reference point back in their life because they will always 358 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:33,600 remember that at the lowest point of their life, somebody was there. Now for some people, 359 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:41,440 they're able to do that well. And some people depending on different choices and people they 360 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:49,520 have around them, they're not able to get up and really go. Yeah, we know that happens. But I like 361 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:57,440 to look at it from the broad perspective of doing that for others, giving people the hope. That's 362 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:06,240 what hope is. Hope is tangible. Hope is not a myth. It's tangible. And it happens in different areas 363 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:14,880 of life where we're able to give them hope. And you say, yes, you get that. So if that's one of 364 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:21,200 the greatest leadership lesson, powerful lesson I can share with visionaries is we're ambassadors 365 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:30,960 of hope and hope is tangible. And if I look at it even as a spiritual leader, hope is a person is 366 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:38,480 Jesus Christ. And people are looking for us to give them that tangible hope of the person of Jesus 367 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,160 Christ. It will be like, I'm out and someone says they're hungry and I say, Jesus loves you. 368 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:54,160 And I walk off. But in my wallet, I have a hundred dollar bill or $50 bill or $20 bill. Do you know 369 00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:01,520 they'll understand Jesus loves them if I dive into my wallet, if it's only 20 or 50, I'm able to give 370 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:09,120 them that message is going to resonate more with them that Jesus really loves them. So attaching 371 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:19,760 that action of hope of a second chance with the message brings transformation and is able to 372 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,960 empower them to actually say, okay, I can get up, I can keep going. So that's an example. 373 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,080 Yeah, absolutely. It very much can. And I, you know, I'm going to tie two concepts together 374 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,560 that you shared. I love this ambassadors of hope aspect. I've got it on the screen now for those 375 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:41,600 who are watching. And there's the ambassadors of hope. And on the flip side, like you mentioned 376 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:47,680 earlier, I love that you said you go into communities, not as saviors, right, but as 377 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:53,120 participants, as part of user would part, I'm using the word participant, very similar words, 378 00:43:53,120 --> 00:44:00,000 right? Part of the community without that heroes complex, again, terms worth looking up if you are 379 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:08,480 a leader listening then and the ability to then inspire people and create a movement by focusing 380 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:14,320 on the virtue of hope is I've seen it play out in many different ways and many different styles. 381 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:20,240 The other opportunity that's there is when we become an ambassador of hope, and we allow people 382 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:26,080 to find their own hope to their own sense of internal hope. That's something they can carry 383 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:35,920 with themselves beyond beyond or having to rely on us for that sense of hope. So the it reminds 384 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:42,320 me of the story. It's called a million miles away, the movie on Amazon Prime right now, and Jose 385 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:50,320 Hernandez became the first Mexican American astronaut. And he was turned down over 11 different 386 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:57,120 times from the program. And he finally marched his way up to headquarters for NASA to turn another 387 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:02,880 application in and they they told him you are not going to get in, you know, and and his resilience. 388 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,120 So his family told him he wasn't going to get in. Everybody told him you need to give up on this, 389 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:12,400 man. Like let it go. You know, focus on on your career and the great opportunities that you have. 390 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:19,600 But he knew what he needed to find. And so while there was this this brokenness created by 391 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:25,840 the external factors, and perhaps he did some things too in his life that created some brokenness, 392 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:35,200 he didn't allow he didn't fixate himself on the problems and challenges at hand. He continued to 393 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:41,280 focus on the outcome that was there. So I love Dr. Faye that you said, you know, something that 394 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:48,240 happened maybe 10 years ago. My hope for those who are listening to is if there's something that 395 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:55,040 happened 10 minutes ago, if there's something that occurred 10 seconds ago, you can gravitate 396 00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:02,000 towards this power of hope, create restitution around it, and realize that you can move your life 397 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,480 forward. You do not have to sit and suffer because of whatever that is. And if you and you don't need 398 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,360 the permission of the world to do so, you know, it does there's not a matter, you know, oh, well, 399 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:19,920 100 people said you're okay now. So now you can it doesn't matter what others say. It's between you 400 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,200 and God, you know, and it wouldn't it's in between you and your Creator, you and your cloud, you and 401 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:32,160 your universe, whatever you want to call it. That's that's also between you and and your deity. But 402 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:38,400 that to me is where a true social hope comes from is when we can find that within ourselves, 403 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:44,720 because I think for most of us, the hardest person to forgive is ourselves as ourselves, 404 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:51,840 because we have 100% evidence that we did something wrong. Right? It's we know there's no doubt, 405 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:57,440 there's no second guessing when we do something wrong, or we do something that we're not happy 406 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:04,720 with. It's it's so crushing. Because, again, we have a perfect knowledge that it was out of line 407 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:10,960 with what we wanted. And so when we can exercise the virtue of hope and forgiveness within ourselves, 408 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:18,560 and learn to do so immediately, the beautiful reality of that is then we can immediately get 409 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:24,000 back on track with the great things we can do in this world. And that that we don't only have the 410 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:32,320 responsibility to do, but it becomes liberating for our own journey. So feel free to add anything 411 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,120 you'd like to that will bring up a little bit more about your background, what you're up to in the 412 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:43,360 world, Dr. Faye. But as we wrap up, any final thoughts you'd like to share? Oh, I love all what 413 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,080 you've said to if I can shift you, I want to make sure that we honor those listening in. 414 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:53,680 In regards to restoring hope after trauma, right? So what are your thoughts on that? 415 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:59,520 I love that. Because everything that we've been talking about this point is about restoring hope, 416 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:06,960 you know, in any traumatic situation that might have happened in our life, whether through our own 417 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,800 choices, or the choices of others, because you know, many times, my grandmother always say, 418 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:18,880 pray this prayer, pray that you your path never crosses that of an evil person. And you know, 419 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:25,280 I was little, and you know, it doesn't make any sense. But having lived life with different 420 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,800 lived experiences, I understand that that's a big prayer. Because many times some of those 421 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:37,360 ditches we might find ourselves could be the choices of others, others that have chosen 422 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:43,440 to suppress us or press us in any form of way. And I'm saying it because I want to be open today's 423 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:51,360 a day that we honor the legacy of a great, you know, man, a great general of faith, Dr. Matthew 424 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:59,840 Luther King, Jr. And I don't want to gloss over, you know, the ills of our society is there. It's 425 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:05,600 there in every facet, you know, whether we say school, community, workplace, church is there. 426 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:13,920 And having this understanding of the inherency of what this hope is all about is so important, 427 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:20,160 even to a day like this. So I will say that, you know, for, you know, for someone like that, 428 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:27,040 that have gone through that, understand that when we say Jesus loves you, he truly does. 429 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:34,960 And I want to speak, you know, to this idea that we can forgive ourselves. We tend to do that because 430 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:42,880 we feel that we are own God, but we're not who are we not to forgive ourselves if God says he 431 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:50,640 forgives you. So to sit on the throne of one's life and say, okay, you can forgive yourself is 432 00:49:50,640 --> 00:50:00,320 to make yourself a God. And that's a dangerous place to be. If God says, come to me, confess your sin, 433 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:08,560 and I forgive you. You have to believe exactly what he says. And he says, I make all things new. 434 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:18,080 I'm giving you a new chapter. Take God as at his word. But when we sit and we stew and we pity, 435 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,840 and we can forgive ourselves is because we think we're all that in a bag of chips and we're not. 436 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:30,800 That's the honest, we're not God, we're the creature. He's the creator. And if the creator 437 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:39,760 say, I forgive you, receive that gift. And let that gift be the uplifting of hope, and keep on 438 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:46,960 going and keep on going. And if others make you because people do that so well, they like to throw 439 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:53,680 shame, like confetti to people, whether they're talking here, talking there, find you a new group 440 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:59,840 of people. Those are not your people. They don't want you to be well. They want to have dominance 441 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:06,400 over you so that they can keep, you know, bringing up your past, bringing up your shame. Those are 442 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:13,360 not your people. They don't want you well. They want you broken, so you are stuck, so that you 443 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:20,880 cannot move. Those are not your people. Find people that love you, and they love you enough 444 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:28,240 to tell you the truth, but they understand that the past is the past. And they understand that God 445 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:35,440 has greater in store for you. Let that be the restoration of hope, even as you move forward. 446 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:42,160 And I have a story about the Savior complex that you talked about, the hero complex, the hero 447 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:48,800 complex that you talked about. It just happened maybe about two months in our community. There 448 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:56,160 was this organization that was trying to come within this community, and they had, you know, 449 00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:03,680 they did not listen to the people. They had this hero complex and this Savior complex, and they 450 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,720 went to the local government because they needed some things, and the local government said no. 451 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:13,760 You know why? Because all the people within that community went to their local government to say, 452 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:19,040 hey, they're not listening to us. They think we're nothing. They think they're everything. 453 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:24,560 They think they have all the answers. They think because they have resources that that's it. But 454 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:31,440 we don't need their resources. We need people that will participate with us, that will understand us. 455 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:40,720 That was a big, a big view of the value of understanding. You want to walk with a group 456 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:46,960 of people, with anyone, understanding is so important because if you don't understand them, 457 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:56,800 it's just not going to. So all my closing thoughts comes to the fact that we are not gods. God is 458 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:04,400 God, and He's alone to be God all by Himself. So why will you not forgive yourself? Forgive yourself. 459 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:11,280 It happened, but guess what? It becomes part of your lived experiences to be better. You can't help 460 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:16,480 other people if you don't have some things under your belt. So see the goodness in all of that, 461 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,080 that even though that happened, yeah, pick up yourself. Keep going. God has greater for you. 462 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:29,920 Go for the greater and all that God has for you, but don't spend another day being stuck, being 463 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:36,000 crushed, whether by your own choices or the choices of others that try to suppress you, that try to 464 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:42,240 use you, that try to abuse you. Know that there is better. Evaluate your circle. And if your circle 465 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:46,880 are the kind of people that don't want you well, they're not your people. Look for others. God has 466 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,800 created tons and tons of great people out there that want you to be better, that want you to be 467 00:53:52,800 --> 00:54:01,840 well. Yes. Well, very, very powerful. I do want to share one final thought because from a scriptural 468 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:08,160 standpoint, I have something to meditate on related to this. There was a time where Jesus 469 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:16,240 was challenged on the thought of His godliness and His response was, is it not written that you 470 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:24,160 are gods? And that scripture passage takes place in John 10, 34 as well, where He says, no ye not, 471 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:31,440 that ye are gods. And at the same time, here's what we have the opportunity to meditate on, 472 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:38,800 all of us, right? Is, you know what? If I'm going to take on my role as a son of God, 473 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:44,640 an heir to the throne, as Roman says, then I also have to keep my ego in check and say, 474 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:51,280 am I going to create my own path as a potential God of my own life and say, my path is better 475 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:57,760 than yours? Or am I going to use my divine powers to align myself with the God of love and hope 476 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:05,280 and follow Him in full confidence that He knows what is best for me? And so I would only add to 477 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:12,000 the reality of what we're really striving to talk about, which is let's let pride and ego go to the 478 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:17,520 side. Let's use our humility and our strength of creating community. And I would say one of the 479 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:26,960 things I gained from your story is the power of contention, which is a power that's not helpful 480 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:32,880 for relationships, right? If we, you know, Jesus also called that out and said nothing that comes 481 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:41,360 from God, it comes from, contention does not bring about anything wholesome. It's a thing that's 482 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,480 not good for you. It's a power of the adversary. And so if we want to be better community leaders, 483 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:54,000 we want to help people achieve goals and growth that we can be proud of and sleep well at night, 484 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,120 knowing that it came from Him, then we also have to recognize that anytime we contribute to 485 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:06,560 contention, we're not doing His will. But if we can create it with harmony and respect, and that 486 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,520 also respecting the fact that some people may or may not want our help, then in my opinion, 487 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:17,120 we're moving towards that greater leadership that I'm such a fond, that makes me a fan of John 488 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:22,560 Maxwell and how he teaches leadership. So Dr. Faye, this was awesome. Thank you so much for 489 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:29,040 being on the show, for bringing your power, your passion, your love, as well, all that so easily 490 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:35,280 felt. And thank you. It's a great honor. It's a great honor. It felt like, you know, we're at 491 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:41,440 Starbucks having coffee and talking about our passionate topics, you know, and leadership is, 492 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:47,120 you know, one of those. So it's been an honor. And I just thank you for what you're doing and 493 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:54,400 empowering people, equipping people. I think that's one of the greatest vacancies we have in our 494 00:56:54,400 --> 00:57:00,400 culture right now, especially our young people. People are looking for hope after COVID, after 495 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:07,680 the pandemic, boy, families, I mean, schools, churches, people are hungry for hope. And I'm not 496 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:15,600 ignorant of the fact that, you know, this is an election year again, and, you know, the culture 497 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:22,720 will try to pit us against each other. I'm not, you know, ignorant of that at all. So as those 498 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,760 leaders that understand, and I love the fact that you shared the scripture, as people of God, 499 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:33,680 as ministers of the gospel, there's a mandate for us to bring peace within our communities, 500 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:41,760 to bring it with such humility that is acceptable. It's embraced because people know, you know, 501 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,400 they know, you know, what it looks like and what that is. So thank you for having me. 502 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,440 It's been a great honor. 503 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,880 Vision Pros, if any of you are up for being on the show, you have a vision to share that's calling 504 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,000 you, then absolutely apply on visionproslive.com, top right corner, be our guest. We would love to 505 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,400 hear your vision. And we'll talk to you on the other side. Have an excellent week, everybody. 506 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:03,200 Bye-bye. 507 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,120 Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that you tuned into Vision Pros Live. 508 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:12,160 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward. This is 509 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,320 going to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well. We'll invite people 510 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:23,520 to participate in the show. And thank you for giving us your time and attention. Have an excellent time.