1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,220 The next question will be, what about your clients? 2 00:00:03,220 --> 00:00:05,420 What's your vision for those that you serve? 3 00:00:05,420 --> 00:00:08,180 And I'll ask you about the worst experience 4 00:00:08,180 --> 00:00:11,100 in business you've ever had and the best experience. 5 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:12,960 So that way your brain can start thinking through 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:13,800 what those are. 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,060 And you'll have some fun stories. 8 00:00:16,060 --> 00:00:18,260 So any questions for me? 9 00:00:18,260 --> 00:00:20,420 No, I think this will be fun. 10 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:23,700 And looking forward to just chatting away with you. 11 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:24,540 You're not like, all right, 12 00:00:24,540 --> 00:00:27,020 welcome in to Vision Pros Live. 13 00:00:27,020 --> 00:00:29,060 With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host. 14 00:00:29,060 --> 00:00:31,740 We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs 15 00:00:31,740 --> 00:00:33,700 and guest leaders who are building 16 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:35,240 fantastic visions out there. 17 00:00:44,260 --> 00:00:45,220 Hey, what's up everybody? 18 00:00:45,220 --> 00:00:47,380 And welcome in to Vision Pros Live. 19 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:49,220 I'm your host, Jackson Calame, 20 00:00:49,220 --> 00:00:51,260 founder and CEO of First Class Business. 21 00:00:51,260 --> 00:00:54,380 And I'm excited to have Henry Wong on the show today. 22 00:00:54,380 --> 00:00:55,660 He is a brand strategist. 23 00:00:55,660 --> 00:00:57,900 We're gonna get to his story in just a minute. 24 00:00:57,900 --> 00:01:00,540 If you are interested in branding, 25 00:01:00,540 --> 00:01:03,100 writing, design, creative, 26 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:04,580 what a creative director does. 27 00:01:04,580 --> 00:01:06,480 I loved it on his LinkedIn, by the way. 28 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,260 He's got a blank image. 29 00:01:08,260 --> 00:01:11,900 It's almost blank and it says, insert logo here. 30 00:01:11,900 --> 00:01:14,060 I thought that was a really brilliant move 31 00:01:14,060 --> 00:01:17,280 to help people understand you need to be branding 32 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,580 what you do. 33 00:01:18,580 --> 00:01:19,940 I don't think that was on accident anyway. 34 00:01:19,940 --> 00:01:21,160 I'll ask him about that later. 35 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,020 But without further ado, our sponsors, 36 00:01:24,020 --> 00:01:26,900 I wanna give a shout out to CapShow. 37 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:31,600 CapShow.com, C-A-P-S-H-O right here. 38 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,220 That is the secret solution that we use 39 00:01:34,220 --> 00:01:36,840 to produce our content for Vision Pros Live. 40 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,820 What we do is we upload our episode to that system 41 00:01:40,820 --> 00:01:43,060 and it produces through AI. 42 00:01:43,060 --> 00:01:45,260 It's the number one ranked AI technology 43 00:01:45,260 --> 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00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:15,660 the AI will look through our content and say, 58 00:02:15,660 --> 00:02:19,260 oh wow, okay, here's a segment where Jackson is teaching 59 00:02:19,260 --> 00:02:22,020 and where Henry's teaching and we should pull this out. 60 00:02:22,020 --> 00:02:22,860 I don't know how it works. 61 00:02:22,860 --> 00:02:24,820 I just know these AIs are getting better 62 00:02:24,820 --> 00:02:25,780 and better at what they do. 63 00:02:25,780 --> 00:02:29,020 And it saves my team so much time 64 00:02:29,020 --> 00:02:32,940 with creating a professional page for all of our episodes. 65 00:02:32,940 --> 00:02:35,340 So CapShow is one of our secret weapons. 66 00:02:35,340 --> 00:02:37,060 My biggest favorite thing about it 67 00:02:37,060 --> 00:02:38,620 is actually not the technology itself. 68 00:02:38,620 --> 00:02:41,120 Technology is kinda cool, but what's really cool 69 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,340 is when a technology company has an amazing culture. 70 00:02:44,340 --> 00:02:45,740 And so what really set me off 71 00:02:45,740 --> 00:02:47,700 was when they hit their one year anniversary, 72 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:52,100 they actually sent to me a package with a decal 73 00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:55,380 that I put on my guitar and a memo 74 00:02:55,380 --> 00:02:58,100 about how happy they were that we were a customer, right? 75 00:02:58,100 --> 00:02:58,940 You'd think it's kinda generic, 76 00:02:58,940 --> 00:03:00,700 but they went and reviewed my show. 77 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:02,820 They went and gave me a five-star review on my show 78 00:03:02,820 --> 00:03:04,820 and for all of their clients, I thought that was amazing. 79 00:03:04,820 --> 00:03:06,900 And then we started getting involved in their community 80 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:08,580 and they got a great community culture. 81 00:03:08,580 --> 00:03:11,660 You're welcome to showcase that Jaime, by the way, 82 00:03:11,660 --> 00:03:14,460 to help people understand why I'm just so amped up 83 00:03:14,460 --> 00:03:15,280 about this. 84 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,940 And it was Chris Crown, and I think his last name is. 85 00:03:17,940 --> 00:03:22,940 Chris is this genius podcaster that ran this 12-hour event. 86 00:03:22,940 --> 00:03:24,320 And in the 12-hour event, 87 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,420 honestly, I only had five minutes to sneak in. 88 00:03:26,420 --> 00:03:28,260 I snuck in for five minutes. 89 00:03:28,260 --> 00:03:29,820 It happened to be Deidre, 90 00:03:29,820 --> 00:03:32,180 the founder of CapShow Talking at the time. 91 00:03:32,180 --> 00:03:33,940 And I just sent a little memo, 92 00:03:33,940 --> 00:03:35,460 hey, I'd love to catch up with you guys sometimes. 93 00:03:35,460 --> 00:03:36,540 They didn't have the time for it. 94 00:03:36,540 --> 00:03:38,740 She's got a busy, big company to run. 95 00:03:38,740 --> 00:03:42,340 We ended up meeting at Kajabi's conference by chance, 96 00:03:42,340 --> 00:03:43,940 sitting next to each other two days 97 00:03:43,940 --> 00:03:45,500 before we had a virtual appointment. 98 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:47,740 I was like, whoa, this is crazy. 99 00:03:47,740 --> 00:03:50,060 And my team at that point started to dive into the system, 100 00:03:50,060 --> 00:03:52,620 look at it, and we've seen the support they give to people. 101 00:03:52,620 --> 00:03:55,060 We've seen how much the CapShowians, as they call themselves, 102 00:03:55,060 --> 00:03:56,300 love the system. 103 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:59,260 And by the way, we love the system too. 104 00:03:59,260 --> 00:04:01,940 They did launch their affiliate program, 105 00:04:01,940 --> 00:04:03,020 and full disclaimer, 106 00:04:03,020 --> 00:04:05,020 and we will of course provide our link for that. 107 00:04:05,020 --> 00:04:06,120 They launched it yesterday. 108 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,600 So if you have never seen CapShow and used it, 109 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:09,720 they do have a free trial. 110 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,580 You can upload a couple of episodes on there. 111 00:04:11,580 --> 00:04:13,700 What I recommend is just upload the episodes, 112 00:04:13,700 --> 00:04:16,340 and then click, click, click, click, click, click, click, 113 00:04:16,340 --> 00:04:19,380 trust the system to create your content. 114 00:04:19,380 --> 00:04:23,120 And just like anybody who writes for you for the first time, 115 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,460 you're gonna go back and see that there's little edits 116 00:04:25,460 --> 00:04:26,480 and tweaks that you need to make, 117 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,380 but the creation process, the development process, 118 00:04:29,380 --> 00:04:30,900 it is wiped out. 119 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:33,460 And so I highly recommend checking out CapShow. 120 00:04:33,460 --> 00:04:38,300 Now the other sponsor to mention is iconmakerlive.com. 121 00:04:38,300 --> 00:04:40,300 We don't have our affiliate link, and that's okay. 122 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:42,900 We're just excited to be supporting their events. 123 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:46,920 We're actually working on their new pages right now with them. 124 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,740 And I'm gonna be going to the conference in Charleston, 125 00:04:51,740 --> 00:04:53,580 South Carolina as well. 126 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:55,220 They have a super VIP program 127 00:04:55,220 --> 00:04:57,220 where 20 people are gonna come out to that event. 128 00:04:57,220 --> 00:04:59,920 And they have a VIP program and a general mission program 129 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:02,640 for the four day event where you get to go online 130 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,320 to this virtual event in Zoom 131 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,720 and learn about how to launch a successful podcast 132 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,180 and how to make sure that you launch a seven figure podcast. 133 00:05:11,180 --> 00:05:12,460 Bold claim. 134 00:05:12,460 --> 00:05:14,620 I'm excited to see what your assessments are of that. 135 00:05:14,620 --> 00:05:16,780 But if you've ever been interested in the world of podcasting 136 00:05:16,780 --> 00:05:18,580 and you wanna learn from some great executives, 137 00:05:18,580 --> 00:05:20,860 I can say that Tom Madsen, 138 00:05:20,860 --> 00:05:23,620 I put him through a ring of fire the other morning 139 00:05:23,620 --> 00:05:24,620 when we were talking about this 140 00:05:24,620 --> 00:05:26,780 because I have come across him in the past 141 00:05:26,780 --> 00:05:28,340 and I've seen him work with great people 142 00:05:28,340 --> 00:05:30,620 and I never had the chance to sit down with him. 143 00:05:30,620 --> 00:05:32,020 And I knew that there's, you know, 144 00:05:32,020 --> 00:05:34,260 I'm either dealing with a super pretender 145 00:05:34,260 --> 00:05:35,420 or a super contender. 146 00:05:35,420 --> 00:05:37,300 And that's how I look at all situations in life 147 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:38,380 when I'm meeting executives. 148 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:40,540 And Tom passed with flying colors. 149 00:05:40,540 --> 00:05:41,680 It was an awesome opportunity. 150 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,380 I can see why he's run more than 80 businesses 151 00:05:45,380 --> 00:05:46,700 in his tenured life. 152 00:05:46,700 --> 00:05:48,700 And the wisdom that comes from that 153 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:50,620 is something that I do not take for granted. 154 00:05:50,620 --> 00:05:53,100 And then of course, Cheryl, who we hosted on the show. 155 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:55,980 She's the one who is a founder, core founder. 156 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:58,980 There's four of them and the CEO of Icon Maker Live. 157 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:00,400 They have great plans for that. 158 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,140 So definitely see what's going on with that event. 159 00:06:03,140 --> 00:06:05,740 See if it's an event that makes sense for you. 160 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:07,820 They've got the bullet points laid out 161 00:06:07,820 --> 00:06:10,700 and I'm pretty excited about the page. 162 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:12,140 If you notice any mistakes, let me know 163 00:06:12,140 --> 00:06:14,260 because I actually finished a copy on it 164 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:15,100 and I wanted to make sure 165 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:16,180 that all my mistakes are worked out. 166 00:06:16,180 --> 00:06:19,820 So with that said, I can't wait to bring Henry on now 167 00:06:19,820 --> 00:06:21,740 and talk to him about all that he's doing 168 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:23,700 in the world of brand strategy. 169 00:06:23,700 --> 00:06:26,060 So Henry, thank you so much for being here today. 170 00:06:26,060 --> 00:06:27,180 We're excited to have you on the show 171 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:28,740 and can't wait to hear about your vision. 172 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:30,020 Welcome. 173 00:06:30,020 --> 00:06:30,860 Amazing. 174 00:06:30,860 --> 00:06:33,020 Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Jackson. 175 00:06:34,060 --> 00:06:35,460 Yeah, man, absolutely. 176 00:06:35,460 --> 00:06:38,880 So from brand strategy, talker director, 177 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,940 there's something really interesting 178 00:06:40,940 --> 00:06:43,300 about your background that struck me. 179 00:06:43,300 --> 00:06:44,300 And you said that you grew up 180 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:46,300 in the back of Chinese restaurants 181 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:47,500 or a Chinese restaurant 182 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:49,620 and you'd entertain your customers 183 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:51,180 in the front of house with stories, 184 00:06:51,180 --> 00:06:53,540 little jokes and big fish tales. 185 00:06:53,540 --> 00:06:56,900 And I can understand how a brand strategist 186 00:06:56,900 --> 00:07:00,260 and creative mind developed out of that process 187 00:07:00,260 --> 00:07:01,460 at such a young age. 188 00:07:02,460 --> 00:07:03,940 Tell us about that experience. 189 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:06,980 Do you have a big tell you wanted to tell 190 00:07:06,980 --> 00:07:08,300 or a big fish tale? 191 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:09,140 No. 192 00:07:09,140 --> 00:07:09,980 Something? 193 00:07:09,980 --> 00:07:13,980 Maybe a big chop suey dish of some sort. 194 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:14,820 Oh, yum. 195 00:07:14,820 --> 00:07:18,620 Yeah, like many immigrants who come to the country, 196 00:07:18,620 --> 00:07:22,180 you have a very, maybe smaller community, closed community. 197 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:26,140 I grew up in the back of a Chinese restaurant, as you said, 198 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:29,940 and I had no idea there was another language 199 00:07:29,940 --> 00:07:31,980 other than Chinese until I hit kindergarten. 200 00:07:31,980 --> 00:07:33,860 But once I began going to school, 201 00:07:33,860 --> 00:07:36,660 I began communicating with everybody. 202 00:07:36,660 --> 00:07:38,180 It became my principal language. 203 00:07:38,180 --> 00:07:41,380 And I'm far more North American than I am Chinese. 204 00:07:41,380 --> 00:07:45,100 I grew up with backyard hockey, driveway, basketball, 205 00:07:45,100 --> 00:07:46,260 and all of that. 206 00:07:46,260 --> 00:07:49,660 But through the process, I was, 207 00:07:49,660 --> 00:07:52,340 as I became proficient in English, 208 00:07:52,340 --> 00:07:54,180 my parents put me at front of house. 209 00:07:54,180 --> 00:07:56,900 So I became that little kid behind the counter, 210 00:07:56,900 --> 00:07:59,740 no more than 11, serving customers coffee, 211 00:07:59,740 --> 00:08:02,740 grabbing cigarettes from the back shelf, 212 00:08:02,740 --> 00:08:04,220 counting change backwards. 213 00:08:04,220 --> 00:08:05,820 But I learned to connect with them. 214 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:08,780 I learned to talk and to story tell, 215 00:08:08,780 --> 00:08:11,780 because I figured out that if I could story tell, 216 00:08:11,780 --> 00:08:14,980 they would actually leave me a decent tip on the counter. 217 00:08:14,980 --> 00:08:18,140 And that became my thing as I grew older. 218 00:08:18,140 --> 00:08:20,820 And I never realized how this all connected 219 00:08:20,820 --> 00:08:24,340 till later on, as I got into advertising and branding, 220 00:08:24,340 --> 00:08:27,580 that storytelling is a key part of, as you know, 221 00:08:27,580 --> 00:08:28,500 building a brand. 222 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:31,540 And that all related back to the skills I picked up 223 00:08:31,540 --> 00:08:33,860 just by standing there and performing. 224 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:36,140 I was very much like that short round character 225 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:38,660 out of Indiana Jones, who just sort of fast talked 226 00:08:38,660 --> 00:08:42,380 and got people into all sorts of laughter. 227 00:08:42,380 --> 00:08:43,580 And the more I made them laugh, 228 00:08:43,580 --> 00:08:45,380 the more there used to be coins 229 00:08:45,380 --> 00:08:46,500 that would be left on the counter. 230 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:49,100 I thought, oh, I could actually make money doing this. 231 00:08:49,980 --> 00:08:50,820 So really- 232 00:08:50,820 --> 00:08:53,100 There is so much wisdom in that. 233 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:56,780 I mean, you've been practicing for years 234 00:08:56,780 --> 00:08:59,140 how to assess your audience, 235 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:03,300 how to perceive what will make those individuals laugh 236 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:06,300 in order to drive a return on investment. 237 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:08,300 Like you gotta be a gold mine. 238 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:12,500 But I will tell you, I mean, by the time I hit grade six, 239 00:09:12,500 --> 00:09:14,820 I was pretty much the class clown, 240 00:09:14,820 --> 00:09:19,060 always commenting on the teacher's lessons and that. 241 00:09:19,060 --> 00:09:21,460 And I think that's what probably threw me 242 00:09:21,460 --> 00:09:24,460 for a little bit of a loop because he called me out. 243 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:27,620 He pulled me to the front of the classroom and goes, 244 00:09:27,620 --> 00:09:29,420 okay, wise guy, you like talking, 245 00:09:29,420 --> 00:09:31,260 go ahead and teach the rest of the class. 246 00:09:31,260 --> 00:09:33,020 And that's when I began fumbling 247 00:09:33,020 --> 00:09:35,340 and I had no words that would come out of my mouth. 248 00:09:35,340 --> 00:09:37,140 And I suddenly became very conscious 249 00:09:37,140 --> 00:09:38,620 of what I was saying. 250 00:09:38,620 --> 00:09:41,460 And that probably set me back probably two or three years 251 00:09:41,460 --> 00:09:43,980 where I became very, very shy and withdrawn. 252 00:09:43,980 --> 00:09:46,740 And you don't realize how a setback 253 00:09:46,740 --> 00:09:49,100 can really throw you off. 254 00:09:49,100 --> 00:09:52,420 But I'm glad it didn't progress into my adult years 255 00:09:52,420 --> 00:09:54,580 because then I was able to get my swagger back 256 00:09:54,580 --> 00:09:57,700 and I was able to talk and storytell. 257 00:09:57,700 --> 00:09:59,900 But it's really about communication. 258 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:01,980 And that's really, and if anything, 259 00:10:01,980 --> 00:10:04,620 that shyness forced me to communicate by writing. 260 00:10:04,620 --> 00:10:07,980 So I became a decently proficient writer. 261 00:10:07,980 --> 00:10:11,100 And that really led to my career in advertising. 262 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:14,180 And the added part was just a way of being able 263 00:10:14,180 --> 00:10:17,420 to sell the creative that I worked on 264 00:10:17,420 --> 00:10:18,820 through the different agents. 265 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:23,100 That's awesome. 266 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:24,580 Oh, Henry cut out a little bit, 267 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:27,900 but I think you ended that segment 268 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:29,460 of what you were talking about. 269 00:10:29,460 --> 00:10:34,460 And that process of going through the trauma 270 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:37,740 of somebody kind of shutting you down, 271 00:10:37,740 --> 00:10:38,820 putting you on the spot, 272 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:40,380 and then having to recover from it 273 00:10:40,380 --> 00:10:41,620 is something I love to key in on 274 00:10:41,620 --> 00:10:43,300 because everybody, it doesn't matter. 275 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:46,540 If you're a super expert, you got baggage, brother. 276 00:10:46,540 --> 00:10:48,620 Sister, you got stuff in your mind 277 00:10:48,620 --> 00:10:51,380 that's holding you back from different opportunities. 278 00:10:51,380 --> 00:10:53,260 It's important to learn how to address 279 00:10:53,260 --> 00:10:54,260 and extract those things, 280 00:10:54,260 --> 00:10:56,820 whether it's something that is from your super past 281 00:10:56,820 --> 00:10:57,620 or something recent. 282 00:10:57,620 --> 00:11:02,260 So I'm curious, do you know what you did 283 00:11:02,260 --> 00:11:06,820 or what changed in your mind to recover quickly 284 00:11:06,820 --> 00:11:07,660 at a young age? 285 00:11:07,660 --> 00:11:11,700 Because that would be powerful to hear the example. 286 00:11:11,700 --> 00:11:12,540 You got shut down. 287 00:11:12,540 --> 00:11:13,940 What did you do to open back up? 288 00:11:13,940 --> 00:11:17,580 You know, I think it often comes from reinforcement 289 00:11:17,580 --> 00:11:18,420 from other people. 290 00:11:18,420 --> 00:11:21,780 And we as human beings often look for that affirmation 291 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:25,380 from our fellow colleagues or, you know, 292 00:11:25,380 --> 00:11:26,780 family love you no matter what, 293 00:11:26,780 --> 00:11:29,340 but there's something about a third party, as you know, 294 00:11:29,340 --> 00:11:32,780 someone who can reaffirm what you can do. 295 00:11:32,780 --> 00:11:36,660 And you realize part of it is self-delusion 296 00:11:36,660 --> 00:11:40,060 and part of it is that affirmation from people. 297 00:11:40,060 --> 00:11:42,180 So when you start getting accolades, 298 00:11:42,180 --> 00:11:44,940 when people start commenting on the way you do things 299 00:11:44,940 --> 00:11:47,940 in a positive way, you really have to accept it 300 00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:50,220 and accept it with a certain amount of grace 301 00:11:50,220 --> 00:11:52,740 and understanding because many of us 302 00:11:52,740 --> 00:11:55,220 who tend to be maybe introverted 303 00:11:55,220 --> 00:11:57,340 or a little bit shyer, they go, 304 00:11:57,340 --> 00:11:59,180 oh, no, no, I'm not that way. 305 00:11:59,180 --> 00:12:02,460 As an Asian, a Canadian, an American, 306 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:05,260 I grew up with that very sort of humble outlook 307 00:12:05,260 --> 00:12:06,700 that my parents instilled in me. 308 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:09,220 And that can be not a dangerous thing, 309 00:12:09,220 --> 00:12:12,540 but it can quite affect you if you think about it 310 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:14,820 because if you're complimented 311 00:12:14,820 --> 00:12:16,740 or you achieve a certain amount, 312 00:12:16,740 --> 00:12:20,420 and if it's not good enough, it often can set you back. 313 00:12:20,420 --> 00:12:22,100 What you're looking for is really, 314 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:25,020 these are just part of the steps of my growth 315 00:12:25,020 --> 00:12:27,460 and as I achieve the next sort of run, 316 00:12:27,460 --> 00:12:32,460 as I get published in a local literary magazine, 317 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:33,460 that's a win. 318 00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:35,580 As I get my first job, that's a win. 319 00:12:35,580 --> 00:12:38,060 And as we go through business, as you can imagine, 320 00:12:38,060 --> 00:12:41,780 those little wins mount up and it gives you that confidence. 321 00:12:41,780 --> 00:12:43,260 And I think that's what it was. 322 00:12:43,260 --> 00:12:45,820 I didn't look at it eventually as a negative, 323 00:12:45,820 --> 00:12:48,740 but I looked at each as a progressive step towards, 324 00:12:48,740 --> 00:12:53,660 hopefully, the person I have perhaps become today. 325 00:12:53,660 --> 00:12:58,540 Henry, you've already inspired two fantastic truths for me 326 00:12:58,540 --> 00:13:01,180 that magnify my life and I appreciate that. 327 00:13:01,180 --> 00:13:02,460 I'll share both of them right now 328 00:13:02,460 --> 00:13:04,700 because it wouldn't have come without you. 329 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:08,020 So one, you talked about that individual, 330 00:13:08,020 --> 00:13:10,220 somebody else being the catalyst, right? 331 00:13:10,220 --> 00:13:13,900 Through an affirmation, an expression or compliment to you 332 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:15,820 to help you get back out of that shell. 333 00:13:15,820 --> 00:13:18,780 I had the same exact experience. 334 00:13:18,780 --> 00:13:21,300 When I was in kindergarten, 335 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:24,180 my kindergarten music teacher told me 336 00:13:24,180 --> 00:13:25,980 I wasn't allowed to sing in class 337 00:13:25,980 --> 00:13:27,720 because my voice was too low. 338 00:13:28,820 --> 00:13:30,380 And I don't remember that. 339 00:13:30,380 --> 00:13:32,180 My mom says I came home devastated. 340 00:13:32,180 --> 00:13:34,260 She went to the, she's an angel 341 00:13:34,260 --> 00:13:37,340 and she went and tore this teacher apart apparently. 342 00:13:37,340 --> 00:13:39,220 The only thing I do remember about the situation 343 00:13:39,220 --> 00:13:41,820 was the next day I came into class for music, 344 00:13:41,820 --> 00:13:42,900 probably a week later, 345 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:46,740 there was this giant, huge black man with a low voice 346 00:13:46,740 --> 00:13:50,160 who stood next to me and like was singing with me. 347 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,420 And I didn't know why I didn't have any content. 348 00:13:52,420 --> 00:13:53,540 Well, at least I don't remember why, 349 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:56,420 but I'm pretty sure like that experience occurred 350 00:13:56,420 --> 00:13:59,340 because of what my mom said to that lady now. 351 00:13:59,340 --> 00:14:02,500 But for years, I had no confidence whatsoever in singing. 352 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:05,940 I was terrified to sing or to do things in front of people 353 00:14:05,940 --> 00:14:08,740 or I was noticed and I was in church singing to him, 354 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:10,820 like under my breath sort of. 355 00:14:10,820 --> 00:14:14,900 And my friend's dad, we had just moved into the area. 356 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:17,020 He turns to me and he goes, 357 00:14:17,020 --> 00:14:20,340 man, you've got a really good voice. 358 00:14:20,340 --> 00:14:25,340 And I was like, thanks, like awkward, preteen, 359 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:28,340 like thanks, I didn't say anything else. 360 00:14:28,340 --> 00:14:30,780 But my mind was fireworks. 361 00:14:30,780 --> 00:14:34,260 Like it was like, oh my gosh, maybe I have a good voice. 362 00:14:34,260 --> 00:14:35,860 Maybe I could sing, maybe I could do this, maybe do that. 363 00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:37,300 Like my brain was going nuts. 364 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:39,580 My heart was, I was like, what? 365 00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:42,260 Like I was, I didn't know I had that capacity. 366 00:14:42,260 --> 00:14:45,000 So my challenge to you, Vision Pros, 367 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,820 you'd be the person, right? 368 00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:48,540 If I am, if I am my life, 369 00:14:48,540 --> 00:14:51,860 be that person to compliment others and lift them up, 370 00:14:51,860 --> 00:14:55,880 then I'm going to likely receive that in my life too. 371 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,440 The more you give, the more you get. 372 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,820 So look for people in your life who you can compliment 373 00:14:59,820 --> 00:15:02,340 because odds are they're not as aware 374 00:15:02,340 --> 00:15:04,220 of their strengths as they could be. 375 00:15:04,220 --> 00:15:06,740 That's the first thing that you instilled in me. 376 00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:07,940 Henry, you have any further thoughts on that? 377 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:09,620 You want to keep going on that subject? 378 00:15:09,620 --> 00:15:12,540 Yeah, no, I love that touch. 379 00:15:12,540 --> 00:15:14,220 And I think you're absolutely right 380 00:15:14,220 --> 00:15:16,940 because we can lift each other up so much 381 00:15:16,940 --> 00:15:18,500 and it really doesn't take much. 382 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:20,960 And it's not falsehoods or anything, 383 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,620 but you do, it's easy enough to focus on the negative, 384 00:15:24,620 --> 00:15:27,620 maybe a little bit harder to focus on some of the positives, 385 00:15:27,620 --> 00:15:29,300 but that most positives, 386 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:31,860 particularly within our peer groups and our, 387 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:35,420 the businesses that we run can be so discouraging. 388 00:15:35,420 --> 00:15:39,260 It really helps to have that cheerleader on the side. 389 00:15:39,260 --> 00:15:42,380 And you touched on your mother actually going to bat for you. 390 00:15:42,380 --> 00:15:44,860 And I, now that I think about it, 391 00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:47,780 my dad actually went to bat for me a number of times. 392 00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:50,220 Even at times I was bullied in the schoolyard. 393 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:53,780 You could have just left it at that, go back out there. 394 00:15:53,780 --> 00:15:56,340 But he went down to the school and said, 395 00:15:56,340 --> 00:15:58,580 this is the environment that's being created for my son. 396 00:15:58,580 --> 00:16:00,080 You have to try to change it. 397 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,020 And that's particularly, he wasn't a forceful person 398 00:16:04,020 --> 00:16:06,100 and he didn't have high expectations. 399 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:08,660 He just needed to communicate these are the concerns 400 00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:13,660 and his sort of manner about him and a quiet confidence 401 00:16:13,780 --> 00:16:15,660 really stuck with me. 402 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:18,420 And I, as we delve into this, 403 00:16:18,420 --> 00:16:22,020 I realized so much of what the people around us 404 00:16:22,020 --> 00:16:24,340 affect us in so many different ways. 405 00:16:24,340 --> 00:16:26,420 And so you look for the positive, 406 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:29,000 I think, and then shed the negative. 407 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:29,860 It seems simple, 408 00:16:29,860 --> 00:16:32,700 but maybe that's the way we need to look at things. 409 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:33,540 I love that. 410 00:16:33,540 --> 00:16:35,960 And your dad showed what I would call the difference 411 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,160 between strength and force. 412 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,240 Right, when somebody is strong and they exercise strength, 413 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,820 they can do so with calm like a lion 414 00:16:44,820 --> 00:16:47,380 that doesn't need to let his presence be known 415 00:16:47,380 --> 00:16:49,260 in front of the antelope, 416 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:52,940 or the rest of the kingdom. 417 00:16:52,940 --> 00:16:55,100 No hyena is gonna attack a lion by itself. 418 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:56,540 It knows it's strong. 419 00:16:56,540 --> 00:16:58,380 Versus force where somebody comes in 420 00:16:58,380 --> 00:17:00,080 and tries to make things happen, 421 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:05,080 much like a hyena tries to do and dives in. 422 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,120 There's not a lot of strength with most opportunities 423 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:10,960 where force is executed. 424 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,200 The strength is usually missing. 425 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,000 So well done by your dad to have that. 426 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,880 What's your vision, Henry, in 15 seconds? 427 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,360 What's your personal vision? 428 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:23,280 You know, it's quite simple. 429 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:28,280 It's just simply to have a positive impact on the world. 430 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,080 I love that. 431 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:30,900 I love it. 432 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:32,240 I think you're sticking to the 15 seconds. 433 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,200 I'd love for you to expand that too though now. 434 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,400 So now what has positive impact on the world 435 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,840 and how do you wanna accomplish that in your life? 436 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,340 We'll talk about those who serve after, 437 00:17:42,340 --> 00:17:46,040 but what do you see for yourself five, 10, 15 years 438 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,240 down the road? 439 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,080 You know, just again, doing a lot of the same 440 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,520 that I'm doing now, impacting businesses, 441 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,280 sharing knowledge however I can. 442 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,760 Years ago, I remember interviewing someone 443 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,800 for my first book amongst entrepreneurs. 444 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,040 And he was really quite proud of himself 445 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,760 because he had moved from just being a doer 446 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,880 and a manager to now a manager of inspiration. 447 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,000 And I thought, what a wonderful job title to have. 448 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,600 And I'd love to be able to continue this on in my life. 449 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,680 You know, you learn a lot, you made a lot of mistakes. 450 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,560 If I can help people with some of that knowledge 451 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,200 or inspiration and be that manager of inspiration, 452 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,480 I think that's a perfect way to spend 453 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,960 the next five, 10 years. 454 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,240 I love that. 455 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,920 And so let's dive deeper into that. 456 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,440 So what's your vision for those that you're serving? 457 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,600 What is it you're hoping they achieve, accomplish 458 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,600 or redirect that to another outcome? 459 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,440 Yeah, I mean, it does tie back to my own personal vision. 460 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,640 So when I, I think seven years ago, 461 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,600 I was a partner in an ad agency. 462 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,240 And then unfortunately, my partner who was a bit older 463 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,680 had passed away. 464 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,720 And that allowed me to do a little bit of a reset 465 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,440 and re-examination of my life, you know, 466 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,880 what he had gone through. 467 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,440 So I started a new company, a new agency 468 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,560 and that's called Vue. 469 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,280 And my sole purpose and it's really the mandate that I use. 470 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,120 I only wanna work with companies and clients 471 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:16,840 who wanna have a positive impact on the world. 472 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,320 So that's informed the type of business I've brought in, 473 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,600 the type of clients I interact with. 474 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:27,120 And even the people that I bring on as team members itself, 475 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,720 it's been just a wonderful ride 476 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,640 and just that little bit of reset 477 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,000 and understanding how your personal vision 478 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,560 can affect your business vision can make things well. 479 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,440 Because when the two don't reconcile, 480 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,800 that's where the conflict happens 481 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,920 and that's where that unhappiness happens. 482 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,320 So I think I've been, you know, I'm super, super busy, 483 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,560 but I haven't been happier than I have been in years. 484 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,960 Wow, that's again, just another deep set of wisdom 485 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,000 of making sure that your personal decisions, 486 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,240 your business decisions, I know it sounds simple 487 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,400 that they correlate, but without it, 488 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,680 they're not gonna reconcile. 489 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,800 As you mentioned, there's gonna be a dissonance 490 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,360 that exists in life if you don't address that. 491 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,320 So go ahead, you have another thought? 492 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,080 Yeah, the biggest challenge often is, you know, 493 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,600 many of us who particularly who run businesses 494 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,040 or work with an environment, you know, 495 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,560 we're tied to obviously trying to make money 496 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,200 and that was always a concern. 497 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,960 Well, what if we don't get the business we want 498 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,840 or what if we don't, you know, sustain this 499 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,800 based on this sort of criteria? 500 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,400 I actually found, and I don't know if it was luck 501 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,520 or just the law of attraction, 502 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,960 but it actually did the opposite, 503 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,880 which is I have more business 504 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,360 than I can reasonably handle at this point, 505 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:50,640 just because of that, because I'm so selective 506 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,680 and I only focus on these types of companies. 507 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,280 It's when your mission aligns with other people 508 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,880 that they bring you on, not simply as a transaction, 509 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,640 as a way to engage your services, 510 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,800 but they truly see you as a partner in their business 511 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,760 because you believe in what they believe 512 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,800 because they're one in the same. 513 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,680 And from that, you're really growing together 514 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,680 and I think that's been a big learning for me 515 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,440 in terms of, I wish I, again, it goes back to, 516 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,120 I wish I knew then what I knew now 517 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:24,600 because it would have changed a lot of the way I did things. 518 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,920 Absolutely, so let's talk about that. 519 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,080 For the visionaries who are on the rise 520 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,360 and life's getting busier because they're becoming 521 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:34,280 more of an in-demand brand. 522 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,280 You mentioned having the clients that you want to work with, 523 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,600 you have this abundance about you. 524 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,240 So the question that I think a lot of people 525 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,400 who are struggling to get to that level would ask is, 526 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,720 so then why do interviews? 527 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,040 Why put, I have my answers, but why do interviews? 528 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,960 Why seek more attention? 529 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,120 And why go out to the world to speak 530 00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:00,520 if you're at capacity as a business owner? 531 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,200 What are your thoughts on that? 532 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,320 Yeah, I mean, my goal at this point 533 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,160 isn't necessarily bring on more business. 534 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,280 It's really an opportunity to share wisdom. 535 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,000 So during pandemic, I had the opportunity 536 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,040 because we were shut down in my city. 537 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,440 So I spent every Saturday morning beginning to write a book 538 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,440 and that laid out a lot of the process I have 539 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,840 and a lot of my philosophy for branding, 540 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,160 particularly for people brands. 541 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,280 And at the end of the process, 542 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,080 I ended up with a book that a publisher picked up 543 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,280 and now it's out in the world, which is great, 544 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,040 but it's a wonderful way again to share knowledge 545 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,320 with people. 546 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,520 The one thing I found with many people coming to me 547 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,240 was that my, not that my fees are super expensive, 548 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,360 but for a lot of personal brands, 549 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,720 it's not something they can normally take on 550 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:52,640 as an expense. 551 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,320 So it's my way of sharing the knowledge 552 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,600 in sort of a do it yourself approach 553 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,440 that they might be able to take on. 554 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,160 So I think just going out in the world 555 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,840 and perhaps being, I don't necessarily wanna be a teacher 556 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,160 per se, but being able to be simply a share of knowledge 557 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,960 and hopefully helping people in that way 558 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,880 will be quite a wonderful benefit back to me. 559 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,280 Awesome, I have a strange question for you. 560 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,760 I've never asked anybody on this show 561 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,640 and just feel very inspired to ask you about it. 562 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,080 So two questions back to back. 563 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:35,080 What are the two to three top most important virtues to you 564 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,880 if you have them on hand 565 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,520 and what are the two to three most important feelings to you? 566 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,560 That's really interesting. 567 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,840 You know, obviously they're all important. 568 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:47,680 Yeah, no, no, no. 569 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,520 They're all important. 570 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:53,400 So first question, what are the two or three traits, I guess? 571 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,040 To me, I think number one is compassion. 572 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,880 It's so easy for many of us to be unforgiving 573 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,520 or be angry at a situation or at people. 574 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,560 Much more difficult to maybe put yourself 575 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,720 in the other person's shoes. 576 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,840 So that sense of compassion, I think is really 577 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,320 one of the things that I've been working on 578 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,680 and I'd like to think that's what has informed 579 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,720 the way I run a business. 580 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,640 So I think the other side is to live life by example 581 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,960 as best you can, which is really my way of set, 582 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,200 hopefully setting an example. 583 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,240 So the way I, the manner in which I manage, 584 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,080 the way I conduct my business, 585 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,200 hopefully will connect with people that I work with 586 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,320 that they may be in turn be able to do the same. 587 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,760 Amazing, okay. 588 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,560 And compassion, I don't think you can have compassion 589 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,320 without love and I love that, that you chose a word 590 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,000 that dives into a very unique characteristic of love. 591 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,200 And what about on the feeling side, 592 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,360 the things that you want to feel? 593 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:03,920 What are the two or three most important feelings for you? 594 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,120 You know, I think it's a daily enthusiasm 595 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:12,120 and excitement and just laughter along the way. 596 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,160 They say laughter is the best medicine. 597 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,880 So you can't laugh at yourself and you can't laugh 598 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,840 at things that happen along the way 599 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,480 or find the humor in things. 600 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,200 And you can get into a very, very dark place 601 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,160 and it's easy enough to default to that. 602 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,560 But when you look for those opportunities 603 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,160 to smile at yourself or bring a smile to somebody else, 604 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,800 it just creates these wonder. 605 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,960 And I don't know necessarily the science 606 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,360 and the neurology behind it, 607 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,400 but I do know there's a positive effect 608 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,000 that certainly comes from it. 609 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,880 But you start the day with just, 610 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,840 you know, every day is a reset if you think about it. 611 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,080 So the day before could have been quite crappy 612 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,720 and didn't go your way, but wow, it's like a game. 613 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,760 I get to start a game the next day 614 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,840 and maybe make things a little bit better. 615 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,840 And that's a way to look at it 616 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,200 because the opposite can be quite debilitating, 617 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,520 which is dread of looking forward to going to it. 618 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,720 Right, right, no, exactly. 619 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,560 You know, and I think it's a four dimensional paradigm 620 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,360 or beyond perhaps, but because that's one 621 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,600 of the angle opposites and I need more Henry Wong 622 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,400 in my life to be honest with you. 623 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,480 This is super awesome. 624 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,560 I love the answers you have because I love 625 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,160 that you chose the word enthusiasm 626 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,800 because there's a very distinct meaning 627 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,040 between enthusiasm and excitement. 628 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,320 And it's cool that you chose excitement a second 629 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,520 and laughter too as part of that process. 630 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,280 I'm by nature a healer. 631 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,840 Like that's what I gravitate and nurture. 632 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,840 And you know, my number one would be peace, 633 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,680 you know, peace followed by love. 634 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,680 But I definitely, I grew up kind of not 635 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:00,120 with a whole lot of laughter, I guess you could say. 636 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,520 And so I've learned to rewire that over the last decade. 637 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,880 I've been working on that process of understanding, wow, 638 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,800 okay, this is what happiness is. 639 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:09,960 And this is how it works. 640 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,560 So, you know, you're like a superstar 641 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,960 at something that I'm aspiring to accomplish. 642 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,640 So let's, yeah, I mean, I'm excited to stand. 643 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,520 I think in a lot of ways, I would say you're there, 644 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,280 you just have this wonderful manner about you 645 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,360 that just sets everybody at ease 646 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,120 and it comes both from your voice, 647 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,920 but you know, there's a certain energy projection 648 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,280 that you have, even though we're, you know, 649 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,960 separated by, you know, you're definitely someone, 650 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,800 you know, we're in the same city, 651 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,200 we'd be hanging out and grabbing beers and coffee 652 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,120 and just chatting about how to fix the world. 653 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,720 Yes, that's right. 654 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,360 Well, I appreciate that, you know, 655 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:50,360 and that's the goal, right? 656 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:52,280 It's that, I love how you framed it too, 657 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,560 the starting the game again the next day. 658 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,720 You know, it's those little concepts that can shift 659 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,560 how we perceive an opportunity. 660 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,320 So my fourth dimension, right, 661 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,320 or my other dimension of starting is, 662 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,160 I have the same type of concept, 663 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,840 but I've usually started my day with like, 664 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,840 I'm happy, I'm excited, and I have joy, I have peace, 665 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,280 I'm ready to go, and I can't wait for the day, 666 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,880 but I haven't looked at it from the perspective of a game, 667 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,880 right, and so adding that little chip to the equation 668 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,920 can make a world of a difference 669 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,120 in how you perceive the opportunities in the world. 670 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:33,520 It makes it a little bit more playful. 671 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,280 And so it's, yeah, just little golden nuggets, man. 672 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,520 I'm gonna dive into a dark subject now, 673 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,480 something that just completely changes the tone. 674 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,480 So what's your worst business experience ever, Henry? 675 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,200 You know, I have to say, 676 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,440 it was probably during my time 677 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,880 working for one of the big ad agencies, 678 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,640 and with global ad agencies, 679 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,640 you don't get to choose the clients that you have. 680 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,960 They're part of a worldwide alignment. 681 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,040 So we had this one, and I won't mention names, of course, 682 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,360 but we had this one large client 683 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,240 who was forced to work with us. 684 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,440 They preferred probably to work with another agency, 685 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,080 but because it was alignment across the globe, 686 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,120 they had to work with us. 687 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,080 So as a result of it, the client was just simply bullies. 688 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,840 You know, they could yell at us, 689 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,840 they could expect really unsavory things from us 690 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,880 and harass us. 691 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,520 And we had to essentially take it 692 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,360 because it was like a forced marriage. 693 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,600 So I think, you know, 694 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,480 when you think of the corporate grind, that was a grind, 695 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,480 but rather than look at it and be stuck, 696 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,880 it actually inspired me to realize 697 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,560 and to work towards creating my own entity, 698 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,000 because then I could control the type of clients. 699 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,520 And I think that was probably, 700 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,200 again, more of a learning experience 701 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,680 rather than a bad experience. 702 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,560 So even though it was probably a super bad work, you know, 703 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,280 business experience, it did inspire me to really, 704 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,760 I guess, go back to my original mantra that I talked about, 705 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,400 which is really only work with the clients that I want to, 706 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,120 only work with the ones that have a positive impact 707 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:14,960 on the world. 708 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,120 We can control our destiny as best we can. 709 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,440 I'm not making, you know, in those first few years, 710 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,480 I probably nowhere in the world did make the money 711 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,600 that I made back in the big agency days, 712 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,760 but that quickly corrected itself after some time. 713 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,360 And it was just because I was able to attract 714 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,480 the type of clients and still do the work that I wanted, 715 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,920 because it's, you know, in business, 716 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,360 when you reach a certain level, you can be quite lucrative, 717 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,440 but at the same time, you have to look at what you're getting 718 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,000 out of it as a result. 719 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,000 So as bad as it was, it was still a positive in that manner. 720 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,360 It is mind blowing to me that three out of three times 721 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,880 I've asked this question since I add to the list, 722 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,560 every single entrepreneur, their worst experience 723 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,160 led to them starting their business. 724 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,680 It is an interesting trend that just continues. 725 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,720 So let's talk about your best experience. 726 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,920 What is your best experience in business? 727 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,520 I would say a job that I wasn't paid for, 728 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,520 and it was the national newspaper at the time coming to me, 729 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,480 because I was getting fairly well known 730 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,440 as a creative director and a brand person. 731 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,280 So they said, you know, 732 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,840 we have this homeless situation in the city. 733 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,560 How would you advertise it or create awareness around it 734 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,560 so people pay attention to it? 735 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240 So I said, give me a week. 736 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,840 And I began working with my creative partner at the time. 737 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,840 We came up with this quite an unusual idea, 738 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,760 and that was to photograph a homeless person 739 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,640 and a rich person side by side, 740 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,200 but we had them stripped naked. 741 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,880 And we ran this as a full page. 742 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,280 It was an editorial, but it was also an ad. 743 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,080 And really the thought behind it was, 744 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,720 the only difference between the rich man 745 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,280 and the homeless person is your attitude towards them. 746 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,640 It was stripped away, you had no perception of who they were. 747 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,640 And that got all sorts of accolades and positive response. 748 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,240 But the more important thing, 749 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,760 it made me realize that through the right messaging, 750 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,200 through the right way in which I could express my skills, 751 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,920 I could have a small impact 752 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,680 on the way people could perceive things 753 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,640 or the way we could alter the way people look at things. 754 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,040 So in that way, I think it really was 755 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,640 my best business experience 756 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,320 because it began leading me again 757 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,240 to all the things that I'm doing now 758 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,640 to ensure that I had impact on the things that we do. 759 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,320 Wow, what a bold move. 760 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,920 What a bold, okay. 761 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,920 So you took this move. 762 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,000 Did you have any trepidation about you 763 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,120 when you were thinking about the idea of presenting this? 764 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,440 Was there anything that made you be like, 765 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,720 oh my gosh, I don't know, 766 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,480 they might fire me if I suggest this? 767 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,440 Or did you already have the boldness 768 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,160 to know that you're good 769 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,720 and they were going to accept this process 770 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,600 with flying colors? 771 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,720 What were some of your thought processes like 772 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,120 when you realized you were going to ask them 773 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,520 or suggest to them that you were gonna make two individuals 774 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,880 strip down buck naked and get photographed? 775 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,320 Or did you do it before you asked? 776 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,680 Tell me about this. 777 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,320 I think particularly in the world of creativity 778 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,880 and business, sometimes those things 779 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,080 that make your palms sweat a little bit 780 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,160 or make you feel a little bit uncomfortable 781 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,680 or maybe the ideas you wanna begin pushing 782 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,320 because if you do everything the same, 783 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,320 then the goal often in branding and in advertising, 784 00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,000 in addition to all the other sort of steps is that be noticed. 785 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:00,960 How will you be noticed? 786 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,760 And what is the effect of being noticed? 787 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,080 So it's easy enough to just simply do things for attention, 788 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,680 but with the right attention, 789 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,160 with the right sort of messaging, 790 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,840 what's the residual benefit from it? 791 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,320 So while it seemed risky, in the end, it really wasn't 792 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,560 because the effect or the message that we're getting, 793 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,640 we were getting across is absolutely what we want to do. 794 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,000 So that was really the idea was a conduit 795 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,920 to getting that message to people. 796 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,920 So in that way, no risk. 797 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,600 And I mean, the publication ran it 798 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,120 with the right black bars in place, of course, 799 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:43,120 but it did have a strong effect 800 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,560 on people looking at it, of course. 801 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,440 Well, so visionaries, listen to this. 802 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,240 Henry's answer to my question shows his absolute conviction 803 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:55,360 over the situation at hand. 804 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,120 So many of us psych ourselves out 805 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,600 when we have an opportunity where we're so worried 806 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,200 about the perception of what others will say 807 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,440 in spite of our palms sweating 808 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,080 and wanting to move it forward, 809 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,000 we almost, we can plant the seed of doubt too often 810 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,640 with those that we're working with 811 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,320 and overshadow the value of what we do. 812 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,120 And so if you have a tendency to ask for permission, 813 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,080 for instance, and when you're supposed to be bold 814 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,280 and confident about a situation, 815 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,120 I'm not talking about being overbearing. 816 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,280 I'm talking about being certain about your knowledge 817 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,840 and expertise and moving forward boldly. 818 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,800 You didn't even, you either missed the question, 819 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,600 which because of your assurity, which I think is beautiful, 820 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,600 or you didn't see what could have been a negative, 821 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,480 I guess, contention in the process 822 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,960 because you were centered and sound and ready to move forward. 823 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,880 So was there people who pushed back or were there not? 824 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,240 No, I was in a position of a forwarding in power. 825 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:04,440 I was a senior vice president and creative director. 826 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:09,440 So it wasn't a difficult approval process. 827 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,520 But I will add to what you said, 828 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,440 and I think you framed it really quite well, Jackson, 829 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,560 and that's really just moving forward. 830 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,920 And I would add to it, go back to, for each of us, 831 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,480 go back to your own purpose and your mission, 832 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,120 because if it answers that, then you really can't be wrong 833 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,400 because you've set that out as part of your belief system. 834 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,680 Where I think there is an issue 835 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,640 is where it goes against that. 836 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,680 If it didn't answer what I was looking to do, 837 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,040 which was to have a positive impact 838 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,280 on the way people perceive things on this particular issue, 839 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,200 then I would have probably shied away from it. 840 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,880 But the mission was there. 841 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,560 And that itself, I think, is your guiding light 842 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,720 in many ways. 843 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,600 Interesting. 844 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,600 I'm gonna ask you a deeply personal question. 845 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680 You can decline. 846 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,720 But what is your belief system, Henry? 847 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:04,720 From spiritual or religious? 848 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,080 I guess that's what you're looking for. 849 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,720 So, Henry, you're welcome to answer that how you'd like. 850 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,920 You know, just to, I guess, share with everybody. 851 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,240 I mean, I grew up very much in the suburbs. 852 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,240 So I went to a Bible college, 853 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:21,520 and my best friend down the street was Lutheran. 854 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,520 So a lot of very strong Christian-based thinking 855 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,760 that helped inform a lot of my morals and standards. 856 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,600 But it didn't really end up where, 857 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,440 or I didn't end up with that. 858 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,880 Along the way, as you become curious, as you look at, 859 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,840 you begin studying other religions and philosophies. 860 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,760 And so I began embracing a little bit more of that Buddhism 861 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,880 where, I guess, that compassion trait comes in 862 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,120 at the same time. 863 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,520 But these things, I think it's a little bit more, 864 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,600 I guess, universal. 865 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,520 I don't really tie to anything. 866 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,720 I think we can maybe move beyond the bounds of doctrines 867 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,920 and just try to help each other and embrace each other 868 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,800 and uplift each other. 869 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,280 And it doesn't need to tie to any one philosophy 870 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,960 or belief it. 871 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,280 Because if you look across the board, 872 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,760 that can be in itself very common. 873 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,160 We have that magic golden rule that we often say, 874 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,880 do unto others, do unto others as you would have them 875 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:23,720 do unto you. 876 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,720 It's so universal across any sort of belief system. 877 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,880 And you don't need to be tied to one to appreciate that. 878 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,720 I love that. 879 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,960 So again, your approach, I just wanted to dissect it 880 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,760 for those who are listening because there's so much 881 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,560 deeper wisdom in the way that you're portraying this 882 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,400 and that you can take it. 883 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,360 And you're actually making me sound smarter than I am. 884 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,200 So thank you for that. 885 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,360 That's not true. 886 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,200 I'm pulling this from you because you're putting it out there. 887 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,880 So Henry, you have a deep appreciation 888 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,920 for the religious cultures and systems 889 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,520 that you've experienced in life. 890 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,440 You talk about it with honor. 891 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,000 And it's guided you to have this in nature. 892 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,880 And one thing that I think is really valuable about that 893 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,960 is that the belief systems are ones that you honor. 894 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,120 You've chosen to find the virtue in those opportunities 895 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,000 as you've expanded. 896 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000 And so you have a core set of belief systems 897 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,440 that are also flexible with your knowledge and learning. 898 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,640 Whereas I see a lot of people in the world who 899 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,920 are very scared to talk about belief systems 900 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,160 because they see such quick opportunities to clash 901 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,960 with others and to find conflict. 902 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,120 And if you ignore the belief systems out there, 903 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,200 you say, well, they're bad because I don't agree with them. 904 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,720 And then you end up isolating yourself 905 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:47,680 from having a belief system, which I think, 906 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,720 from what I've seen in my small experience in life, 907 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,160 is that it leaves people without a foundation and a base. 908 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,280 Whereas you have all these foundations 909 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,640 that you're constantly molding together. 910 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,520 And so entrepreneurs, the visionaries that I talk to 911 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,360 and they get to interview and meet with, to me, 912 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,200 it's not about cornering them into a belief system 913 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,640 as much as it is about recognizing that when we have 914 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,800 a base that we can draw from, we have principles and laws 915 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,920 that we trust, kind of like gravity. 916 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,120 We know that every time I throw something in the air, 917 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,000 it's going to come down. 918 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,480 And so I have a confidence about my ability 919 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,760 to do things thanks to the belief systems 920 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,880 that were instilled in me. 921 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,600 And you've just expanded that to say how every culture 922 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,000 in the world has light and knowledge 923 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,760 that we can learn from if we're willing to. 924 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,560 That's beautifully put. 925 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,760 But you're absolutely right. 926 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,520 And I think we can learn so much from each other 927 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,360 rather than to maybe look at the differences, 928 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,880 look at the things that can help align 929 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,560 with your own belief system. 930 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,920 And it's amazing how you could bridge the gap 931 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,280 to many discussions that way. 932 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,920 Wow, absolutely. 933 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,040 So we've pretty much done this the entire time, 934 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,920 thanks to you, but I'm going to do it again. 935 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,360 What powerful lesson can other visionaries learn 936 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,760 from your experience, Henry? 937 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,280 Hopefully this thirst for knowledge and curiosity, 938 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,920 because if you come in with an open vessel, 939 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,320 you can learn so much from other people. 940 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,520 I've been complimented in the past 941 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,560 of being not an interesting person, 942 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,400 but an interested person. 943 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,040 And I found that at first, 944 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,000 I thought I might've been put off by it, 945 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,200 but then I realized, no, 946 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,480 that was actually a wonderful compliment. 947 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,400 And I think having that, being that openness 948 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,760 to just learning from others will help fulfill your life 949 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,680 and help you just keep advancing 950 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,920 and finding those incremental improvements, 951 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,440 whether it's business or in your personal side. 952 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,920 So be curious. 953 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:54,760 I love that. 954 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,840 If you're in sales long enough, 955 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,520 or you're in marketing long enough 956 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,680 to go to enough conferences, 957 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,760 you will eventually hear a leader reflect just that 958 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,760 and say, the moment you stop being interesting, 959 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,280 and you become interested in those you serve 960 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,120 is the moment you will level up and rise as a leader. 961 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,200 And so that's really cool that they said that to you 962 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,960 and that you caught the value of it 963 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,360 out of the circumstance. 964 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,720 It is definitely one of the best compliments 965 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,560 that one can receive as a leader. 966 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,160 So if you're out there listening right now, 967 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,320 we appreciate you, 968 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,960 because you're also expressing that interest 969 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,840 in what it is we're doing. 970 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,440 We honor your curiosity. 971 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,920 If you have comments that you'd like to share, 972 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,880 if you have to inspire others along this way, 973 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,920 people who are maybe looking from the fringes 974 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,240 of potentially listening to this, 975 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,560 but saying, I don't know if I wanna spend time on that. 976 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,640 It's your comments that are going to inspire 977 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,880 those individuals to also tune in 978 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,560 and gain insight from people like Henry. 979 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,240 On the flip side, if you have questions, 980 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,120 things that you'd like to know further about Henry or myself, 981 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,040 don't hesitate to comment and ask, 982 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:03,920 and reach out to us. 983 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,320 I'm sure Henry would be more than happy 984 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,680 to receive communication. 985 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,920 Where, if people wanna contact you Henry, 986 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,640 where should they be reaching out? 987 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,640 I have my own website that leads to both business 988 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,720 and my book, henrywong.co. 989 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,200 So contact is there and a little bit of information 990 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,400 about me is there as well. 991 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,920 So yeah. 992 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,600 Awesome, Jaime, go ahead and you can pull that up. 993 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,480 That way everybody can get a look 994 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,960 at what they're looking for when they, 995 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,240 and the spelling of course. 996 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:33,520 Very good, awesome. 997 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,320 Your story, building your brand. 998 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,080 Just, I just wanna thank you for the incredible depth 999 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,760 of wisdom knowledge that you shared with us. 1000 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,440 I can see how valuable insights would be in your books 1001 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,760 if people have the opportunity to go 1002 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,880 and purchase those as well. 1003 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,280 Vue as a company, would you like to share anything 1004 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,640 about Vue before we wrap up? 1005 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,640 Is there, who's the ideal, what scenario is somebody in 1006 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,520 in their life or their business 1007 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,760 where it would make sense to say, wow, 1008 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,080 Vue really could be the great solution for me? 1009 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,480 Yeah, so the ones that I seem to gravitate 1010 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,080 and the ones I'm looking to attract 1011 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,000 are typically mid growth companies 1012 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,920 who are looking to get to the next level, 1013 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,440 but definitely have that mission and purpose 1014 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,120 of having a positive impact on the world. 1015 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,120 And love to talk to you, even if not to do business, 1016 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,120 I enjoy meeting so many people in this space 1017 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,520 and the more of us that who are out there, 1018 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,200 I think the more we can have a positive effect on the world. 1019 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,040 I love it. 1020 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,240 If you're looking for a dynamic speaker 1021 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:44,360 who has capable of driving laughter, enthusiasm 1022 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,520 and excitement to your conference, that also is endearing 1023 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,920 and has a, what I've seen as a heart of gold 1024 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,280 and who's going to bring an authentic series 1025 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,360 of wisdom truths for your audience, 1026 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,000 and by all means reach out to Henry Wong 1027 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,140 and bring him on your stage. 1028 00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:00,400 You will bless lives. 1029 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,400 Henry, thanks for your time. 1030 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,000 That's really nice, thank you. 1031 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:03,840 Of course, man. 1032 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,800 Wonderful to be on your show. 1033 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,800 Oh man, you're constantly honoring me, I appreciate it. 1034 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,120 So you guys have a fantastic week. 1035 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,800 In fact, we will see in the next episode. 1036 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,800 We got one coming up here at 1 p.m. Central, I believe it is. 1037 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:18,800 Am I right, Jaime? 1038 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,640 Is that when the time is? 1039 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,960 I appreciate you, brother. 1040 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,120 All right, guys, have a great one. 1041 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,120 We'll see you on the next show. 1042 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,480 Thank you for being here today. 1043 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,960 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 1044 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,600 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions 1045 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,880 as these episodes continue to move forward. 1046 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,600 This is gonna get more and more fun. 1047 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,400 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 1048 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,520 We'll invite people to participate in the show, 1049 00:45:39,520 --> 00:46:02,520 and thank you for giving us your time and attention.