1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 I don't actually remember when it was. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Okay, nice. That's awesome. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Any fun memories of like, who do you like going to, have you seen anybody who played the flute? 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Expert wise, that's like an idol or have any mentors, protégés that come to mind? 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 I'm trying, I'm going to pull up the name. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:32,000 I get to go see Nina Asimakopoulos, I don't actually know how to say her name, I should probably look that up. 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,000 I get to go to her movement class tomorrow. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:44,000 So I have, I got certified at some point as a personal trainer and I like to do yoga and stuff like that. 9 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Alright, welcome in to Vision Pros Live. 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:56,000 I'm Jackson Calame, I'm your show host. We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic visions out there. 11 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Hey, hey, welcome in to Vision Pros Live. I'm your host, Jackson Calame, founder of First Class Business. 12 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:27,000 And I've got Vic Wheeler live with me right now. He is a flutarian and he has, he's an entrepreneur who's a flute extraordinaire and teaches people how to improv and really unlock their authentic self through music and expression. 13 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:36,000 So Vic, thank you so much for being here today. It's been awesome to get to know you, awesome to work with you and I'm super glad we're finally having you on the show. 14 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Hey Jackson, well thanks so much for welcoming me on to the show today. It's going to be really nice to have a little chat with you that we can share with those of our viewers who are tuning in now or later. 15 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:52,000 I'd love to tell you a little bit about what I'm up to with flutarian and what's going on for me now. 16 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Yeah, for sure man. 17 00:01:54,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Jaime is going to be playing a production orchestrator in the background and we've got different music that we'll try to pull up. Hopefully that comes through, we might get Vic to play the flute for a little bit as well on the show. 18 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:16,000 So if you are a musician, this is going to be a treat. If you're a closet musician, this will be even more important and more fun because we're going to talk about how to gain the confidence to improvise. 19 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:28,000 And if you don't know what that is, we're talking about the ability to make up a song as you go or to accompany somebody on a song that you may have never even played in before and find the rhythm, feel the beat. 20 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Vic's got a special talent for helping people do that in an entire program. So as we get ready to dive in, I do want to say, give a shout out to our sponsors Epiphany. 21 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:50,000 Rick Meekins at Epiphany is a great friend of mine, phenomenal business coach, business consultant, great provider of system architects. System architecture rather, he's more of a system architect himself. 22 00:02:50,000 --> 00:03:01,000 And then there's also ablehealth.us. Check out what's being built over there with Dr. Seth Yates. 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So if you're not keeping back to the water project, we hope you feel inspired to give back to somebody or something else today. It will fill your heart. 27 00:03:52,000 --> 00:04:00,000 So with that said, let's dive right in, Vic. In 15 seconds, what's your vision for you? 28 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 For me or for my students? 29 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,000 For you. 30 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:21,000 For me. Well, my vision for me is that I would like to be able to 10, 15, 20, 50 years from now be able to have said, I've done something that made a difference to people, something that improved their lives, helped them create connections and memories that they'll take with them as long as they live. 31 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:28,000 So the way I do that is through music. But I look forward to seeing what other ways that may bloom in my life later on. 32 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:39,000 I love that. And so now to your question there, your students, your clients, those that you serve, what's your vision for those that you're serving? 33 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Well, there's the more concrete vision and there's the more ethereal vision. The concrete vision is I would say if you're a flute student or teacher and I'd like you to be able to approach any improvisational scenario with at least a four out of five confidence level. 34 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:09,000 But on the bigger vision, the more abstract, what I want to bring people is I'd like to revive their passion in music if maybe it's been dampened by the intensely competitive professional world. 35 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:24,000 I'd like to allow or show flute players that they can play music other than just classical music. And in so doing, they can bond better with the people in their lives, their friends, family who might not be listening to classical music. 36 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:36,000 And when we do that, it builds this sense of confidence that I have personally found applies to other areas of life as well. So if I can show someone else that way, I'd be happy to. 37 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Dude, that's awesome. All right. So you alluded to this quite a bit. We're going to revisit it though for anybody who's listening and considering you want to stick around. Who should listen, Vic? 38 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:55,000 You talked about some of that. Why should they listen to you though? And what might we get out of today's show? 39 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Well, I want to acknowledge the fact that some of you who are listening are musicians and some of you aren't. But we all have to improvise. We have the word improvise because it means when something goes unexpected to plan or it doesn't have a plan. 40 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:23,000 And we all have to improvise sometimes. And I think that applying these techniques of learning how to change the rhythm or the mood or the breathing can help us all move through those moments when the unexpected occurs. 41 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:37,000 So if you stick through and listen to this, hopefully, even if you're not a musician, you can catch one little tip or two that you can take to your life that will help you move through those unexpected moments with joy. 42 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Wow, dude, that was profound. So yeah, I hadn't considered as deeply as I just did when you said that how much improvisation takes place in life. And you're either a victim of the circumstance, right? Getting crushed by the wave of anxiety or fear, discomfort. 43 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:13,000 And that can be very painful. Or if you develop the right skills, maybe your body surfing that wave, you know, or maybe you've gained gained access to a boat where those waves no longer affect you whatsoever. 44 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:32,000 Wow, what a great thought. There's so many situations in life where we have to improvise. Let's look at some of those on a daily basis. What are some improvisation scenarios that people may overlook where your methods of breathing and other aspects could help them? 45 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Well, I can tell a funny story about one of the last times I went to the grocery store and it's like, oh, corn is on sale. I can get all these things of corn and they have these flimsy little plastic bags to put it in. I jam a bunch of corn in the plastic bag. 46 00:07:43,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Like, okay, I'm going to carry it to the register and it like burks through the plastic and I'm going, oh no, like I've got like a dozen years of corn and I had to stop and breathe for a moment and say, okay, I'm going to improvise here. These plastic bags suck. Are there some thicker plastic bags somewhere else? 47 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:17,000 So I put the corn back where it was and I took a happy little step over to where I could get some better bags and then put my things back in there. This is just one small scenario of, you know, something that happens in life that's unexpected. 48 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:43,000 But, and I've been listening to a book on my drive to Phoenix about good inside, about parenting our kids and how we're all good inside, both parents and kids, even if we're having a hard time. So hard things happen. And I think having kids is a good example of when we have to improvise a lot because we're dealing with someone else's energy and we can't predict that. 49 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Do you have an example for me of when you've had to improvise recently? 50 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,000 So many. Well, I've got four kids so we're constantly improvising. 51 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:59,000 You know, with every scenario, whether it's who's fighting and why or how do you, how do you justify the sharing of the toy or the not sharing of the toy. 52 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:15,000 You know, whether it's, you know, what's for dinner because somebody turns out to be, you know, have an allergy. You know, it's about how do you think what you're getting at is about how you deal with that moment and that pressure and like you said, you can find a yourself and the confidence 53 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:21,000 sector of a four out of five stars where you're okay, you know what to do. 54 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:31,000 You know, you feel ready to make some adjustments or some changes. You know, you go to the movies with somebody and they don't like any of the movies that you want, and you're like, oh shoot, I better find a new plan. 55 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Most people I think tend to fear panic react. 56 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,000 So let's dive into one principle real quick. 57 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Let's dive into in fact, what powerful lesson, can other visionaries learn from your experience in regards to their improvisation situations and scenarios. 58 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Wow, that's a powerful question with a, I hope, a powerful answer because I know Jackson you deal with visionaries on a daily basis and always improvising like nonstop. 59 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Well, one of the pieces of advice that I've gotten in business that I've observed to be true is that the people who make it are the ones who stick to it. 60 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:28,000 And you've witnessed that I've gone through a few variations in my business plans and you also know that most businesses, statistically speaking, fail, and there's lots of factors for why that happens. 61 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:41,000 But I think it is true that at least for me, persisting with the passion has been most important and being flexible and the application of that passion has been critical. 62 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Yeah, keep going, keep going on that. I'm just validating it. 63 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Right, because you know sometimes you post something and it flops or sometimes you post something and it goes viral and you don't know why but you, you have to keep on persisting to get that information to get that connection and to learn 64 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:18,000 what your voice is. I'm learning how to talk to people who aren't advanced improvisers but they might have an advanced musical vocabulary, and I'm trying to show them how to take that vocabulary and instead of just reading it like a poem out of a book, rearranging those 65 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:27,000 words or assets that you have so that you can find a new path, the path of least resistance preferably. 66 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Yes, yes, yes, yes. And you know what's funny, here's the truth, when I hear somebody share wisdom that is wisdom I've heard over centuries, right, through history, people repeating saying this is important, people who've had success that's stood the test of time, it just resonates in my soul. 67 00:11:47,000 --> 00:12:07,000 And you said something very similar to what a gentleman named Ludwig van Beethoven said that hangs on my wall, and it says, don't only practice your art, but force your way into its secrets for it and knowledge can raise them in to the divine. 68 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Wow, persistence. I need a copy of that. 69 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:23,000 It's from the piano guys, I went to their concert years ago. Yeah, if you don't know who the piano guys are, you gotta get on YouTube and see some of their stuff. 70 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Credible musicians who also validated that experience, that thought about persistence. I'll save that story, this is your show not mine my friend. 71 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Let me add one thing though because even for those of us who aren't musicians, think about what is your vocabulary. 72 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:52,000 What is your, because you can have a conversation with a five year old who only knows 100 words but they can express something passionately to you. 73 00:12:52,000 --> 00:13:09,000 Right. So, consider what is your zone of excellence, what, what do you have, what assets do you have now, and how can you rearrange those in a way that might have been unexpected, and sometimes you need somebody like Jackson or me to say, try it this way, switch 74 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,000 these words around. 75 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:22,000 That's, that is the key to coaching. You're right, it's not that the basketball player doesn't know how to play your sports person it's doing the right thing at the right time in the right way. 76 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:28,000 You know, is all the difference in scoring or defending appropriately so well said dude. 77 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:40,000 So, why, why is this improv stuff important to you, you know like what what led you to to want to teach improv. 78 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,000 You can start with either one I bet you appreciate it before you want to teach it. 79 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:55,000 I was gonna say start with what led you to like, get interested in the idea of improvisation. But then I'd love to know how you got into the idea that, oh man I'm, I want to teach this. 80 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Yeah, well it's, it's, it's been a full circle sort of experience where, when I think about answering that question I think about my history and I think about my big brother Scott who was buying me jazz albums when I was in middle school he's saying oh like, listen to this, listen to this. 81 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:18,000 And so I had family members who said, um, hey you know there's this whole world of jazz you're learning to play flute maybe you can learn a little bit of that. 82 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:29,000 So, it started with just music appreciation earlier on. And then when I was in high school, I got to experience playing in a couple of jazz bands and that just ignited my passion. 83 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:45,000 I was fortunate enough to have a piano in my home growing up and get some piano lessons and go to a church that had live music in it every week, and be close to the guitar player there who is teaching guitar lessons and one day I saw him saw him, who I thought was a guitar 84 00:14:45,000 --> 00:15:00,000 player sit down at the piano and start improvising I watched what his fingers were doing. He, he I think he was playing that song heart and soul you've probably heard it at every party that has a piano, and I watched what his fingers were doing, and I went home and I tried it and clicked. 85 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:15,000 For all you piano players I realized if you, if you can play heart and soul in the left hand you can play any white key on the right hand, pretty much. And that's when I started noticing that some notes lead somewhere and other notes feel more like home. 86 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:34,000 So, then fast forward a couple of years I was able to move out of a small town into Houston, where I went to performing arts high school there there was a composer's club and there was an improvisation club we called ourselves uncertain outcome. 87 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:49,000 And that's where I got exposed to the idea of classical improvisation where we have classical instruments like violins and cellos, and it's not necessarily jazz music. And it's not necessarily even in a specific key signature we were doing everything from stuff that sounds like Mozart to stuff that 88 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,000 sounds like it came from outer space. 89 00:15:51,000 --> 00:16:09,000 So, that continued as I went to college at the University of North Texas they have a very active composition and new music program there so I experienced the educational side of it got to open my mind to lots of different techniques and extended techniques for flute and different 90 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:24,000 sorts of ensembles. We started playing stuff like there will be a paragraph written on the page, and it says this is your music it's all words in English and you're supposed to make up some music from that and some people are so uncomfortable with that when they first step into 91 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,000 class but after a semester of doing that, they feel a little bit more confident. 92 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:45,000 So, but it was about halfway through my college degree that I was realizing, well, gosh it's hard to tell the story without getting personal my dad was getting sick in college, and he died of cancer. 93 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:59,000 And so it started this this downward spiral for me where I was just trying to figure out what am I going to do with my life what's what's going on with my family what what's going on with my grief. And I realized then that maybe one in 1000 of the flute players 94 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:16,000 in the program that I was in, we're getting a position in an orchestra, which is what I thought I was going to get when I graduated from college. So it was this like soul crushing experience is like, no matter how hard you practice, chances are like one in 1000 that you'll get this job. 95 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:30,000 So I, I just moved on. I worked at the Dallas Zoo for a little while I learned to talk on a microphone as an educator there in Austin I worked in a couple of different restaurants, but since I moved to Austin. 96 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:47,000 I started playing music because Austin is known as the live music capital, and I know there's live music happening in other cities too but there's just a vibrancy here that once one person at the restaurant I worked at found out that I played flute and convinced me to come out of my shell. 97 00:17:47,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Next thing I knew it I was playing on our album. Next thing I knew it I was playing at house parties next thing I knew what I was joining this band cosmic butterflies with my, my brother friend cave who's written at least 144 songs and we've, we've barely gotten through 20 of them in our albums. 98 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:23,000 And I was playing at curtains which are. It's like a spiritual event. And I started reconnecting with the fact that music isn't a professional thing. It doesn't have to be music isn't for making money, music is for connecting us. 99 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:39,000 And I was going to these events and having these massive spiritual experiences where I meet when I met cave the first night that we met we played music together. And it's like, haven't you ever had that experience where you meet someone and in just a couple of hours you feel like 100 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,000 you've known them for a lifetime. 101 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,000 Well, yeah. 102 00:18:42,000 --> 00:19:03,000 I feel like music really accelerates that process so I've, I've made so many connections here, as well as when I've traveled, since I've acquired these skills because I can go sit in with musicians, I can go sit in at a song circle or a campfire, and I can connect 103 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:23,000 with people in a way where they're saying thank you so much for for bringing your music, and I'm saying thank you so much for letting me participate and it's this memory making experience and what I would like to give to those flute players who are burnt out is a new paradigm, 104 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:28,000 a new reason to play. 105 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:40,000 I, I think that most of the people I help will, it will not be in a professional sense they're going to take this home and they're going to play with the radio at home they're going to play with their dad or their brother who plays guitar. 106 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:56,000 But some of the people that I help are going to be flute teachers, and they're going to take this home to their middle school and high school and adult students, and they're going to be able to to improve, they're going to be able to reinvigorate their their studio, as well as bring up. 107 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:14,000 So, new appreciation of flute. Let me say what I mean by a new appreciation of flute because most of the people in the professional classical flute world it's all classical music, and you're so tied to what's on the page in front of you that if you've played that 108 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:27,000 a lot of times and you're bored of it, then where are you going to find inspiration somewhere else. A lot of times people if they don't have a money making reason to continue playing. If they're stuck in the classical paradigm. 109 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:42,000 They'll just never pick up their flute because there's no classical music that's inspiring them right now, but I guarantee you all of those people because there's musicians I know they have a musical heart, and they turn on the radio, they turn on their Pandora or their Spotify and some song comes on 110 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:51,000 and they just can't help singing along with. I want to show people how they can use their flute like your voice when you're singing along in the shower or in the car. 111 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,000 That'd be awesome. That's so cool to be able to play the flute in the shower. 112 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:24,000 All right. You've covered so much that just drew so many positive memories and great heart feelings. If you're a musician I know you're feeling that too out there. From thinking about the campfire that I was at where there's a bunch of young men 14 to 16 years old, you know, trying to be cool, and one kid just had an incredible voice, and you know he was singing, and we didn't have him, we didn't have any instruments 113 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:41,000 but his singing was so powerful. There he is singing like a couple of Disney songs, and none of us went home and talked about this and would have admitted it, but we're all just captivated. And like you said, connected, because of his willingness, his confidence to be able to do that. 114 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Once he had established a basic friendship with us, you know, and it can sometimes start out a little awkward in those scenarios and I remember it did it first, you know, very, very brief moment. But by the end of the night we were all like super awesome friends. 115 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:03,000 And I know that wouldn't have happened. I wouldn't remember that of the hundreds of campouts have had without him, and that experience. I won't forget him. 116 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:12,000 You know, but, but you reminded me of so many musical opportunities. I was second in state trumpet in seventh grade. 117 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,000 And I quit. 118 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000 That was the moment I ultimately quit. 119 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,000 I didn't, I had kind of a similar experience that you had in college. 120 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:34,000 I thought about wow if I'm second in state at seventh grade like that means there's eighth graders ninth graders tenth graders and beyond that are all way better than me. And how can I turn this into a career. 121 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:45,000 If I'm not first in nation, you know, out of all levels I had this incredibly unfair inferiority complex that I didn't know how to overcome. 122 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:58,000 And you're doing, you're leading by example, helping people overcome that and, you know, ultimately, but you're not doing so with the mindset that you're just going to coach everybody, and I do appreciate that too. 123 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:12,000 You know that you're a flute teacher, and that you're helping in that and maybe you'll grow and expand beyond that. So, when you talk about flute, you talk about growth, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to soapbox for you for a minute. 124 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:20,000 If you're, if you got kids that you want to learn instruments or you want to learn an instrument, and you want to go to sign up for whatever coach you want to. 125 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000 I'm going to warn you. 126 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:29,000 There's so many coaches teachers that just aren't very good at what they do, and they can really ruin the fun. 127 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:41,000 And if they ruin the fun or the passion behind it because they get too stuck on the book, and what you have to do by the law, then you're going to have a hard time and you're not going to unlock the confidence in fact you're going to become scared of the language 128 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:57,000 and you're going to be like, Oh, that's not how you learn languages. So, finding a coach, finding a teacher, finding somebody to help you play that also understands improv and performance, and that makes the opportunity fun and something that applies to your personal 129 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:11,000 and your community. And that's the huge key to working with somebody and enjoying this type of a passion so big that's what I gained from you it's like man, I would, I would come to you and be like dude, how do I do this type of stuff for the trumpet, you know or how do I do this with the guitar. 130 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:27,000 Yeah, well, I just hear you talk about that I'm reminded of the fact that I would love to help everybody and that we have a limited amount of time so the way I'm foreseeing this going is, I'm going to test out these ideas with the flute teachers in my world who are ready to go right now. 131 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:43,000 And if it's working out good in a year, six months, two years, we can, I can collaborate with trumpet players. I'd like to find a method that works for all instruments, because we all deserve this experience if it's accessible to us. 132 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:57,000 Absolutely. And, and so, from a business model standpoint everybody, the flute players can certainly turn to Vic if you have an instrument though Vic and I have been talking about jam sessions and doing joint recordings and things like that so if you've ever wanted to record something 133 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:03,000 and I know you never hesitate to reach out to Vic and be like, Hey dude, would you be willing to record something with me. 134 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:14,000 And that might lead to you guys producing something on YouTube and who knows how viral that could go. Speaking of, you mentioned improvisation with classical instruments and being ahead of the times with that. 135 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:28,000 Now YouTube's come out, and a lot of great artists have been able to use their instruments and ways to go viral and start to open the mind of people out there who maybe saw, you know, I was trumpet player, brother, the flutes did not exist. 136 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:43,000 Y'all were not on the map, nor was the clarinet, who the heck knew what an elbow was, you know, all these obscure, you know, like my condescending trumpet ways back then you know you're super like, everybody just wants to hear the trumpet the rest of you go, go away. 137 00:25:43,000 --> 00:26:00,000 You know, that was obviously not the case. But now with YouTube, and there's been so much mind opening, and with access to different cultures and things like that. A lot of us are catching like whoa, these instruments aren't just background instruments, these instruments 138 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:13,000 are things that can do many things beyond our wildest dreams. So yeah, tell me about that. What are some of the crazy things that that you've seen done with the flute. 139 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Well, let me describe for you what a sound bath can be like, or a sacred sound circle. 140 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:40,000 You've entered into a church or a dojo. Yeah, yeah. You've entered into a church or a dojo and there's yoga mats laid out on the floor, maybe some blankets with pillows, and in the center you have a didgeridoo player, you've got me on flute. 141 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,000 You've got some single bolts. Didgeridoo, yeah. 142 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:58,000 It's the Australian Aboriginal instrument made out of a, it's a stick hollowed out by, a eucalyptus hollowed out by termites actually right. 143 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:05,000 You've got gongs, you've got singing bowls, you know, it makes a sound just like a wine glass. 144 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:23,000 In this sort of scenario, you recline, and you just let the sounds of the music physically move over you. Didgeridoo is a drone that, and it's a little bit rhythmic and when you're in the room with it you can feel it vibrating your chest, vibrating your body. 145 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:32,000 When I'm playing fluten in that room I can hear it bouncing off the walls and I can hear it kind of mingling, the sounds mingling with the people. 146 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:51,000 And these in a sound bath you're invited to just let your worries go. Don't worry about do you know the song, don't worry about, well, if you're laying back you might worry about, oh did I do the dishes, oh is my car full of gas, oh whatever it is. 147 00:27:51,000 --> 00:28:04,000 And those experiences were showing people that you can, you can have those thoughts and then just let them pass through your mind like wiping them off of a chalkboard. 148 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000 That's awesome. I'm trying to remember what the question was but. 149 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,000 You took us down the right path. 150 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,000 So we're talking about different things you can do with a flute. 151 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:25,000 And, you know, one of the things that came up to in our early conversation was that the song that's on in the background right now is one that was this was your first time playing along with a song or was that a different song we're listening to. 152 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Yeah, this is the one I'll tell you guys a little bit about it. 153 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:49,000 So, Cable Lindsay is the spearheaded the Cosmic Butterflies band, and he wrote the song and we had gotten together it was me, Cabe, David Nuss our drummer, and Shiloh, our bassist, and I had never heard this song before we sit together, we're in a rehearsal. 154 00:28:49,000 --> 00:29:06,000 And I was never able to play along like this recording. And that day became such a memorable moment for me, because not only was it a new meaningful song for me, but David our drummer had just returned from a surfing trip. 155 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:19,000 And as the as the song concludes, I see that he's wiping his face and he says I need, I need to go wash my face and he comes back and he says that song brought tears to my eyes. 156 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:25,000 Last week, I nearly died surfing, I got caught under the water. 157 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,000 I thought this was the end. 158 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:35,000 And he told us about that experience and 159 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:42,000 it's just so sweet to be able to have an experience like this with someone. 160 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:54,000 I'm watching, I'm watching his hands on the drum I'm watching the tears on his eyes. And then when he tells me the story after I'm filled with this gratitude that I know this man that we get to play music together on a regular basis. 161 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:11,000 And every time I listen to this song I reminded of the value of life, and that we won't always have the chance to play a song again. This song is going to be on the album lover songs for cosmic butterflies, but not this recording. 162 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Follow me, check out the next recording. Ask me for this one and listen to them. How did they sound different. 163 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:32,000 Because one of the luxuries that I have as an improviser is that I get to savor those live, those live performances that aren't the same as on the CD or on the radio. 164 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:46,000 If I met Ed Sheeran or Lizzo today or whatever and they said hey let's let's cover this song of mine, I might record it because I want to save that memory, but I guarantee you it's not going to be the same as the what you hear on the radio. 165 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:55,000 So, guys, everybody listening in Vic has this superpower we can jump into any music event at any time. 166 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:03,000 I'm sure he has the, the respect to rank to gain permission and doing so. 167 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:14,000 But to be able to confidently step up on stage, you know or step up at an event and do something like that is something that I think most people would hide under the covers from, you know before like jumping in. 168 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:20,000 So, what are some of the, you know, when it comes to improvisation and having confidence like that Vic. 169 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:37,000 What are some of the secret developments virtues that we can, we can instill within ourselves. What are some practices we can do on a daily or weekly basis in order to make sure that we're unlocking that confidence about ourselves. 170 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:46,000 Yeah, well I almost wish I had mentioned this earlier because if there were only one mantra that our viewers take from this it would be listen twice, speak once. 171 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,000 We have two ears for a reason is what I've been told you know you should listen twice as much as you speak. 172 00:31:52,000 --> 00:32:07,000 And I think this is applicable to our improvisational scenarios outside of music and life because when somebody's having a hard time emotionally. 173 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,000 What should you do you should listen don't tell them what's it what to think or do right. 174 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:33,000 And when there's unknown things happening in an art in our environment. We need to assess the situation, assessing an emergency situation is much like assessing a moment when I first step into a band I'm listening with my ears as big as possible to what's the rhythm what's the drummer doing what's the mood. 175 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,000 And I've learned to play less. 176 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:56,000 I've learned to play when it's appropriate, but it's one of the advanced characteristics of musicianship is is knowing when to play and not when not to play, knowing when to pass the microphone metaphorically speaking if there's not a real microphone. 177 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:11,000 But my, my, my practice of that listening twice and speaking once over and over and over again has allowed me to develop this way of listening, where I can. 178 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:18,000 I can either step in boldly here I am, or I can step in like a feather dropping in, and no one hears it. 179 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:31,000 And I'd like to be able to teach show people how they can gain that finesse, because that's one of the ways we can communicate with the people in our lives in a way that shows caring. 180 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:40,000 You know if you and I are having a conversation and I interrupt you and just like, get really excited about my idea and share it with you, you might remember that and have kind of an icky feeling. 181 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:49,000 But if you share your idea with me, and I reflect it back to you with double the enthusiasm. Wow, that's a memory made right there. 182 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,000 Yeah, but you can't do that unless you're listening carefully. 183 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,000 They say people don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care. 184 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,000 That's my favorite quote. 185 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:12,000 And it's not always easy to abide by but it's one of those things you can practice day in and day out. And one of the great ways to do it I love that quote you just said listen with your ears as big as possible. 186 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,000 And so, don't be ashamed of your big ears if you have them. 187 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000 Cheers big ears. 188 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,000 So, very good. Yeah, cheers to big ears. Great. 189 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:30,000 All right, so, in relation to further developing confidence and authenticity. 190 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:45,000 Have you ever had a time in your life when you felt you couldn't show up as you, you know you weren't able to be as authentic and and show up as your vulnerable real self. 191 00:34:45,000 --> 00:35:05,000 I was telling you a story earlier about this Christmas carols in my family and how there was a time when I do, maybe when I was 18, my family would say play the song with us jingle bells, Silent Night whatever and, and even though I knew I had the technical ability 192 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:21,000 to play the music and I was playing very advanced music in high school. I didn't have the maybe emotional ability to overcome that discomfort. And that's something that I'm going to be talking about a lot, and that's going to this going to breach the flute boundary 193 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:36,000 and that's, that's how to get over our performance anxiety because we're not always in front of a judge. When you're in music college, you've got to play your recital in front of all these flute experts who are going to tell you exactly what you did wrong. 194 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,000 But is that realistic for life? No. 195 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:51,000 No, like that never happens except in flute circles. And so I'd like to help remind people that even in those scenarios, you will survive. 196 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,000 You're not going to die. 197 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:10,000 And so one of the things that I've had to kind of persist through in life is those uncomfortable improvisations at Christmas carols that family when I didn't play it exactly right. But you know what? 198 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,000 The discomfort was all mine. 199 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:19,000 Meemaw and Mamaw, they, they're just so thrilled that there's live music in their home. 200 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:33,000 That, that I was, I spent a few minutes before this thinking about what would I, what do I want to share with, with musicians who are listening to the podcast and that's like, if you've been in the classical professional world, don't be afraid to take your instrument with you 201 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:46,000 outside of that. Take it with you when you're going to see your friends for lunch, take it with you when you're going to go visit your family, take it with you when you're going to parties, because when you're at a party and somebody finds out that you studied music, they're going to want to hear it. 202 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:54,000 And I think the only reason why people don't play a lot of times in those scenarios is because of their own personal discomfort. 203 00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:09,000 And if, if we can learn to get beyond, yeah, if we can get beyond that discomfort, we can, we can give a gift to people. We can bring live music into someplace where there might not have been live music ever. 204 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:20,000 Yeah. You want to play a duet with me? Oh my gosh. I do not have the chops to, to do that. I have the chops to embarrass myself. You can play me three notes. 205 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:31,000 But real quick though, I want to add something to that. Yeah. If you've ever been in that situation where you've played in front of people and they've ridiculed you, right. People have said, oh, I thought it was going to be better than that. 206 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:42,000 I mean, like, oh my gosh, that can cut so deeply. And so yes, most people are going to support you. But I think one of the big keys on that is learning to amplify the right voices in your heart and mind. 207 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:54,000 I'm going to say that again. You have the choice to amplify the voices in your heart and your mind. And do you choose to focus on it doesn't matter. Maybe there's a hundred people who hated your performance. 208 00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:04,000 But is there one person who you made a massive difference for and were you virtuous and the process live for the one ignore the many if that's the case. 209 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:14,000 You know, it's the only way to escape a constant vicious cycle of putting yourself down is to get the negative voices out of your head and learn to start controlling those. 210 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:25,000 One of the ways that I did that as well. I'll drop this link in there is this wonderful Ted talk called How to Not Get Offended. This helped me so much. So I'll embarrass myself. 211 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:35,000 Thank you for sharing that. If we might have the time to do it. Go ahead, Vic. I do want people to be blessed with your sounds on your flute. I'm much better with that thing in the background. 212 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:52,000 I am with this these days. But let's start with you. Go ahead. You lead the way. This is your show. Tell me what to do. Oh, well, I just wanted to say thank you for saying what you just said, because that is one of the skills that we need in life is learning how to listen to the people that matter. 213 00:38:52,000 --> 00:39:08,000 And yes, so those who matter are the ones who edify and uplift you. Any other voice, even if it comes from somebody who loves you, if it comes in the in the constraint of contention or disrespect, let it go. Let it go. I got to talk to myself about that too. Go ahead. 214 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:27,000 Let's see. So Jackson, we can share a quick one or two minute improvisation and I'll give you the easy part. Play for me the most beautiful trumpet note you've played all day. And then you can play the note either below it or right above it. And then you can go back to that. If you do that a couple of times, I'll play something nice with you. 215 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:38,000 All right. And guys, if this isn't true on the audio system, we're not in a music studio or in a podcast studio of our own and on different Internet. So we'll see how this goes. 216 00:39:38,000 --> 00:40:07,000 All right, I'll play an F. You said go up to a G and down to an E. 217 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:16,000 That was fun. Do you want to grab your guitar and play a guitar chord for me? 218 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:36,000 You can give me an A minor and a G major. What's that? You can give me an A minor and a G major. This is one of the chord progressions that I play most in the Kirtan circles. 219 00:40:36,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Man, I could just keep playing that forever. 220 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,000 But I'll let you guys find that in the special links. 221 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:18,000 Oh, man. You're magical. That was awesome. So, yes, you guys, I'm not a super professional guitar player. I'll, you know, here's what I do. 222 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:45,000 No, even if I was a beginner, I did what I just did, just playing over and over on that. I don't know what you call it. Holding the fingers down right there. And then here too. Like, that's all I did. And because Vic's here and he's able to improvise with the process, you know, like we're able to make something sound really cool without having ever played together. We've never once played together before. 223 00:41:45,000 --> 00:42:03,000 And the strumming patterns that I do, that shows that, you know, my improv, you know, like I made specific changes at specific times based on what I was feeling in my heart. And that, the ability to do that on a live broadcast, I can tell you, three years ago, no way. 224 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:24,000 Ten years ago, I would have died before doing this. Like, not a chance. I would have been so terrified because I was listening to the negative voices. I was listening constantly to the ones that were, that wanted to bring me down rather than those who were willing to bring me up. 225 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:34,000 So, make sure that you surround yourself with great people. Make sure you listen to the positive things that come out of people's mouths and put those on repeat in your head. 226 00:42:34,000 --> 00:43:02,000 And also associate with people like Vic, who have the ability to help you, kind of like a personal trainer in an exercise room or workout, to learn new tricks, new tools, new ways to exercise and gain further strength because the abilities that can come and the blessings that can come to your life from unlocking confidence and being your authentic self, one, you just go to bed sleeping well at night and you get the peace Vic's talking about. 227 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:10,000 But two, life becomes a whole lot more fun and adventurous. Vic, anything you'd like to add at the end as we get ready to wrap up? 228 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:24,000 Wow, it's so great to connect with you, play a little bit of music with you. And I appreciate you stepping in there even as maybe quote unquote a beginner, because one of the things that I like to remind people most often is they call it playing music for a reason. It's supposed to be fun. 229 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:41,000 Playing. That's right. So you're man. So you beginners out there. Don't be afraid to have some fun. That's what it's for. Absolutely. Connect with Vic at Fluetarian.online. Also connect to them on Facebook, LinkedIn, wherever you're most comfortable. Reach out to them. 230 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:52,000 Find out about the world of improv and how it can improve your confidence, help you step in your authentic self and vision pros. We will see you on the next episode. Thanks for your time today. 231 00:43:52,000 --> 00:44:09,000 Thanks Jackson. Thanks Vision Pros. Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward. This is going to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well. We'll invite people to participate in the show. And thank you for giving us your time.