So speaking of LSCSW, licensed specialist, clinical social worker, right?
So counselor and licensed specialist.
Is that correct?
Do you also take the title of counselor?
Uh, no, like, uh, I'm a clinical social worker might be the easiest way to say it.
Like, um, some, some States use different, uh, initials like Missouri.
It's just LCSW.
Kansas decided to be extra special and a specialist.
Well, that's helpful.
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All right.
Welcome in division pros live.
You guys just got a sneak peek into the power take.
One of the things that you may notice today is that I'm here without my trusty
sidekick, Jaime, who definitely has family priorities to go to.
So I was like, you know what?
This is a late show.
I'm going to go ahead and run it myself with Mr.
Reggie Jackson.
So Reggie, thank you so much for being here today with me.
I appreciate you, man.
Yeah, appreciate it.
Nice to nice to jump on here with you.
Oh, absolutely.
So Reggie is a is a licensed, specialized clinical social worker who is able to help
entrepreneurs with overcoming some of what I would call the mind trash, some of the
baggage that comes into life and overcome some failures.
We had a great conversation last week about what types of communication tools
entrepreneurs can turn to.
And we're just going to dive in a bit deeper today.
Sure, sure.
So Reggie, thanks again for being here.
And where does your background cross intersections with entrepreneurship?
I would say after I get into doing therapy and counseling and things like that, I started
out as a contractor for a therapist here in Kansas City.
And after working for her for several years, I had the idea of starting my own practice
and went from there with minimal knowledge.
I thought I knew some things, Jackson, and I really didn't know a whole bunch.
So that's kind of where the where the the business aspect of of being a business owner
and a practice owner kind of jumped off at.
That's fair. All right. So what are some of these what are some of these lessons that
you learned?
Man, one is I think the biggest thing that the first big lesson I learned was it's
impossible to get everything done every day as far as operations and making sure you're
checking off all your boxes.
You can do as many to do lists as you want.
There may be some times where you don't get everything done and you have to be able to
sit with that.
Of course, you got to hit it the next day when you get up.
But it's if you're trying to balance family life, whatever, it's going to be a time where
you have to say, OK, this is not I'm OK with this.
This part not being finished.
I like that truth, man.
And, you know, some people would call it not finishing.
Some people would call it failure.
Some people would call it not hitting your goals, you know, not not even not procrastinating,
putting things off.
There's a lot of labels that we can we can add to the pie.
So, you know, we were going to talk about what what gets revealed when we as people
fail and how to bounce back on that.
I say we dive into that first.
So when when we fail, what would you say?
What's your secret here, Reggie?
What is it that we reveal about ourselves?
I think it reveals what the grit we have about ourselves.
I think it also reveals I think one thing about failure, especially if anybody out there
is like me and you're not going to just after the first failure, stop going after what you
desire is that you you learn like different ways to implement your system, figuring out
things you need to look at from a different perspective.
You may realize failure sometimes means I need to outsource this part of my business
or I need to spend a little bit more to make sure I have things running the way I want
them to.
And I think part of failures, a big thing I learned was if you are doing things you
envision, or at least for me, it was like you're not going to be able to do it on your
own.
So part of failure is learning to trust folks.
If you want to continue to expand, expand what you want to be doing, you know, and you
got to trust your accountant, you got to trust your bookkeeper, you got to trust your virtual
assistant, all those things and figure out how to believe in those folks and train those
folks so that you can have the best opportunities to be successful.
I am really glad you hit on all that.
Those are things that I honestly I take for granted.
I mean, I've been an entrepreneur since I was 21.
That's 15 years now.
And I remember now that you mentioned it, I remember how scared I was to give somebody
access to my LinkedIn account for the first time.
This is going to destroy me if they do.
Like, no.
Like, now I can laugh about it, but you know, the worst case scenarios were very difficult
to imagine when I was brand new at business and, you know, trying to be ready for that.
What I'm going to do real quick, I'm going to play our intro for us one more time and
we're going to come right back in on that subject of trust and delegation and how to
make that happen.
All right.
Welcome in to Vision Pros Live with Jackson Callum.
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It gets it out there further.
I got a special guest named Reggie Jackson.
He is a licensed clinical social worker and helps people with their relationships, helps
people bounce back from their failures.
We had a great time talking last week.
I was like, you know what?
He's got a number of unique perspectives that I know will be super helpful for the entrepreneurs
who are listening in.
So without further ado, I'm going to bring him back on and we're going to pick up where
we were just talking.
So Reggie, thanks for being here again today.
And what are you most excited to talk about on our show today?
I think one thing is entrepreneurs put an incredible amount of stress on themselves.
And I don't know if anybody else has had this experience but some sleepless nights.
So managing anxiety and just maintaining some form of wellness with your mental health as
you pursue your dreams is an important concept for folks to experience.
I've worked with a couple of several business owners over the years and the amount of stress
they put on themselves to perform, as you understand, Jackson, is incredibly high.
And so there's a price to pay for that if we're not careful and we're not practicing
taking care of ourselves.
You mentioned it.
You said there's a price to pay.
If we're not there, I mean, there's a price to pay either way.
If you're coming into the entrepreneurship world and you think it's all fun games and
candy, that's not any entrepreneurship.
I know.
But can it be managed better?
Yes.
And you talked about it.
So in 30 seconds, let's look at the bright, shiny horizon of that, Reggie Jackson.
What is your vision for your clients?
I'd like them to just be moving towards some positive steps in their lives.
And it ended up on almost a daily basis.
I always tell my clients coming to therapy is like working out.
If you're just working out for this hour per week, you're not going to see very many gains.
And so part of the work with your wellness and mental health is doing things consistently
as far as maybe doing a journal prompt or practicing some gratitudes or affirmations.
So that's in the vision of the daily.
And then what would you say like, what's the outcome on the other side that, you know,
let's, I don't know, if it's six months, six weeks, six years down the road, what are you
hoping these entrepreneurs are in a position to feel and do?
Hopefully have a little more space in their brains to create, figuring out different ways
to manage your systems.
You know, as we, if you are familiar with meditation and things like that, the relaxation
of your central nervous system and learning how to breathe and learning how to quiet your
mind for a little bit that allows space for creativity and ideas to come in, you know,
and if we got all these different fires, we feel like we got to put out all the time or
stressing over getting, you know, meeting bank or payroll and things like that.
That level of stress detracts from our ability to create, which I think a lot of entrepreneurs,
that's one of our gifts is our ability to create, think outside the box or in my mind,
what box, but how to manage those things in the healthiest way possible.
And you know, the ripple effect of stress on us means projecting that onto our kids
and our family members and friendships and straining those things.
And so being able to know how to say, all right, you know, whatever time I'm getting
off today or stopping for today, I'm taking my entrepreneur hat off and I'm putting my
boyfriend hat on or husband hat on or dad hat and kind of letting that other piece sit
for at least some time.
And if that means after a bit kids get to sleep and you go work for a couple more hours,
that's cool too, but having some focused time with people who care about you and love you
and support you most importantly is an important to this whole process.
Yeah, you know a lot of beneficial truths about balance in there.
And one of the things we were talking about just a minute ago was what gets revealed when
we fail and how to bounce back.
And you alluded to basically self-awareness.
That's what I caught out of it was when you're going through a process of failure, you have
an opportunity to become self-aware how you got there.
What drove that?
So what are some of the key tools to help that stressed entrepreneur who's got tons
of anxiety, they're worried about all the irons that are in the fire.
How do you get them to take a step back?
You mentioned journaling for one.
What are some other ways to get, let's say somebody's not even ready for that.
How do you get them to wake up and see where they need to slow down?
Or where they can get their next victories if that's maybe it's not to slow down.
It may be part of that Jackson is probably re-identifying or reassessing what victories
look like.
Part of that is a lot of times we want to just see the goal come to fruition.
At least in my experience, there's lots of micro goals that are accomplished.
Let me throw this out there.
If you have a perfectionist mindset, that's a losing game.
A lot of us are everything has to be perfect and right.
You may have some opportunities to do things where it feels like you did it perfectly,
but those instances are going to be few and far between.
Making micro goals for yourself and looking at how that's leading to your major goal,
I think is an important skill.
That's redefining what success looks like.
Success may be like I met these quarterly goals, but some people are only looking at
their yearly goal.
Maybe two out of the four quarters you met your goal, those should be celebrated as successes.
Then I need to figure out how to make four out of four quarters next year or what have
you.
I've met half my goals, so my year is trash.
That's a thing called all or nothing thinking.
It's a thought distortion that all of us may struggle with.
I always tell people all or nothing thinking is like that kid in middle school that through
a fit if they got a 97 on their test, it's like if they didn't get 100%, they failed.
That's an unhealthy mindset to look at, to have, especially being entrepreneurs.
It's a long-term game, my friend.
Sorting through being able to pull out positive things you did and not making it siloing things
instead of just saying, I only got 50% of my goals for the year.
Yes.
Let's take a look at one of these quotes that you just talked about.
Entrepreneurs will benefit from reassessing what victory looks like.
You talked about defining success.
One of my clients from a year and a half ago, they had a business partner.
They were targeting the real estate industry.
Through some assessments, we learned that she knew nothing about the real estate industry.
She didn't know their key performance indicators.
She didn't know how to train them.
She didn't know what it was they wanted in life.
Was it a bad goal?
No, it wasn't.
Would it have been a bad victory to achieve?
No.
Is there anything unethical about it?
No, not from a goal perspective.
It was super misaligned with what she needed to be doing to find success and to feel purposeful
and to maximize her talents.
That process of redefining what success looks like, there are many of you out there who
have set goals based on your providers and what your providers want, or maybe based on
what one or two people on your team want versus what's best for everybody.
I think that's super wise.
Thank you for that, Reggie.
Let's take a look at your vision for your life, for your practice.
What's your vision?
The big elevator version in 15 seconds, and then we'll dive into the details.
The big vision is, and this may sound cliche, but really supporting people in building healthier
lifestyles.
There's so many dynamics that need to be fleshed out when we're doing that and supporting
folks.
I think if we could have a ripple effect of if I can support clients and, of course, making
sure I'm healthy as well, that reverberates to their networks and ecosystems too.
It may sound a little idealistic, but from the work I've done over the years, it is challenging
for people out here.
It's tough right now.
We're just going through a pandemic, and being able to, as I'm supporting people, I'm also
hoping to build this vision of what I have, goals for myself, my kids and my family and
what I want to see for them.
I think as I've gotten older, I realize I've spent a lot of years chasing money.
I don't want my kids to have that mindset, like these ideas on materialistic items and
not supporting them and just being able to say, what do you want to do with your life
that adds value to your life, not material things to your life?
I don't know if that makes sense, but it's about doing what you love and not caring about
as much about the impact of our financial system and things like that.
I don't want them to be financially illiterate by any means, but what would happen if we
focus on just doing what we love and not doing something because we've been told we've got
to exist in a system where everything is transactional and we've got to pay for this and we've got
to have cool cars and a nice house and all these cool things, cool clothes.
Being able to exist in life and just work on taking care of yourself in the best way
you can.
Things will come in naturally if you do that.
Letting a person bring you things instead of you going out and trying to snatch them
all the time.
Absolutely.
I noticed an array of services at Satori from batters intervention programs, anger management,
and emotional regulation to counseling service such as anxiety, anxiety, trauma, family counseling,
et cetera.
Do you also do family counseling?
Yes.
That's what I had thought.
I just wanted to make sure to be careful with the license titles.
I know some industries can be a stickler about that, but from anger management to batters
interventions program to the family counseling, overcoming anxiety and all of that, which
one do you get the most passionate about?
I have a history of working with athletes.
I really enjoy that because I grew up being an athlete.
Families are big.
There's so many dynamics that go along with them, but probably my biggest thing right
now is working with couples.
I have my own challenges and relationships over the years and supporting.
We're both divorced, so I get that.
Yeah.
I support men as well because we deserve it, we are exploring patriarchy and things like
that in this society.
We don't have a lot of opportunities to be vulnerable.
We've been taught there's words for men who are vulnerable and things like that.
Working men and being the best version of themselves in relationships and also in their
business ventures and things like that as well is probably where I've done the most
work at.
There's so many blocks that I work with men.
I would tell you, Jackson, probably I would feel very comfortable saying 90% of the men
that I work with, if they do get emotional in a therapy session, they apologize.
It's like, why are you apologizing for being hurt and experiencing it?
We've been told you can't do that.
I know women who do that too, but you know what I mean?
I can only imagine the magnification that exists with the men you're working with.
I would say a lot of my clients and prospects, as we get to know each other, we also have
tearful conversations that come up.
I tend to make pretty good space for that, but it is definitely more rare that a male
finds himself willing to be that vulnerable and express what's truly going on underneath
the hood.
Yeah, and so many of us have not been taught healthy ways to express ourselves in relationships
and anger is the only acceptable emotion we can experience.
Sorting through with men how to build emotional intelligence and things like that is fun.
I call myself a dude's dude.
I'm a therapist, but I also understand, I always tell people I didn't know I was going
to be a therapist until I was a therapist.
I've done a lot of dumb shit in my day.
I just happen to not get in too much trouble and figured it out as I matured.
I'm coming to folks-
I was going to say that too.
I'm going to tell people while you've been divorced, and somebody might give us a hard
time about that.
Imagine that everybody's got a car and everybody's going perfectly straight.
Hold on, I'm sorry.
What's up?
Are you still there?
Yes.
You got me?
Imagine everybody's driving straight.
Nobody's turning the wheel left or right.
You turn the wheel right and you end up crashing the car.
You're going to have some insight into telling people, like, yo, don't do that.
Don't make that turn that way.
There's wisdom from those who are obedient exactly and do things perfectly through life.
I guess there's somebody like that out there beyond Jesus.
Then there's those of us who've made mistakes.
We got some wisdom packed in us too.
I'm much more inclined to listen to you and say, what did you learn during that hard time,
and to continue with that metaphor.
I'm sorry.
There it is.
I'm not going to judge you for crashing a car either because I've crashed my car.
I'm not going to give you a hard time about that.
That is something I want people to understand too.
I think one of my superpowers is not making people feel judged in the therapeutic setting.
That allows for freedom to share.
He's muting us.
Reggie, you've got somebody in the background giving you a little bit of a hard time.
You want to take care of that?
One second.
I'll let you do that for a minute.
We will just take a little break while you get that sorted out.
I was going to talk about this thing called the power wheel.
I'm going to see if I can find it online because Reggie and I were talking about the power
wheel of emotions.
It's something that he's working on improving right now.
It might be called the power wheel of control.
We were talking about the need for improvement in relation to the system.
I'm going to pull Reggie back on in just a minute after I pull the wheel up.
Take a little bit of a deep dive on it.
We're just going to go to fancy Google images here and pull it up.
What it talks about is physical.
It talks about violence.
In relation to violence, there's different things that people try to utilize in order
to ultimately gain power and exert control over somebody, but they're toxic behaviors
that shouldn't be utilized.
In my opinion, in order to unlearn bad habits, you also have to learn healthy habits of communication
that you can use to overcome those too.
Let me bring Reggie back up here.
Reggie, you good?
Yeah.
All right.
Perfect.
I dove into the power wheel a little bit on my own.
We were talking about the new model that's needed for upgrading that.
Do you want to talk about that a little bit?
Yeah.
The power and control wheel, it was started by the Duluth model in the early 80s.
I've been trained in the Duluth model.
These basically are the eight different things.
I interviewed hundreds of women, and those were the eight categories that those women
share that were common strategies for not just abuse, but practicing power and control
in relationships.
I've worked in that industry of working with folks with perpetrators of abuse for about
15 years.
We talked about before, Jackson, things like there was no social media before in the 80s,
or there was no cell phones in the 80s.
Trying to do some pivots on how we go about supporting folks in managing abuse in relationships
is something that I've been innovating here over the last few years as I learned that
there's different ways that abuse happens in relationships.
It's not just that... I would say the Duluth model is more set for someone who is basically
maybe has a personality disorder or something, or just gets off on hurting people or their
partner.
There are things such as situational couples violence and things like that, where someone
may have mental health issues, substance abuse issues.
Maybe they just are poor communicators and struggle to manage their emotions.
I'm not saying I want to be super clear.
I'm not saying those are reasons for people to be abusive, because for every one of those
guys or people, there's many more that have those struggles and don't abuse their partners.
So I'm not making excuses for those things at all.
But I am saying that there's many different perspectives to how people become abusive
or practice abuse in relationships.
Sure.
I can speak a little more freely to that because I don't have the licensing problem, and you
can agree to disagree with it as well, ready to course.
But I will say that what I see with entrepreneurs too is they practice a lot of abusive behaviors
with their employees, with their team members, with their family members, not to the degree
of criminal offense, but to the degree that they're hurting their relationships.
Somebody doesn't know how to recognize what it is that they're doing, then it becomes
again, very hard to know, well, how do I change a habit if I don't know I have the habit?
And how do I change it if I don't know what to change it to?
Do you know of any resources, books or anything we can recommend to people?
I would honestly, I will have to follow up with you on that.
There's some trainings and things that people could go to, but I think exploring, if you
are the leader of an organization, are you operating from an oppressive position?
Do you have the mindset of, I'm in charge, so everyone underneath me has to do what I
tell them to do?
And I think anyone who's innovative in their thinking about running an organization, there's
going to be people on your team that have skills that you don't have.
And if you're not slowing down to hear their ideas, or at least exploring them, then you
have to, that's just, I think that's poor foresight into being the best leader you can
be.
You know what, I'll give it even further level up example of that.
So you're right.
You got to look at how do you operate as a leader?
Obviously, I'm going to say it's pretty obvious for our audience.
If you are controlling people, you're not going to be leading for very long.
And you're not going to be leading a very strong army either because only people who
are willing to be supporting it are willing to be controlled in that nature.
But let's say you take it to that next level and you learn to make space for people.
What I see often happen with visionaries, entrepreneurs, when it comes to their meetings,
they don't know how to run an effective meeting that includes the minds of those who are contributing.
So here's what that looks like.
How do you run a meeting where you then create space for people to contribute?
Number one, you have to have your agenda outlined.
Okay.
If you've got an agenda outlined and if you provide that agenda, I'm doing it myself while
I talk, just creature of habit, then that gives people a decent insight into what the
structure of the meeting is going to be about.
However, if you don't make space for those who are arriving to that call to say, hey,
Reggie, what do you want to contribute to the meeting agenda today?
Then you're doing what's called steamrolling.
You're making your agenda more important than the other human being in the process.
If you do that to people over and over and over where you make your agenda the one that
matters, that is an abusive form of communication that leaves you being the only person who's
contributing to the growth of your vision.
What are your thoughts on that?
I like that idea.
I'm of the school of thought of more think tanks and coming up with ideas together.
Of course, there's some foundational stuff that you as a person, as a leader has to maintain,
but when you're trying to innovate and come up with systems and being the most effective
you can, if you're not listening to what the people you work with say, not only listening,
valuing their opinion so that you can expand your knowledge.
I think I've been doing a lot of studying on just differences in the different generation.
We've got, of course, our baby boomers, but the Gen Zers, the Gen Xers, and the millennials,
I'm old enough to know I don't think like those guys.
It makes me feel old as hell too.
Oh man, I'm that guy now.
But I can say that maybe I don't agree with all the ways they operate, but their ability
to create and be efficient, I believe is second to none.
We may frame that as being lazy.
We got to chat GPT and things like that and all this AI stuff.
I'm starting using that and maybe us Gen Xers are saying, oh, you're being lazy and not
really digging in and doing the creative work.
Meanwhile, they got tons of content put out there.
We're like, yeah, but it's not creative, but yeah, they got their next two months of content
planned out and we're still grinding through it.
Being willing to incorporate people and I think as a leader, part of our job is to be
able to recognize people's skill sets and maybe even morph them into different.
We may have a title of a position that they're in, but it's like, oh, this person's really
good at this, even better than what we hired them for.
So let's maybe co-create a new position for them or figure out a way to utilize their
skills the best you can.
It's helpful to realize and you don't need to be an entrepreneur with access to Gallup
studies and super disc assessments and Yadi Myers-Briggs and all that.
That's over your head.
Don't worry about it.
All of that teaches you to listen and create space for people to communicate.
They don't always know, but if you can remain flexible in talking to them and help them
realize like, okay, I think from what I've seen, Gen Xers, Gen Z, they don't like to
be boxed in very much.
And so if you're trying to put them into one position and title, especially in a smaller
company, they're bright.
They know that you need more than that.
They know that you're going to ask more than that too.
So you might as well expand the relationship a bit and help them see that you appreciate
their adept nature to recognize like, oh, there's other things here I could be doing
for your brand.
Just invite me.
I think they want that invitation in most cases, but you don't have to be super rigid
about the experience as a small business owner.
I think the rise of entrepreneurs and affiliate marketing and all these things we see business
turning into, I think it is that is the one of the final products of those Gen Zers and
millennials not wanting to work for Gen Xers who grew up in that oppressor type boss role,
if that makes sense.
Talk to me about that.
What's that mean?
So let's rewind a little bit.
Gen Xers took a job, a lot of them, and they had a boss, maybe an oppressive boss.
Tell me a little bit about that.
Yeah, or maybe those Gen Xers worked their way up from they were climbing the ladder.
Yeah.
Mentored by maybe a baby boomer even or was under the leadership of a baby boomer.
We learned those skills from them.
The Gen Xers now leading the company and then using those old school tools with these millennials
and Gen Xers coming in and then the Gen Xers are like, I don't want to work for someone
who's going to hinder my creativity and tell me I got to be here from eight to five when
I can work from home and do more productive work.
I want to prioritize my family, the millennials and Gen Zers, I want to prioritize my family
and not my work.
So I don't want to be in this brick and mortar for 40 hours a week.
As we continue to maybe need to let go of some of those ideas, I think the pandemic
really pushed forward the idea of working from home and things like that.
But being able to create their own way of creating wealth, which there's multiple examples
of those millennials and Gen Zers doing that now.
And I think people are like, yeah, I'm not going to go to work at a bank for the next
30 years and live my life like that.
And so-
Yeah, I watched Tim Ferriss write the four hour work week.
Yeah, yeah.
And so I think that is-
I'm like, I'm onto that new rich.
Right.
And so I think young folks are saying that's not going to be the life I lead.
And I have a nephew that goes to University of Alabama and he'll be graduating soon.
But I was kind of joking with my brother.
I was like, you know, these Gen Zers, man, they're graduating from college and coming
back to live with their parents and just saving their money so they can travel.
And he was like, I don't know if that's going to happen here.
And I'm like, you better get ready for it.
Yeah.
And you know, I mean, this could be a whole nother episode.
Well, I think a lot of people, just real quick though on that, you know, I'm going to throw
some stones at the older generation a little bit, right?
Who invented the microwave?
You know, like there's a reason why we all started to catch on to, oh, I can have stuff
instantly.
Yes.
Right.
And there's a generation of, well, I didn't get time off ever.
You know, I had to work my butt off and I had to do this.
And we're like, well, great.
Don't do this.
Don't do that.
Right.
You know, so it's a balancing that has come.
And you know, for the more mature generation, I think it's an important realization that,
you know, and I'm on the older side of the millennial generation with all siblings that
are Gen Xers.
We take a step back to look at what we've created.
Right.
We take a step back to realize that, OK, they're actually listening to what we warn them about,
you know, and trying to find their own balance.
Maybe we can find a healthy way to harmonize in the process that works out great for everybody.
Yeah, I'm you know, I say we're I'm a Gen Xer and we're we're hybrids.
We hold a special place in our society, in my opinion, because we're the last generation
to know what the old world looked like and had to transition.
I think I was a junior in high school when the Internet came out.
So I remember all growing up, I remember, you know, the floor model TV and when they
came out with this thing called a microwave and when they came out with this thing called
a VHS.
And I've gotten a transition to see where we're at now.
And I think being able to if we no one else has that place in history, but it's Gen X.
And having, you know, I call it the ward cleaver type dad where dad went to work, mom stayed
home, took care of the kids and, you know, the dad's idea of being a great dad was providing
shelter, food and clothing and not a whole bunch of emotional nurturing or anything like
that.
Right.
And so I'm we're that last generation.
Now we're more like me.
I'm like, I want my son to be emotionally intelligent and not practice patriarchy and
relationships and things like that.
And so I do believe we hold a special place in our society and how incredible.
What an important responsibility.
You know, I'll call you out on it, man.
We need you.
We need the insight from you next because, yeah, again, I didn't I grew up with, you
know, at least the Atari and the Super Nintendo have already established.
But you guys got to experience life before the electronics really took off.
Commodore 64.
You remember that?
Which one?
Commodore 64.
It was like it was the first like, dude, that's pre me.
That's what I'm saying.
That's your spot.
I'm going to put all the responsibility on you.
It is your job to help us.
So yeah, good, man.
Well, thank you so much for the insight.
I'm going to wrap up for the sake of time.
Reggie, it's been a pleasure and honor to have you.
And of course, anybody who wants to connect with Reggie Reggie is linked in a great place
to reach out to you.
I'm at Satori Counseling on Facebook and Instagram.
Excellent.
All right.
You're getting you're getting out there in the social media.
Awesome, man.
Well, everybody have a fantastic day.
Vision pros.
Work on your relationships.
You know, put the relationships in your life first.
And I would say especially your relationship with yourself.
Make sure you're balancing.
Make sure that you are paying attention.
If you've got anxiety, if you don't have a friend to talk to, give Reggie a call.
Give me a call.
You know, make sure that you're building people around you who can help sustain you in your
efforts and make sure that you are, as again, Reggie's pointed out, redefining what victories
look like so you can celebrate as you go on this long journey of sustainable revenue growth.
And we will see you on the other side.
Everybody take care.
Awesome.
See you.
All right, Reggie.
That was awesome.
Thank you so much for being on the show.
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