Definitely.
Awesome, man.
Well, good stuff.
All right, so if there was three secrets,
overlooked secrets to collaborative companies
and putting your family first, combining that formula,
what are they, Justin?
Marriott Stabilizing Human.
What was that?
Marriott Stabilizing Human.
Yeah, well said.
Marriott Stabilizing Human, number one.
That's one, two, and three.
Marriott Stabilizing Human.
Teach me about that.
Say that again?
I mean, meaning that's it, that's the priority.
Like don't lose sight of that.
That's it.
Right, that's it.
Paul.
Geez, what's the secret to doing that?
Being a visionary.
Are you a stabilizing human?
Well, you seek what you need to heal,
so usually visionaries marry stabilizing humans.
Not always, usually.
Okay.
So, you're going to be a visionary to each other.
Interesting.
Awesome.
What is the secret to international bestselling author?
What do you do to make that happen?
I mean, right mindset creates right network,
creates right opportunities.
So, by having the right mindset,
it attracts the right people,
and then they create opportunities for you.
So, all this business owner stuff is just a byproduct
of having the right mindset
and marrying a stabilizing human.
Well said.
All right.
And what's the secret to networking?
Right mindset attracts right network,
creates right opportunity.
Same formula, keep it simple.
I love it.
All right.
Biggest goal for 2024.
Oh, I don't live in years.
Welcome in to Vision Pros Live.
With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host.
We will be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs
and guest leaders who are building
fantastic visions out there.
Hey, what's up?
And welcome in to Vision Pros Live.
I'm your show host, Jackson Calame,
founder and CEO of First Class Business.
I'm excited to have Justin Breen on the show today.
We're going to be talking about collaborative brands,
collaborative companies,
whichever you want to look at.
This could be for small businesses as well
and how to collaborate more effectively,
but also how to make sure
that you're putting your loved ones first in the process,
which oftentimes isn't the case.
And we should own that.
We should know within our own personal inventory,
how are we doing for our relationships?
Are we showing up and putting them first
or are they kind of the back burner?
And can we fine tune that, optimize that
to make sure that we are getting the most out of our life
as well as out of our business?
So we're bringing the expert on for that in just a minute.
Before we do that,
I want to talk about some of these sponsors.
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In fact, he knows more than six,
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It took me about four and a half months
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So if you're looking to learn a foreign language,
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Ashley literally wrote the book on world schooling.
She also wrote the content marketing strategy
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I shouldn't say she wrote all the content.
She redid a lot of the content
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And that's one of the top financial advisor companies
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I highly recommend checking out the types of articles
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She also wrote a book called Wallace the Westy
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And then last and not least, of course,
is the Water Project.
The Water Project is one of those things
that we're gonna be hitting more and more of this year.
I hope to make some really big plans too.
One of my goals is to eventually take some
of our team members to actually go visit
either one of these locations
or to go visit a similar water well project in Africa.
I think it would be an awesome opportunity
for my kiddos as well to accompany us on that.
If you're not making big life-changing goals like that,
my question too is why not?
Why not go after something with absolute passion?
Now, one of the truths about the Water Project that I love,
you see that map right there of the different projects,
they specifically choose communities
that are extremely hard to get to.
So when I mentioned whether we'll go there specifically
to one of those or we'll go to another one,
I don't know enough about traveling in Africa,
especially with my kids, to know where are the places
that we can access and go to in the process.
But I love that what they do is they take actual photos
of what's going on for the projects,
whether they're building a sand dam or a borehole well
and helping the community learn how to maintain it,
you have the opportunity to also know what's going on
with the money that you put into it.
Now, if you have another cause you'd like to see us support,
then don't hesitate to drop that in the comments.
We're always happy to see what else we can do
to bring light, laughter, love, joy, prosperity to the world.
And that's one of the ways that we strive to do that.
So without further ado, let's bring Justin Breen on board.
Welcome to the show, Justin.
Appreciate you being on VisionPros Live, my friend.
Hey, it's great to see you, hear you.
I just introduced you to one of my good buddies.
He's a pure visionary who has a big water project in Africa.
Hey.
So most of my day is talking to people
that just ramble ADD and then I'm like, oh, there's an idea.
I'll just intro them to another visionary who ramble.
And then visionaries, we connect visionaries
to serve humanity and then you believe in humanity
so we believe in you.
So I just connect people like you to everyone else
because you help everyone else.
It's very, very simple.
Hey man, way to tie that together.
I love that.
Well, appreciate the connection.
And Justin, in your own words,
who should be listening today
and why do you feel they should be listening to you?
Thanks, I don't even use the S-H-O-U-L-D word.
That's up to them.
I don't like the advice word or I don't.
People are either, you're either born a visionary
or you're not and then visionaries really like me
and then humans and business owners, consultants
don't really understand me.
So what I've learned is that the directness
eliminates people that don't understand it
and attracts people that wanna change the world
and then they'll make the investment to do that.
So it's a lot of fun being in that space all the time.
I love that.
Now, one of the things that I personally challenge
about that is I believe everybody is born a visionary
and I think a lot of people lose sight of that.
You're an empath, Includer.
Thank you for saying that.
I connect people like you to people like you
because you help everyone else.
I'm not gonna think about everyone else
or think that everyone's born.
I'm not going to.
We can fundamentally disagree on that,
but we're both trying to help humanity.
So I don't even think about humanity.
I connect people like you to people like you
and you help everyone else.
But I fundamentally disagree
that everyone's born a visionary.
In fact, I'd say almost no one is born a visionary.
What's your definition of a visionary?
Let's hear that.
Yep.
So business owners, humans, consultants care about revenue,
paycheck, office space, employee account, making a list.
They're trying to change their world, their, their.
A true visionary cares about purpose,
spending time with loved ones, true connectivity.
They're changing the world, the fundamental difference
of their world and the world thing.
Okay, so that's one.
And then here are the four things
that separate visionaries from humans and business owners.
There are only four things.
So one, bankruptcy or potential bankruptcy.
Two, depression.
Three, highest level of anxiety.
You can imagine four likely
and or possible traumatic experiences
as a child or young adult.
So for humans, business owners, consultants,
those are excuses for visionary figured out.
That's the fuel.
Since COVID I've talked to four folks
under three of those four things.
Now it's all threes and fours, threes and fours.
And what an entrepreneur visionary actually is,
not a silver spoon, that's a different discussion.
But a visionary is the most damaged person,
three or four of those four things
with the best coping skills,
highest IQ, highest EQ, most hustle.
Regular human cannot, absolutely cannot be a visionary.
Because if they could, they would.
They could do it, they would do it.
They would not make the excuse, but they do.
What was number one out of four?
Bankruptcy or potential bankruptcy.
Bankruptcy, got it.
Insanity.
And trauma.
Right, that's what it is.
Most damaged, best coping skills.
Where'd you learn this?
It's very logical.
No, no, no, okay.
You're a learner, okay?
Yep.
I know you're a learner, okay?
Nailed it, that's my number one strength.
Strength, finally.
Oh, boy, you and everyone else will learn.
And then the business owners by now,
they've already hung up on this, which is fine.
That's fine, that's the point.
Yep.
That's the point.
So I learned this from talking
to the World Stop Visionaries all day
and spending time with my family.
I don't care about business owner stuff
or any of that stuff, I never have.
And then if you talk to this same type of person
over and over, then you learn the patterns.
And then learning is fine,
but if you don't do anything with it,
then what's the point?
So I'm an activator one.
I'm an activator.
So here's the answer, here's the pattern.
Focus on the answer, focus on the pattern.
And then connect the pattern to the pattern,
they help everyone else.
So it's really not that hard.
Once you know the answer, it just takes a lifetime,
many times, of learning the pattern.
Interesting, good.
What's your vision for those that you serve?
Well, there's only one vision.
There's only one vision.
And my son is, my son's nine, but when he was eight,
his name's Chase, and then our oldest is Jake, he's 11.
But when Chase was eight, he was talking about,
he considers life one long, great day.
So yesterday's before you're born,
tomorrow's after you die.
And then he said, there's only two ways
to have a great long day.
So this whole year, next year thing,
or I don't even understand that, I never have.
That's just a human term made up by humans.
So he said, there are only two ways to have a great day.
One, create more living things.
Two, do what you like to do and what you're good at,
and keep getting better at it.
So I've created living things,
and then I connect visionaries to serve humanity.
So that's all I think about,
besides hanging out with my family.
So that's not vision for this year or next year,
that's rest of my life.
Absolutely, well, cool.
You just knocked out what's your vision as well
in the process.
So in terms of your children, are they visionaries?
Oh yeah, yeah.
So they're both, so I see the world in numbers and keywords.
And in Colby, K-O-L-B-E.com, A-Index,
that's how your brain takes action.
They're both nine quick start, two follow-throughs.
So that's ADD, diagnosed or undiagnosed.
It's not a disorder.
It's a sign of genius.
It's a sign of genius mislabeled by humans.
Humans don't understand visionaries.
It's like talking to a wall, they'll never understand
because they're not visionaries.
They weren't born of it.
Well, again, we can agree to disagree,
but they don't understand this, never will.
I spent most of my life talking like this,
and most people didn't understand.
So created multiple companies to connect people
that did understand.
But so both of the children are unemployable.
The nine-year-old's already talking
about taking over both companies.
They're bigger visionaries than I am.
So yes.
Awesome.
Okay.
So if people, if human beings don't have the capacity
to become visionaries.
Thank God the whole world's not visionaries.
It'd be anarchy chaos.
Yes, it would.
So are you saying that they won't pass through
one of those four experiences?
Like if they pass through one of those four experiences?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Great question.
So I'll answer it like this,
because you're a learner.
So I've been an entrepreneur for six and a half years,
zero business background, zero.
Was a journalist for 20 years.
Now have two global companies
that only partner with top visionaries on planet,
or those who will make the investment to become them.
Okay?
So most of, not all, most of the people I talk to
are very wealthy.
There are some that are not,
but they will do what it takes to become that,
because money is energy.
If you don't have energy, then okay.
Right.
So the, right, but most, right, that's a sip,
but most people say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
What does it cost or charge?
No, incorrect.
That's not the answer.
That's just an excuse.
So the first couple of years, okay, true, right,
but most people, so you're saying most people are visionaries,
but they're not, because for them it's not true.
It's incorrect.
So, okay, so let me, let me slow down.
So first starting first company with zero business background,
the first couple of years I was talking to
of those four things, maybe one or two of those things,
sometimes three, sometimes zero of them.
Very rarely all four, very rarely.
Okay?
Now it is all threes and fours.
The exception are the silver spoons,
because that's a different, that's a different discussion.
But those four things are almost an essential,
it's an essential thing.
And-
It's a catalyst.
And again, I've talked to very few,
there's a few that are less than three of those four things.
So it is possible, but very unlikely.
And then again, those four things for,
I guess a regular human or someone who's not like this,
they're excuses.
So you can go through those things,
but if you make excuses with them,
then you're not a visionary, you're not.
Because if you're a preventer of your vision,
how can you, if you're your own preventer,
what's the point?
Yeah.
With excuses.
Absolutely.
All right, Justin, so-
Wait, we agreed then.
So we agreed that most people aren't visionaries then.
Well, again, the capacity, we do,
and we agree and we disagree.
So there's elements, there's layers of that.
And so humans, I believe, are born with a capacity
of whether they choose to do so or not
is often determined at a very young age, in my opinion.
So I believe people are born with that capacity,
but they then go through different experiences.
They utilize those as excuses in many cases
and decide not to, or they end up with a baseline
that's so comfortable, they never have a reason.
That's right.
To then go-
A visionary would never be like that.
Right.
Correct.
So they're not, so, okay, let's collaborate on this
because this is a good discussion.
Let's do it.
Okay.
So I strongly feel that you're either born like this
or you're not.
I'd venture to say maybe our firms
may be partnered with one out of a thousand people.
Maybe, it's probably less than that,
but if there are eight billion people,
one out of a thousand is eight million.
So there's eight million, eight million.
And then there's three attributes,
three attributes that I see in a visionary.
Three.
One, they're visionary.
They're not a human, they're not a business owner,
they're not a consultant.
They're dull world thinking.
They're not their world.
Not their world.
Two, they live in full abundance, no scarcity, full abundance.
Oh, this world's amazing.
Well, amazing world, no scarcity.
Okay.
Here's where the fake visionary,
here's where the fake visionary gets trapped.
This is where the fake visionary gets trapped.
And maybe this dovetails into what you're talking about.
A true visionary, a true visionary
will never ever, ever ask, what do you cost or charge?
Because if you live in cost charge world,
you live in scarcity world,
which means you're not a visionary.
That's what it means.
So you can think you're a visionary,
you can think you live in abundance,
but if you live in cost or make an excuse
to not invest in something, then you're not a visionary.
You know?
I've been there.
And where are you now?
What do you mean, where am I now?
You're a visionary.
You made the investment.
Right, absolutely.
And at the same time, I have found myself in the past
falling into the category of conditioned
and utilizing such word choice.
And it took me a learning process to get past that.
But here's my challenge on that, Justin.
If we go back 2000 years,
the amount of people who could produce electricity
was slim to none, right?
And it could produce fire, slim to none.
Even though everybody had the capacity to do so,
nobody had the knowledge on how to turn that switch.
Today, that's dramatically different.
Right.
Why?
Because somebody took a-
Why aren't there more visionaries?
Well, why aren't there more visionaries?
So why aren't there more visionaries?
I think it's because we have to learn the pattern.
I do think that a lot of people can.
But that would be my subtle argument
towards the reality, but go ahead.
No way.
We've never lived in a more abundant time
with more knowledge, more learning access available.
And it's still a very small percentage of society
that actually creates things that help everyone else.
And then they have the capital to do it.
True.
Oh, it's true.
But again, I'll keep my faith on that.
It's all right though.
Perfect.
We believe in humanity, so we believe in you.
I connect visionaries to serve humanity.
It's the same answer.
Great.
Exactly.
What's your worst leadership experience ever?
And that does not have to be yours.
It could be the worst one you've ever seen.
What does that worst leadership experience look like
as a history lesson all of a sudden?
No one's ever asked that.
It's a great question.
It's a two-part answer.
One, when I was a journalist
or an entrepreneur, I had to be a journalist.
The executive editor would just scream at everyone,
like totally lacking control of anything.
I don't like people yelling and it was frankly scary.
So that was...
And then from my perspective, I'm not a manager.
So I tried to be a manager for not a long time,
but enough time, and I realized I'm not a manager.
Right.
I just, and so like with sec, I'll just get, okay, learn.
So with Second Company, we're about to be named
one of top five masterminds on planet.
I'm very grateful for that.
Most of our members are very wealthy,
pure, they're all visionaries.
We won't let anyone in that's not a visionary.
Folks around the world are in it.
All I do is appear on shows like this
and talk to visionaries and connect them.
I do nothing backstage, nothing, nothing.
My wife is the COO.
She's pure backstage.
My partner for Second Company,
he does eight and nine figure deals all day.
The developer and their team,
they go to their backstage meetings.
I don't even go to them.
And then they just make fun of me the whole time
because of the way my personality is, which is fine.
I like that.
Yeah.
And so understanding the difference
between a leader and a manager has been crucial
for the growth of that company.
So, but to answer your question, it's because I'm not,
the worst leadership for me was trying to be a manager
or micromanager.
I'm not, that is not me at all.
Absolutely.
Okay, I get that.
Name top five masterminds by who?
Business Traveler USA Magazine.
So they're the magazine that appears
in all the first class airport lounges
and the private airports.
So it's coming out soon.
I've seen the article.
It's very exciting.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
People like that like it.
And then most people don't understand.
All right.
Let's see it.
Let's go to the opposite side of that question.
What's the best leadership experience?
What does that look like?
Well, this is why I like doing these
after the record button's hit.
Cause that's what I actually learn when it's recorded.
I'm more focused.
My father was 61 when I was born.
He was a world war II hero shot down multiple times
in combat, many times without a parachute
and just got back into the plane.
So most people cannot do that.
Just like most people are not, well, they're not visionaries.
So they can't do it.
They make excuse.
And you're either someone who can do that or you're not.
And so he was born in 1916.
He was 61 when I was born.
He died when I was 13.
He became attorney in Nuremberg, Nazi war crime trials.
No excuses.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
And then every day that he was alive,
he would say the cream rises to the top.
The cream rises to the top.
So true visionary is the cream that rises to the top.
No matter what, no excuses.
So that's the best leadership I've seen.
And I'm still receiving that, receiving that actually
through my kids, because the oldest one's named after him.
He's a pure machine.
He's a visionary machine.
And then the little guys got whatever my brain is.
And then my wife's kindness and love.
She's a pediatrician as well.
So it's a very interesting mix of brains.
Yeah, definitely.
So my grandfather flew spy planes over Germany.
Right.
Interesting that.
Did he make excuses?
Oh, heck no.
I know, my grandma had Alzheimer's
for the last 10 to 15 years of her life.
And he took care of her all the way to the end.
Right.
And that was whether it's changing diapers,
or if I were having to deal with somebody who's fighting you
because they don't know you.
The battle of love.
You're like him.
You learned that.
Right.
So you learned, yeah.
So that makes sense.
And then my dad took us to see RoboCop
when I was eight or nine in Platoon.
So he's talked about childhood.
So you learn from a great war hero
who took care of the love of his life,
even though her brain wasn't really there anymore,
but that didn't matter to him.
And my father met my mom.
Drunk driver hit him head on.
Drunk driver was killed.
My dad broke every bone in his body and survived.
And then my mom was his nurse.
He woke up and thought he was dead.
And my mom was an angel, but it was my mom.
She was 27.
27 when I was born.
Well, yeah, I don't believe in randomness.
Things are just meant to be.
Right.
So, but again, if you make an excuse,
that I don't understand.
And I won't, because you have this life,
you have this great day to live.
And if you're your own preventer with excuses,
then you're not living that day with your utmost ability.
Wow.
All right.
What's a powerful lesson?
If this was the last lesson you could share,
what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn
from your experience?
Yeah, the 2000 years ago,
you would have been sitting around Greece
with a bunch of people in robes sitting around
listening to this, but that's,
it's going back to 2000 years, but
I've always considered entrepreneurship
like a modern day, so crates or you know what I mean?
Like some of you played or played,
I always kind of thought that.
Cause again, entrepreneurs are the most damaged people
with the best coping skills, the highest IQ EQ.
They have an ability that most people don't have.
And then if you can, if you have that,
if you're born like that,
then you can work on your mindset every day.
And all I do is just spend time working on my mindset,
visionary abundance investment,
visionary abundance investment.
But I guess to answer your question
in regards to that background,
I'm a dad who happens to be an entrepreneur
or not an entrepreneur who happens to be a dad.
So I would never let entrepreneur life
destroy my family.
You cut out there a little bit at the end.
You would never let-
Entrepreneur life, so okay.
I would never let entrepreneur life destroy my family life.
So the reason why I wrote Epic Life,
which is how to build collaborative global companies
while putting your loved ones first.
We were talking about books earlier.
Talk is meaningless to me without an answer,
but so it was number one for sales overall on Amazon,
not one of the little categories.
And then it was, you know,
Wall Street Journal and all that stuff, which is fine.
But like, if you're gonna do something, do it.
But the reason why I wrote the book
is because I talked to one to two visionaries
every single week that have let entrepreneur life
destroy their family life
or prevented them from having a family
because they have the best coping skills,
the highest IQ EQ,
and they use that to create all this stuff.
And then they torch their family
or never have one in the process.
So that's what it is.
It is what it is.
And the same thing is true of many executives
in the corporate America world as well.
Correct.
You know, where, or a business, you know, it depends.
Like, you know, you could say families first,
but if you look at your time spent, right?
And what your time is spent on,
right, and use that as a measuring stick,
it likely tells a very different story
of what's first in your life in terms of your priorities.
So is that the measuring stick that you go by
or are there other metrics that you can stick?
So metrics, you're a learning man.
Okay, here's my, this is my, this is my metric.
It's very simple and I'm 100% black and white.
My wife is 100% gray, which is good.
She's harmony one in strength finders, harmony.
I am 31 out of 34, so she's collaborative,
collaborative harmony.
And then my partner who does eight and nine figure deals
all day, he's empathy three in strength finders.
I'm 34 out of 34.
So he's collaborative empathy.
So all these weaknesses are an opportunity
to find a collaborative, collaborative strength.
So here's my black and white answer to your question
based on my total lack of empathy, except for visionaries.
If I talk to someone, if I talk to someone
and I know that I can add value to them
and they can add value to me and they're a visionary,
I will talk to them forever because they allow me
to spend more time with my family.
They have the right connections
and make the right investments to allow me
to spend more time with my family, okay?
So that's one.
Two, if I talk to someone and they're not a visionary
and they're gonna take time away from me and my family,
I will never talk to them ever, never.
And that directness eliminates people that make excuses
and it attracts the top people on the planet
or the ones that will become one of those people.
It's very simple.
All right, and so, man, there are so many questions.
I wanna- Learn, oh my God, what can I learn?
Yes, my brain's like, which path do I take first
for the most knowledge?
There's only one path.
There's only one path, what is it?
For me, there's only one path, family and networks.
That's it.
Well, see, and my path, there's the selfish side of,
man, I wanna learn so much in this for myself.
Not selfish.
If you're not a litmus test for the people you serve,
you're a hypocrite.
So I connect visionaries to serve humanity.
I'm a connector serving humanity.
I'm a visionary.
So I'm just- Well, my other side is, man,
what do I want my audience to learn on this?
You know, like, which one do I wanna go?
Go ahead, Justin, hit it.
It's up to them to stick or, no, no, no, no, no.
That's up to them.
Absolutely, okay.
Then since I got the family thing going pretty well,
and a lot of people are in there-
Did you marry a stabilizing human?
No, no, no, no.
I don't wanna call out any humans I did marry.
I'm twice divorced, but my focus is on my four children.
I believe in that DAD is greater than CEO.
That's my statement on Facebook.
And that's what I aim for is,
this point, man, I'm married to my children.
Were your two previous wives, were they stabilizing humans?
The mothers of my children, I will refrain to comment,
but they're important.
Okay, well, okay.
You don't have to say, I'm trying to learn.
I'm trying to learn because here's the answer.
Here's the answer.
People like us usually marry stabilizing humans.
Not always usually.
One of two things happens when that happens.
One, the situation I'm in where my wife is very high achiever,
very high IQ, but warm, loving pediatrician, stabilizer.
So one, the stabilizing human is the biggest supporter
of the visionary and evolves with them.
So she's the COO of Second Coming.
So, and two, which I hear more often,
the stabilizing human is a preventer, anchor,
gets very angry, resentful of the visionary
because the visionary is not gonna change being a visionary.
And no matter what, it ends horribly.
Stay married, it ends horribly.
It doesn't matter.
Don't stay married, it ends horribly.
Okay, two, people like us sometimes marry people like us.
One of two things happens.
One, greatest life imaginable, traveling the world.
Right.
More often than not, Thelma and Louise driving off the quip.
No stability.
So you don't have to answer based on your situation,
but that's the pattern.
That's what happened.
Well said.
And so I think I had both.
Both experiences, got to learn in both.
Different lessons from each.
Right, so the question I have for you though,
in regards to your relationship with your wife
and in regards to the relationship
with your business partner,
that Harmony's high in one, Empathy's high in the other.
How do you guys, what does Harmony look like?
And when you come to a point of conflict,
how does that overcome?
I don't go to their meetings, no conflict.
Let's get out of that.
I'm not a manager.
Okay, so does that mean that your relationship
with your wife, y'all basically,
there's obviously order that exists there,
but the order of the relationship is more natural?
Okay, great question.
That'd be nice if my wife was here because-
Let's bring her back.
Literally, she's the kindest,
like literally the nicest person on the planet.
And the way I am and communicate
is literally a trigger for her.
There's a thing called print or Enneagram,
it's your unconscious motivators.
And I'm very direct and my wife wants to be needed
and appreciated and feel safe and secure.
So fully my responsibility, my fault.
I create problems with that because I'm so direct.
So, because I'm very aware of that, very aware,
the first thing I do every single day,
every day is a grateful journal to my wife.
Every single day, first thing I do.
And that gets me in the habit
because the most important thing for her
is for someone to say thank you to her.
So it gets me in the habit, no matter what she does,
say thank you, say thank you, say thank you,
say thank you, say thank you, say thank you.
And the other thing, we met online
the day before she started medical school.
That was almost 20 years ago.
It was almost 20 years ago.
And I think there's a mutual respect
and understanding of each other in that regard.
Like, I think if there's anything similar
to entrepreneurship, it's going through medical school,
I'd be the worst doctor of all time.
Like, my bedside manner is not good.
Oh, you got a cold?
Okay, well, what do you want me to do about it?
But that would not be good for that.
So, okay, stop crying.
But if there's any other questions,
but if there's anything comparable to entrepreneurship,
it's going through medical school, I saw.
And so there's a great deal of respect there,
a great deal of respect.
And the most rewarding part of this journey for me,
besides having the children and seeing them,
learn all these amazing things and what they do with it.
And they're already bigger visionaries than me,
but it's to see my wife's evolution.
And I never thought she would start to phase out
of pediatrics to become COO of a visionary only company.
I mean, I never, I just didn't think that would happen.
But that's the beautiful joy in life
is when you take action and don't make excuses,
people will either come along with that
or they'll make excuses and not come along with that.
And then they fall away.
But my wife is the, it's really exciting to see.
I'm just really proud of her, really proud of her.
All right, 20 years.
I can't imagine that on day one,
you figured out this Grateful Journal aspect of life.
So how did you guys get there to where you figured that out?
I imagine in the beginning,
there was some type of conflict or reality that occurred.
Well, that's it.
Do you realize that?
So when you date a doctor or someone in medical school,
there's no time for conflict there.
You don't date anyone.
So there was no dating.
There was no dating and then we had children.
We became international dating experts,
which is really funny.
We were like on the Today Show and stuff in 2018.
We went out, I think it's 52 weeks, 52dates.com or something.
The website still exists, but it was hilarious.
Cause we, one of the very few great ideas I had was like,
oh, we need to go out once a week
without the kids for all of 2018.
So that became an international story,
which is pretty funny.
I told my wife a week after we started dating
that I loved her.
I would have told her the first day,
but I waited a week to tell her.
So I already knew, like you know, I'm an activator.
I didn't need to learn that I loved her.
I already knew.
But learning about her unconscious motivators
that she needs to be needed and appreciated,
I didn't learn that until a couple of years ago.
I didn't know her Colby score until a couple of years ago.
Even though like I knew what it probably would be,
I didn't know it in a number or keyword way
until a couple of years ago.
And then the Grateful Journal started
right in the middle of 2020 COVID.
Just being at home with her more.
So, but again, life is an evolution.
That's what I mean.
I think you're either born with the ability to do this
and then you can work on that mindset every single day.
So you do agree that it's kind of,
it's like a muscle then, a strength that can be built.
It's 100% like a muscle, absolutely.
Okay, good.
And then tell me about the book.
Let's hear about that.
Epic Life.
You got, I got two on the Google there.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, there's one.
Oh, well, the entire epic,
epic businesses for those who are starting a business
with zero business background
and then they wanna create a global company
with zero business background.
Cause I don't even know what an S corp is.
I don't wanna know, do not tell me.
I don't wanna learn that.
I know you already know what that is,
but don't tell me.
The, thank you.
I don't have to be dangerous.
I don't touch subjects that are not my own.
I'm anti-learning, see, I'm anti-learning.
You're anti-learning, huh?
I learned that I don't wanna learn certain things,
which is really cool.
But the epic life book, I'm very, very, very grateful
that Dr. Peter Diamandis wrote the foreword.
He's one of the top entrepreneurs on the planet.
Very confident saying that.
So he doesn't usually do that.
And then people like him like me
and they like that I connect them to other people like that.
But basically, all right, I'll relate to your brain now.
So I'm very low in ideation.
32 out of 34 on strength finders and that.
Most of the people I talk to are top five in that.
So they're ADD, they're all over the place.
Shiny object, shiny object, shiny.
And then most of my day is talking to people like that.
And then maybe once or twice a month,
someone like that will say something truly transformational
and I'll write it down and it becomes a list.
And then that list turns into chapters of book.
So it takes two years-ish to get enough ideas
and then I can write a book very fast.
It just takes years to get that.
Because it has to, because I'm so low in ideation,
I'll know if it's a great idea.
Most ideas, they're not good.
So, but I'll know if it's a really great one
then I'll write it down.
And then my strength finders are activate maximizing.
She is like, oh, there's a great idea.
Let's write something about that.
And then, oh, here's another person I talked to
that has torched their family or never has a family
or never had one or never sees them.
Like that's a bad idea, I'm not gonna do it.
So each one of those chapters is like,
how to put your family first
and build collaborative global companies.
And that was written before my wife decided
to join the second company as COO.
So it was almost like a roadmap for her too,
which is really interesting.
For sure.
Okay, so Mark Fujiwara, did I say his last name right?
You did.
Woo!
No one's ever said that.
All right, speaking more like that.
That way, yeah.
And so how'd you guys meet?
How'd that process come to be where you were like,
hey, let's work, let's partner out.
All the people I met, let's do this.
Okay.
So Mark and I have known each other
for almost three years now.
We've met two times in person.
He's in San Francisco, I'm in Chicago.
Okay, two times in person.
We met virtually in a group called Strategic Coach.
I'm very confident.
It's one of the top entrepreneur groups on planet.
Very grateful to be a part of that.
We met in COVID, right at the start of COVID.
And at the time,
Brepik Network, which is the company,
that's what it's called,
it was in my head, but again, I'm not a manager.
I can't build a SaaS.
What Brepik Network is,
is it's basically LinkedIn for visionaries.
It's a high price point invite only connectivity platform
for visionaries.
I mean, I can barely tie my shoes.
I can't build a SaaS platform.
I can't.
So I needed a partner.
So Mark and I had met in Strategic Coach
and then Strategic Coach has a,
it's like not an assessment,
but like a tool called an impact filter.
And so you fill out all these things that need to be true.
And then it's the only time I've ever filled
one of those things out and started sending it to people.
So I sent it to some people that I trusted or liked,
and Mark was one of them.
And Mark is a very high quick start visionary,
very high quick start.
And he can build anything.
He can use his hands to build anything.
So he looked at the impact though,
he's like, oh, let's do that.
I'm like, okay.
So that was two years ago now,
a little over two years ago.
And then earlier, well, not earlier this year,
in 2023, my wife's like,
hey, what if I phased out of pediatrics
and become CEO of the company?
Like, okay.
So there we are.
That was my leadership.
Okay, great.
Right.
How many team members did you have at the time?
When my wife decided to join?
Are you nodding?
Cause I never look at the screen in this.
Yes.
Okay. Yeah.
So I'm not.
No, good idea.
I should have been vocal anyway.
Oh no.
Oh yeah.
Well, yeah, that wasn't like,
I don't look at things.
So I don't, again, my partner would be staring at this
cause he sees things in a physical space.
I don't, but before my wife joined,
we had actual team members.
It was just me and Mark really,
but now she's helped find a development team.
She just hired her first person.
So you said, okay.
And Mark just said, okay.
He was like, I'm into.
This is a nine quick start with a, he's a one fact finder.
He's a one fact.
I'm an eight, but I don't, I don't need facts.
I need patterns.
So I take it.
She more runs the HR at this point.
My wife?
Like she, she's more in charge of the HR side than.
I don't do any of that.
Yeah. Okay.
I figured.
I don't care about any human race.
No, no, no.
She, no, no.
No, no.
I don't even think.
And then, and then.
I think it's great.
I like that you're repulsive.
You're, you're, you're what you don't go, go for it
because it makes it far easier to delegate.
Not a manager.
I don't delegate anything.
I don't, I don't even know what that the.
Or to let go, to let go.
Right.
We're trying to convince you to do something.
Nope.
Not, not.
I tried to do that once and that went horribly wrong.
And then, so this is in the Epic life book.
So my, my dad's brother who unfortunately has passed away
but he was the last living green brother.
They were all, there were four of them.
They were all war heroes and no excuses.
So he was born in 1918.
Same Stan.
He, he was able to meet my wife.
My dad obviously was not able to.
Uncle Stan and his wife, Aunt Fran,
they were married for like 70 years.
And so he got to meet my wife.
And then, so my wife and I got married May 4th, 2008.
And then I called Uncle Stan.
I called Uncle Stan.
He couldn't, he was too old to fly up to,
he was in Florida.
So he was too old to fly up for the wedding in Illinois.
But I'm like, hey, what's your,
what is your, like what's been the key
to your successful marriage?
So he told me two things.
And he was again married to 70 years.
And he's like a Caltech level, MIT level brain,
like that intelligent.
He's an inventor, was an inventor.
His wife was also valedictorian of high school and college.
So these are very, very smart people.
So he said two things, two things.
One, always put my wife's name is Sarah,
always put Sarah's needs before yours.
Always put, okay, good, all right.
Two, never touch the thermostat, never touch the thermos.
So all the backstage meetings of my company thermostat,
don't touch it, don't touch it.
Nope, don't even think about HR, don't touch that.
Never touch the controls.
Never touch it, never touch it.
Wow, that's a brilliant, I'm gonna ponder on that.
I'm gonna ponder on that.
Well, you're gonna ponder on that.
You're gonna marinate the heck out of that.
You're gonna marinate this discussion every syllable.
Do you really mean that?
Yep, that's a lot of self-sacrifice.
But that's not selfish.
That's, if you're learning, if you-
No, no, no, it's self-sacrifice, it's the opposite.
Like 100%.
If you can't help yourself first,
how are you supposed to help other people?
Impossible.
I guess it is possible.
Well, putting your wife's needs first though,
that's what the first point.
Yes, but that makes me better.
That helps me.
Right, and when it's, to shift that mindset,
some people will have to make a shift in that mindset
to realize that that's the case.
So you're either born with the capacity to do that
or you're not, and if you are,
then I work on my mindset every day.
Yep, and then there's one of my buddies.
She's a nine-quick start.
She's had 26 surgeries, should be dead,
but she's not dead, she's alive.
And then she has a global movement to talk about
that she's not dead, and that she has three young kids.
And then we were taught, her name's Sarah Harkness.
She's great, she's in Australia.
That doesn't matter, but I guess it does,
but it doesn't.
So like, because the right mindset attracts right network,
creates right opportunities.
But anyway, she was talking about,
there are two types of geniuses, two types.
Two types.
One is the genius brain.
So the genius brain, you know, they're geniuses.
Most of those folks do not have a genius heart.
That is the other type of people.
So the genius brain creates all this stuff,
but they don't have any, they don't believe in,
they don't have the humanity of any,
they don't understand the world, cyborgs.
Then there's the genius heart,
the hippie on the street corner,
the person playing the guitar, the kumbaya.
So they have the genius heart, very nice people,
but they don't have the genius brain.
So they can't mechanize that genius heart
to the best of their ability.
It's when you combine the genius brain and the genius heart,
that's when you get the true visionary.
That's when you get the true visionary.
That's why I don't think most people are born like this.
I don't think most people are born,
certainly most people aren't born with a genius brain.
They're definitely, I mean, they're not.
They look at IQ scores.
That's fair.
Okay, and then a lot of people are born
with a genius heart, but then, you know,
they're like, oh, kumbaya, kumbaya,
but they don't have, they can't do anything with that.
They don't have the capital
or the network to do anything with it.
Combining those two things.
All right, big question, a big awkward question,
but it just won't leave my brain.
And I know we're over, but this is, it just matters to me.
So we got Adam Sandler, right?
Adam Sandler's got a newer movie.
It's called Leo.
My little girl loves it.
And in it, he sings a song to this little girl.
He's a little lizard and he sings this, you know,
typical crass Adam Sandler song,
but it's about her crying.
He's like, don't cry, dry your eyes.
You know, crying is for wimps.
You know, we don't, stop blubbering, you know,
like it's not gonna help you.
And you kind of mentioned that earlier about the,
like don't cry, like in the doctor scenario.
Do you think that there's,
is this something that's within the Jewish culture as well
in terms of like, hey, like we're resilient as our nature
or did this happen to be that you and Adam Sandler
both share Judaism as part of your background?
So it's a tremendous question.
And I appreciate that.
My brain simplifies everything into patterns, everything,
every talking to top visioners.
So I was raised Jewish.
I get, my wife is Jewish.
Our kids are Jewish, I guess.
And then your LDS, I talked to LDS, Latter Day Saint,
I talked to a lot of Mormons, a lot of Mormons.
Okay, so Jews and Mormons,
best two entrepreneur religions by far.
Why, why are they the best entrepreneur?
Because they're pushed to the brink, exterminated,
ostracized, ostracized.
Yeah.
Figure it out, not educated, figure out.
Okay, so then I was talking to an LDS,
because I know a lot of LDS.
I know a lot of XLDS, which are really interesting.
They were built with that foundation
and then they did something else with it,
which is also interesting.
Okay, so I was talking to an LDS guy, visionary.
He's like, oh, there's a fundamental difference
between Jews and Mormons.
I'm like, oh, tell me, tell me.
So he's like, oh, so this is him saying this.
I'm paraphrasing, but this is him saying.
So he's like, the Jews,
they're focused on the transaction.
So you see the Jewish attorney,
the Jewish financial person, whatever,
I don't know, whatever that is.
So they focus on transaction.
And then the LDS, they focus on relationships,
a Mormon mission, 5,000 doors to find five new Mormons.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Maybe?
No, no, no, no, no, no, yes.
So I was listening to him, I'm like, oh, thanks, thanks.
I'm a Mormon.
So I'm like a Mormon Jew.
And then, then I was talking to another LDS
and LDS, fastest growing religion.
In some states, it's actually the, it's the one reduced,
it's going down the most, it's going down the most,
which is really interesting.
But in like 30 countries, it's the fastest growing, right?
Cause Mormons sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell,
sell, sell, sell.
And the Jews, to become a Jew, if you're not born Jewish,
it's almost impossible.
Right.
They still want you in the, and so I don't sell anything.
I haven't done anything outbound in years.
I just want to buy the people I want to hang out with
and then they pay our companies
cause they want to be around other visionaries.
So I'm like a Jewish Mormon Jewish person.
Ha ha ha ha.
Nice.
Yes.
And you're like a Mormon.
You do have some, you have,
you do have some of be the buyer
and you do have some of the business
transactional understanding, but you're mostly Mormon.
I'm a chameleon for sure.
I'd say you're mostly Mormon though.
Yeah. I would probably agree with that.
The, you know, it's, it's funny that one thing
that I would say the Jewish and the Mormon communities
have in common or the individuals within such
is they're also both right.
They're both very self-assured communities, right?
That's one of the strengths of, of both in both types
of people as which is funny because both of us
strengths finder, self-assuredness is almost
in the same position.
I don't remember my position exactly.
You're a fifth.
I'm sixth.
So you don't have imposter syndrome.
A lot of visionaries, they're very low in self-assurance.
So they're imposter syndrome.
I had major imposter syndrome.
Well, you learned not to.
Yep. Part of, you know, it's funny how life drags you along
and teaches you opportunities or like you've said,
and like your hat says, you realize it's abundantly
blessing you. You just don't realize it, you know?
And when you learn to accept that, embrace that,
you can learn a whole lot faster.
So Justin, it was my honor to have you today.
This is awesome.
Anybody who's listening in right now,
we will have the resources and the show notes
on the landing page.
If you want to reach out to Justin,
LinkedIn, elsewhere, I'm sure you can find it.
In fact, if you just Google him,
you'll find a lot of information about him and his family
and see what he's up to in his projects.
Any plugs, Justin, any specific place where people,
you know, would most benefit to go in
and research and look up?
Well, let me see if that,
well, the company is called Bratwick Network.
So it's bratwicknetwork.org.
I think the dating website is 52dates52weeks.com,
or it's 52weeks52dates.com.
I can't remember which one.
One of those two.
We'll throw it in the show notes.
So for sure for you guys.
We'll throw it in there.
So Vision Pros, have an amazing year.
We're so excited to bring to you
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Justin, thanks for being here, man.
You have a fantastic rest of your day.
And I'd love to catch up for you a little bit
after this show, if you don't mind.
Oh, sounds wonderful.
Happy new year to you and your audience.
And I hope this was beneficial.
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