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also got some other buddies, reach out to them too. You know, I'll send you some data.

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Marty Weiner, the ex-CTO of Reddit and I are talking about AI and computational impacts

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on human society and why we shouldn't expect any of this to keep happening and we need

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All right. Welcome in to Vision Pros Live. With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host. We'll

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All right. What's up, Vision Pros? My name is Jackson Calame, your show host and the

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founder and CEO of First Class Business. All right. So let's talk about these sponsors

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we have. Icon Maker Live, I just got back from that incredible experience with Tom Mattson

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and Sheryl Plouffe. They did an excellent job running the conference and they're helping

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podcasters launch seven figure podcasts. So keep an eye out on what they're up to and

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watch for the doors to open up soon to their next event six months from now. They're going

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to be taking the people who came through this version of that program through the process

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of building up. And I think it's really cool. One of the spoiler alerts here on what Icon

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Maker Live does is they do not launch you into a podcast. They don't want you to launch

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a podcast until you know what the heck you're doing. They want to make sure that what the

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heck you're doing makes sense as well from a business distribution standpoint, business

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because there's a lot of people who like dive in thinking they'll just figure it out as

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growth enough. And I'm really happy with the principles that Tom taught and that Cheryl

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the block a few times when it comes to business. That happens when you're over 70. So Tom's

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got the serious depth of wisdom that I highly respect. And I look forward to seeing them

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succeed and helping those who I met do that program succeed.

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Capshow. Capshow.com. This is the system that we use to produce our show notes. What's really

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cool about it is it's not just for podcasts, even though they are ranked as the number

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one, copywriting AI for, I always struggle with this part, for podcasters by digitalmarketer.com.

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oh, I love digitalmarketer.com. They're super smart. Sharon and I talked about Capshow being

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the best and we've seen it. You get your episode or a video of your choice where you've taught

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office. Well, that piece of content gets uploaded to Capshow and then all you have to do is

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take advantage of their community and their training. They bring guest experts in at least

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was quite intense. I was like, man, I need to be better about doing that, that and that

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where they're constantly pulling together new brains, new minds and saying, hey, here's

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above my head. The business is called CoreDisc from what I see like coordinated and disc

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market and stocks and all that to be super, super dangerous. But what we're going to be

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tremendous changes in terms of the markets and what's going on and AI and what you can

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to exchanges and commodities and all that. I tend to stay in the layman's term. So Noah,

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you for being here, my friend. Thanks for having me here, Jackson. Yeah, absolutely.

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what we're talking about today? Why should they listen to you specifically and what are

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they going to get out of today's show? Well, the primary beneficiaries of my idea

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would be people who eat food, live in shelter or wear clothing that they didn't personally

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make themselves out of land that they defend for themselves. So basically everyone who's

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ever heard your show or ever will would be better off for the sorts of changes and visions

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of some of the very fundamental things that are impacting the economy that effectively

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never get talked about because virtually nobody is aware that these sorts of problems underpin

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so much of the chaos that we see and to take hope because there really are solutions that

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don't just sort of paper over the cracks, but in fact give us a radically better and

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more robust economy if just a few people manage to get together and start building these things.

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of the paper over cracks and the foundation that could be alluded to there that if we

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pull together. So what is your vision for those that you serve in 30 seconds?

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A financial marketplace that serves their needs based on their individual interests.

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That's all sounds I guess loose, but it's all mathematically precise. A system that

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is as much a level up over the markets that we presently have as those markets were over

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the medieval trading style that preceded them.

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it was well delivered and certainly there's room to expand on it. So it sounds like a

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new marketplace. There's an opportunity to establish a new marketplace. Did I catch

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but if that's of excitement to you and you're like, huh, I want to know how that looks or

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and make sure you dive in deep. We might circle back to that and just conquer the world today

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on the show. So in 15 seconds, so first, let's hear a little bit about you. What's your personal

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vision over the next 15, 20 years? What do you want to accomplish? What do you see for

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functions, we upgrade how economics functions and it serves us all better. My personal interest

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how to actually utilize computers to make our lives easier, more economically viable

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and aid in the expansion of human capacity.

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Nice. Okay. And we're going to go into a very fun question. As an entrepreneur, business

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owner or with the marketplace, you're welcome to expand on this, but what's your worst business

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experience ever?

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The patent office going full Kafka. So the patent office has agreed to extend this patent

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on my concept to me twice. It has withdrawn both of them and the second time it did that.

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It did so for no reason that it could express because the people who my attorneys and I

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were allowed to speak to informed us that people who we were not allowed to speak to

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to talk to hadn't given any reason that the people we are allowed to talk to could understand

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or agree with. And after raising a stink with my congressional office, then the patent office

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stiffed my congressional office as well. So they'd never seen anything like that before

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either. So right now it's heading to a panel of appeal in two years.

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Great. And the panel of appeal is at what level?

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filing for patents actually happens inside the regulatory body itself.

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Wow man. That is intense. That's a pretty big worst business experience. And so you've

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got a two year ride to do what? What do you do in the meantime?

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bad problems are and how the solution works and how they could contribute towards that

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solution. And so from that perspective, whether or not there's it's on patent or off patent

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is totally irrelevant. And in fact, I'm not pursuing an international patent that's far

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too expensive and far too complicated. You can see how much trouble I'm just having with

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the United States government. So it's open source overseas.

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I'm assuming you can't sell whatever is related to that patent in the meantime. Is that correct?

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marketplaces and that's what I attempt to do for people that actually want to build

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a marketplace. Gotcha. Okay. And I can relate to this to a degree in a different sense.

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because here's everything that we built patented by this giant. And like literally I thought

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my heart was going to explode. I was like, Oh my gosh, like everything we stand for,

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everything we've built is right here, including everything our competitors have built. Like

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what the heck is Apple doing? You know, and so after like whining and crying and wondering

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like, am I going to go to jail? Am I going to prison if we keep building this company?

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and providing our solutions. And I was like, well, whatever, you know, like I don't have

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the time. I know the time and of the space to just give up on what I was doing. And I

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just couldn't worry about it. You know, I was like, this is, this is way above my, my

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pay grade and vision at the time. I just kept going. So if any of you listening to this

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have another idea, you know, or like, Oh my gosh, like Jackson, no, you should just like

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next time, burn your company alive and move on. Feel free to put a comment on it. But

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I think the greater reality that I hear you saying, Noah, is that you keep providing value

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to the market. Best I can. Yeah. Okay. That's right. So good. And you're learning to play

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by the rules and the process. But let's move into another topic here. What's your best

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experience in business ever? I had, I had a guy who was a friend of a friend, but he's,

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he's trying to launch a market on the blockchain in Singapore. And he actually traveled from

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Mexico City to Charlottesville, my hometown, and spent the weekend going into the math

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and ultimately agreeing to attempt to incorporate my technology into his, his business. Cool.

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So what happened? Still trying to do fundraising. Right now there are three different attempts

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to build marketplaces with my technology in them. Unfortunately, building marketplaces

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is itself a difficult prospect. You have to, you have to know the customer base that you're

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dealing with, and you have to be able to cope with the regulatory environment of whatever

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that customer base is. And you generally need a pretty large sack of cash just in order

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to generate enough trust to cope with those issues. And so far, none of my, none of my

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interested counterparties have actually succeeded in getting their markets set up yet. Okay.

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directions. One of the directions it goes in is this whole situation that's occurred

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with the, I know Seth Curry and Shaquille O'Neal, MBA had like invested in some type

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of blockchain, NFC technology stuff. And then there was again, some important financial

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guy who's taken a lot of heat, young guy with whatever, whatever hasn't panned out too well

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in relation to blockchain and crypto. Right. So now I've exposed, I hope how completely

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foreign I am to all of this stuff. Is that what you're talking about when you're talking

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about marketplace or is there more to it? Do you want to break down for us and more

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simple terms like? Yeah, certainly. So a market is simply an

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entity for buyers and sellers to come together to make deals. So that covers everything from

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weekly market opportunities, flea markets that might exist in businesses to online presences.

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Amazon, for example, creates a retail marketplace for people to sell through their systems.

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I'm speaking specifically about financial marketplaces. So this would be environments

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that allowed people to speculate on indices for various products or buy and sell forwards.

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spot market, which is essentially very short term forwards for people that want to buy

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or sell something more or less right now. And so in those environments, that's where

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commoditizing comes in. When you go to the store, you can pick stuff up off the shelf

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and sort of decide, do you want that apple? Do you want this apple? Maybe that pear over

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there is actually the kind of thing you're interested in. But if you're running a business,

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either on the productive or consumptive side, you need steel. You need to know what grades

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of steel exist. You need to be able to produce those grades of steel in ways that you can

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advertise the entire world. That's what you're doing. And you need to just get those grades

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of steel off the shelf. You don't need to buy from Sam who's across town. You need to

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buy steel or cheese or whatever other kinds of products, lumber, wool, so on. And so these

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commoditized marketplaces have the characteristic that there is competition on both sides. There's

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competition to sell to each buyer and there's competition to buy from each seller. And that's

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tremendously powerful and offers much more efficient schemes than something like an Amazon

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globalized retail market does, which becomes very expensive to use. And Amazon has no particular

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interest in making it less expensive to use because your expense is their income.

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Okay. So you broke down a lot of really great examples for me. Thank you for that. I have

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more clarity on marketplaces and what type of marketplaces look like. Now, my question

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goes into the why I don't see the correlation between why Amazon is deemed as expensive

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and I want to. And I obviously want to understand that as a consumer. So compared to what?

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So compared to a commodity marketplace. So let's say you were in the business of buying

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corn. Corn's been fully commoditized. So there's an efficient marketplace that's headquartered

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in Chicago that will sell you effectively train loads of corn at a time. If you were

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to go to Amazon, number one, corn might be a little tricky to find there. You know, next

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day shipping, you'd want it pretty rapidly maybe. But if you're going to buy something

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relatively standard on Amazon, like an office chair, for example, you'd pretty swiftly discover

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is that there are thousands and thousands and thousands of different brands of office

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chair and they all use exactly the same picture to describe their office chairs. So are those

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all the same office chair with different brand identities or are some of them scams? Well,

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some of them are scams. In the Chicago environment, there's no concern about is this guy who's

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trying to sell me this train of load of corn versus that guy who's trying to sell me that

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train load of corn a scam artist because they've taken care of that. There's a mechanism to

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ensure that there's grades of corn and that people are sort of meeting their requirements.

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Amazon on the other hand makes more money the more brands there are because the brand

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owners essentially have to pay Amazon to make themselves available and then pay for advertising

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space to promote themselves in the sea of thousands of brands that they have to get

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passed. And so all of those expenses ultimately rest on the consumer who has to pay the freight.

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If that company has to give Amazon money to put it near the top of the page that can sell

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you the chair, then they need to recoup that money from somewhere and it's not falling

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out of the sky. It's coming out of your pocket. That makes sense. But my question for you

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is where can I find a cheaper chair? Well, the trick is that chairs aren't a commodity

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product. If they were, if humans had standardized on three or four different kinds of chair

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and that's just it. People just made one of three or four different kinds of chair, then

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highly efficient marketplaces and chairs could exist and all the chairs that you saw at McDonald's

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and the movie theater and your living room would be one of these three kinds of chairs.

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Okay. So let's try to go to an analogy that sticks to the point, I think, because that

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will help more. So you mentioned corn, for instance, and then that it could be bought

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through Amazon. But what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to find Noah the correlation

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between your expertise and the marketplace and how it relates to the consumer.

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Well, that's where the advantage actually accrues to the consumer is that if what you

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actually need is commodity product. So if you're in a situation where you're running

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a business that consumes a certain amount of foodstuffs or, you know, bored feet of

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lumber or particular kinds of... What are some examples, yeah, of the commoditized products

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or services? Wool, cotton, oil, iron, coal, copper, silver,

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corn, wheat, rice, pot meat, cheese, butter, milk is traded through commodity marketplaces.

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So these are the types of products that you can build marketplaces for, new marketplaces

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for? Yes. Yes. So those are all markets. Those

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are all products that have existing marketplaces built for them that could be replaced by my

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technology. Gotcha. And you want to create new marketplaces?

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So my technology changes how those marketplaces work. And so much as shifting from a horse

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and buggy to car, you're sort of doing the same thing, but you're not doing it the same

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way. My marketplace could shift and take over how those existing markets operate. But there

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are also products that aren't currently large scale enough to be traded through those kinds

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of things. So something like mohair or camel hair are popular types of threads that are

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used to make clothing, but those aren't very large markets and they're not historically

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embedded. And so they're much too small to support an existing commodity market structure.

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My marketplace is more efficient, so you could in theory operate in there. Other materials

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like cobalt and lithium, for example, are industrial materials that are becoming much

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more common these days than they used to be. And so it would be possible to set up brand

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new markets in those using my technology as they grow.

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Okay. So how does this relate and help all those people you mentioned, like everyday

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commodity stuff? What's the tie in to the audience?

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The existing overheads that you pay for the costs of the existing marketplace are considerable.

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In aluminum, for example, there was a mechanism that was discovered that allowed a company

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to effectively skim off something on the order of 20% of the aluminum market, which meant

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that if you bought anything that had aluminum in it, 20 cents of every dollar that you spent

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on the aluminum was given to a company that had figured out how to rig the financial market

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so that you would have to pay them money. So basically, if you used aluminum foil in

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the last quarter of a century, you overspent by a pretty healthy margin just because of

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that fact. This spreads across all things. Large fractions of what you spend on the raw

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materials for food, shelter, and clothing, as well as what you pay at the pump, is being

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chewed up by market overheads.

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Okay. And so is there anything I can do about that? So let's say my underwear, I get from

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Amazon, right? And so Amazon Essentials, I'm a big fan of their product line because it's

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super easy, super simple, and I guess I'm paying 20 cents more for it. So what shift

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is taking place? What are you doing to protect my 20 cents or $2 extra or whatever it is

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be embedded into marketplaces. And so we need to generate new, for say underwear, cotton

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nets that would incorporate this technology and create these more stable, less expensive

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So there's something the consumer can do about it, or are we just kind of at the mercy of

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people who decide to make better technology or not?

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Well, if you're completely unattached, sort of the best thing that you can do is, much

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like the Robin Hood people, you could get yourself on my list so that I could sort of

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have evidence of a large enough interested party group to be able to go to funding agencies

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and say, hey, there's a built-in market, let's just build one of these things. But if you

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are a consumer of end products, you aren't a direct user of these marketplaces, you are

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instead simply a victim of them.

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Right. And so I guess the question is, so then who can we connect, who do you need to

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be connected to on your end in order to make a difference?

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People who currently do or legally could operate a financial institution.

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Financial institution meaning? Defined as?

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for setting up banks. And that's what's going on. Commodity marketplaces are generally regulated

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by the CFTC, which is sort of an analog to the SEC. So the SEC is very famous, Securities

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Exchange Commission. The CFTC is the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

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Right. So how are you going about getting the connections that you need to be able to

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have that type of influence?

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Well that's basically the challenge. I reach out around the world and also get myself on

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podcasts in the hopes of maybe getting a flea in somebody's ear to build up these connection

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plans to try to get to the people who can actually build these markets, either because

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they're already operating them or because they have the regulatory wherewithal to set

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So one of the things we did in I Come, Make, or Live, one of the core activities that I

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love that Tom suggested was something that we pay attention to daily as entrepreneurs,

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as leaders, as visionaries in the world. It's called the Dream 100. You've probably heard

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the concept or utilize it yourself. But ultimately that's, I need to have a list of my top one

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hundred people where if these one hundred people, if one of these one hundred people

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were to promote me, were to talk about the importance of what I do or what my business

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is, it would have an exponential effect on what it is I'm capable of doing or accomplishing.

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Or they're like the right perfect fit client, for instance, or a person to invest. So if

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you don't have the Dream 100, I highly recommend creating your Dream 100, Noah, because it's

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you know, rather than shooting the dark, right, with different podcasters, which I don't think

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you're doing too much. But I'm just saying to juxtaposition the two.

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No, that that is much more of what I'm trying to do. I actually sadly just got shot down

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by one of mine three days ago.

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Shot down or not interested yet?

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I'd say shot down. He took the time to actually respond. But the CEO of the Intercontinental

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Exchange linked with me on LinkedIn in order to respond. No, thanks. So.

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So that's not now.

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That's yeah. OK.

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And that's I get it. I mean, I'm a sales guy. I've been knocking doors since I was 19 years

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old trying to teach people about God. All right. That was my first cell. And it was

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the hardest of all. And not interested, not now. There's a there's a lot of things that

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could cause that to come up. But if you are patient, you are persistent, you are consistent

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and you are reliable. Those four factors make a massive difference. And my number one sales

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compliment always was not Jackson's the most wise, smooth talking, charismatic person.

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No, it was always my boss would always get Jackson is persistent, which is basically

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a backhanded compliment of Jackson won't go away. Right. He's not giving up. He just keeps

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trying and trying and trying. So the cool news is you've you've made your first touch.

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Your danger experience has started right where it's like, I don't know, this Noah guy from

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Bill. Right. Which why would I why would I go with him? And if you if you stay tenacious

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with the process and keep refining how you're going about that approach, it's amazing what

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can happen. So I would I would say if this is your life goal, like if this is your passion,

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your vision, what you want people to understand and keep refining your approach to how you're

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going about the cause and keep expanding that dream 100 and, you know, dust yourself off,

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get up again and think, all right, well, obviously that approach didn't work this time. But maybe

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in six months that dude's forgotten you completely and your new approach completely changes the

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game. That's that's certainly possible. And that hope is worth holding out in terms of

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life goal. The the existing market systems, sadly, are degrading in functionality. So

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that same kind of issue that Amazon has where they make more money by costing you more money

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also infects the general financial markets as well, because computers basically make

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it cheaper to inject noise into the marketplace. And the more noise there is in the system,

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the more the system charges for the assurances that it provides. Does that create less of

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a need for you or more of a need for you and what you're building? Vastly more of a need

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for me. In fact, yes. So your value in the marketplace is rising. I don't think it's

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good news for the market. I mean, it's not good news for me. We're not trying to think

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evil here, but just pointing out in terms of your value, it's becoming it's going to

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become more and more clear why what you do is important. And you're simultaneously going

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to be working on optimizing how you talk about it to gain attention. And those two things

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will hopefully cross at a healthy. I yes, I keep that's what I keep in the game for.

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And these markets are doomed to collapse at some point, because there is some level of

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unsupportable cost that the economy cannot bear. We don't know what that is. But since

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there is no governor that will that has been able to cause that cost to be contained, and

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there's no algorithmic mechanism that will contain it. Who's on your dream 100? The operators

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and board members of the benchmark marketplaces. So the Intercontinental Exchange, the CME

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Group, the London Metals Exchange, the other important regional markets. So there's an

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African exchange, Australia has its own exchange, France has its own exchange, the EU has exchanges

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headquartered in Switzerland, China, and in Shanghai and Hong Kong has exchanges.

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All these countries that have their exchanges and then have you done your digging a research

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to know who meaning John Miller at China's and

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I'm really awful with names, but basically their CEO and board members are all publicly

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available and I you know, you can find at least some of them on LinkedIn.

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These are big because you if you put those, you know, those people as human beings into

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spreadsheet right of okay, this person works at such and such and he's got this for this

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title, etc. And you know that your dream list can be within a spreadsheet and then you start

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running that by some of the high value connections that you have in life. People who are connectors,

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people who love to ring about change in the world. The more thorough you have built out

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that list and who's doing what and how to potentially get a hold of them and look to

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to serve other markets of you know, in terms of like, hey, I can help introduce you to

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so and so on you to so and so we have that list active so that you can ask people around

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you like, Hey, do you know any of these five to 10 people, you don't have to put all 100

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I actually have been using LinkedIn pretty extensively, which is nice because it actually

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records their their connections and so I can see the connections that acceptances have.

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So I, I had just over 100 connections on LinkedIn when I started this particular journey and

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I just passed 7500 this afternoon. And I, I persistently do outreach on LinkedIn to

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expand my, my list, try to find people to talk to, and then try to get those people

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to introduce me to other people. And so, of the, of the three groups that that I've, I'm

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working with, one of them was a more or less a pure LinkedIn catch. One of them was local

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networking that wound up going global. And the third one was through podcasting.

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Yep, very good. And as you again refine that 7500, you want to expand it for distribution

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sake but also refine that clarity around which 100 and why, you know, why those 100 and what

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would you do to, to get in front of those. Another great book on the subject is raving

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fans. Raving fans by Ken Blanchard breaks down how to have influence with those who

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you want to become raving fans. For instance, if I'm going to sell a new microwave to McDonald's

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to improve their microwaving capabilities, I don't know if you can, well let's say we

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did, right? My, my prospect, my decision makers, the franchise owner could have something to

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say about it. The general manager, you know, may have something to say about it. The, the

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lead chef cook might have something to say about the process. The person who I have to

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invoice, right, in order to get me paid for the microwave may have something to say. All

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those people might become stumbling blocks in the process of working with me. So my goal,

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if I want to create a raving fan is how do I make sure that my system, the process of

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working with my microwave improves every single person's life who has to be involved with

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or touch what it is I do, even though it has nothing to do with the microwave itself. Right.

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That's an important factor. If you can, if you can figure out how your system affects

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or relates to each one of those individuals, then you can also speak to those individuals

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based on their needs, which allows them to tap on the door of the next person with more

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purpose and more, more selfish reasons, as well as say, Hey boss, will you take a look

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at what he has? Because it's going to help you this way, but they secretly already now

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know how it's going to affect and benefit them. I hope that's helpful for you.

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No, that's, yeah, that's, that's good. I, I call, I call my version of that approach

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of the story matrix and I have a, I have a, a basically a spreadsheet set up. But the,

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the core mathematical approach I have within game theory actually addresses precisely that

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this notion that if you're in a coordination game, basically a cooperative style situation,

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the, the critical stakeholders, I think is sort of the, the now unfortunately freighted

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modern term, but we'll have interests that are not oppositional. They don't have to be

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common, but they have to, you know, there can't be a zero sum I win, you lose type of

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relationship for that to be true. And so you can effectively construct a very simple,

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who's in the game, what do they want? And then use that to structure the math of what

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it's possible to offer the various players. And I grade them basically green, yellow,

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red, green players are the ones that you need for your, your cooperative system to keep

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functioning and red players are the players that you need not to be in the system for

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it to function. And then yellow are indifferent. If they show up, that's fine. If they, if

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they toss them out, that's also fine. And so the, the mathematical challenge is then

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to construct a negotiation game and CDM is a negotiation game that operates a commodity

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market that offers all of the green players a bonus for playing your game and offers all

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of the red players a loss for playing your game. And if you, if you find that mathematical

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structure, then you build a building system. Unfortunately, I don't have a generic arbitrary

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sales model. I need very simplistic things like regional or continental scale commodity

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markets to, to make the math work.

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Yeah. There's a, there's a lot to it. So if you are listening and you speak math, obviously,

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and Forex and commodities and all that, then of course reach out to Noah on LinkedIn. As

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we've heard, a great place to reach out to him at and continue the mastermind of the

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dream 100 and, and, you know, moving, moving these mountains that he sees as, as impediments

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to our, our society and our economic wellbeing. And I appreciate, you know, for tackling,

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tackling subjects that others, you know, may choose to just kind of ignore, you know, or

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not, not, not necessarily prioritize in life, but they do sound important. And I appreciate

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you breaking down some of that for us over the last 45 minutes. Thank you for being on

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my vision, bro. So do you have something else you'd like to add?

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No, no, I just wanted to thank you. Yeah. Great chance.

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I learned, I did, I learned quite a bit in this and drove in to certain territories of,

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of my own dream 100 and thinking through this process of like, well, who, who should I connect

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Noah with? And so we may catch up about that a little bit more right after the call, but

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vision pros. If you have a vision that you're working on, then continue to work on, of course,

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clarifying and projecting the end of the world. Jump on stage with us over here at vision

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pros live and get your message out there and Noah, thanks again for being here. Everybody.

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You can find more links in the show notes. So learn more about what Noah Healy does and

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everybody have a phenomenal rest of your day. Thank you for being here today. I'm really

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happy that you tuned into vision pros live. I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions

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as these episodes continue to move forward. This is going to get more and more fun. We'll

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have more and more engagement as well. We'll invite people to participate in the show and

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thank you for giving us your time and attention. Have an excellent time building out your vision

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and becoming a vision.