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Tell me in a very brief elevator pitch, what do you do to help men become champion leaders

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with God, for God?

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How does that work?

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Well, I mean, I believe everything starts with vision, Jackson.

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Right?

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You know, I mean, I've heard that-

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You know I'm a believer.

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What did Helen Keller say?

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The only thing worse than not having sight is not having a vision.

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And so I feel that the first thing that I feel is my superpower, it's the gift that

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God has given me, is to be able to, you know, sit down with a man and figure out where he's

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at, but more importantly, be able to figure out where he wants to go.

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And most men, that's a struggle.

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You know, that's a big struggle to really, because they're trying to create a vision

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or a new life based upon where they're at or all the negative and the things that they've

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struggled through, right?

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And so, you know, I just believe that being able to help them create a new vision for

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their life, you know, where now all of a sudden there's excitement and now we back that vision

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with the right strategies and the accountability and really, you know, that's what I'm all

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about, man.

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So-

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That is so powerful.

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All right.

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Welcome in to Vision Pros Live.

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With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host.

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We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic

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visions out there.

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Hey, what's up?

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And welcome in to the show of Vision Pros Live.

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I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder and CEO of First Class Business.

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Whoa, let's fix this so you can see the logo a little bit better.

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Let's get my vanity on this.

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Just kidding.

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Anyway, the opportunity I have right now is to talk to Kurt Tucker.

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And Kurt Tucker and I, I'm just going to tell you right flat out, we are both super, super

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strong believers.

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So, there's a lot of faith injected into this episode.

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My hope is that if you're an individual who maybe doesn't enjoy the woo-woo stuff, you

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know, or the spiritual stuff on life, that you still strive to catch the principles out

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of what it is that we're talking about because principles are universal, regardless of people's

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religious backgrounds.

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And this is going to be primarily principle driven from my side, I think.

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And if you can make space in your heart to open your mind and to just allow yourself

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to see from other paradigms, who knows, maybe this can change your entire perspective.

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So I'll bring Kurt on in just a minute.

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Before I bring Kurt on, I also want to talk about some of the tools that we utilize, resources

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that we have, people that we work with, and in the form of our sponsors.

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One is the wellness shop.

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Now, some of you who've been on the show have met Sean LeChuga because he's also on track

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to become not only a strategic partner of mine, but also a potential equity partner

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here at First Class Business.

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And Sean has this program called the Wellness Shop 365, and him and his wife, Juliana, have

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dedicated themselves towards helping people with their holistic health.

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And that goes right along with our mission at First Class Business of holistic growth

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for entrepreneurs.

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It's not just about wealth in terms of being financially set, but also making sure that

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we're finding balance in life and taking care of our health.

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I love their family.

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I love what I've learned from them.

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So if you do decide to join us on Vision Pros and you submit your application, one of the

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people you might talk with before you actually talk with me is Sean himself.

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And I've let Sean know very clearly, too, our number one priority at Vision Pros Live

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in First Class Business is to take care of, is do what's best for the person that we're

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serving.

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And if that means that wellness in terms of health is even more important than the show,

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he has my 100% not permission endorsement to help people, to say, hey, I can help you

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on this.

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And at the same time, he's not a pushy individual.

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He knows how to invite people.

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What you just saw on your screen if you were watching, if you're not, you might tune in,

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is part of the rebranding process we went through in helping him shape the future of

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his logos and his brand identity, his core values, mission statements, et cetera, to

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help lay a better foundation for them to build their online assets on.

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Let's move over to the law spot.

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The law spot is by the founders, Melissa Gray.

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She's an attorney and she's building a legal program to help small and medium sized businesses.

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When I say she's building, she's a practicing attorney.

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She's very successful at what she does.

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What really strikes me about her though is her nurturing nature as a mom, but her nurturing

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nature in terms of helping people understand legal without condescending at them or without

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pressuring you and without the need to make you feel like, when am I going to get hit

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with this thousand dollar bill for this two minute conversation?

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Her ability to attract the market at large helped us to see like, wow, this lady has

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got some amazing depth to her.

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And she's also been a lot of fun to work with and build things out with.

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We've been talking lately about the business ownership information that goes along with

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the corporate transparency act, I think it's called, but there's a fine coming up for anybody

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who doesn't submit this new paperwork to the government of $500 a day, I've heard.

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Again, I'm out of my territory when it comes to that stuff, but connected her with a couple

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of CPA friends of mine so they can start working on, all right, what are the legal ramifications

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What else is going on?

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How serious is this?

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What are the legal ramifications to accomplish?

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It seems pretty easy, but people are going to need to know about it.

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So another couple of plugs for you visionaries out there in terms of what things you might

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want to be getting ahead of going into this year.

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Then there's the water project.

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We are so blessed, I am so blessed to be able to grab this bottle of water that took me

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all of, I don't know, two and a half minutes to go get from my kitchen, right?

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And then in the other side of the world, there's millions of people who don't have access to

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clean drinking water, but there's amazing programs like the water project.

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The water project shows us which communities need help to get access to clean drinking

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water, how many people in that community will need it, what it's going to cost to fund these

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And you get to see the progress as it goes once it's funded.

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If you decide to fund an entire project yourself, God bless you.

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If you only have the ability to promote a project, you don't have the ability to contribute

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financially, then don't underestimate the power of your voice or the power of the share

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button.

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You never know who's going to do what with that.

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And it's a miracle for us.

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Those of us who don't have to think about water, I would love to see you guys help out

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Now, last but not least regarding that, if you have another cause that you'd like to

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see supported, please don't hesitate to drop that in the comments.

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We'd be happy to take a look and see what causes you're supporting out there.

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Without further ado, I want to welcome my new friend and vision leader, Kurt Tucker.

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Welcome, Kurt, man.

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I'm happy to have you on the show.

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Man, I'm excited to be here, brother.

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Excited to be here.

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Absolutely.

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Founder of Champion Builders.

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Oh, I love it.

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You were talking to me right before the show, you started to mention that you're going to

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reach out the tests of the water project.

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Do you mind diving in?

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What do you mean by that?

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What's going on?

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So a couple of years ago, as I'm building my marketing company, I work with Jim's all

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across the country as my other main business.

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And I went to my brother, who's my business partner.

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My wife and I have had a vision for a long time because when I was building our home

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that we live in right now today, I'll give you the back story, is we were living in a

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rental for about six months while our home was being built.

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to the house, put them in the water thing.

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And really, God just checked me.

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He said, you know, son, man, you're so blessed.

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You're building this brand new massive home and all these different things.

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But I want you to think about the mom that has to travel miles every single day and put

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her and her children at risk of being attacked by animals and raped by different people.

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And he said, you know, after this home is over, I want you to build a water yard.

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I want you to, you know, and I didn't know exactly what that meant.

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And I think there's a teaching point in that right there that, you know, Jackson, sometimes

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when God calls us to do something, he's not asking us necessarily to know how exactly

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it's going to happen.

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He's just asking us to be obedient.

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And so, you know, sometimes I like to say we don't know.

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We don't need to know the how, but we need to know the who.

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And so I did some research and I reached out to the water project and got aligned with

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tests and said, what do you want to do?

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And I said, I want my own project.

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You know, we're going to fund it.

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And I did have a few people that kind of pitched in to help it, and we built a water project

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in I believe it was Uganda a couple of years ago, funded the whole thing, got to see it

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from start to finish, which I think is so incredible just to be able to think of how

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many thousands of people that are are being benefited not only from the clean water, but

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once again, how we're protecting those women and those children from those things that

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happen to them that I really don't even like to talk about.

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So now, you know, really our goal is to be able to continue to do that amongst some of

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the other ways that we love to give.

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And so when I saw that your partner with them, I thought, man, this is my kind of guy.

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So I appreciate that.

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I do got to clarify.

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Don't have a partnership with them, but I do promote them.

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And we were working, I was actually working at I believe the person I was working with

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was Teresa, it's been a while now, and we got in the process of putting the partnership

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into place and there was there was new legal ramifications yet again of certain thresholds

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that had to be met in order to do reporting certain styles and all that.

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It got a little complicated and I was like, you know, I just I can't focus on this right

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Building what I'm building, but I will continue to support.

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And if I get in trouble someday, I'll take my slap on the wrist and we'll keep going.

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But you can't slow me down from helping.

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So there was that.

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But it now a great, great organization there on the ball.

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And it was it was fun to see.

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I do.

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I'm going to share something real quick because you nailed it.

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Check this out.

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So you hit something right on the head that I hope people, you know, pick up what you're

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putting down on this, this lady right here, her story of going looking for water, you

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know, like I would have a hard time on the path that is ahead for her.

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That's crazy.

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She's got sandals.

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You know, you can see how she's carrying this.

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You can see what it's done to her body.

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I'm having done this for decades.

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Oh, my goodness.

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We are so fortunate to be in the situation that we're in.

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And again, we have the capacity to give back and help in these scenarios.

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And so I don't I don't look at that within with an awe of like, wow, this is cool.

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No, it's a wow.

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How humbling that is, you know, to understand that somebody sacrificed their entire life

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doing that.

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And I have the opportunity to step up.

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Will I will I or will I not?

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It's my opportunity.

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So moving into your vision, though, you've got a lot of people you're helping in the

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world in different ways.

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The audience of listeners, I know there's a lot you can do for them.

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What's your vision for those that you serve?

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I mean, Jackson, I just believe God's vision and the mission that he's called me on, as

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I like to say, to love and encourage and empower people to become the champion leaders that

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he created them to be.

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I believe that, you know, there's two definitions to the word champion.

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There's the one that is where we if we have an athletic background, we know it's it's

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to to work towards that vision, that ultimate goal being the best at whatever we do.

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And, you know, as a husband, as a father, as a leader, that's my ultimate mission is

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to be the very best to serve my family.

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To help us win and create what I like to call the champion life, which is a life of abundance

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and freedom and victory.

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We're we're winning on every single area.

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But then there's the the dual definition of champion, which is to, you know, fight on

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behalf of other people, to be a defender of of their purpose.

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And what I found is that, you know, many men, pretty much all men need a champion in their

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You know, that was the game changer for me, you know, over a decade ago was, you know,

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one guy came into my life and helped me get clear on what my vision was, my mission, my

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And that was the absolute game changer.

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So now, you know, having that vision to just continue to pay it forward, but do it at an

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even higher level to impact a million men, because I know when I impact a million men,

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it's not just men, it's it's their family, it's their community, it's their church, it's

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generational.

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Right.

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And so anyhow, man, that that is the ultimate vision for me and why champion builders exist

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and everything that I ultimately do every single day.

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I love that.

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Now, you've you just impacted me in a big way.

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And a lot of times it's the simple things in life that we overlook.

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We don't catch what's being put down, put down right in front of us.

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And so you talked about the dual relationship of champion.

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So I'm sitting here playing with that on my notebook and I wrote champion being the best,

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you know, what you do.

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I'm not being better than others.

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For me, it's about being the best of what I do and to be my best self.

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Two, I wrote champion to promote a cause, to champion a cause.

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Right.

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So that's what I caught as my second.

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I'm trying to predict where you're going with this.

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I'm like, all right, to promote.

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Yeah, that's awesome.

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To champion the cause.

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I'm going to get out there and I'm going to talk about it.

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And then you said champion being the defender.

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You know, and that really hit me because I was like, huh, I overlooked that side of champion,

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but that's that's so aligned with my heart.

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Number one, I'm a healer.

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Like, that's my number one.

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I would say my number one character trait, too.

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I'm a protector through and through.

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As a protector, I'm a defender.

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Right now is like, oh, that's so awesome.

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So I got a little trio going on with the championship thing that promote aspect also, you know,

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I caught onto.

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So I appreciate you putting that down.

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What what's your vision for you, Kurt?

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Mike, and let's like what is what do you think is on the horizon for you over the next couple

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of years?

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Well, you know, I'm in this season of moving, you know, out of the fitness industry a little

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bit.

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So like I said, you know, I've sold my any time fitness franchises.

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So I was in the fitness space and the gym space for a long time and decided to ultimately

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sell my gyms.

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I still work with a lot of gyms all over across the country with gym growth experts, my company.

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But really over the last couple of years, God's been calling me as I've, you know, hit,

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you know, past the 40 mark.

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I'm 42 years young, I like to say, where it's like, what's the second half of my life going

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to look like?

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And how can I take, you know, the last 20 years or so of, you know, business, of life,

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of marriage and ultimately, you know, serve a greater purpose?

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And so, you know, my wife and I were super passionate about pouring into, you know, marriages,

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helping people, you know, earn more money, because, you know, the reality is, is sometimes

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money gets a bad stigma, right?

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You know, it's not the, you know, it's it's the love of money.

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It's not money, you know, that is the root of all evil, right?

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And so when we have more money, we're able to do things like fund water yards and be

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able to bless other people in our church.

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And so, you know, now my vision is just ultimately, how do I create the best version of Kurt Tucker

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that shows up every single day, you know, to champion, you know, his family, to champion

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his businesses, to champion the people that God's called me to come into their life and

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ultimately, you know, be their very best.

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So so every day, you know, that's really when I wake up on the 5 a.m.

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or Jackson within five minutes, I'm in a cold shower, you know, doing something right away

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that I don't want to do, you know, because let's let's face it.

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I believe that we are trying to get conditioned to be, you know, comfortable.

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And when we're comfortable, we're not going to go out there and ultimately, you know,

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live out our full purpose.

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So every day from the moment I wake up, I'm challenging myself today.

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How am I going to get better?

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How am I going to have the best version of Kurt Tucker show up, you know, so that I can

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do all the things that God's created me to be?

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That's awesome.

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Well, great, man.

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I appreciate you sharing that.

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There's a there's a derail I want to do.

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So I want to move outside of the confines of Christianity a little bit and outside of

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the confines of of even God and talk about, you know, and honor the fact that there's

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agnostics, there's atheists out there, there's spiritual beings, people who, you know, have

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a different way of describing the universe and the the pole and attraction that exists.

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There's a common there's a common complaint or a common view that is quite valid, right?

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And that's, you know, let's when I was on my mission, you know, the constant view I

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ran into, I would ask people in Uruguay, you know, what what their what their background

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is and they'd say, oh, I'm I'm Catholic, you know, and I and they try to wave me off,

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you know, oh, cool.

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You know, like how is mass?

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I mean, I'd love to know, you know, and we didn't go we don't go to mass, you know, like

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we're we're it's a tradition, you know, it's part of our family heritage.

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So we are we don't we don't need to talk to you.

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We already know about God.

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And I'd say, oh, no, that's OK.

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I was like, in fact, my family's Catholic, too.

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My dad and my dad's side of the family.

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And you know, and they'd be a little bit caught off guard by that.

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And it was I'm not again this in the whole world, but this is what happened 90 percent

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of the time in my conversations with people.

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And I talked to a lot of people every day as they would then go.

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Hey, listen, if God were real, why are there so many wars?

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Why are there so many people hurting?

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Why do good people?

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Why do bad things happen to good people?

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Why do babies die?

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You know, why why is why is all that?

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Why is there so much suffering in this world?

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And why are so many Christians?

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Doing the opposite of what they're what they're talking about.

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Tough subject.

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Very tough.

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But that was again the core getting under the surface, you know, of, oh, I'm such and

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such label, you know, it didn't matter.

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They said atheists or Catholic, et cetera.

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Uruguay is predominantly a Catholic nation.

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You know, and so it was it was a common trigger.

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This is not an attack on Catholicism.

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This is not an attack on any label.

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It's about the underlying surface realities that are there.

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So what why are we as Christians so bad at following our beliefs, so to speak, from that

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outside perspective?

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Why are we such hypocrites?

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What's going on with that?

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Yeah.

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How do we make room for both sides of the equation of the of the of the fight on this,

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so to speak?

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Yeah.

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And that's a great question.

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Number one.

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And I would say, you know, Jackson, it's a battle of good and evil.

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It's free will, you know.

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And you know, for me, it's one of those things where saying yes, you know, to Jesus as a

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Christian, you know, in my opinion, is is the easy thing to do, right?

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Because that's just a one, you know, time decision.

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It's really the process of what we call sanctification, the discipline.

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Or you go into that sanctification.

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If I'm in a room with a hundred Christians and everybody said, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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And they all look at me and say, what about you?

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It is not easy to say no.

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Right.

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My entire family is a certain religion.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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And they look at me.

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What about you?

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You know, it is not easy to say it's so much easier to conform and say I think it's very,

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very valid.

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Let's talk about the sanctification.

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I love that.

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What about sanctification?

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What does that mean?

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So sanctification is is literally the way I look at it is it's a process of becoming

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more like Christ, you know.

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So obviously for me, you know, when I said yes to Jesus, that was a game changer for

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me.

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And the first thing I like to say to somebody is that I didn't understand everything when

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I said yes to Jesus.

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All I really know for me is that where I was at at that time in my life where literally,

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you know, I just bankrupted my family.

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I'm sex addict, drugs, alcohol, house foreclosed, cars repossessed, on food stamps, on the verge

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of a divorce, literally just ready to give up.

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And the one thing that I did was I began to start going to a church because I'm like,

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I don't know, you know, what else to do.

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Right.

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And the reason why I went there is because one of my coaches that I grew up with was

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in baseball when I was like 13 was a pastor.

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And I said, hey, I'm going to go.

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I'm going to check this place out.

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It wasn't one of those churches where they were hitting you over the head with a Bible.

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It was very, you know, just come as you are, wear your jeans, wear your t-shirt.

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Please welcome type of deal.

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And what I began to start seeing Jackson, you know, was, you know, there was people

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that I began to start to connect with that their life was different.

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Now, obviously, if we walk into any church, you know, as I like to say, you know, a church

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is not a saint, you know, place for the saint.

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It's a hospital for sinners.

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So everybody should be welcome no matter what it is.

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But for me, the guys that I began to connect with, you know, there was something different

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about them.

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There was something different about their marriages.

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I was introduced and I feel so thankful to some some entrepreneurs.

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And I was an entrepreneur, right?

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Some guys that would be real and raw with me and say, hey, I struggle with pornography.

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I struggle with this addiction.

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You know, I struggle with marijuana, all the things that I was dealing with.

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And they didn't make me feel guilt and shame about it.

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They just made me realize how they overcame it and how I had this power in me that I didn't

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mean to understand and how I should just start reading a proverb a day, how if you just read

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that regardless of looking at it as a religious book, but just the wisdom of reading a proverb

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a day, because I was already a guy who was reading books and all those things that I

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could just get wisdom to apply to my life and my marriage and my business.

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And that's where I started at.

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And that was a game changer, you know, for me.

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So I can only go by experience, you know, as far as my own story and what happened to

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me and why I became such a believer, because through making these changes, you know, fruit

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begun to come, as we like to say, my life began to change.

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You know, and I think when you begin to start having some success, whether it's in, you

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know, in this context or in your business, when you have a high level entrepreneur that

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says, hey, if you started doing this and this and this in your business, and all of a sudden

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you double, triple your income, you're going to be a believer.

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You're going to be like, man, I need to do more of this.

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And I think that is the process from a spiritual standpoint, from a Christian standpoint of

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sanctification, where when we begin to do things, we begin to become more like Jesus

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and we have this fruit in our life.

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And the greatest fruit for me, by the way, Jackson, was peace.

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It wasn't money.

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It wasn't my marriage.

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It was just that I had this peace about me that I felt like, man, I was looking forward

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to life every single day or before I wasn't.

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Yep.

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Absolutely.

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I caution the audience to be careful of associating your external gains with your internal transformations.

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At the end of the day, you know, God controls those external gains, much like Job's situation,

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where he's doing everything right.

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And that's what the story says, is he was doing everything right and yet everything

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was going wrong on the surface to the point where his friends and his friends doubted

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him and said, what are you doing wrong, man?

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You're screwing this up.

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And his wife said, why don't you just curse God and die?

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And so a lot of times we do associate the external blessings and realities as something

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that we've earned by our righteousness, by our faithfulness.

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And we end up often falling into a trap where we don't see fully.

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Yet I don't want to steal the thunder of the 99% of things that I heard and what you said

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where I'm like, man, that's so powerful.

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That's so powerful.

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I want to also shift gears and say that I'm one of those lucky, fortunate people who has

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one of the best moms in the entire world.

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So as you're talking about God being there for us, in terms of your friend said, study

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Proverbs, one verse a day.

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Just do that one little verse.

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It reminds me of a baby just drinking a little bit of milk each day.

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And then eventually that baby grows and things happen and change.

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I imagine myself, what I'm going to tell my mom right now is like, hey, mom, will you

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carry me?

467
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,120
I'm a 36 year old man.

468
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:15,480
How is my mom going to do that?

469
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,720
And would it be in my best interest for her to do that?

470
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,960
No, no, it would not.

471
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:29,800
But I can almost guarantee you if I became disabled tomorrow permanently, my mom would

472
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,640
push my wheelchair.

473
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,280
My mom would take care of me again and she would help me figure out what that rehab process

474
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,920
and that physical therapy process looks like.

475
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:46,020
And as a very imperfect parent, as we all are, we would still do things like that for

476
00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:47,800
our children.

477
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,460
And that's God.

478
00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:54,480
It doesn't matter if we are a baby in infant form or if I'm working on something today.

479
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,080
I got my own baby aspects today that I need to work through.

480
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,080
And God makes grace.

481
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:04,500
He makes space for me to be able to take one step at a time towards that.

482
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:08,120
Even though I'm that 36 year old macho alpha man who's supposed to have it all figured

483
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,040
out and I don't.

484
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,600
And again, you shed light on a subject that's near and dear to my heart.

485
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,400
And that's no matter where you're at on your path, you can take positive steps.

486
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,800
But if you're at the stage where you're supposed to be walking for yourself, do not go ask

487
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,060
your father to carry you through this life.

488
00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:33,440
We have a duty and a responsibility for ourselves, to ourselves, to use our strength and to strengthen

489
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,040
it where we can.

490
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,920
Let's talk about the worst leadership experience ever.

491
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,520
So what is your worst leadership experience ever?

492
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,680
What does that look like, Kurt?

493
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,000
That's a great question.

494
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,860
You know, I have a saying, all leadership begins with self leadership.

495
00:27:51,860 --> 00:27:59,200
And so, you know, I would probably say, you know, for me, the worst leadership is just,

496
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,880
you know, during that season of life where, you know, I just I didn't leave my own family,

497
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,880
you know, right.

498
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,800
It's one of those things where, you know, I just I realize it's like, hey, listen, you

499
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,080
know, like, let's just look at it financially.

500
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:19,320
You know, it's like, hey, if if I can't even take care of my own family financially, how

501
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,420
am I supposed to be a blessing to others, whether it's to to the church, to the single

502
00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:28,880
mom that I want to help because my mom was a single mom, you know, whether it's to a

503
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,400
water yard or whatever.

504
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:38,480
And I think that most of us, especially us men, sometimes it's difficult to do things

505
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,480
for us.

506
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,680
And so we need to find something else that's going to drive us, that's going to motivate

507
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,880
us like your family, like, you know, maybe, you know, your church.

508
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,760
You know, when we talk about the water project funding that that water yard, that was a motivator

509
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,000
for me to go out and do what I didn't want to do because I knew that there was somebody

510
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,920
depending upon me and my commitment.

511
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,720
And I think when you talk about commitment, that's probably the one thing that holds people

512
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,720
back.

513
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,960
You know, I heard it said that, you know, most people are looking for courage to get

514
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,880
started and the courage isn't coming.

515
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,920
But once you get committed, then all of a sudden the courage comes, you know, and you

516
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,680
begin to get into action.

517
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,800
So I think the worst leadership experience for me is just that time in my life where

518
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:33,120
I wasn't stepping up and being the man that God created me to be, that my habits, my rituals,

519
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,680
you know, the things that I was doing in that time were less than, were subpar.

520
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,960
And the moment that I decided to raise my standards and to get around people that were

521
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,800
doing life at a higher level, that were going to hold me accountable, which is what, you

522
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,240
know, my brotherhood is all about and champion builders.

523
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,200
It's about men that are saying, hey, listen, I'm not going to let you continue to do life

524
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,800
at this level because there's a new level, you know, that you can go in your marriage

525
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,440
and your business or whatever.

526
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:08,640
So, so for me, man, it's just looking back in that season of 2006 to eight and saying

527
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,040
never again, you know, there was so much pain that was created there.

528
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,120
But I'm grateful and thankful for that experience because as I like to say, there's no such

529
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,120
thing as failure.

530
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,600
There's only feedback, right?

531
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,520
You know, so without me going through that season of life, you know, you know, without

532
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,680
me having a dad that was in and out of prison, without me going through the financial struggles

533
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,260
of bankruptcy, without me going through those struggles on my marriage, I'm not the man

534
00:30:33,260 --> 00:30:34,260
of God.

535
00:30:34,260 --> 00:30:35,260
I'm not the husband.

536
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:36,260
I'm not the father.

537
00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:37,260
I'm not the leader that I am today.

538
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:39,680
So I'm grateful, you know, for that.

539
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,680
But I can tell you that I don't want to go through that again.

540
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,720
So therefore I don't behave that way anymore.

541
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:54,880
Man, that gets way close to home, way close to home and to shed it, you know, just to

542
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,880
again really to extend the foundation of what you've laid there.

543
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:06,600
Yeah, I, on my side, you know, it takes two to tango and a marriage.

544
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:11,520
And on my side, I was not the tango partner I needed to be.

545
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,920
I lost my marriage.

546
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,400
I had made my choices.

547
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,000
I made my own bed with that.

548
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,520
And you talk about this doing enough, right?

549
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,520
Doing what we're supposed to.

550
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,680
I thought I was, it was justifying the fact that I was, and it took a lot of pondering

551
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:33,560
and a lot of five mile walks, listening to scriptures, listening to motivational speeches

552
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,080
as well, you know, studying out lots of concepts.

553
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:43,060
And I came to this realization that again, go back to the baby concept, right?

554
00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:44,060
Baby comes into this life.

555
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:48,720
That's the most pure thing that you can think of with the most protected incubated process.

556
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,360
And yet they're fighting every day for what they need.

557
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,920
They need fed, they need food, you know, they need water, they need all the things that

558
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,920
they need.

559
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,100
They need sleep and they need to be protected.

560
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:03,800
And it's an uphill battle for the sake of their strength.

561
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,320
And that uphill battle doesn't stop.

562
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,320
It continues.

563
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:13,120
We are in a river floating, floating down the stream and our goal is upstream.

564
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,480
We have to, we have to be willing to paddle our boats faster than the current.

565
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,440
I was paddling, but I was joyriding too.

566
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,160
I would dive into my scriptures once in a while or I would, I would go to church.

567
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,240
I would use strengths that I had, but I wasn't strengthening myself.

568
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,000
I wasn't doing enough workout for gains.

569
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,000
I was doing just enough workout to show I was in the gym for myself, but I was losing

570
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,240
and losing and losing.

571
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,040
And it wasn't, again, I had to, I had to eat some humble pie in life in order to make that

572
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,040
shift.

573
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,080
And with the same time I got to, right?

574
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,080
It's board choice.

575
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:56,120
It's recognizing, you know, God was doing for me what I needed in order to listen, in

576
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,600
order to figure out what was going to be best for my gains.

577
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,720
And so I honor you for sharing the realities of the struggles that exist there.

578
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:10,520
And again, helping us, helping us dive into those lessons, remind ourselves of what we

579
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,360
can do to ultimately move forward.

580
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,720
So I wasn't that worth leadership boat with you, my friend.

581
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,120
What about the, what's your best leadership experience ever?

582
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:35,760
Oh, man, I would say my best leadership experience was the, was the day that I met my coach,

583
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:42,720
Jay, you know, because, you know, that was the day that, that somebody finally grabbed

584
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,760
a hold of me and showed me, you know, as we talk about, you know, vision, what life could

585
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,720
be like, you know?

586
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,360
And that's why I'm such a believer that I believe that everybody needs a coach.

587
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,440
Everybody needs a mentor.

588
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,760
Everybody needs a champion, right?

589
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,240
Because once again, you know, I didn't know what I didn't know based upon, you know, how

590
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,440
I grew up, right?

591
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,160
I was limited, you know, based upon my own mindset.

592
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,080
Because our mindset, our belief systems are shaped by our past experiences, by our, by

593
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,600
the things that we've read.

594
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,360
Well, let's just be honest, the things that I had read prior to that weren't things that

595
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,320
I began to read after I got a new vision for my life, right?

596
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,520
Like, we're always looking for things that are going to support, you know, our belief

597
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,520
systems, right?

598
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:33,720
So, you know, for me, that new leadership example, that new leadership experience of

599
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:39,520
having somebody come in who was an incredible man of God, that was a great husband, was

600
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,680
a great father, was a successful entrepreneur, both his kids played basketball at Ivy League

601
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,000
schools on scholarships, right?

602
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:55,120
Like he was embodying what I would define as a champion leader and a champion builder.

603
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:00,000
And so when the first thing that he did was help me create a new vision for my life and

604
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,080
understand my mission and my purpose that I was overthinking, you know, you don't have

605
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,200
to go to a three day seminar to figure out what your mission is, what your purpose is

606
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,400
in life.

607
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,520
It clearly states it for me at the end of Matthew.

608
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,440
I'm a part of the great commission, you know, I mean, Jesus said to go and make disciples.

609
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,800
I just changed that, make disciples and to build champions.

610
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,800
That's it.

611
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,660
I took those two words and said modernized it.

612
00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:30,900
I'm just going to take everything and say, hey, I can do this.

613
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:32,440
I can use these gifts.

614
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,700
I can use these talents, these experiences that I've been through and I can make sure

615
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:40,920
that I can help the next man, you know, rise above.

616
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,160
Maybe some won't have to go through those things that I went through.

617
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,920
Maybe some, at least I can help them after they did go through it, go to the next level.

618
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:56,080
So that leadership, you know, he made me realize that, you know, to break that simple leadership

619
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:03,000
word down and not complicate it and basically just say, hey, Kurt, listen, all leadership

620
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,640
is self leadership.

621
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,440
If you can begin to learn how to lead the man in the mirror, you know, then, hey, if

622
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,980
you begin to not negotiate with your commitments, with the things that you said you were committed

623
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:14,980
to, right?

624
00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:20,000
I use that word a lot, you know, Jackson, committed because I believe that everything

625
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,480
is going to rise and fall on your commitment.

626
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,460
You know, if I wake up today and I'm committed to loving my wife and honoring her and working

627
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:34,240
out and working my business, but I just don't feel like it, I know now to say, hey, look,

628
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,800
I don't live based upon my feelings.

629
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,080
My feelings will lie to me, you know, but if I live based upon my commitments and what

630
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,360
I said I was going to do, ultimately there's going to be a different outcome.

631
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,800
So he really taught me that leadership is nothing more than self leadership.

632
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,980
And if I could learn to lead myself, to manage myself better every single day, not trying

633
00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:54,980
to be perfect.

634
00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:57,680
Tony Robbins says it's not about, you know, perfection.

635
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,680
It's about progress.

636
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,400
If every day I can just get a little bit better.

637
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,300
So that for me was the best leadership experience example, if you will, is just having somebody

638
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:07,980
who was ahead of me.

639
00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:12,900
You know, take what I felt was complicated and really break it down and make it simple

640
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,240
for me so I could execute it.

641
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:18,240
And that was a game changer for me.

642
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:19,240
Interesting.

643
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:25,160
One of the things that I appreciate about you too, Kurt, is you have these quotes that

644
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:31,840
are so quotable and it comes from, it comes from refinement in your own meditation processes.

645
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,920
I'm projecting a little bit, but I know it's not easy to come up with concise statements

646
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,520
that resonate to the depth that some of yours do.

647
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,280
You know, that doesn't just happen on a whim.

648
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,280
If it does.

649
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,280
That's discipline, Jackson.

650
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,280
If you see on camera.

651
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,280
You got to the Shakespeare level.

652
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,280
Go ahead.

653
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,760
If you see on camera behind me, I have about 13 years of journals from really every single

654
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,340
morning.

655
00:37:59,340 --> 00:38:04,480
You know, I spend time, you know, in devotion and meditation and visualization and writing

656
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,480
down.

657
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,560
And I think I'm on journal number 42, you know, where, you know, every day, you know,

658
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,640
a lot of times when men ask me like, what do you journal?

659
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:20,120
That journal is where I put every goal, every vision, every devotion, you know, what God's

660
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,940
speaking to me when I go on a business trip and I'm taking notes in a seminar.

661
00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:29,920
When my wife and I and our family go on a vacation and we're traveling home on the plane,

662
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,160
I write down all the magic moments and maybe I'll put a ticket in my journal of that game

663
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,560
that we went to with my son.

664
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:43,060
Just all those things that I've captured over the last 13 years that I've created as a discipline

665
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:47,400
of my life that is absolutely been a game changer.

666
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,800
So it's I've been very intentional about that discipline in my life.

667
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,800
Love it.

668
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,800
Absolutely.

669
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,800
We share the habit.

670
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,100
It's definitely something that, you know, if anybody, if there's anybody finds value

671
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:05,840
in what I say or conciseness or I do good at this podcasting and people feel that way,

672
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:06,840
I would agree.

673
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,680
It has a lot to do with the amount of time that I spend journaling, documenting, you

674
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,160
know, and studying things out.

675
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,080
One of the things I'm going to be studying out this week and reflecting more on is your

676
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,080
position on feelings.

677
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,040
And I don't want to box you and I know it's not a permanent position.

678
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,640
You know, there's context and nuance to everything that's shared as well.

679
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,940
Again, visionaries, you're in the moment though.

680
00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:32,600
And so, again, is this is this validation and agreement with a guest, right?

681
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,720
You got two paradigms coming together as this mutual respect.

682
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:41,160
And part of the mutual respect, too, is the ability to debate, the ability to agree to

683
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:47,200
disagree, the ability to share that, to mold and realize we're both going to learn after

684
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,360
this call to, you know, and keep going and building that relationship.

685
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:56,080
So visionaries who are listening in, especially podcasters out there, if you're a podcaster

686
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,080
and you're a yes man, people can tell.

687
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,200
I'm just going to say that.

688
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,360
I'll just write where it's at.

689
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:08,800
And if you see the opportunity to to try what you're doing when you argue with somebody

690
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:15,880
in a state of love, not in contention, is you're trying to showcase your own desire

691
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:21,420
to understand your own desire to grasp the concept and see like what's here, where's

692
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:23,500
the truth and the matter?

693
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:31,040
So I would I would challenge that from my own growing up in paradigm, the idea that

694
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:38,100
the commitment and the logic trumps the feelings is a masculine behavior.

695
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:44,880
And it's an idea that's 100 percent valid that the logic and the commitments matter.

696
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,060
And I would include the space for the gift of feelings, too.

697
00:40:50,060 --> 00:40:55,480
And when our heart and our mind align, for me, that's the only time I have an absolute

698
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,360
certainty that answers from God is when those two things align.

699
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,640
I know that nothing else can make my heart and mind align.

700
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,800
He's the only thing.

701
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,400
And that's where peace comes into play.

702
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,920
And when I get an answer in my heart or I get an answer in my mind, it could be from

703
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:11,960
God.

704
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,920
But there's also another level of influence that comes in and that wants us to see things

705
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,920
a certain way.

706
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:23,400
I see a lot of women out there and again, feminine men who are more feminine in nature

707
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,280
that that move towards their feelings.

708
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,160
And I have certain family members as well.

709
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,760
We probably all have them.

710
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:36,200
The woman in our life who falls in love with some man and she's so head over heels over

711
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,080
him and she's got all these feelings and emotions and it's wonderful and she prays about it

712
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,440
and she gets that confirmation.

713
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,240
She knows this is the best thing ever.

714
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:46,840
And everybody in her life is telling her logically like you're missing this red flag, you're

715
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,840
missing that.

716
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:48,960
She's got these rose colored glasses on.

717
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,760
That's why they have labels for the stuff because it happens so often to so many people.

718
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,880
And they ignore the logic.

719
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,840
They ignore the commitments, the realities to the disciplines, and they find themselves

720
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:06,240
in an extremely abusive relationship wondering why God led them to that reality.

721
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:12,840
On the flip side, men who love to say, yeah, my guts telling me they don't want to admit

722
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,840
the heart.

723
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,960
They don't want to talk about the feelings.

724
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,960
It's my gut.

725
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,960
It's not my heart.

726
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,960
That's fine.

727
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,960
Whatever.

728
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,960
Semantics.

729
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,960
But they oftentimes ignore that.

730
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,960
It's a no brainer.

731
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:24,960
You hear words like that.

732
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,360
It's a no brainer.

733
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,360
It's the absolute.

734
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,360
It's the logical thing to do.

735
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,920
And they take this business transaction or they do something according to the logical

736
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,200
plan.

737
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,200
I can find it.

738
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,000
I don't need a map.

739
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,920
That's the common one that people love to joke about.

740
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:46,480
And they find themselves sitting on the curb wondering why the no brainer ended up being

741
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,020
the thing that made absolutely zero and no sense.

742
00:42:50,020 --> 00:42:52,280
They ignored that hunch.

743
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,680
They ignored that feeling out there.

744
00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:00,880
And I'm not saying, again, masculine, feminine, and where all that, you know, I don't want

745
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,880
to get into that debate.

746
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,400
The heart and the mind both exist.

747
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,000
They're superpowers with both.

748
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:15,760
And as we strive to be our best selves and take these concepts, internalize them, we

749
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,680
will have we will orient our compass with more precision.

750
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,840
And that's what my goal is going to be.

751
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:27,440
Now that you talked about what you talked about, Kurt, again, it's a gift to me that

752
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:33,160
as I do my meditations, I can go think and ponder about our conversation and say, God,

753
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,160
Kurt gave me this.

754
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,460
You know, help me to look at this even further.

755
00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:38,880
And that's brother to brother.

756
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,640
I can always call you up, you know, and say, Kurt, let's let's dive deep.

757
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,640
Where did you get this resource?

758
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,640
Where did you learn this?

759
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,840
You know, how did you come to this conclusion?

760
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,040
We study these concepts out beyond the call, beyond beyond the podcast.

761
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,440
That's where the true gains come from.

762
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,440
It's not me and Kurt.

763
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,120
We're not your you know, we're not your gurus to copy Tony Robbins Netflix.

764
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,920
We're not the guru.

765
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,680
It's your higher power, whatever you call it.

766
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:08,560
It's your opportunity to take this to the universe, to God and say, what can it learn

767
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,640
from the conversation that I just happened to overhear?

768
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:17,760
Kurt, if you had to share if you had one opportunity to share one more powerful lesson and this

769
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,320
was it, you had no other another opportunity after it.

770
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,280
What powerful lesson would you share with visionaries that they can learn from your

771
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,280
experience so far?

772
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:34,480
Well, you know, a lot of the things that you just talked about, Jackson, right?

773
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:40,280
When you mentioned, you know, heart and you mentioned mind, you know, actually, you know,

774
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,720
when we look at scripture, one of my favorite verses has always been trust in the Lord with

775
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,920
all my heart and lean on my own understanding.

776
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,920
Right.

777
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,800
And the context of heart really embodies the full man or woman for that matter.

778
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,680
It's really your heart is your mind.

779
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,040
It is your spirit.

780
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,040
It is your body.

781
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,960
It's everything that you encompass.

782
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:08,780
And I think for me, I don't know any other way how to lead somebody than to based upon

783
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:10,400
my experience.

784
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:17,000
And so I believe that no matter what somebody's background is, you know, religion, you know,

785
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,960
whatever the case scenario is, man, love is foundational.

786
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,960
You know, right.

787
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:29,720
And I believe that, you know, for me or for the people who are listening, the moment that

788
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:36,440
we just begin to love who we see in the mirror, when we begin to realize the gift that we

789
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:42,880
have called life, I like to say I like to live life as like an adventure, Jackson, like,

790
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,720
you know, if you if you were called back when we were like in second grade and you woke

791
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:51,680
up and that day you were you were going on a field trip that day like you were more excited

792
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,520
that day than any other day.

793
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,520
Right.

794
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,520
And you didn't know where you're going.

795
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,360
You know, you didn't know anything about it, but you just were amped up.

796
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,080
You were excited about life.

797
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:05,680
And that's the way I try to live every single day when I wake up within 60 seconds of waking

798
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,160
up, Jackson, walking in the mirror and just putting my hand on my heart and just saying,

799
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,720
good morning, Kurt Tucker.

800
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:12,720
I love you.

801
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:13,720
You're a champion.

802
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:14,720
I love that.

803
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:19,920
And so I just I would want to encourage any visionary, you know, anybody because we're

804
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,160
all living out the vision that we have for ourselves.

805
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,440
And you know, I would encourage every person who's listening, it's the number one increase

806
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,600
your vision to begin to believe bigger, to begin to realize that it's possible.

807
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:40,300
But that, you know, the moment that you begin to, you know, love yourself daily and commit

808
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:44,560
to just being your best and trust me, you're going to have failures along the way.

809
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,760
Like you said, that's just part of the journey.

810
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,760
That's part of the beautiful process of life, you know, right.

811
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,720
You know, that ultimately that will lay a foundation for for you, you know, to experience

812
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:01,400
what I believe that, you know, we were we're here to experience, which is, you know, a

813
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,400
champion life.

814
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,120
So anyhow, I just want to encourage people who love themselves first.

815
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,000
And you know, it's huge.

816
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,040
I love what you said.

817
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:18,840
And so for so many reasons, the greatest feeling that comes to my heart and mind is you talk

818
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,640
about being your best.

819
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,640
Right.

820
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,800
And and being able to be your best at what you do.

821
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,080
Well, what do you do if you're practicing your virtues?

822
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,080
Right.

823
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,400
Or if you're attentive to the virtues, one of the things that you can do is, you know,

824
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:39,480
as you're being as you fail to be your best self on a day, can you be your best at forgiveness

825
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,480
in that moment?

826
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,480
Right.

827
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,440
Can you forgive yourself fully?

828
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:50,480
Can you be your best at grace in that moment so that you can rebound fast rather than allow

829
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,280
guilt and shame to hold you back and hold you down?

830
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,280
Right.

831
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,640
One of the most important concepts in my life is my ability to forgive myself and move forward

832
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:05,320
and allow myself, empower myself to go back towards the the actions that I need to take

833
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,000
the commitments that I need to take.

834
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,080
Kurt, I'm a huge fan of the word as well.

835
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,000
Commitments, it's big.

836
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,920
When I was at Flow Research Collective for a short amount of time, loved the brand, loved

837
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,320
the company, had a great time, had a partnership, moved on fast because of that partnership.

838
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,360
And that one of the gentlemen that wrote an article there, his name was Troy, he wrote

839
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:29,120
this article on loving yourself, you know, and finding self love and giving yourself

840
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:35,680
a hug, you know, and telling yourself I love you, you know, kissing yourself on the shoulder,

841
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,720
you know, and I was like, whoa, this is woo woo to the max, you know, like so many people

842
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:41,720
would be uncomfortable with this.

843
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:47,560
And that was me projecting that I'm uncomfortable with this, you know, but I was like, I'm still

844
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:54,480
I'm going to do this, you know, I'm going to embrace this, not for the sake of becoming

845
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:55,480
narcissistic.

846
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:01,920
Again, self love, healthy love is an important step often towards, I think it's an important

847
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,280
step towards recognizing how to love others as well.

848
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:12,000
And there's anyway, lots of opportunity and time to, but you again, you triggered and

849
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:18,240
you sparked these memories of opportunities to continue to learn from the fountain of

850
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:19,360
life that I've had.

851
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,760
I'm sure some of you out there as well have had this, have had promptings about memories

852
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,760
and things that you've had.

853
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,880
We'd love to see you share those in the comments if you'd be so willing.

854
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,980
We'd also love if you have any questions, you know, that you have for Kurt, drop them

855
00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:33,980
in the comments as well.

856
00:49:33,980 --> 00:49:37,080
We'll make sure that he receives those.

857
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,440
And you're always welcome to reach out to him.

858
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,040
Champion builders, I love what you're building Kurt.

859
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,400
We got 8 billion people on this planet to help.

860
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,560
And one of the best ways is to empower the other champions out there, everybody, right,

861
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,480
to step into that role and opportunity of helping and you're being a leader of leaders

862
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,600
to help move that forward.

863
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,600
I love your mission.

864
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,600
I love your vision.

865
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,280
I love what you're up to, brother.

866
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,520
It's amazing.

867
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,920
The other aspect, visionaries, if somebody's come to mind during this, if a story of somebody

868
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,160
came to mind, or if you thought of somebody, wow, they want it, they should hear that.

869
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,600
It's probably not going to be the, oh, so and so should hear this.

870
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,560
God's not usually there to have you preach at people.

871
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,960
But you may have thought of somebody.

872
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:25,520
Tagging them with a message of gratitude on a talking, on a talk like this could be a

873
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,840
very important catalyst to their life to feel better on the day, to feel appreciated, to

874
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,180
feel like they belong.

875
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:33,520
So that's an opportunity to uplift people.

876
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:40,520
It not only feels good and builds your virtues out, it's going to help them in tremendous

877
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,160
ways.

878
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:48,940
When Steve Jobs, when I saw the movie Jobs and he said, I want to make an impact, I want

879
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:55,080
to make a dent in the universe, my immediate thought was, I do that every day.

880
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,200
There's no ego associated with that reality.

881
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,960
When we go out there and we help people and we do something simple like saying hi to somebody

882
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,280
or giving a water bottle to somebody that you see on the street corner or whatever,

883
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,320
you're making a dent in the universe.

884
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,840
And I hope we remember to take simple actions like that because I know it'll bless all of

885
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,840
our lives.

886
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,840
Kurt, anything else that you'd like to add before we wrap up?

887
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,880
No, it's just been, it's been an honor, man.

888
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,240
I love what you're doing.

889
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,880
I believe in the word vision.

890
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,800
It's so powerful.

891
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,640
And so it's just been awesome to come on here and hopefully to pour into the people that

892
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,400
tune into your podcast.

893
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,760
And yeah, they can, they can find me at KurtDTucker.com.

894
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,680
I've got all my stuff on there, all over social media as well.

895
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,120
And just grateful for the opportunity to be on today with you, brother.

896
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,240
Absolutely.

897
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:56,920
Vision pros, again, don't hesitate if you feel inspired to apply, please do.

898
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,080
And if you know somebody who has a vision, you're like, man, I wish I want to see them

899
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,080
on stage.

900
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,680
I want to hear them dive into the depths of their wisdom and their mentorship, then invite

901
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,720
them to come and subscribe, to come not subscribe, I'm sorry, to come and apply to be on the

902
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:11,720
show.

903
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:15,120
We would love to promote their visions that are holistic, that are all about growth, that

904
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,040
are all about helping us all progress in this life.

905
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,400
And everybody have a fantastic rest of your day.

906
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,400
We'll see you on the next show.

907
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,400
Thank you for being here today.

908
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,880
I'm really happy that you tuned in to vision pros live.

909
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,680
I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward.

910
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,320
This is going to get more and more fun.

911
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,360
We'll have more and more engagement as well.

912
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,720
We'll invite people to participate in the show.

913
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:37,960
And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

914
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:53,200
Have an excellent day.