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This is going to be a phenomenal interview.

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Welcome in.

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I'm trying to make sure that

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entrepreneurs live.

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With Jackson Calame, I'm your show host.

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We'll be doing interviews for visionary

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entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are

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building fantastic visions out there.

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What's up and welcome into vision pros live.

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I'm your show host, Jackson Calame, founder

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and CEO of first class business.

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And, uh, without further ado, let's dive

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into these sponsorships.

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So epiphany, uh, and converge both companies

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of Rick Meekins, fantastic company to work

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with if you're looking for proposals, rather

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if you're looking for help with your

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systems, uh, the architecture of those

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systems and how they relate together and,

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and work together to make sure that you

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are operating at max capacity, um,

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organizing and juggling 30 or more

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employees and contractors.

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And, uh, Rick is a great friend of mine.

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He's also a phenomenal business owner and

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really good at putting together scope of

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works that help, um, small medium sized

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businesses advance their visions further

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and faster.

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Um, able health.us as well.

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Dr. Seth Yates, um, big shout out to him.

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He is a naturopath.

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He's a great friend of mine.

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One thing I don't talk about is his

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musician capabilities.

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He's actually got a band, um, and is

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extremely talented.

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He's one of the most diverse people

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that I've ever met.

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One of those unicorns that seems to be

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able to just be greeted at all the things

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that I've seen him do in life.

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He's has it, has his flaws.

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I haven't seen them yet, but what that

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means for you and I from an able health

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dot us perspective is, um, we've got

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somebody who's got a very good balance

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in terms of how he approaches a healthy

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lifestyle.

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recommends, uh, his approach to exercise

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and nutrition, um, is one that I have

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extreme confidence in and that's why I'm

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grateful to call him one of my greatest

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that I never want to forget talking

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about is the water project, um, and

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giving people the opportunity to invest

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in, um, you know, something that means

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more to, um, other human beings out

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there, uh, that, you know, you can

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change a life because you can save a

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Africa right now, there's a lot of

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villages that don't have access to clean

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access to unsanitary drinking water,

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even just to survive.

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that costs, um, that we don't have to

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asking strongly, uh, look at how much

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you can give, give a dollar.

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the water project, go check it out and

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see, because it is so cool to see the

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transformation of a community take

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sand dam that they're building or the

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borehole, um, water well.

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transformation of these people and

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personalities, their stories and

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understand how much it means to have

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clean drinking water for the first

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organizing weirdo on a distant

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runner and mountain hiker.

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leadership.

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teaching, helping, supporting

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everyone, um, that has a good heart.

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transitioned to teach and coach other

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technical leaders.

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people, whether you're technical or

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not, can benefit tremendously from

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hearing out his concepts and, uh, and

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understanding leadership from a new

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angle. So without further ado, Doug,

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thank you so much for being here and,

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uh, being willing to enlighten us

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with your vision.

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That was a very kind opening.

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You're a kindhearted person.

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two minute prelude, um, before the

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Um, so thanks for, for trusting in my

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team and in the process to be on the

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I'm going to ask before a little bit

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stranger of a question.

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Um, what inspired you to be on vision

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pros?

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opportunity? I think, I mean, not

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only is just kind of the title kind

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of catchy, um, but I think, yeah,

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just getting out your vision and

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sharing it with other people so that

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they can see that their vision might

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not be that strange.

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out that you're, you're not a weirdo.

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love, if you're doing something that

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you're passionate about and you're

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doing something that is helping

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another person.

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the whole vision in your, in your

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title, like that's kind of what I

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try to help people with is see their

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vision and then go work and attack

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to come out and talk and, and share

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that with other people, uh, hopefully

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even just one person hears it and,

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and, and, you know, tackles their

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vision and goes after their stuff.

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Dude, we, we resonate on that

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I see your eyes are on fire too, as

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you talk about this and that, that's

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I guess you can learn so much, um,

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from somebody by, by the way they

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Who should be listening to you?

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leadership and what are they going

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to get out of today's show?

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help, um, that is what really drives

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me is trying to help other folks.

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in me, but if you're struggling, if

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you're going home from work and you're

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just frustrated, um, you're burnt out,

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you're going home and you're not

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spending enough time or focus with

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your family and friends.

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I'm here to help you guys lead.

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I'm also here to help you guys

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understand that, you know, work

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doesn't have to be so stressful.

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You don't have to be burnt out and

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we can, we can do all that stuff.

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what you do.

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individual contributions that you

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headache and that's what I focus on.

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good at your job, but you go home and

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you're frustrated and you just don't

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you're struggling with the people and

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the folks that you work with.

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I focus on how do you build

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personal relationships?

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That's deep.

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Um, any entrepreneur who's, uh, been

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at the game for five plus years understands

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the value of what you just said.

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you pointed out, you know, I've been,

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that they go home, they're stressed out.

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Things are just going crazy.

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That always got me to have a

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people have that experience as well.

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you can burn out because your leader sucks

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life's too short to go home angry all the time.

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Life's too short to, you know, for some reason,

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We don't have to do it with such headaches

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and frustration and you know, that top down

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command and control type of garbage.

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clean out the garbage so people can just

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kind of be happy and peaceful again.

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Nice, man.

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I've been that, I've been that leader who sucks.

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I've been that guy who has the leader who

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sucks too, you know, and there's definitely

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things that we can learn to improve our

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own ability to, to, to level up there.

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So you shared quite a lot about it and what

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you talked about, but is there anything else

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you'd like to add as far as, you know, what's

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your vision for those that you serve directly?

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Maybe what is the point A that they're, they're

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stuck in, stuck at, but more what are some of

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the outcomes B that they'll be, they'll be

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looking at beyond the generic of more time with

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family, more time with friends.

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Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's just about, it's

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just about ease.

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So I kind of go in a different kind of different

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steps of the ladder.

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You know, a lot of folks that you might talk to

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you are entrepreneurs and eventually you would

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hope that they're growing to, you know, six, seven

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figures. And so that would mean that they would

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need a team.

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My vision for you, my vision for other

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entrepreneurs is are you ready to take on that

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team?

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So a lot of solopreneurs, we spend a lot of time

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by ourselves.

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And so we may miss out on some of those

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interactions with people and team building and

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other things like that.

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So are you prepared that when you grow your

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business and you're ready to bring on assistance

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or contractors, or even your first employee, are

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you able and willing to actually work with them

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as a team member?

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Now, if you're in corporate, you know, and

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you're maybe somebody in mid-level management,

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you know, are you actually helping your team grow

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and are you thinking about those folks?

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A lot of times we're growing in corporate and

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that's again a little bit of a selfish thing.

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We're trying to grow that corporate ladder.

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We're trying to push ourselves and compete

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against ourselves.

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But when you're a leader, you have other people's

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lives in your hands.

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Are you embracing that responsibility and are you

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helping them grow?

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Are you helping them be successful?

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Are you helping them go home with some peace and

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quiet so that they can speak to you?

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Are you helping them be quiet so that they can

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spend time with their friends and family?

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And then that third rung is the people who want

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that position.

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I'm here to help you get that position, get more

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money, get more responsibility.

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If that's what you want.

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First, we got to understand if that's what you want.

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There's nothing wrong with being an individual

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contributor, an employee, or just a team member.

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You don't have to be a leader to grow.

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But if you do want to grow, again, do you know the

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responsibility that you're taking on?

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Are you going to understand that?

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At the same time, can we organize and focus you on,

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hey, I've got a group of people that I'm responsible

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for, and so it's not just me.

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It's also them.

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So how can I help them not hate their lives or their

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career?

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And how can I help them actually love their lives

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and better career?

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So kind of taking that on as a three rung, kind of

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three ring circus, if you will.

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Yeah, I got you.

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Absolutely.

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And so how long have you been an entrepreneur, Doug?

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So we're about four and a half now.

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Four and a half.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And how many years did you spend as a technical leader?

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Oh man, I was a technical leader pretty much my whole

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career started out as a project leader.

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You're not 80.

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I mean, maybe you're older than I think, but you

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look pretty young, dude.

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How old are you?

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Thanks.

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41.

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So,

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Oh my gosh, you're lucky.

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So I look 41.

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You look 35.

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Thanks.

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Yeah.

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It's probably all that running and hiking that I

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try to do that.

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I try and just keep things a little bit beautiful.

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Yeah.

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But no, yeah, I was, I mean, I was the project lead

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for the beginning of my career.

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Most of that time, again, you know, you're leading

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people.

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That's how many years though, for project lead,

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tech lead.

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Yeah, about 10, 10.

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And then as a manager, engineering manager, about

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five.

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Yep.

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Awesome.

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What size, what size teams were these?

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Um, so the tech lead, man, there's, it could be

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anything from 10, 12, 20 people, um, all different

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departments, all different backgrounds, all that

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kind of stuff.

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That's kind of where you learn how to really

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handle different people and different, different

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things going on emotionally and culturally and,

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you know, just background stuff.

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And then as an engineer, my, uh, as an engine,

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sorry, as an engineering manager, my biggest team

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got to seven people.

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Yep.

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Seven people.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Awesome.

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And so you're managing that, that team of seven

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people and how long did you work with them for?

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About five years.

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Oh, wow.

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It's the same team for five years.

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I know some, some came and went, um, obviously

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when I got my promotion into that, some, some

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people decided that I wasn't the guy for them

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and that's okay.

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Um, and so then I got to hire on some of some

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other people as well.

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So some of those people, not the whole five years,

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maybe just a year or so, just as I, you know,

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hired them on and brought them on to the team.

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Awesome.

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Well, those, those rich stories that, um, you

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know, if you ever wrote it, write a book like

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Dr.

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Peter Drucker or somebody like that, you know,

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it's, it's those nuances of stories, um, that,

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that really pull back the curtain on, on the

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application of the principles that you're

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teaching.

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So, um, I'd love to ask you, what is your

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worst business experience ever?

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My worst business experience, as in like

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entrepreneurship experience, business

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experience, entrepreneurship, you feel

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free to take that the way you want to.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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No, uh, my worst experience was my last

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experience in corporate America.

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So what really drove me into entrepreneurship

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and drove me into this.

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So, um, I mean, it was the worst culture I've

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ever been around.

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Um, it was just, it was absolutely

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hellacious.

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Um, you're going to name names?

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What culture?

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Go ahead.

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I mean, a little, a little, um, detective

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work and you might be able to figure it out,

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but I'm not going to name names.

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I'm not going to name names again.

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But, um, no, that's kind of what drove me

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into, into this, but it was, it was, it was,

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it was hell for me.

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Now I say that because I also talk about this

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in my leadership stuff is, you know,

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cultures are dependent on who you are too.

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So some people love that culture.

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Some people thought that that was the

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greatest thing ever.

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And for me and other people, we thought

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that that was just the worst thing we

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could have ever experienced.

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And that drove me to, yeah.

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And that drove me to the culture or that

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drove me to the entrepreneurship side,

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which was helping people.

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So I had to learn, I had to figure it all

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out and basically for myself, because the

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culture was that way.

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So, um, you know, before that,

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everything was great.

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You know, I was good teams.

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Everybody worked together.

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Everybody was doing that stuff.

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So I had all those skills in a good environment,

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but then, wow, and we go into a

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hellacious environment.

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You've got a lot of stuff that you got to learn.

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Unfortunately, I didn't have the mentorship.

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And even though I asked part of the

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hellacious culture is we're not going to

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give you any of this mentorship.

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So I had to do kind of do it all on my own.

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With that being said, I also had to, I

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didn't have to, but I offered up to help

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other people.

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Why?

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Because they were asking me for help.

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They were in the same situation.

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Things were going crazy.

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Things were bad.

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And I guess they saw me being successful.

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So, Hey, let's ask Doug and see what,

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what can happen and, and let's work

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together and hopefully he can help mentor me.

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So that's kind of where the business

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got its start in its feet, which was just me

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with my coworkers.

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Just helping them understand what was

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going on with other people, other departments.

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And once I had enough of the, of the, the

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culture, once that manager just, you know,

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kind of got me to the point where it was

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time to leave as a nice way of putting it.

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That's when I left.

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And that's when, you know, all of Acclaim

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Summit and all of my coaching and

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mentorship started was when I just, you

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know, was when I just couldn't take it

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anymore, which obviously, you know, it

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was kind of the universe telling you

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like, Hey, Doug, you know, you know, that

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idea of you got, you know, a noodle

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around in your brain, it's time to go

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give that a try.

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And so I finally listened and that's

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where the rest of the history.

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So interesting, man.

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How many entrepreneurs I've heard

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stories about watch documentaries or

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interviewed that, that their worst

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experience ends up being what propels

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their best like accomplishment or next

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step or their focus.

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It is so strange how life does that

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consistently with people.

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So you brought up something that I

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want to just highlight for anybody who's

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listening right now.

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And that is there's a difference in

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now and not realizing that you are the

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problem, right?

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With the cultural fit and recognizing

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that there are certain cultures that

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you don't belong in.

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One, for instance, for me is Apple.

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I would love to be part of a culture

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like Apple.

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And at the same time, I freaking

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hate their products.

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Like what a passion.

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And so like, I cannot get their

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00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:50,120
darn products to work.

548
00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:50,400
Right.

549
00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,240
And I get it.

550
00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,080
And a lot of people are going to hate

551
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,880
me for that, but like I wouldn't feel

552
00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,280
well there because I'm just, I would

553
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,760
be a negative man and that's not who

554
00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:58,400
I am either.

555
00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:58,840
Right.

556
00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,440
But then there's something like you

557
00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:01,640
go to the mall and there's that store

558
00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,280
that Spencer's, you know, like, I like

559
00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,840
to go in there once in a while, peek

560
00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,240
around, but I last about 30 seconds

561
00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:10,480
before I feel uncomfortable.

562
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:11,800
It's just not my store.

563
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:12,680
Like it's not my vibe.

564
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:13,240
I don't like it.

565
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:13,760
I get it.

566
00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,840
But I, I enjoy like going in and

567
00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,560
seeing it, but to work in that dark

568
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,120
room with all of that hoarding stuff

569
00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:22,440
around you, like, so it feels like a

570
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,160
hoarders paradise.

571
00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,840
I mean, so that's not where I want

572
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:27,560
to work.

573
00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,880
I wouldn't fit in well there.

574
00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,640
Be a horrible team member.

575
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,520
So you have to evaluate the

576
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:33,920
environments that you want to be a

577
00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,680
part of as part of the opportunity

578
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,280
to realize that there's environments

579
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:38,880
where you're going to be a great

580
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:39,240
leader.

581
00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,280
There's an environment too, where

582
00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,240
you may be an awful leader, as

583
00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,520
would I, and both of those.

584
00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,840
So moving forward to your best

585
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,120
experience, what's your best

586
00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:49,920
experience ever in business or

587
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:50,880
leadership or both?

588
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:55,000
I don't know.

589
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:55,600
I don't know.

590
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,560
Cause I don't know if I've gotten

591
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:56,920
there yet.

592
00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:58,560
Let's put it, let's say that

593
00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,160
what's your best one so far.

594
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,280
So you can, you can slow down.

595
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:01,640
That's all right.

596
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:02,760
You can think about it.

597
00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,920
So this could be something, you

598
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,800
know, while you were interning,

599
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,280
even let alone being a leader, it

600
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,040
could be something you learned

601
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,000
from a mentor, but something that

602
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,600
just got you like jazzed and you

603
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,360
were like, wow, this is what I

604
00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,880
want work in life to feel or be

605
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:18,240
like.

606
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,160
Yeah.

607
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,600
I mean, right now I'm just, I'm

608
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,360
loving life now, like helping the

609
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:24,240
people that I'm helping.

610
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,240
Um, so that's kind of why it's

611
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:26,520
hard.

612
00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,160
Like I'm also looking back into

613
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,720
the history of my career and the

614
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,800
different things like that to see

615
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,000
if something triggered me to go

616
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:33,640
this direction.

617
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,760
But I think it's this direction.

618
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,800
So, I mean, maybe it's, maybe it

619
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,000
was the whole Asia's culture.

620
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,640
That was also my best experience.

621
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:42,360
Funny, funny.

622
00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:44,040
Well, you said now I like the

623
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,600
presence that if I, you know, how

624
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,000
to drink it, cheers, brother.

625
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,880
Like that's, you know, that's,

626
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,360
uh, that's the place where we

627
00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:51,920
would all love to be at all times

628
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:52,440
of life.

629
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,320
Um, you know, and it's not always

630
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,040
possible, but enjoy it while

631
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:56,640
you're in the moment.

632
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,320
So what makes it so special right

633
00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:58,600
now?

634
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,680
Because I get to help people.

635
00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:02,600
Um, I do.

636
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,200
I just, I really appreciate

637
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,440
seeing that weight lifted off of

638
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:08,400
people's shoulders.

639
00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:10,360
Um, you know, from, from my

640
00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:11,840
physics background, I mean, I

641
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,320
know a lot about weight and

642
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,400
friction and pressure and forces

643
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,440
and all that kind of stuff from

644
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:16,800
physics.

645
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,320
You talk about the weight being

646
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,960
lifted off these people's

647
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:20,360
shoulders.

648
00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:21,440
Tell me, tell me a little bit

649
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,760
more about that in depth.

650
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,200
Like what, what weight is it that

651
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,720
you've seen come off people's

652
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,240
shoulders?

653
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,800
What are some examples of that

654
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:29,600
without naming their names?

655
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,440
Of course, you know, Oh, Betty's

656
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,280
not sick of Sue anymore, but you

657
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,240
know, I have to go that deep,

658
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,840
but what are some of these

659
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,520
things that, that, that is a

660
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,800
weight coming off their shoulders?

661
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,480
No, I mean, that's, that's the

662
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,240
one that, that triggers a great,

663
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,760
um, you know, kind of customer

664
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,960
success story, if you will, is

665
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,880
working with one of my, one of my

666
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,400
very first student clients who

667
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,440
wanted a better relationship with

668
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,880
their manager and just couldn't

669
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,560
understand him.

670
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,080
Like he, he, he, she liked his,

671
00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,880
liked him as his, as her manager.

672
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,720
She liked him as a coworker was

673
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,280
really appreciative of it, but she

674
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,280
knew she was in the wrong kind of

675
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,320
area in her career.

676
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,960
She was also taking some, um,

677
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,080
after, after work courses at the

678
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,800
local, you know, community college

679
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,040
to grow her career and skillset.

680
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,040
Um, and she didn't know how to

681
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,000
transition what she was learning

682
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,640
with what her aspirations and goals

683
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,760
were with her job and her career

684
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,400
with this leader and manager that

685
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,640
was, you know, this person over

686
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,840
here again, really liked the

687
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:33,960
manager, but just didn't know how

688
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,760
to communicate with him.

689
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,360
Didn't know how to get help out of

690
00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:36,640
him.

691
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,520
Didn't know, didn't have the

692
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,920
confidence necessarily to, you

693
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,560
know, tell him stuff that, you

694
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,920
know, she might've been afraid to

695
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,760
say, because that might've hurt

696
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,040
the relationship or might've hurt

697
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:47,560
her career.

698
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,280
So we worked a lot on that.

699
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,400
Um, we got her vision together,

700
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,320
um, put that down on a piece of

701
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,120
paper so she could reference it

702
00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:56,680
and look at it.

703
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,960
We talked about how and what she

704
00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:01,440
could look at from the man, her

705
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,360
manager standpoint so that she

706
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,240
could get little clues as to how

707
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,680
he behaves and what his character

708
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,200
is like and what he's interested

709
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,920
in, um, to kind of start those

710
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,560
conversations and, and ease into

711
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,720
how you might make a difficult

712
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:17,360
conversation.

713
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,400
How you might make a difficult,

714
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:20,520
um, suggestion.

715
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,680
Uh, long, long story short, she

716
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,720
opened up to this manager.

717
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,160
The relationship grew.

718
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,720
Um, and he actually helped her,

719
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,560
um, get into another position

720
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,880
within the company because of her

721
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,200
educational background and all

722
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,160
the stuff that she started

723
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:37,880
sharing with him.

724
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,560
Like he was now going in the

725
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,920
background and talking to his,

726
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,480
his peers at his levels and

727
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,720
saying, Hey, what's opening up?

728
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,480
What, what can she fit into?

729
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,400
She's a great, um, employee,

730
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,000
obviously all these kinds of

731
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,080
conversations were going on.

732
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,560
Had she not opened up, had she

733
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,080
not shared that this was her

734
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,560
goal and this was her vision for

735
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,760
her career, like she would have

736
00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,960
either had to quit and find a new

737
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,280
job or she would have to, she

738
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,160
stayed in the company.

739
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,880
She was able to move with the

740
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,760
company and she lives in another

741
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,400
country now.

742
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,800
So she's exploring the world and

743
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,600
all that kind of stuff while

744
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,280
keeping her job through the

745
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,000
pandemic and all the other crazy

746
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:12,920
stuff that was going on.

747
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,040
So like just having that fear

748
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,080
was okay.

749
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,000
She got help and she started

750
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,400
talking to her, her manager in a

751
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,560
very positive way.

752
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,720
And that, you know, lo and

753
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,480
behold, it just led to a very

754
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,000
positive path for her career and

755
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,360
her life.

756
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,320
So just that, that was that you,

757
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,520
you triggered that memory and

758
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,400
that one, that one's a good one.

759
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,080
I like that one.

760
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,000
Brother, you have no idea how

761
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,280
relevant your story was to first

762
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,360
class business.

763
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,920
A couple of our client

764
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,280
opportunities right now and, and

765
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,520
just opportunities for growth.

766
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,400
We, we've been talking about this

767
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,440
exact type of scenario regarding

768
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,880
several different team members

769
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,560
and, and there are, you know, our

770
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,920
opportunity to influence them as,

771
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,480
as said manager, but also our

772
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,280
opportunity for them, the

773
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,040
opportunity for them to learn to

774
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:07,840
express the same thing.

775
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,480
So that was super powerful and

776
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,320
relevant for us.

777
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,680
Doug, if, if you were to look at

778
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,080
the world of businesses out there,

779
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,760
leaders out there, et cetera, and

780
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,440
kind of pinpoint the ideal

781
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,960
scenario you would go into.

782
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,040
And so when I say ideal scenario,

783
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,480
I'm talking about a client that

784
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,040
has an unideal scenario, right?

785
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,400
There, there, or, or it's client

786
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,000
that needs some leadership help.

787
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,560
They want the leadership help.

788
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:36,920
Maybe they're desperate for it.

789
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,040
I don't know what that ideal

790
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,000
scenario looks like for you.

791
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,040
You know, if you're a firefighter

792
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,400
who goes in and fixes things, or if

793
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,360
you're more like a therapist that

794
00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:43,640
deals with people after the fire

795
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,920
happens, right?

796
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,840
There's lots of different angles

797
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:47,560
of leadership.

798
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,040
If you can have a magic wand that

799
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,760
gave you any clients or any

800
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,080
scenario like that, what would

801
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,360
that scenario be like?

802
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:57,640
I shouldn't say magic wand, say

803
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,480
like superhero cape, right?

804
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,120
You're Superman.

805
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,040
You show up at the right time and

806
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,000
the right place for the right

807
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,400
people.

808
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:05,240
What does that environment look

809
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:05,560
like?

810
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,440
Is it one person?

811
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,200
Is it a hundred people?

812
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,400
Is it a department?

813
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,600
Is it a brand?

814
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:15,240
Yeah.

815
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,480
I like the interactions between

816
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,040
people.

817
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,440
I think that's probably comes from

818
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,880
my background as the project

819
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,080
engineer and the project lead

820
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,000
where I know what's going on in

821
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,600
manufacturing and then qualities

822
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,440
over here and supply chain has an

823
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,440
issue and they all intertwine on

824
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,680
this weird spider web of, of

825
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,800
craziness.

826
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,560
And so when it, when you ask that

827
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,160
question, yeah, I think the ideal

828
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,320
thing is probably a department

829
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,360
that, or, or a business.

830
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:46,760
I prefer the smaller businesses

831
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,840
like the huge, you know, thousands

832
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,760
of thousands of people that, that

833
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,200
would not be ideal, but you know,

834
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,320
smaller businesses, 200 tops

835
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,160
where we're really working on how

836
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,880
those interactions work so that we

837
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,000
can see them in real time.

838
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:03,800
One of the big things that I

839
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,920
really focus on is practice and how

840
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,120
people can practice leadership

841
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:09,320
skills, which is, which is

842
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,920
something that is very tricky.

843
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,280
And most people then kind of

844
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,520
ignore or they don't do, but when

845
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,520
you can work with different

846
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,960
departments or even within a

847
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,680
department, you can now see how

848
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,560
skills you're learning can now

849
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,920
start to work because you now

850
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,480
have examples of where, okay.

851
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,560
So we worked on maybe a conflict

852
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,200
resolution issue and we have a

853
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,120
real life example between employee

854
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:35,000
A and employee B.

855
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,280
So now we can see that actually

856
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,280
resolved and how that relationship

857
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:38,780
got better.

858
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,960
I love working with individuals,

859
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,440
but you know, if you ask me ideal,

860
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,920
I also, I like being able to see

861
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,240
and show how, how all of this is

862
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,360
working and how all of it is

863
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:51,320
playing out.

864
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,360
It's much more powerful.

865
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,440
Again, we go back to that weight

866
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,640
being lifted off of people's

867
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,920
shoulders and that's kind of when

868
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,360
it, when it happens is when they

869
00:26:58,360 --> 00:26:59,080
actually see it.

870
00:26:59,640 --> 00:26:59,960
Wow.

871
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,240
That thing that we, Doug and I

872
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,840
talked about last week that

873
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,520
happened and here, here it goes.

874
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,560
And it's like, okay.

875
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,840
And so seeing the interactions

876
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,440
is kind of more or less my ideal.

877
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,720
So I love it.

878
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,880
It's a, it's a dynamic interactive

879
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,840
approach to leadership.

880
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,200
Right.

881
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,280
And so not that you couldn't help

882
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,680
somebody with a one-on-one, but

883
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,120
it's just a different, it's a

884
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,520
different style of providing

885
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:31,000
solutions that allows you to, like

886
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:31,960
you said, to work with multiple

887
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,520
people at once.

888
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,280
So anybody with 200 people or

889
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,800
less in their, in their company,

890
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,120
it would be a great idea to bring

891
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:38,440
you in.

892
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,400
And do you do workshops with

893
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:41,880
people?

894
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,720
Do you go on site?

895
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,800
Is this all virtual or, and do

896
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,560
you provide lesson materials?

897
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,520
What's the, what does it look

898
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,240
like to work with you?

899
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:52,600
Yes.

900
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:54,120
All of you.

901
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:55,740
Good answer.

902
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,160
A lot of, a lot of what we do is

903
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,280
we start out by really

904
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,720
understanding what, what your

905
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,320
problems are, what the company's

906
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,080
problems are, or the individual's

907
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,520
issues are, or at least what they

908
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,120
think it is from there.

909
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:09,720
Then we can kind of tailor.

910
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,220
Well said.

911
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,600
We often think we know the

912
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,200
problem, but we have no idea.

913
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:15,560
That's right.

914
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,080
And so we can then tailor it.

915
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,000
So if to your point, like, do

916
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,280
they want me to come in?

917
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,360
Do they want me to, is it okay if

918
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:23,720
we just do it virtually?

919
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,080
Is it, do you want me to just

920
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,120
work with one-on-one?

921
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:27,480
Do you want me to come in and

922
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,960
work on a very broad topic?

923
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,160
So then I could teach and I do

924
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,920
have materials on certain topics

925
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,880
that we teach.

926
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,840
So I do have that.

927
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,840
And then from there, because, you

928
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,440
know, a department or a team is

929
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,040
all on the same page, I can

930
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,120
branch off with individuals and

931
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,960
work with them more specifically.

932
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,480
And that's kind of usually what,

933
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,080
what, how I've done it in the

934
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,560
past is I go into a smaller group

935
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,520
or a team.

936
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,920
We kind of do a more textbook

937
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:53,720
type of training.

938
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,960
So everybody has terminology and

939
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,880
just, you know, descriptions and

940
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,920
definitions.

941
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,440
And then when, because I worked

942
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,040
with maybe upper management or

943
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,040
their leadership, they have like

944
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,640
these two people, they're kind of

945
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,760
on that track for leadership.

946
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,960
We'd really like you to kind of go

947
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,320
one-on-one with them.

948
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,160
And so then I do go one-on-one with

949
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,600
those people that we kind of pick

950
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,040
out.

951
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,880
But because again, we have a whole

952
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,400
team that's now on the same page

953
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,160
with, you know, the certain topics

954
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,440
that, you know, Doug shared.

955
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,000
That helps support these guys as

956
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
well, these individuals, because now

957
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,120
everybody knows what they're trying

958
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:26,840
to do.

959
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,720
They know what they're talking

960
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,840
about.

961
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,280
And so they can all support each

962
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,120
other as everyone grows.

963
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,040
Excellent.

964
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,360
Now, do you find that is there a

965
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,400
point of no return?

966
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,200
And what I mean by that, right?

967
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,440
You got a company, they got 200

968
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,800
employees, they got a department

969
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,720
that's got 20 to 30 people in it.

970
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,600
And things are so miserable,

971
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,400
right? Or so awful that you

972
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,720
would, I wouldn't say just like

973
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,080
turn them down, but say like, hey,

974
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,640
guys, like these are the symptoms

975
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,080
of it's too far gone.

976
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,560
For me, and you know, you should

977
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,480
seek out this or you go into

978
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,440
crisis management mode and pep

979
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,440
talk rally and say, we got this,

980
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,800
like we can we can fix it.

981
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,600
What does teach us about that?

982
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,160
What would you do?

983
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,000
I mean, I have walked away from

984
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,240
from one client, same type of

985
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,640
thing.

986
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,440
It was just too much.

987
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,200
This is kind of goes back to where

988
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,240
we talked about, you know, each

989
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,920
culture is their own.

990
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,240
So I think one of the reasons I

991
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,600
walked away was because that

992
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,120
culture was its own and it wasn't

993
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,880
going to be anything that I was

994
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,480
teaching or that I was sharing.

995
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,640
So they had their they had their

996
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,120
thing.

997
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,240
They they kind of knew their

998
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,760
thing. And so that's kind of what

999
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,440
I would that's not what I would.

1000
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,600
That's what I did, which was talk

1001
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,800
to them and share with them that,

1002
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,840
hey, here's your culture.

1003
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,120
Here's what's going on.

1004
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,960
And here's what I teach.

1005
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,200
And you guys see how this is so

1006
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,520
different. And so, you know, that

1007
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,440
that Canyon is so great between

1008
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:52,920
us.

1009
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,760
Now, with that being said, I do

1010
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,040
have a lot of contacts with other

1011
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,560
leadership coaches and

1012
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,160
networking and whatnot.

1013
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,360
So I did offer up a few other

1014
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,560
folks that they could talk to who

1015
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,080
dealt a little bit more with what

1016
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,280
was going on in their in their in

1017
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,000
their environment.

1018
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,560
So you don't have an alligator

1019
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,080
hatch where you just let them fall

1020
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,240
through and fall apart.

1021
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,600
You got people that you can

1022
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,640
reference them to.

1023
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,720
OK, so it would be very on

1024
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,480
leadership of me if I just if I

1025
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,040
just threw them off and it's

1026
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,520
common.

1027
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,040
I'm sorry we don't provide that

1028
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,120
service here. I mean, it happens.

1029
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,720
But all right.

1030
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,960
So what are some of the symptoms

1031
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,560
of a team that that should be

1032
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,280
concerned?

1033
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,760
I mean, I know that the team is

1034
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,120
not trending in the right

1035
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,720
direction and they need some

1036
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,080
intervention sooner than later.

1037
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,640
Yeah. So the first thing is, you

1038
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,760
know, are they communicating?

1039
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,080
Right. I mean, remember, these

1040
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:47,880
are just human beings.

1041
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,320
So it's a lot of just relationship

1042
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:49,720
stuff.

1043
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,240
So are your folks talking to one

1044
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:51,720
another?

1045
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,560
And, you know, are they are they

1046
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,320
jovial? Are they actually talking

1047
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,000
or, you know, is it very just

1048
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,160
sharp and like, hey, I wrote an

1049
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,600
email. It was three sentences

1050
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,320
long.

1051
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,560
I got my point across and now I'm

1052
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,640
waiting for you to get back to me.

1053
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,480
So there's a lot in the

1054
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,920
communication that you're looking

1055
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,800
for.

1056
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,840
So if they're not talking to each

1057
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,960
other, that's a great indicator.

1058
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,200
If they're siloing, so either

1059
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,280
their departments are siloing or

1060
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,960
just individuals are siloing,

1061
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,240
which basically means that they're

1062
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,280
kind of just working by

1063
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,520
themselves and more of the

1064
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,600
communication is grunts and nods

1065
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,080
as opposed to actual words and

1066
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,800
communication.

1067
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,360
It's a little joking there, but

1068
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,920
Yeah, I'm ready to grunt.

1069
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,000
Like, do I grunt? Do I not?

1070
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,080
But so that's that's going to be

1071
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,120
one of the main kind of red flags

1072
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:46,920
that you'll see, like, hey,

1073
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,200
something's going on here.

1074
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,760
The culture is kind of headed in

1075
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:51,640
the wrong direction.

1076
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,240
And then another thing, too, is

1077
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,320
are you guys addressing problems

1078
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,040
and not just sugar coating them

1079
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,560
and not just kind of saying you're

1080
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,760
addressing them, but actually

1081
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:01,400
addressing them.

1082
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,560
And if you guys kind of take an

1083
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,040
audit of yourself and you know,

1084
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,480
you say, OK, yeah, we're listening

1085
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,480
to problems and we're, you know,

1086
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,120
we're telling them we're

1087
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:10,680
addressing them.

1088
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,040
But you know, Doug, we're right.

1089
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,480
We're not actually solving these

1090
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,040
problems.

1091
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,240
That is a good indicator that

1092
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,960
your management style is going to

1093
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:20,920
be very discreet.

1094
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:21,720
You're going to be very

1095
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,120
disconnected from your ICs,

1096
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,480
your individual contributors

1097
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,160
or your teammates, because your

1098
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,040
teammates are going to see the

1099
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,080
problems that are living with the

1100
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,120
problems all the time.

1101
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,880
And if management isn't tackling

1102
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,560
the problems, now you're growing

1103
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,600
that that void larger and larger

1104
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,800
because they're expecting you to

1105
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,400
solve the problems and you're not

1106
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,600
expect you're not solving the

1107
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,160
problems.

1108
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,600
So if you can take a little self

1109
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,880
audit and be really honest with

1110
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,480
yourself, if you really are

1111
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,840
solving a lot of those problems,

1112
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,120
because I think that's part of

1113
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,480
that's one of the things I see a

1114
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,840
lot of is we get really busy and

1115
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,280
we're trying to get more clients

1116
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,400
and we're getting more customers

1117
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,600
and we're trying to solve their

1118
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,160
problems.

1119
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,640
And internally, we have we we

1120
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,760
will always have problems.

1121
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,200
It's a machine like you always

1122
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,080
have to have preventative

1123
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:01,800
maintenance, right?

1124
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,320
You always have to

1125
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,000
your willingness to bridge the

1126
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,760
gap right now and say like, yeah,

1127
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,120
just do that self assessment at

1128
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,840
the same time.

1129
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,600
Like, no, Doug, like people need

1130
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,160
to call you because I'm serious.

1131
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,680
I'm serious about that.

1132
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,280
You know, that's what doctors

1133
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,960
should not be their own doctors.

1134
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,040
That's not healthy.

1135
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,000
That's not a good thing.

1136
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,880
You know, and so that's where

1137
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,240
if you're experiencing those

1138
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:26,840
types of things and then I would

1139
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,960
recommend turning to somebody

1140
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,120
like Doug and saying, hey, man,

1141
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,800
you take a look at this, too.

1142
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,320
I mean, just tell him, no, if you

1143
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,840
don't want to hire him, but at

1144
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,200
least let him look at things.

1145
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,680
And I'm grateful that you didn't

1146
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,200
turn to what I know a lot of more

1147
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,800
established leaders.

1148
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,680
When I say more established,

1149
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,880
bro, I'm talking like 20, 30

1150
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:44,600
years more than you.

1151
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,200
But these these they'll quickly

1152
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,680
be like, we have this robotic

1153
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,080
assessment to help us get to know

1154
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,600
personally the problems that are

1155
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,080
going on.

1156
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,120
And maybe you do that, too.

1157
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,720
And there's a there's a point of

1158
00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:58,440
assessments.

1159
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,040
But I see so many leadership

1160
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,480
gurus turn to these assessments,

1161
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,320
whether it's disc or Myers-Briggs,

1162
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,200
et cetera.

1163
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,160
I love them.

1164
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,120
They're phenomenal.

1165
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,760
They're great.

1166
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,560
But they have to be administered

1167
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,720
with a human touch and they have

1168
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,800
to be appreciated, comprehended

1169
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,680
and internalized, utilized, applied

1170
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,360
in order for them to actually work.

1171
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,840
And that's my my humble opinion,

1172
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,080
I guess.

1173
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,840
So I got off my my story, but you

1174
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:27,560
didn't do that.

1175
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,240
You talked about actually like

1176
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,600
using your eyes and ears and not

1177
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,240
the AI for once to to solve some

1178
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,040
of these problems.

1179
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,200
So would you use assessments to

1180
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,320
it to some degree or do you have a

1181
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,920
preferred one that you turn to as

1182
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,880
part of the process?

1183
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,560
I do like assessments.

1184
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,840
Part of what I teach actually comes

1185
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,680
off of the assessments, but I will

1186
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,240
agree with you.

1187
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:50,040
I also hate them.

1188
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,960
And the reason is is is because we

1189
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,320
just use them as assessments.

1190
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,800
I think 18 to 24 years of school

1191
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,240
has taught us that if we take a

1192
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:02,760
test and we get a grade, that's our

1193
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,080
grade.

1194
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,240
Like I got an A in math.

1195
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Fantastic.

1196
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,840
What I like to teach is what do you

1197
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,880
do with that A in math?

1198
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,040
And that's the same thing with

1199
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,400
these assessments like disc and

1200
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,200
Myers-Briggs.

1201
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,720
We get so excited that we get

1202
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,800
these four letter little labels and

1203
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,920
we go around and we tell our

1204
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,320
buddies that, you know, or this or

1205
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,240
that that we forget that these

1206
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:24,520
things are what actually can help

1207
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,800
us interact with other people.

1208
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,680
And so that's what I use the

1209
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,280
assessments for is when you

1210
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,880
realize that you have somebody over

1211
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,240
here who's an INTJ.

1212
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,720
I don't remember all the assessments.

1213
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:38,520
I thank you.

1214
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,080
I don't either.

1215
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:39,800
I'll own it.

1216
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,080
I'll own it for you too, dude.

1217
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,360
Like I know they're important and

1218
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,880
valuable, but knowing when people

1219
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,920
condescend to you because they're

1220
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,440
like, you don't remember your

1221
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,640
Myers-Briggs stuff and you're a

1222
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:47,960
leader.

1223
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,400
And I'm like, I love you.

1224
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,600
Thank you for kind of sending at

1225
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,360
me and we can still get along.

1226
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:52,760
Right.

1227
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,160
Irony.

1228
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,880
But that's the point is I don't

1229
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,160
know the assessments.

1230
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,840
I know what to do with them.

1231
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,000
Like, so if this person is showing

1232
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,520
off these characteristics or these

1233
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,440
behaviors, here's the behavior I'm

1234
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,600
going to use with them to get more

1235
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,280
energy out of them, to get them

1236
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,080
driven, to have them be feel more

1237
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,600
excited to come to work.

1238
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,280
I don't care what your little

1239
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:14,920
label is.

1240
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,760
What I care about is how do I drive

1241
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,000
you?

1242
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,520
And so just, yes, I appreciate the

1243
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,000
assessments.

1244
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,440
Dude, you got me crying golden

1245
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,880
tears if you can't see it here.

1246
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:25,160
That's awesome.

1247
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:25,800
That's awesome.

1248
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:26,200
So that's why.

1249
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,880
And that's proof, by the way, that

1250
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,880
our earth does actually move

1251
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,800
because I've got a specific

1252
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,200
barrier right where the ding sun

1253
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,040
used to come onto my face at this

1254
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,000
time of the day.

1255
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,120
And it's no longer working.

1256
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,720
So like, yes, anyway, you space

1257
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,000
nuts out there who know how the

1258
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,600
whole universe thing works.

1259
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,640
I can help.

1260
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,840
I'm going to have to tape the whole

1261
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:47,560
thing, I guess.

1262
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,200
All right.

1263
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,240
Sorry about that, Doug.

1264
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,440
I'm just really annoying.

1265
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,080
This sounds right.

1266
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,600
But yeah, just going back, which

1267
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,200
was, you know, do I do an

1268
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:54,600
assessment?

1269
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Do I do this?

1270
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:55,960
Do I do that?

1271
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,240
No, because it takes a personal

1272
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:58,040
touch.

1273
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,800
So ultimately, long story short, it

1274
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,920
takes a personal touch.

1275
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,360
And because of that, I do like to get

1276
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:02,920
involved.

1277
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,120
I do like to ask questions.

1278
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,520
I do like to have a conversation

1279
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,680
with with folks in the team because

1280
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,440
it's more than just it's more than

1281
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,040
just your A in math class or your

1282
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,160
INTJF initials and stuff like that.

1283
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,200
So so quick, quick favorite.

1284
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,320
If you had to name one, which one

1285
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,840
would it be assessment?

1286
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:22,600
Ocean.

1287
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,240
OCEAN.

1288
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:26,280
Yeah, that one's a little bit

1289
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:26,760
better than.

1290
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:27,800
Yeah.

1291
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,280
Yeah.

1292
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,320
I was like, wait, that's how you

1293
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:29,640
spell it.

1294
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,040
But you're right.

1295
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:30,920
People don't know how to spell

1296
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,240
Ocean.

1297
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,120
So that's fair.

1298
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Ocean.

1299
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:34,920
All right.

1300
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,200
Well, and sometimes those things

1301
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,720
can have like a word, but then

1302
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,080
they're not all spelled the same

1303
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:39,320
way.

1304
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Right.

1305
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,120
Right.

1306
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,600
Exactly.

1307
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,160
That's true, too.

1308
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:41,640
Yeah.

1309
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,960
What I said only applies to the

1310
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:44,600
grammar folks.

1311
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:45,960
So all right.

1312
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:46,200
Cool.

1313
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,840
What powerful lesson can other

1314
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,440
visionaries learn from your

1315
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,000
experience?

1316
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,480
Return back to your vision.

1317
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,440
What once once you, you know, you

1318
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,440
go through the practice, right?

1319
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,240
And there's tons of those

1320
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:10,680
practices out there, too, is how

1321
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,120
to get your vision, how to

1322
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,040
understand what you want to try

1323
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,000
to accomplish in life.

1324
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,800
When you start to dive into it,

1325
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,560
it gets it gets messy.

1326
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,520
It gets a little bit dirty.

1327
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,800
It gets crazy.

1328
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,920
Come back to it every so often

1329
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:25,560
and review it.

1330
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,960
Make sure you're still on the

1331
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:28,520
right path.

1332
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,840
You know, well, it's huge.

1333
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,640
Yeah, huge.

1334
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,040
You're not you mentioned it, you

1335
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,240
know, because if you're you have

1336
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,640
your vision, but then you have to

1337
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,480
build it or you have to take the

1338
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,760
journey to get there.

1339
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,240
Right.

1340
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:44,680
And that means being in the

1341
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,880
present and you can forget about

1342
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,720
the direction or the reality of

1343
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,720
what you're building when you get

1344
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,240
lost in the mundane details.

1345
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,560
Super wise words.

1346
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,200
You also find the, you know,

1347
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,600
the shiny object syndrome where,

1348
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,800
oh, this is really cool.

1349
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,880
And so it's kind of like what I

1350
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,440
was thinking.

1351
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,320
And so I'm going to go this

1352
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:05,800
direction.

1353
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,960
And then you forget like that you

1354
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,400
kind of got taken so far off the

1355
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,280
path that you forgot.

1356
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,120
Like, hey, I was like this was

1357
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,400
what actually was driving me.

1358
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,640
So go back and review your vision

1359
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,440
every once in a while.

1360
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,600
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

1361
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,960
I think it's very important to do

1362
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,160
regularly.

1363
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,360
So well said.

1364
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:22,840
All right, man.

1365
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,160
Well, Doug, is there anything else

1366
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,200
that you'd like to share?

1367
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Is there a place where people can

1368
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,360
connect with you best?

1369
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,960
And is there you have a resource

1370
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:32,920
that you'd like to direct people

1371
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:33,240
towards?

1372
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,400
Yeah, sure.

1373
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,360
I spend a lot of time on LinkedIn.

1374
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,200
So you guys can always find me on

1375
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:40,700
LinkedIn.

1376
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,040
I'm trying to get more and more

1377
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:44,760
into YouTube.

1378
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,520
I think a lot of the visualizations

1379
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,680
and sharing myself there.

1380
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,520
So hit up my YouTube channel as

1381
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:52,760
well.

1382
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,880
It's just getting started.

1383
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,880
So you can find me both on LinkedIn

1384
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,120
and on YouTube with my name.

1385
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,720
It looks like here that we have my

1386
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,760
website up that will get you to a

1387
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,760
lot of the free training,

1388
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,120
the way to work with me.

1389
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,680
And then my blog so that you can

1390
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,280
kind of get my ideas on leadership

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focused on cognitive readiness.

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And then another leadership buddy

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of mine and I are on YouTube under

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UGH leadership, UGH.

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And we're kind of putting together a

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little bit of a podcast where we're

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ripping apart some posts and social

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media stuff that we think are kind of

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funny.

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But leadership is a little tricky

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because it's a little bit deeper

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than just a nice quote on the

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LinkedIn page.

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And so we kind of take some other

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people's posts and we kind of dissect

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them and say why they're good or why

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they could use a little bit of help.

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So if you guys want a little,

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if you guys think some of those posts

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out there could use a little help,

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we do too.

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And so if you want to join us on UGH

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leadership, we'd love to see you over

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there too.

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Oh, interesting and fun.

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Is that an acronym or is that just the

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sound of...

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Just the sound, the UGH.

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UGH.

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YouTube, I love it.

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That's like the opposite of Charisma

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On Command, which is one of my favorite

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YouTube channels out there.

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They're so good at dissecting and

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showing how people are charismatic and

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when certain people fall apart, there's

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00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,280
a certain Avenger they like to pick on,

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by the way.

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But I digress.

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UGH on YouTube.

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How many videos do you have on there

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right now?

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00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,320
Oh, man, we just started that one too.

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So we might only have like a dozen or

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so.

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So sweet.

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We can binge it.

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Yes.

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Awesome.

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Binge worthy.

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Go see what he's up to over there.

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00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,280
And yeah, it's always helpful to learn

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from the experience of others and

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00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,360
especially with a leader who's looking

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00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,720
at that for the sake of having a little

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00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,200
bit of fun, but also providing some

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00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,840
value to help you not fall into the

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00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,600
same pit holes and traps.

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Is this it?

1450
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That's it.

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00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,320
Oh, I like it.

1452
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,200
I love the videos.

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00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:00,920
Man, that was great.

1454
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,720
Thank you.

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00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:03,960
Cool, dude.

1456
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,600
That's awesome.

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00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,840
Well, best wishes on the YouTube

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exploration.

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I hope we get to go to VidCon together

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in the future.

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00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,720
It's one of those YouTube.

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00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:18,200
It's the YouTube Influencers event

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00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,600
every summer that they host where all

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00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,800
the cool YouTube people go.

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00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,000
And it looks like a lot of fun.

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I've never been.

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00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,360
I'm looking forward to it.

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00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,840
So maybe this coming summer, we both

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get to go and tackle our YouTube

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00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,100
dreams there.

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Doug, it's been a pleasure.

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We'll talk to you right after the show

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as well as we wrap up.

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Visionaries, if you want to apply to be

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00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:37,340
on the show and share your vision, don't

1476
00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:41,260
hesitate to come on to Vision Pro's

1477
00:43:41,260 --> 00:43:43,980
website, submit your application, and

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00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:44,780
apply.

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00:43:44,780 --> 00:43:46,700
You might be the greatest vision that

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00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:49,260
somebody gets to hear and be inspired by.

1481
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:51,180
And if you have comments for Doug and I

1482
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:53,180
about the show, feel free to drop them

1483
00:43:53,180 --> 00:43:54,700
on the social media platform of your

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00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:55,740
choice, of course.

1485
00:43:55,740 --> 00:43:57,260
If you have questions, don't hesitate to

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ask. We're here for you.

1487
00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:00,940
And we hope you have a fantastic rest of

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00:44:00,940 --> 00:44:01,500
your day.

1489
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:02,380
Thank you, everybody.

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Bye bye.

1491
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:05,340
Thank you for being here today.

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00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:06,780
I'm really happy that you tuned in to

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Vision Pro's live.

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00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:09,740
I'm looking forward to seeing your

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reactions as these episodes continue to

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00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:12,700
move forward.

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This is going to get more and more fun.

1498
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:15,980
We'll have more and more engagement as

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well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the

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show.

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And thank you.